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thizit123 You Tube channel
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I have found a lot to be said about the 33rd degree Masons at this online Ministry.
[link to www.cuttingedge.org]
This has really helped me understand how the Church of Christ gets deceived by this occult .
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I am a African American member of the freemsaons. NO i am not a prince hall mason. I belong to the blue lodge and as a matter of fact a few of the past Worshipful Master of our lodge were African Americans. I Love the ignorance, even from the brothers claiming to be Masons. There was once a racial divide in the organization, but that was years ago and things have changed.
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Watch jayz deception on youtube ppl...a lot of questions about freemasonry cud b answered there
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I have found a lot to be said about the 33rd degree Masons at this online Ministry.
[link to www.cuttingedge.org]
This has really helped me understand how the Church of Christ gets deceived by this occult .
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By this 'Occult'?
Do you mean 'Cult'?

The Masons are not a cult. You wouldn't allow a child to play with matches and in the same way Masons, for better or worse, are the holders of Ancient wisdom and will release it when we, as a society, have grown a bit more intelligent and tolorent.
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It's funny how everyone who knows everything about Freemasonry aren't Freemasons. Prince Hall Freemasons can receive the 33rd Degree. In many states, Post Civil Rights movement, Black and White masons sit in the same Lodge halls. We don't believe all Gods are equal. We have our own personal beliefs but respect everyones right to believe inwhatever God they want, just as our Constitution allows. Believe as you wish. Continue this thread as long as you wish.

It is some great entertainment to see such ignorance.

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well now, lets just upgrade 'others' ignorance, se vu plae,

back in a moment with some Masonic oaths and pledges.

here is a preview, the lower ranks of Masons are just puppets, (insecure) men trying to find importance in a 'club' mentality.

wait till I post their 'initiation' criteria...it'll be a (blast) er, shocking!
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Why would a Pastor Condone, or Defend Freemasonry?




At the present time, the issue of Freemasonry is being considered in a growing number of churches throughout the United States. Many people who have never been involved in Freemasonry know very little about it. Since we were at one time members of the Masonic Lodge, we are able to shed light on the situation and help with an understanding of the issues.

In almost all cases, when churches consider the issue of Freemasonry, a strong stand against the institution is the result. In some churches, those in positions of authority have determined that considering the Masonic issue is not appropriate. Why? Before we address the specific issues with Freemasonry, it is helpful to have a Scriptural background of the underlying issues.

Paul, in his farewell address to the elders at Ephesus warned them to be on guard because savage wolves would attach the flock:

Therefore, I declare to you today that I am innocent of the blood of all men. For I have not hesitated to proclaim to you the whole will of God. Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which he bought with his own blood. I know that after I leave, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock. Even from your own number men will arise and distort the truth in order to draw away disciples after them. So be on your guard! Remember that for three years I never stopped warning each of you night and day with tears.

Acts 20:26-31

Paul knew that the church would not only be attacked, but also infiltrated. He wrote to Timothy, urging him to not simply preach the Gospel, but to always be prepared to correct errors and to rebuke those who embraced them. His advice for the pastor was as follows:

Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 2 Timothy 4:2-5

Jude knew, even in the first century, the church had been infiltrated. Secrecy was a tactic used by godless men. Jude sounded the alarm and urged believers to earnestly contend for the faith.

Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints. For certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 3-4

Paul warned the Colossians to be on guard, that they might not be taken captive by those who have abandoned the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ.

Colossians 2:8

In these days, the words of Paul, Jude and other apostles who warned believers to stand firm, reverberate loudly. The church is under attach from without, from within, and sometimes even from the pulpit. Many congregations have been infiltrated and compromised. The most cohesive group of infiltrators the church has ever seen are the Freemasons. They work behind the scenes to subvert the Gospel, and in fact, meet in secret to teach salvation on the basis of another savior. We know this to be the fact, because we were members of the organization. We were Freemasons.

Masons are sworn to secrecy, not once, but three times, before they participate in the ritual in which Hiram Abiff willingly dies, is buried and then raised from the grave. At the conclusion of the ritual, those in lodge are told to imitate Hiram Abiff so that they can get into heaven. When the fact that all of the men who participate in the ritual do not claim to be Christians is considered, this is seen not only to be a mockery of the death, the burial and the resurrection of our Lord and Savior, but a clear statement that faith in Jesus Christ is not required to get into heaven. We are deeply grieved that we have participated in this falsehood and were taken captive by such heresy. God, in His mercy saw fit to lead us out of Freemasonry and following our repentance, He has cleansed us from unrighteousness. (1 John 1:8-9) He has released us from the ungodly oaths we took in the lodge. (Lev. 5) We are not the only ones to leave the lodge; others men continue to renounce Freemasonry. Some of them are bold enough to speak truth about the lodge, while others are so spiritually wounded from the experience that they remain dysfunctional for some time. A few former Masons continue to defend the lodge, due to fear and spiritual bondage.

Many of those who are currently involved in the heresy of Freemasonry claim to be Christians. A significant number became Freemasons before they became church members. Some of those men have infiltrated the church and by claiming that Freemasonry is not a religion, have taken many captive by a hollow and deceptive philosophy which depends on the teachings of a corrupt world system, rather than on faith in Jesus Christ.

Since Freemasonry teaches salvation on the basis of imitating Hiram Abiff, rather than faith in Jesus Christ, it seems absurd that a pastor would condone Freemasonry, let alone defend it, or actually embrace it. Yet that is what has happened in these last days in more congregations than we can count. Apostasy is widespread today.

Why would a pastor condone or defend Freemasonry?
If we assume that a pastor understands the Gospel of Jesus Christ, there are only two possibilities. Either he is ignorant of the facts concerning Freemasonry, or he knows the facts and has decided that the cost of opposing Freemasonry is too high.

It is possible that the pastor has not investigated the matter for himself. He may have asked one or more Masons in the congregation a few questions about the lodge and accepted the answers he was given. It is not uncommon for Masons to hold positions such as Sunday School Teacher, Elder, or Deacon within many congregations. Often pastors have developed trust in such men. However, if the pastor believes he will get honest answers to significant questions from a practicing Mason, it is painfully obvious to us that he knows precious little about Freemasonry.

Masons are highly motivated not to divulge the truth about Freemasonry for two major reasons. First, they have taken oaths to keep such information confidential. The first of the oaths, taken while a man is blindfolded, with a rope around his neck contains the following words:

I, (name) of my own free will and accord, in the presence of Almighty God and this Worshipful Lodge of Free and Accepted Masons, . . . solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, that I will always hele, forever conceal, and never reveal any of the secret arts, parts, or points of the hidden mysteries of Freemasonry, which I have received, am about to receive, or may be hereafter instructed in, to any person unless it shall be to a worthy Brother Entered Apprentice, or within the body of a just and duly constituted Lodge. . . . Furthermore: I do promise and swear that I will not write, indite, print, paint, stamp, stain, hue, cut, carve, mark or engrave the same upon anything movable or immovable, whereby or whereon the least word, syllable, letter, or character may become legible or intelligible to myself or another, whereby the secrets of Freemasonry may be unlawfully obtained through my unworthiness. To all of which I do solemnly and sincerely promise and swear, without any hesitation, mental reservation, or secret evasion of mind in me whatsoever; binding myself under no less a penalty than that of having my throat cut across, my tongue torn out, and with my body buried in the sands of the sea at low-water mark, where the tide ebbs and flows twice in twenty-four hours, should I ever knowingly or willfully violate this, my solemn Obligation of an Entered Apprentice. So help me God and make me steadfast to keep and perform the same.

Masons do not take these oaths, which they prefer to call "obligations," lightly.

The second major reason why Masons do not reveal the teachings of Freemasonry to outsiders, especially those in the church, is that Freemasonry would not be tolerated in the church if the facts were widely known. Lodge members simply cannot afford to tell a Godly pastor who is asking questions about Freemasonry the truth, unless they are repenting. They must posture themselves as sincere Christians who are supporters of God’s work. One convincing ploy which has been utilized to favorably influence pastors, is the practice of some of the appendant bodies of Free-masonry to send pastors on expense paid tours of the Holy Land. Such an investment can pay significant dividends for the lodge.

The secrecy which surrounds the organization enables Masons to use doubt as a defense when dealing with laymen and pastors who know only a little about the Masonic Lodge and yet are suspicious of the character of Freemasonry. When a non-Mason makes a claim that the teaching in Masonic ritual is contrary to the Gospel, a Mason may respond with a statement similar to the following: "You have never been a Mason, how could you possibly understand the meaning of ritual? There is far more to Masonic ritual than simply the words. You have to see the gestures, the facial expressions and consider the context to understand it." If someone asks for an explanation, a Mason may dissuade the conversation by saying something like, "I am simply not able to reveal that to you. We take an obligation to do our good works in secret, etc."

The truth of the matter is that explanations for the major portions of Masonic ritual are written in plain English and issued to Masons at the direction of the Grand Lodges. If a non-Mason were to obtain one of these Grand Lodge documents, and had a working grasp of the English language, he could understand the explanations in sufficient detail to accurately evaluate the character of Free- masonry. However, most non-Masons do not have access to Grand Lodge documents.

If there is opposition to Freemasonry from someone in the congregation, Masons must posture themselves as Christians who are being persecuted for being involved in an organization which does good works. "Freemasonry has always had enemies," they claim. They may add, "Usually, they are people who were rejected for membership, or former Masons who were expelled for misconduct of some type." It can be difficult for a Pastor to immediately know who is telling the truth in such matters. Yet, if he wants to know the truth, authentic Masonic documents will establish the facts beyond question. If ignorance is the issue, we can help you obtain materials which you may share with your pastor so that he will be well informed. If ignorance (a lack of specific knowledge) really is the issue, a Godly pastor will have no reason not to want to know the truth. Sometimes a pastor will proclaim that he does not know much about Freemasonry and resists learning more, when in reality he has heard enough that he has to be classified in the second category.

There are several factors which could motivate a pastor who falls into the second category to condone or defend Freemasonry, even though he knows that Freemasonry has a false plan of salvation. We will first consider the pastor who is not a Mason, yet knows the facts.

The pastor may have overestimated the strength of Masonic influence within the congregation and he may not feel that Christians in the congregation will support a stand for truth in the midst of the clamor which may well result when the truth concerning Freemasonry is clearly proclaimed. Of course, he may correctly understand the level of Masonic influence. In some Masonically infiltrated congregations most, or all, of the elders and deacons are Masons. Many times Masons attempt to recruit pastors. Satan wants the pastor to believe that he cannot possibly win a Masonic battle. Satan will use fear in an attempt to cause the pastor to fall into the roll of a teacher who will say only what itching ears want to hear. The pastor may not realize that the apparent might of the opposition is not that important when you are on God’s team. One plus God is a majority. If there are a significant number of men in the congregation who are meeting in secret to teach salvation on the basis of imitating Hiram Abiff, there is a significant number of Masonic church members who are in line to receive condemnation on judgment day. The larger the number of Masons, the more imperative it is for the pastor to speak the whole counsel of God.

Unity within the church is vital
Just before Jesus was arrested, he prayed for unity among believers.

"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one: I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. John 17:20-23

Some pastors are concerned that dealing with the Masonic issue will cause division and destroy the unity of the church. Yet, nothing could be further from the truth. When Masons are present, the church is already divided. Masons meet in secret to teach salvation on the basis of imitating Hiram Abiff, while Christians in the congregation openly share the Gospel of Jesus Christ. How can there be unity in the church if some secretly raise up another savior? It simply is not possible. Unity in a Masonically infiltrated church is only an illusion. The only way unity has a chance is when there is total separation between church and lodge. Those Masons who claim to be Christians should be given a choice: "The church, or the lodge, which will it be?" If they choose the lodge, the sooner they leave the church, the better. Christians can never reach unity with those who teach salvation on the basis of another savior. The fact that they do so only in secret makes no difference. Any belief that addressing the Masonic issue will destroy unity can only be attributed to ignorance, spiritual immaturity or demonic bondage.

Sometimes, a pastor will recognize that Freemasonry is anti-Christ in nature, yet not oppose it due to spiritual bondage which is brought to bare through family involvement in Freemasonry. Pastors who have fathers, uncles, brothers or others they love, who are involved in Freemasonry are reluctant to take a position which would condemn their own family members as well. Yet the fact of the matter is that remaining silent will not alter the eternal consequences for those family members who are already gone on, and it does not well serve family members who are yet alive. Freemasonry is a family curse. If members of the family have been involved in Freemasony, the younger generation is much more likely to become Masons. If the pastor says nothing, some in his own family will likely conclude that since he is not opposing Freemasonry, it must be a good thing. Holding back when dealing with the Masonic issue, because it will be painful for family members, is equivalent to not spreading the Gospel simply because it condemns all family members who have not accepted Jesus. Teaching salvation on the basis of imitating Hiram Abiff constitutes rejection of Jesus Christ. Will Jesus see it differently?

Another factor which can motivate compromise is ambition. Many pastors have ambition to build a large church. They have been seduced into believing that they can better serve God by getting as many souls as possible to join the church, concentrating simply on evangelism, rather than defense of the Gospel, or discipleship training. The legacy of such leadership is immature Christians and others who believe they are Christians, yet have only an intellectual knowledge of the Gospel. Many within such congregations have never been challenged to be on the alert for false doctrine and are not equipped to defend the faith when the need arises. Some fall victim to the snare of Freemasonry and other cults.

What would the pastor gain for building such an organization? Power, a substantial salary, an elevated position within the community or the denomination, the respect and admiration of other pastors and any number of other things which accrue to leaders of large organizations. From the outside, these churches appear to be thriving. But listen to the sermons carefully in congregations in which you find contented Masons and you will realize that the pastor has compromised in many areas. They are careful not to speak against those issues which will prick a man’s conscience. They often will not stress those teachings from Scripture which directly take issue with the practice of Freemasonry, such as being yoked with unbelievers, the fact that Jesus is the ONLY way to salvation, the fact that salvation is by grace and not of works, the fact that all pagan religions worship demons rather than the God of the Bible, as well as the requirement of repentance from sin as a condition for salvation. The presence of contented Masons in a congregation is an indictment of the type of sermons they have been hearing from the pulpit. Pastors who will serve in such a capacity are motivated by nickels and noses, rather than a desire to win souls and lead men into a close relationship with Jesus Christ. They are corporate executives who are concerned with statistics.

While some pastors have large congregations and enjoy a healthy salary, others are willing to settle for much less. They fear the Masons within the congregation more than they fear God. They care more for their own salary which provides for the physical well being of their family, than they care for the souls of men. In these situations, just a few Masons can effectively control the church.

We are very concerned about pastors who know the truth, yet condone Freemasonry, because souls are on the line. It was our souls, and it is those of our Masonic fathers, uncles and brothers, which such pastors consciously decide to allow to go to hell without a word of warning from their pulpits. We know that Freemasonry is a significant issue, because as Masons we were directly involved in the teaching of a false gospel. Galatians 1:8-9 makes it clear that the penalty for teaching a false gospel is condemnation.

When Masons are present in a congregation, their souls are not the only ones at risk. If the Masons in the congregation choose to begin a dialog with your son, or grandson, who will warn them of the dangers? Some pastors feel as long as Masons are not recruiting, they will do no harm. If Masons truly do not recruit, how can we explain the significant number of Masons in the church? A simple question by a young boy can plant the seed which turns into a snare in later years. He might ask his Sunday School teacher about his ring, or tie tack. Often, Masons begin the dialog with potential members. The approach used is often similar to the following: "Have you ever considered becoming a Mason? I believe you might really enjoy it." If a favorable conversation ensues, they might say something like, "I can’t ask you to join. No one has been ever asked to join the lodge. But, if you want to get in, I would be wiling to help you." Who will watch over the souls of your son and grandson if there is no genuine spiritual leadership to oppose those who would ensnare them? Who will counsel your daughter not to marry into a Masonic family? Freemasonry has appendent orders which are specifically designed for women and children. How many daughters and grandchildren will become ensnared because a pastor who understands the dangers chooses not to speak the whole counsel of God?

Not only are we concerned for the souls of Masons and those they would ensnare, but we are concerned for these pastors as well. They will most certainly stand before God with blood on their hands. Scripture makes it clear:

But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes and takes the life of one of them, that man will be taken away because of his sin, but I will hold the watchman accountable for his blood.’

Ezekiel 33:6

It is much easier to keep a man from joining the lodge than it is to get him out once he has been spiritually ensnared. Pastors who knowingly tolerate Masons to be members of the congregation without issuing a clear warning from the pulpit simply have a job, rather than a calling. John explained that those who welcome them in will share in their evil deeds:

Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

2 John 9-11

In John, Chapter 10, Jesus speaks of pastors who care for the flock. The good shepherd will lay down his life for the flock when it comes under attack. Jesus explained that some who appear to be shepherds run when wolves appear. They are not shepherds, but rather hirelings. In these days, we see another type of pastor standing in pulpits across the country. They claim to be shepherds who defend the flock, yet they have actually joined the Masonic Lodge. They do not run away when the wolf comes. They run with the wolves, offering a defense of Freemasonry and leading others into the lodge. Masons will vigorously defend a Masonic Pastor and run interference for him, so that he does not have to do all of the "dirty work." If a church member who is a Mason begins to

question the compatibility of Freemasonry and Christianity, as a result of the work of the Holy Spirit, other Masons and the pastor attempt to assure him that there is no problem with the lodge. "If there were a problem with Freemasonry, our pastor would not be a lodge member," they might say. As we have been taught to be in submission to our spirtual leaders, many are reluctant to belive that there could actually something wrong with the lodge, if the pastor does not see it. Some of us were confused for a time by a Masonic pastor, a Masonic elder, or other church member who was not following Jesus. However, in time, the Holy Spirit won out.

Of course, when Masons are in church leadership, they must oppose any layman in the congregation who would speak the truth concerning Freemasonry; he would be a threat to Masonic control of the congregation. Masonic pastors cannot be classified as shepherds, and they really cannot be classified as hirelings. They are wolves in shepherds clothing. Jesus does not want you to be confused, injured, or led astray by them.

A Masonic Sermon
To understand the impossibility of a legitimate Christian pastor standing in agreement with Masonic teaching, consider what would happen if a Masonic pastor were to deliver a sermon from the pulpit which contained the same teachings as heard in the Master Mason Degree. There would be a lecture and a ritual drama in the sermon. The pastor could deliver the lecture, but would need assistance -- a few men from the lodge -- for the ritual drama portion of his sermon. The setting for the drama is the building of Solomon’s Temple. One of his assistants would portray Hiram Abiff, the Grand Master at the temple project. Hiram would be accosted three times. Each time, he would be given the choice of revealing the secrets of a Master Mason, or of losing his life. Each time he is accosted, he would refuse saying, "My life, but not the secrets." The first two times he is accosted, he would only be wounded by his assailant. However, the third time, he would willingly die rather than reveal the secrets of a Master Mason.

In the ritual portion of the sermon, after Hiram Abiff is killed, the three men who accosted him would realize that they had not received the secret which they sought and must dispose of the body, so that their deed might not be known. The body of Hiram Abiff would be buried on a hill. The next day, when Hiram is nowhere to be found, King Solomon, possibly played by the pastor, would send out a search party to look for him. After the fresh grave is found, Hiram would be raised be from the grave.

What you would have just seen is a ritual in which Hiram Abiff willingly died, was buried and then raised from the grave.

At the end of his sermon, the pastor would conclude with the following words, summarizing the teaching of the ritual drama with these words from the Master Mason Degree ritual:

Then, finally my brethren, let us imitate our Grand Master, Hiram Abiff, in his virtuous conduct, his unfeigned piety to God, and his inflexible fidelity to his trust; that, like him, we may welcome the grim tyrant, Death, and receive him as a kind messenger sent by our Supreme Grand Master, to translate us from this imperfect to that all-perfect, glorious, and celestial Lodge above, where the Supreme Architect of the Universe presides.

Were you to ponder the words from the pastor’s sermon, you would realize that he had instructed you to imitate Hiram Abiff so that you could get into heaven. It would be a false Gospel, one based on imitation of Hiram Abiff, rather than faith in Jesus Christ.

If a pastor were to deliver such a sermon, would you believe that he was a sincere Christian who is depending on his faith in Jesus Christ for salvation? Would you believe that he was a spiritual leader in Christ’s church, who watches over souls as a man who must give account?

(See Hebrews 13:17)

The reason for Masonic secrecy is obvious. If it were not a secret, how would the Masonic pastor and other Masons be able to deceive the flock?

If the ritual sermon would be a false Gospel when delivered from a pulpit, how can it not be a false Gospel when the same content is taught in the lodge? If it is not acceptable for a pastor to preach a sermon which recommends imitating Hiram Abiff as a means of gaining access to heaven in the church, why is it acceptable for church members to stand in agreement when it is taught in lodge? Does Jesus see a difference?

Masonic Pastors should be confronted by laymen, or other pastors. They should be warned that they are participating in the teaching of a false Gospel. Do not expect a Masonic pastor to see the truth, or understand the problem unless you have bathed the issue in prayer. They have been confronted with the truth each and every time they have watched the third degree ritual. Satan has blinded them. Possibly, they were never Christians to begin with.

Godly Pastors

Fortunately, all pastors are not hirelings or wolves. We praise God for shepherds who are willing to stand firm and speak against Freemasonry from the pulpit, particularly when they face substantial opposition. Often such pastors appear to suffer a great loss. Many are voted out of the pulpit following such a stand, at a meeting which has been stacked by Masons who are members of the congregation. Often, such meetings are characterized by the sudden appearance of members who have not been in the church for months, or even years. They respond to the telephone calls of their Masonic brethren quite faithfully and outnumber Christian members of the congregation, who are many times caught off guard by such swift action. Laymen usually underestimate the need to support a Godly pastor when he takes a stand against heresy. Laymen underestimate the significance of business meetings, whether they are scheduled, or "called." Sincere Christians often assume that the response to a sermon against heresy will be repentance, rather than defiance. They assume that other people are just as sincere in their relationship with Jesus Christ, as they are. While we ought not to think more highly of ourselves than we should, we should not underestimate the grip which Satan can have on others. He looks for those he can devour. Most do not understand the spiritual nature of Freemasonry. Not many in the church have seen Masons in action, because in the past decades few pastors have made a decision to stand against Freemasonry.

Pastors who consider the issue of Freemasonry must realize that God is responsible for their safety and for taking care of their physical needs, as well as the needs of their families. If they can trust Him for their eternal salvation, they can trust Him now as they deliver a non-compromising message to Masons and others who would subvert the Gospel. If they don’t believe that they can trust Him now, do they really believe that they can trust Him later? Pastors who decide to stand realize that the sacrifices which they may be required to make are nothing compared with having nails driven into the hands and feet. In the short term, at least, there will be some trauma from a stand against Freemasonry. The trauma may last an hour, a week, or much longer. Sometimes, the congregation is blessed far beyond their understanding in the short term, as repentance and revival results. Long term, even those pastors who seem to have paid the highest price for a firm stand against Freemasonry have been richly blessed. We know of none who have been put to death, or have even gone hungry.

As men who have left the Masonic Lodge, we understand sacrifice and understand the cost of bearing the cross. It was hard for many of us to leave the lodge. Some of us have been estranged from our Masonic families. We have lost social affiliations which we assumed were friendships. Often, it turned out that our Masonic friends were not really friends at all, but rather simply Masons who stuck with us as long as we too were Masons. We still care for them, even though they reject us - simply because we have unconditionally rejected Free-masonry. After being in the lodge for twenty years or more, some of us had no friends who were not affiliated with Freemasonry. Some of us were devastated, yet we knew we had no choice but to leave the lodge. Some of us have lost jobs, some have lost businesses, some have been separated from brothers, or elderly fathers who remain in the lodge. However, when we consider what Jesus suffered through, we cannot fathom standing before Him and telling Him that it would have been too painful to leave the lodge; it would have cost too much.

Compared to the price that Jesus paid for our souls, our sacrifices are nothing. We have been richly blessed as a result of leaving Freemasonry. Spiritual bondage has been broken as a result of confession and repentance and our relationship with Jesus has been strengthened beyond what we could have ever imagined while we were Masons.

If you are a member of a congregation which accepts Masons for membership, we can help you obtain materials which will allow you to know the truth about Free-masonry, so that you might urge repentance in the lives of the lodge members, or a pastor who is condoning Freemasonry. Video tapes of reenactments of Masonic ritual are available as well as video tape of the testimonies of Ex-Masons who have chosen Jesus over the lodge. Grand Lodge documents which explain the meanings of ritual and numerous other items which will assist in exposing the heresy of Freemasonry are available from the network of ministries with which we cooperate. Members of Ex-Masons for Jesus are available for testimonies in congregations throughout the United States. No pastor has to stand alone when he defends the Gospel against the heresy of Freemasonry. Church members have a right to hear the whole counsel of God from their pulpits. There is a job description for pastors. It was included in Paul’s letter to Timothy. They are to preach the Word and be prepared in season and out of season, to correct, rebuke and encourage, with great patience and careful instruction. Anything less should not be tolerated, or supported. Souls are on the line.
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A Prodigal Son

I was saved during a revival at our church when I was 13. Growing up I went to church and was trying to do right by the Lord. But when I joined the Army and left home to see the world, well, old Satan went with me.

For the next 15 years Satan kept me in bars, strip joints, other women's beds and out of the church. In 1994, I felt something was missing in my life. At about that time I met a guy who was a Mason. My daddy, and my grandpa were both Mason's but I hadn't thought much about it until I met the man. To make a long story short he helped me to join the lodge. I was made a Master Mason on the first of September, 1994. I thought I had found what I had been missing. But it was still the devil up to his old tricks.

In January, 1996 I did a tour in Japan and met a man who would help change my life. Howard was a good friend and dedicated Christian. For the next two years he tried to get me to church and I tried to get him to the lodge. Shortly after the new year (1997), I finally went to church with him. The next Sunday, after much heartache and a lot of soul searching, I finally found what I was really looking for.....Jesus.

I rededicated my life to the Lord and the next day another friend, came up to me and passed me a Chick tract on Freemasonry. Well after reading that and spending the next two weeks in research, the Lord opened my eyes and showed me what I had really been doing. Needless to say I promptly demitted from my lodge, and got rid of all my Masonic stuff (regretfully now, for the research value). The next Sunday I made a clean public break with the lodge at church. Incidentally, the Holy Spirit also helped me to quit smoking. I haven't looked back since.

I felt that I was alone, until I found Ex-Masons for Jesus. I hope to be able to have long and fruitful friendships. If the Lord leads me, I hope to have a ministry here in the south. Your assistance and fellowship will greatly help.

In Christ,

Chuck H.
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How can you quickly know
that the foundational teachings
of Freemasonry are false?


Simply consider the facts.
Freemasonry requires its members to believe in the existence of a Supreme Being and also to believe that there is only One God. Freemasonry refers to its god as the Great Architect of the Universe. It teaches that all men, of all the various religions, worship the one God, simply using a variety of different names. It is on that basis that Masons may be Hindus, Moslems, Buddhists, or men who profess to follow Jesus. Freemasonry requires a belief in the existence of A Supreme Being, but does not define that being.

The Holy Bible however, reveals that the truth is somewhat different. The Bible does state that there is only one God:

I am the LORD, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God. (Isaiah 45:5)

However, it states that those who practice pagan religions worship idols and demons, rather than the God of the Bible. Psalms 96:5 reveals that the gods of the many nations which surrounded Israel were idols. Those peoples did not worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

For all the gods of the nations are idols: but the LORD made the heavens.

Paul warned the Christians at Corinth not to participate in pagan worship. He revealed that pagans worship demons rather than God.

Do I mean then that a sacrifice offered to an idol is anything, or that an idol is anything? No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. (1 Corinthians 10:19-20)

The Bible clearly reveals in Luke 4:33 that demons are spirits.

In the synagogue there was a man possessed by a demon, an evil spirit.

Hinduism, Buddhism, Wicca, and other modern day pagan religions, worship demons, rather than the God of the Bible. We can know this because anyone who rejects Jesus Christ, rejects God.

Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. (2 John 9)

With these facts clearly documented from the Holy Bible, it is easy to know that the foundational teaching of Freemasonry, namely that all men worship God, is not true. Since Freemasonry does not follow in the teachings of Christ, the god of Freemasonry cannot be the God of the Bible.

Since God is a Spirit, a question you might ask of a Worshipful Master, or other Mason, is the following:

Is Vishnu, the god which Hindus worship, the same spirit which you refer to as the Great Architect of the Universe?

It is a simple question. The answer is either "Yes", or "No."

If the Mason answers yes, then you will know that he does not know the difference between the God of the Bible and a demon. He does not know God. How can he be a Christian?

If he says no, then obviously you have demonstrated to him that all men do not worship the same God simply using a variety of different names. When Freemasonry accepts the god of a Hindu as a Supreme Being, it declares that demons are Supreme Beings. How can he be sure that the spirit he worships in lodge as the G.A.O.T.U. is not a demon?

Does Freemasonry lift up Jesus Christ as the only way to salvation as is documented in John 14:6? Clearly, Freemasonry does not follow in the teachings of Christ. Therefore, Freemasons do not have God. (2 John 9)

Freemasonry is a pagan religion. Paul warned that it was not possible for a man to participate in paganism and also be a Christian. He wrote:

You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord's table and the table of demons. (1 Corinthians 10:21)

In John 4:24, Jesus told us:

"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

If a man has bought into the Masonic lie that all men worship the same god, simply using a variety of different names, then he cannot be worshiping in truth. Therefore, he cannot be worshiping God when he goes into the lodge.
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Suppose that a group of pagans got together and decided that they wanted to form a men’s club and each man independently decided that he wanted to start every meeting with a prayer to his demon god. They could all agree to this, but they would have a rough time selecting a name which all could embrace. Hindus would want to worship Vishnu, and of course, the men of other pagan religions would want to worship their demon god by the name they commonly use. They could not agree to use the name for the demon god of any one pagan religion without favoring one religion over another. Additionally, if they choose to use an obviously pagan name for the object of worship, they will have a hard time getting even immature Christians to join the club and join in worship with them. (And that is exactly what the demons would want.) If they choose a neutral name, such as the Sovereign Grand Creator of the Universe, and open all of their prayers in his name, all of the pagans can be satisfied. But are they now worshipping the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of the Bible? No, they are still worshipping demons.

Now consider the situation if a Christian were to walk into a Hindu temple and take part in the worship service, assuming that he was worshipping Jesus, by joining in corporate prayer to Vishnu. Would the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob be willing to accept worship in this manner? The answer is found in Paul's first letter to the church at Corinth. Paul wrote:

". . . the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons too; you cannot have a part in both the Lord’s table and the table of demons. Are we trying to arouse the Lord’s jealousy? Are we stronger than he?" 1 Corinthians 10:20-22

Now consider the situation if the Hindus agree to change the name which they use from Vishnu to Sovereign Grand Creator of the Universe. Even if they are able to agree to change the name that they use to identify their demon, elements of pagan worship rituals, such as circumambulation, remain. With a substitute name for the demon, would it then be acceptable for a Christian to participate in the Hindu ceremony of worship? What if the Hindus decide that when a man who calls himself a Christian officiates at the services, they will allow him to close prayers to Vishnu in Jesus' name. Would that make it "Christian?" If over time, the number of men who claimed to be Christians increased and the number of Hindus decreased, until finally there were no more men who professed to be Hindu taking part in the Hindu rituals of worship, would it then be "Christian?"

How is this different from worship in the pagan men’s club? Of course, the men’s club would claim that their club is not a religion. Is the worship of demons through prayer made any less idolatrous by the claim that it is not a religion?

These situations accurately model the worship which takes place in Masonic Lodges today. Freemasonry teaches that there is one God and men of all religions worship that one God using a variety of different names. In a Masonic Lodge, all join in corporate prayer to the Great Architect of the Universe, (GAOTU). Christopher Haffner wrote Workman Unashamed, The Testimony of a Christian Freemason. Haffner correctly espoused Masonic teaching when he wrote:

"Now imagine me standing in lodge with my head bowed in prayer between Brother Mohammed Bokhary and Brother Arjun Melwani. To neither of them is the Great Architect of the Universe perceived as the Holy Trinity. To Brother Bokhary He has been revealed as Allah; to Brother Melwani He is probably perceived as Vishnu. Since I believe that there is only one God, I am confronted with three possibilities:

They are praying to the devil whilst I am praying to God;

They are praying to nothing, as their gods do not exist;

They are praying to the same God as I, yet their understanding of His nature is partly incomplete (as indeed is mine--1 Cor 13:12)

It is without hesitation that I accept the third possibility."

(Workman Unashamed, p39)

It is truly a shame that Haffner did not read and understand chapter 10 of 1st Corinthians. If he had, he would have understood that pagans worship demons, not God. Islam denies that Jesus Christ is the Unique Son of God. Rather, it declares that Jesus was only a prophet. Islamic doctrine declares that Allah, the god of Islam, does not have a son. Since the God of the Bible has a Son and Allah, the God of Islam, does not have a Son, Allah cannot be the God of the Bible. Furthermore, if Haffner had read and understood the book of 2nd John he would have understood that those who reject Jesus Christ and do not follow in His teachings do not have God. John wrote:

Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds (2 John 9-11)

With an understanding of this passage, it is possible to know that those who organized the paganism known as Freemasonry were not Christians. They were not continuing in the teaching of the Scriptures. Would Christians substitute the name GAOTU for God and do away with the name of Jesus so that pagans could join with them in prayer without being offended? No, Christians would have shared Jesus with the pagans so that they too might have salvation through faith in Him.

It is true that there is one God. However, all men, specifically pagans, do not worship that one God. The worshippers of Baal learned the truth on Mt. Carmel. Baal is not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Judgment was swift on Mt. Carmel. (See 1 Kings 18:20-40.) The god of Freemasonry, the GAOTU, is also not the God of the Bible. Will God judge Masons who do not repent and continue to worship the GAOTU any differently than he judged the worshippers of Baal?

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)

What will Jesus tell the Mason who claims to be a Christian?

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Matthew 7:21-23

By joining in pagan worship ceremonies, WE sinned against God. When we realized that the GAOTU was not the God of the Bible, we claimed the promise found in John's first letter:

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin. If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

If you are a Christian who has become ensnared in Freemasonry, we urge you to confess your involvement in Freemasonry as sin and renounce, as we have.

Jesus wants to forgive you, but his forgiveness is dependant on your confession and repentance.
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New Life
John and Mary were so happy on that beautiful spring morning. The small peach and nectarine trees that had been planted during a particularly harsh winter were beginning to blossom, signaling that this would be the year of their "first fruits". The mulberry tree in the backyard was showing signs of new life. There was an emergence of small buds that would soon become beautiful, dark-green leaves, spreading like a large canopy over the picnic table that sat beneath the tree. John and Mary had often sat at that table, making plans for the future, especially after hearing the good news from their family doctor last September. "Mr. Smith, the queasiness your wife has been experiencing in the mornings is quite natural, because, you see, your wife is carrying a new life inside her. The family you have dreamed of is about to become a reality. Mrs. Smith is going to deliver your first-born in about 7 ½ months. Congratulations."

So, on that beautiful spring morning, signs of new life were everywhere, and now, Mary was feeling the first pangs that told them it was time to call Dr. Jones and tell him they were on their way to the hospital.

Not long after being taken into the delivery room, the labor pains were soon forgotten as Mary gave birth to a beautiful baby boy who would be named after his very proud father. After pacing up and down in the waiting room for what seemed like an eternity, the anxious father was summoned to the hospital room where his wife lay in bed resting, with a small bundle of joy by her side. As "dad" walked into the room, Mary said, "Come meet your new son. Here he is – ‘Little Johnny’."

Something is wrong
Months pass by, which normally would have been joyous times, but something was wrong. Dr. Jones told them that "Little Johnny’s" body was not developing normally, and there were other signs indicating that serious medical problems were forthcoming. Unfortunately, time served to prove that Dr. Jones’ diagnoses were all too accurate.

The pastor offers hope
But the pastor where John & Mary attend church offered them hope. They have always enjoyed their pastor’s reassuring messages of love, yet he has never spoken of John 14:6. There is no recollection of ever hearing him speak on Ephesians 2:8-9, either. His sermons were almost always about being a good person; about doing good things for others. Their pastor is a member of the local Masonic lodge. He proudly wears a Masonic ring, and boasts of the "fraternity’s" many good works. He often speaks highly of the accomplishments of the organization, particularly in the area of medicine – burn care units and crippled children’s hospitals. And now, he tells them there is hope; that his Masonic brothers can help them – can help "Little Johnny". "If it is at all possible", he reassures them, "’Little Johnny’ will be able to walk."

"Little Johnny" is taken to a Shriners’ crippled children’s facility. His major problem is that he lives in an afflicted body that cannot move from one place to another under its own power. But his various physical problems are soon dealt with, and the surgeries and treatments his body undergoes are successful in making the necessary corrections so that physically, he leaves the hospital with a beautifully functioning body that has been transformed by the "good works" performed on it. After months of therapy, not only can Johnny walk; Johnny can run!

He grows into a mature adult, feeling gratitude for the good works performed at that Shriners’ medical facility. He feels indebted, but not to God. It was God who guided the hands of the surgeons on that particular day many years ago - perhaps because of the prayers of Christian family members and their many prayer partners. Or perhaps the surgeon who operated on him that morning was a Christian employee of the hospital who had spent time in earnest prayer to God, prior to entering the operating room. But the indebtedness Johnny feels is to the Shriners.

Little Johnny’s feeling of gratefulness, directed to the Shriners is understandable. Besides, "Little Johnny" grew up in a church where the message was always about doing good things for one another – never hearing that it is through God that all things are possible. :

"And Jesus looking upon them, saith, ‘With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible’."

Mark 10:27

Johnny wants to be a Shriner
Now that Johnny is of "lawful age", he wants to become a part of the wonderful things the Shriners do for others. He wants to repay them by becoming a part of their efforts. So he becomes a Mason, trusting not only in the works done on his formerly frail body many years ago, but now, he is also trusting in the beautiful sounding things they are teaching him about life, and about his future life. They not only healed his body, but they are now showing him a way of life that is presented as being the formula for attaining to "that Celestial Lodge above." He trusted in their good works many years ago and his body was healed. Now, he feels that he can trust in their plan of salvation. After all, doesn’t the Apron Lecture teach that all Masons shall stand before the Judge Supreme of the Great White Throne; and that upon review of the deeds done while here in the body, they shall all be ushered into heaven? Isn’t his Masonic pastor’s message almost always on being a good person and doing good things for others, just like members of the lodge do? Doesn’t God want us to love our neighbors, just like members of the lodge do? Surely, if the plan of salvation offered by the lodge was flawed, Johnny could depend upon his pastor to point this out to the ritualists, couldn’t he?

Little Johnny has grown up now, and John has progressed through Masonry, moving on through life with the hope of a glorious immortality. He has hope that there is indeed a "Celestial Lodge above", where he will one day be received, because of "..the deeds done while here in the body." He hasn’t stopped with Blue Lodge degrees. He wants more. He wants to be a Shriner, so he goes into the Scottish Rite. Johnny goes through the additional 29 degrees in a fast and furious weekend, never being required to memorize anything, and only seeing half of the degrees he is given credit for.

The fact that the 19th degree confers the priesthood of Jesus Christ upon the candidate – the Melchizedek priesthood held by Jesus Christ alone - goes right over his head. After all, that was one of the "communicated" degrees that was only briefly spoken of, and not enacted. Johnny doesn’t give the teachings of the Scottish Rite a lot of consideration: "There is nothing wrong with it, or else my pastor wouldn’t be a Scottish Rite Mason." At last comes the day when he is allowed to become a Shriner. To do so, he is required to swear a blood oath to Allah. Johnny’s pastor explains to him, "It’s okay, Allah is just another name for God. If there was something wrong with the Mystic Shrine, I wouldn’t have remained a member all these years." (Yet the truth of the matter is that Moslems – those who proclaim Allah as "the god of our fathers" - deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; they claim He is nothing more than a prophet. Allah has no son. Since Allah has no son, he cannot be the God of the Bible.)

And so, life goes on – for a while, anyway. John has matured into a very successful businessman. Sometimes he is swamped with all the work that fellow Masons send his way, but he always makes sure he has time to actively participate in the various fund raising activities of the Shriners. After all, he owes them more than he could ever repay.

The End of Life
But then comes the day when his lifeless remains are to be laid to rest beneath the clods of the valley, when from his nerveless grasp, drop forever the "working tools of life", but where is "Little Johnny" now?

The funeral service is religious sounding enough, and it certainly is well attended. More than fifty men are present, some wearing white aprons, others arrayed in the regalia of various appendant bodies, and of course, the men of the red fez – the Shriners. Johnny was one of their own.

During the funeral service, there is a great deal of talk about the promise of eternal life, and even mention of a resurrection to eternal life, but there is no reference to Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior. There are several prayers recited, but none of them ever mention His name. Some passages of the Bible are quoted, including some things that Jesus Himself had said, but always, His name is omitted. There are no Christian symbols, such as a cross, or a fish emblem, anywhere within sight. The only religious symbol present is the Crescent Moon symbol of the Islamic religion. The Crescent Moon is prominently displayed on the red fezzes of the Shriners. Johnny’s fez with the Crescent Moon is displayed at the head of his casket. Allah is in attendance – but is there room for Jesus?

"Little Johnny" had been a church member for years. As a teen, he had professed faith in Jesus. But there is nothing visible at his funeral service which witnesses of a vital faith in Jesus Christ. Is it the blood of the Lamb that now covers him because of a faith in Jesus Christ, or has that now been replaced by the lambskin apron which has been placed in his casket? The lambskin apron is the badge of a Mason. It is to represent a pure and blameless life, which Freemasonry claims is so essentially necessary to obtaining entrance into the Celestial Lodge above. Surely, Johnny’s good deeds outweigh the bad, don’t they? The lecture he heard when he was given his lambskin apron many years ago clearly stated that he would receive an eternal reward for those good works. Did Johnny trust in those salvific teachings of good works as the basis for his hope of the eternal life?

The Craft had taught Johnny to put his hope in the teachings of the lodge, but aren’t the teachings instilled within him in the lodge room at odds with what is taught in the Written Word of God? John 14:6 states:

"Jesus spoke unto them saying, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by Me’."

This is one of several passages his Masonic pastor never spoke on – one of several passages that point to Jesus Christ as being the only way to the Father. Ephesians 2:8-9 states:

"For by grace we are saved, through faith, and not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast’."

This is yet another passage that Johnny’s Masonic pastor never spoke of in any of his sermons. Since Jesus is truly unique, why did the Scottish Rite confer the Melchizedek priesthood which is held by Jesus Christ alone, upon men who were not even required to confess Him as Lord and Savior? Were they implying that Scottish Rite Masons may stand before God with personal righteousness, just as Jesus Christ can? And, if Allah is really just another name for God, why doesn’t he have a son?

Deuteronomy 32:16-17 states:

"They made Him jealous with strange gods; with abominations they provoked Him to anger. They sacrificed to demons who were not God, to gods whom they have not known, new gods who came lately, whom your fathers did not dread."

Paul warned that it was impossible for a man to embrace Jesus Christ and remain ensnared in paganism. We are told in 1 Corinthians 10:20-21:

"No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons."

The Total Package
The philanthropies of the Lodge healed his body many years ago, but now, by his acceptance of their false teachings, "Little Johnny" will live in eternity, separated from God. This is the "total package" the Craft has to offer.

What are their "good works"? What benefit do they bring?

Is this a true story? Yes, every element of it was true in the lives of one or more men we have known. This composite allows us to view the Masonic package in proper perspective. How many more times will we see similar real-life stories play out? How many times will the father of a young child who has been made to walk again, or even to finally walk for the first time, feel an indebtedness toward the lodge? And how many times will such a feeling of indebtedness lead a man to filling out a petition for the degrees of blue lodge, so that he can eventually become a part of the "good works" that caused his child to walk? How many times will a "Little Johnny" come along, feeling an indebtedness for the services provided in a crippled children’s hospital, or a burn-care unit, causing him to want to be a part of the process that made his bodily transformation possible?

Save a body today, and destroy the soul tomorrow?

"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?

Mark 8:36

Again we ask, "Where is ‘Little Johnny’ now?"
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New Life
John and Mary were so happy on that beautiful spring morning. The small peach and nectarine trees that had been planted during a particularly harsh winter were beginning to blossom, signaling that this would be the year of their "first fruits". The mulberry tree in the backyard was showing signs of new life. There was an emergence of small buds that would soon become beautiful, dark-green leaves, spreading like a large canopy over the picnic table that sat beneath the tree. John and Mary had often sat at that table, making plans for the future, especially after hearing the good news from their family doctor last September. "Mr. Smith, the queasiness your wife has been experiencing in the mornings is quite natural, because, you see, your wife is carrying a new life inside her. The family you have dreamed of is about to become a reality. Mrs. Smith is going to deliver your first-born in about 7 ½ months. Congratulations."

So, on that beautiful spring morning, signs of new life were everywhere, and now, Mary was feeling the first pangs that told them it was time to call Dr. Jones and tell him they were on their way to the hospital.

Not long after being taken into the delivery room, the labor pains were soon forgotten as Mary gave birth to a beautiful baby boy who would be named after his very proud father. After pacing up and down in the waiting room for what seemed like an eternity, the anxious father was summoned to the hospital room where his wife lay in bed resting, with a small bundle of joy by her side. As "dad" walked into the room, Mary said, "Come meet your new son. Here he is – ‘Little Johnny’."

Something is wrong
Months pass by, which normally would have been joyous times, but something was wrong. Dr. Jones told them that "Little Johnny’s" body was not developing normally, and there were other signs indicating that serious medical problems were forthcoming. Unfortunately, time served to prove that Dr. Jones’ diagnoses were all too accurate.

The pastor offers hope
But the pastor where John & Mary attend church offered them hope. They have always enjoyed their pastor’s reassuring messages of love, yet he has never spoken of John 14:6. There is no recollection of ever hearing him speak on Ephesians 2:8-9, either. His sermons were almost always about being a good person; about doing good things for others. Their pastor is a member of the local Masonic lodge. He proudly wears a Masonic ring, and boasts of the "fraternity’s" many good works. He often speaks highly of the accomplishments of the organization, particularly in the area of medicine – burn care units and crippled children’s hospitals. And now, he tells them there is hope; that his Masonic brothers can help them – can help "Little Johnny". "If it is at all possible", he reassures them, "’Little Johnny’ will be able to walk."

"Little Johnny" is taken to a Shriners’ crippled children’s facility. His major problem is that he lives in an afflicted body that cannot move from one place to another under its own power. But his various physical problems are soon dealt with, and the surgeries and treatments his body undergoes are successful in making the necessary corrections so that physically, he leaves the hospital with a beautifully functioning body that has been transformed by the "good works" performed on it. After months of therapy, not only can Johnny walk; Johnny can run!

He grows into a mature adult, feeling gratitude for the good works performed at that Shriners’ medical facility. He feels indebted, but not to God. It was God who guided the hands of the surgeons on that particular day many years ago - perhaps because of the prayers of Christian family members and their many prayer partners. Or perhaps the surgeon who operated on him that morning was a Christian employee of the hospital who had spent time in earnest prayer to God, prior to entering the operating room. But the indebtedness Johnny feels is to the Shriners.

Little Johnny’s feeling of gratefulness, directed to the Shriners is understandable. Besides, "Little Johnny" grew up in a church where the message was always about doing good things for one another – never hearing that it is through God that all things are possible. :

"And Jesus looking upon them, saith, ‘With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible’."

Mark 10:27

Johnny wants to be a Shriner
Now that Johnny is of "lawful age", he wants to become a part of the wonderful things the Shriners do for others. He wants to repay them by becoming a part of their efforts. So he becomes a Mason, trusting not only in the works done on his formerly frail body many years ago, but now, he is also trusting in the beautiful sounding things they are teaching him about life, and about his future life. They not only healed his body, but they are now showing him a way of life that is presented as being the formula for attaining to "that Celestial Lodge above." He trusted in their good works many years ago and his body was healed. Now, he feels that he can trust in their plan of salvation. After all, doesn’t the Apron Lecture teach that all Masons shall stand before the Judge Supreme of the Great White Throne; and that upon review of the deeds done while here in the body, they shall all be ushered into heaven? Isn’t his Masonic pastor’s message almost always on being a good person and doing good things for others, just like members of the lodge do? Doesn’t God want us to love our neighbors, just like members of the lodge do? Surely, if the plan of salvation offered by the lodge was flawed, Johnny could depend upon his pastor to point this out to the ritualists, couldn’t he?

Little Johnny has grown up now, and John has progressed through Masonry, moving on through life with the hope of a glorious immortality. He has hope that there is indeed a "Celestial Lodge above", where he will one day be received, because of "..the deeds done while here in the body." He hasn’t stopped with Blue Lodge degrees. He wants more. He wants to be a Shriner, so he goes into the Scottish Rite. Johnny goes through the additional 29 degrees in a fast and furious weekend, never being required to memorize anything, and only seeing half of the degrees he is given credit for.

The fact that the 19th degree confers the priesthood of Jesus Christ upon the candidate – the Melchizedek priesthood held by Jesus Christ alone - goes right over his head. After all, that was one of the "communicated" degrees that was only briefly spoken of, and not enacted. Johnny doesn’t give the teachings of the Scottish Rite a lot of consideration: "There is nothing wrong with it, or else my pastor wouldn’t be a Scottish Rite Mason." At last comes the day when he is allowed to become a Shriner. To do so, he is required to swear a blood oath to Allah. Johnny’s pastor explains to him, "It’s okay, Allah is just another name for God. If there was something wrong with the Mystic Shrine, I wouldn’t have remained a member all these years." (Yet the truth of the matter is that Moslems – those who proclaim Allah as "the god of our fathers" - deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; they claim He is nothing more than a prophet. Allah has no son. Since Allah has no son, he cannot be the God of the Bible.)

And so, life goes on – for a while, anyway. John has matured into a very successful businessman. Sometimes he is swamped with all the work that fellow Masons send his way, but he always makes sure he has time to actively participate in the various fund raising activities of the Shriners. After all, he owes them more than he could ever repay.

The End of Life
But then comes the day when his lifeless remains are to be laid to rest beneath the clods of the valley, when from his nerveless grasp, drop forever the "working tools of life", but where is "Little Johnny" now?

The funeral service is religious sounding enough, and it certainly is well attended. More than fifty men are present, some wearing white aprons, others arrayed in the regalia of various appendant bodies, and of course, the men of the red fez – the Shriners. Johnny was one of their own.

During the funeral service, there is a great deal of talk about the promise of eternal life, and even mention of a resurrection to eternal life, but there is no reference to Jesus Christ and acceptance of Him as Lord and Savior. There are several prayers recited, but none of them ever mention His name. Some passages of the Bible are quoted, including some things that Jesus Himself had said, but always, His name is omitted. There are no Christian symbols, such as a cross, or a fish emblem, anywhere within sight. The only religious symbol present is the Crescent Moon symbol of the Islamic religion. The Crescent Moon is prominently displayed on the red fezzes of the Shriners. Johnny’s fez with the Crescent Moon is displayed at the head of his casket. Allah is in attendance – but is there room for Jesus?

"Little Johnny" had been a church member for years. As a teen, he had professed faith in Jesus. But there is nothing visible at his funeral service which witnesses of a vital faith in Jesus Christ. Is it the blood of the Lamb that now covers him because of a faith in Jesus Christ, or has that now been replaced by the lambskin apron which has been placed in his casket? The lambskin apron is the badge of a Mason. It is to represent a pure and blameless life, which Freemasonry claims is so essentially necessary to obtaining entrance into the Celestial Lodge above. Surely, Johnny’s good deeds outweigh the bad, don’t they? The lecture he heard when he was given his lambskin apron many years ago clearly stated that he would receive an eternal reward for those good works. Did Johnny trust in those salvific teachings of good works as the basis for his hope of the eternal life?

The Craft had taught Johnny to put his hope in the teachings of the lodge, but aren’t the teachings instilled within him in the lodge room at odds with what is taught in the Written Word of God? John 14:6 states:

"Jesus spoke unto them saying, ‘I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh unto the Father but by Me’."

This is one of several passages his Masonic pastor never spoke on – one of several passages that point to Jesus Christ as being the only way to the Father. Ephesians 2:8-9 states:

"For by grace we are saved, through faith, and not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast’."

This is yet another passage that Johnny’s Masonic pastor never spoke of in any of his sermons. Since Jesus is truly unique, why did the Scottish Rite confer the Melchizedek priesthood which is held by Jesus Christ alone, upon men who were not even required to confess Him as Lord and Savior? Were they implying that Scottish Rite Masons may stand before God with personal righteousness, just as Jesus Christ can? And, if Allah is really just another name for God, why doesn’t he have a son?

Deuteronomy 32:16-17 states:

"They made Him jealous with strange gods; with abominations they provoked Him to anger. They sacrificed to demons who were not God, to gods whom they have not known, new gods who came lately, whom your fathers did not dread."

Paul warned that it was impossible for a man to embrace Jesus Christ and remain ensnared in paganism. We are told in 1 Corinthians 10:20-21:

"No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons, and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons. You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons; you cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons."

The Total Package
The philanthropies of the Lodge healed his body many years ago, but now, by his acceptance of their false teachings, "Little Johnny" will live in eternity, separated from God. This is the "total package" the Craft has to offer.

What are their "good works"? What benefit do they bring?

Is this a true story? Yes, every element of it was true in the lives of one or more men we have known. This composite allows us to view the Masonic package in proper perspective. How many more times will we see similar real-life stories play out? How many times will the father of a young child who has been made to walk again, or even to finally walk for the first time, feel an indebtedness toward the lodge? And how many times will such a feeling of indebtedness lead a man to filling out a petition for the degrees of blue lodge, so that he can eventually become a part of the "good works" that caused his child to walk? How many times will a "Little Johnny" come along, feeling an indebtedness for the services provided in a crippled children’s hospital, or a burn-care unit, causing him to want to be a part of the process that made his bodily transformation possible?

Save a body today, and destroy the soul tomorrow?

"For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul?

Mark 8:36

Again we ask, "Where is ‘Little Johnny’ now?"
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Why would a Pastor Condone, or Defend Freemasonry?




At the present time, the issue of Freemasonry is being considered in a growing number of churches throughout the United States. \


It was included in Paul’s letter to Timothy. They are to preach the Word and be prepared in season and out of season, to correct, rebuke and encourage, with great patience and careful instruction. Anything less should not be tolerated, or supported. Souls are on the line.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 776053



Church's are havin conversations with whom? the only numbers declining faster is the US population replacement rate and of course the general knoweldge of history.

As this very conversation has gone done it was called the Second Great Awakening 1804-32ish. There where even whole political parties identified as Anti Masonic - here is another hint "Lynn Democrats"

This was driven mostly to shore up the church against secular currents; so anyone want to guess who is behind it NOW?


Next......
It doesn't matter who I m it's who U R so ChoOse
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I have to say that anonymous coward really has no clue what the hell he is talking about. It would be against my charge to allow myself to be lead into argument with anyone, whom, through ignorance would ridicule the craft. I will say this, Hiram Abif is not raised up as a savior to anyone in masonry, during any initiation or otherwise, period. I am not sure where that information comes from but is indeed false information. My savior is Jesus Christ and I would never partake in any ritual as a mason or otherwise, that would suggest that I have another savior besides my lord Jesus Christ. For many years men have tried to find ways to sabotage our wonderful craft by spreading ridiculous lies and false propaganda. This "Coward", is one of such men. I know that you have no knowledge of our craft other than what you have found on the internet. I admire you for searching and trying to learn more about the institute and I am sorry you have found so much negative things about it from other people who are just as ignorant. Twenty years from now, someone will read the posts you have made here and take your word as solid truth. Not really knowing that you are completely ignorant about the topic. Just as you have done, they may post something saying what they have found (from you)and believe to be true. You definitely study the Bible and I think that is a wonderful thing. No matter what, Mason's all agree that if you study the Bible and practice it's teachings and the teachings of Christ, then you cannot go wrong. You do not have to join Freemasonry to do that. You continue to study the Bible and teach others of the truths therein and you will be doing great work. He who has an ear, let him hear. However, on subjects that you know nothing about, it is fine to talk about it to try to gain understanding. But to charge the fraternity with such evil accusation is simply wrong and misguiding. Like pastors or preachers who teach false doctrine. God bless
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To those Christians who claim that Freemasons do NOT support a specific God:

Albert Pike (1809-1891) born on Dec 29. US lawyer, historian, general. Masonic author. Brig General, (Confederate Army), died in 1891. Well-known Masonic author (Morals and Dogma) and composer of the ritual for the concordant body, the Scottish Rite, Southern Jurisdiction, he was elected Sovereign Grand Commander of that body in 1859, an office he held until his death. Appointed Grand Orator of the Grand Lodge of Arkansas on November 7, 1864, from 1853 onward he was, at various times, chairman of numerous committees and boards, as well as Grand Representative of four jurisdictions. Founder of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) see also: The Scottish Rite's KKK Project Albert Pike addressing the 23 Supreme Councils of the world on July 14, 1889:- "To you, Sovereign Grand Instructors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees: 'the Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the LUCIFERIAN Doctrine. . ."
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>>>What's the Zion of the 33rd degree thing? And why does it mean the Illuminati cannot control his actions??


I think that anyone can get a 32nd degree, but you have to go across the continent to become a 33rd degree mason. I doubt if there are many of those.

Supposedly, the Masons are a front for devious actions, but you don't have privy to the upper echelons until you're a 33rd degree mason.



You don't have to travel across the continent to become a 33rd degree Scottish Rite Mason, it's an honorary degree, nothing more, no secret wisdom, no hidden truths revealed. I know several 33rd degree Masons, and they've never left the state, and are very active in local charities. I'm a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason, no devious actions in any part of it. Again, this is one of the stupidest posts I've seen in awhile, from people who don't understand what their talking about at all, and who'll believe anything they read. I'm a big conspiracy buff myself, or I wouldn't be coming to this page at all, but it's a good site for all the crazy, and some not so crazy conspiracies. But all the Masonic/NWO/Bilderburg/Illuminati ones are just crap from people who what to see the boogieman everywhere. Unless most of the founders of this nation, and many others in free nations around the world for the last 400 are forming free democracies only to somewhere 400 to 500 years down the road form them into one super government that isn't a democracy, that goes against all the tenents of Masonary, then sure, George Washington and Benjamin Franklin were the boogymen.
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I would like to add that all of you claiming to know something about Masons. Prince Hall is not just an Afican American fraternity. I am a Prince Hall Mason and I am white, also everyone says we dont believe in god that is not true at all. There are no hidden mysteries and stuff like that. Masonry is not a secret society. Anyone of my brothers will tell you they are a mason if you ask. 2B1ASK1
Remember this Masons don't seek men, Men seek Masonry.
If you want to know something about masonry go to your closest masonic lodge and ask them questions they are all marked, wait I did say they are marked as masonic lodges that means not a secret.
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I am a African American member of the freemsaons. NO i am not a prince hall mason. I belong to the blue lodge and as a matter of fact a few of the past Worshipful Master of our lodge were African Americans. I Love the ignorance, even from the brothers claiming to be Masons. There was once a racial divide in the organization, but that was years ago and things have changed.
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Mason Man,
Thanks for the post. I agree with you. I am a member of Blue Lodge as well but I am Prince Hall Mason and I am not an African American. Shows how much people really know about our fraternity.
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most freemasons have never seen or read a real freemason bible.


Freemason bible? Seriously? I'll have to Google that, see what that's all about.

Anyway, I just wonder if all the Obama supporters realize that he's just another one of the world's elites (provided the stuff above is all true ... and I tend to think it is) and that he will do whatever TPTB tell him to.


The Freemason bible in its introduction will state that it beleives all gods are equal...and then it goes on about how to progress through the 33 levels to become a grandmaster.other than that the rest of it is just like a normal bible,just altered at the beginning.I know,doesnt make since.But thats basicly it.I read a Freemason Bible i found once while cleaning out an old house.It was over 100 years old.
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The book your referring to is called Morals and Dogma by Albert Pike, 33* Grand inspector general of the ancient and accepted Scottish rite of freemasonry.

I have done extensive research into the masons and all other secret societies past and present and suggest you all begin by listening to William Cooper's Mystery babylon Radio Broadcasts starting with Dawn of Man. Help save this Republic by educating yourselves with Truth. Now is Time.
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It's funny how everyone who knows everything about Freemasonry aren't Freemasons. Prince Hall Freemasons can receive the 33rd Degree. In many states, Post Civil Rights movement, Black and White masons sit in the same Lodge halls. We don't believe all Gods are equal. We have our own personal beliefs but respect everyones right to believe inwhatever God they want, just as our Constitution allows. Believe as you wish. Continue this thread as long as you wish.

It is some great entertainment to see such ignorance.



well now, lets just upgrade 'others' ignorance, se vu plae,

back in a moment with some Masonic oaths and pledges.

here is a preview, the lower ranks of Masons are just puppets, (insecure) men trying to find importance in a 'club' mentality.

wait till I post their 'initiation' criteria...it'll be a (blast) er, shocking!
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"Let it be known to the brothers of the 30th degree that the Masonic doctrine shall be the Luciferian Doctrine."
- Morals and Dogma Albert Pike, 33* Grand inspector general of the Southern jurisdiction of the ancient and accepted scottish rite of freemasonry.

Dont bother replying........
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I am a African American member of the freemsaons. NO i am not a prince hall mason. I belong to the blue lodge and as a matter of fact a few of the past Worshipful Master of our lodge were African Americans. I Love the ignorance, even from the brothers claiming to be Masons. There was once a racial divide in the organization, but that was years ago and things have changed.


Mason Man,
Thanks for the post. I agree with you. I am a member of Blue Lodge as well but I am Prince Hall Mason and I am not an African American. Shows how much people really know about our fraternity.
 Quoting: A fellow Brother 844489


Anyone can join the Blue lodge. The Prince Hall is for african american masons to continue through the 33*.

I challenge you to provide the name of 1 African American Mason that does not belong to the blue lodge or Prince Hall.

Jesse jackson- Prince hall
al Sharpton- prince hall
colin powell- prince hall
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read this
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It is common knowledge that Obama is a 32nd degree mason. He is also affiliated to the Prince Hall Blue Lodge. As for being illuminati royalty IDK about that. It's not a secret though many masons will tell you about it, only if you're curious enough to know. They have pamphlets at lodges that depict past and present Freemasons. Bush ain't one.
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Maybe he is but he is not shown on the pamphlets.
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Yes Obama is a 32nd degree Freemason member of the Prince Hall - He is also related to George Bush & Dick Cheney (both freemasons). Obama and his wife are both members of the CFR. If you do a little research on the internet, you can prove this for yourself. There are ALOT of politicians who are Freemasons. Along with almost everyone who is on the Federal Reserve board. Also, the Federal Reserve is not a part of the US government. It is a bank owned by european bankers who are "Stealing" money from the US for their own purposes. They take US dollars to fund wars against the US. Do your research. The federal reserve bank will destroy america. Andrew Jackson could foresee this this which is why he ended the 2nd bank of the USA and gave speeches against ever having another central banking system which controls the US money.
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What people fail to see is that God is a title that can be applied to anyone or anything. This word "God", that people worship have several meaning.



The Word "God" is composed of the initials of three Greek words:

Gomer-Wisdom

Oz (Uz)- strength

Dabar-Beauty

These all describe human attributes and qualities. If you don't believe that this word God is used interchangeably when referring to humans, you could always look up the following quotes. Meaning when it speaks of Gods in the bible it refers to Ye, meaning You, or All of you!



So when you read in Gen 3:5 and I Quote "...And ye shall be as gods", the aramic (Hebrew) word used for god here is Eloheem, meaning "These beings".



The Word Eloheem as found in Genesis is falsely translated as God to give you the impression that it's a single form, when in actuality, it's a word in the plural form. Eloheem is the plural of the word Eloh. Any word that has the Yod and Mem at the end of it becomes plural.



Don't let these false translators tell you that the word Eloheem, being used for God (as in Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:26 for example), is being used out of respect of God. That just isn't true! The word Eloheem is used 2,250 times in the bible, and is being used for False Gods (Judges 6:31) is that out of respect too?

The Word God can also be seen as Gud, Guwd, Goud, Gut, or Good, etc. However the root meaning of Gad is "troop", which is a group not a single being. And don't be fooled by the tricks of translators. By this I mean that they try to make it seem as though there is a difference between God, GOD, and god. There Isn't! There are no capital letters in Aramic (hebrew). So this was done by translation to fool you. If you want to truly know who the God of the bible is then study it and you will see that he is an Extra-terrestrial.

For God resides in heaven and from time to time comes to earth to see what is going on. If you read Exodus 19:15 through 19:21 you will see how the children of Israel had a close encounter with God who came down onto Mt. Sinai in clouds and spoke to Moses. First of all If God can be enclosed in or hidden in clouds then this god is not Omnipresent. So who is this god we speak of here. In Genesis 19:21 this is what your omnipotent god has to do and I quote "I will go down now, and see whether the have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I WILL KNOW."

Here God leaves heaven (space) and comes to earth. And for what reason; because he didn't know a thing. So this God is not all knowing and he is an E.T. by the very definition.



So stop playing with your souls.
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its funny how u all just go back and forth with this thing.u can obviously see how all these freemasons deny and cover their secret society with some kind of "charity", act."doing good things for our society".why are u even letting us know what is or isn't true!bullshitt!Aren't u supose to be such a secret society?
and GOD?there's no god in this. Its all about money, power & control.
we are just like honey bees that feed of anything u feed us.
at least that's what u think....

So u thought we would fall for your lies.....open all of ur eyes and we will all see the truth.
Hippocrates,killers, liars!
but the best of the best criminals of the world!
with their own accomplices!
They are the government.
stop trying to blind us...........................................................​.......but at the end...........we will.........all..................DIE!:-)....................​......

whatever
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most freemasons have never seen or read a real freemason bible.
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yeah its true about obama heres a vid this guys talks about it.... [link to www.youtube.com] 17 minutes into it about. he mentions US masonry has become racist so now another organization is putting obama up...hard to understand what sector of manonry he says tho
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"Let it be known to the brothers of the 30th degree that the Masonic doctrine shall be the Luciferian Doctrine."
- Morals and Dogma Albert Pike, 33* Grand inspector general of the Southern jurisdiction of the ancient and accepted scottish rite of freemasonry.




would the mason's members kindly explain this?
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most freemasons have never seen or read a real freemason bible.
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wrong..im a freemason and you can find such texts and codes of conduct at your local masonic library
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"Let it be known to the brothers of the 30th degree that the Masonic doctrine shall be the Luciferian Doctrine."
- Morals and Dogma Albert Pike, 33* Grand inspector general of the Southern jurisdiction of the ancient and accepted scottish rite of freemasonry.




would the mason's members kindly explain this?
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Absolutely. Its a made up quote penned by Leo Taxil. Albert Pike never said that.

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