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I think this article needs to be reread.






Telling me to remove my article and contact my attorney.





Do we only see what we want to see? Or do we only see what we are shown? Many admit to knowing there is both good and evil on this earth, but it appears we feel that evil exists only in individuals or small pockets of like-minded people, never can we conceive, it seems, that evil may be pervasive, systematic and organized. I know, in this day and age, the debate about evil is long, does it exist and what constitutes evil versus lifestyle choice. I´ve always figured in the end it is only my own actions I will have to be responsible for, so I try not to judge others, but I have to state that I find the ritual torture, molestation and often, murder of children to rest fully in the realm of evil.

According to the reports from the US Department of Justice 797,500 children (18 and younger) were reported missing in a one year period studied, resulting in an average of 2,185 being reported missing each day. National Center for Missing & Exploited Children This is an shockingly high number, considering those numbers only represent the United States and only the children that are reported missing, not the throwaway kids that exist in every town and city across America. So where are all these children going?

It seems in the 1980s we received a few clues from the mainstream media about what may be happening, but the stories were called hoaxes and disappeared from view, dismissed and supposedly debunked. Where this sordid tale begins and ends is still a mystery for me, but I will start with the disappearance of Johnny Gosch on Sept. 5, 1982, the country´s first milk carton kid. Johnny was a good-looking 12 year-old boy when he disappeared from his route delivering the Des Moines Register Sunday paper. At the time of his disappearance police did not immediately begin searching for him and waited a 72-hour window before considering him officially missing.

Ms. Gosch maintains that Johnny was taken as part of a huge and well-organized human trafficking ring used for the purpose of satisfying pedophiles for profit. In recent years she has received photographs in the mail, made at the time of Johnny´s disappearance, of he and other boys tied and gagged. She has had contact with Johnny only once since he was kidnapped, when, as an adult, he turned up on her doorstep late one night and explained that he was involved in something too deep and dangerous to ever escape. She is the author of the book, "Why Johnny Can´t Come Home". Johnny Gosch Foundation

In 1984, a woman accused employees of the McMartin Preschool of molesting her young son when he came home bleeding from his rectum, a doctor verified that the child had been sodomized and thus became the longest criminal trial in American history. The story made headlines for years, as hundreds of preschool attendees came forward with stories of satanic ritual sexual abuse, animal mutilations and tunnels under the school which whisked the kids off to unknown locations to participate in sex with adults. Shock and outrage swept the country, but the defendants maintained their innocence throughout the long years of investigation, hearings and trials. Eventually, charges against all defendants were dropped, except for the son of the owner, Ray Buckley and after two juries deadlocked, he was released.

We, across America, relaxed knowing that justice was served and that no satanic, occult or sexual rituals had occurred and many believed that the McMartin family deserved an apology, despite the claims of hundreds of children who had stepped forward. The newspapers declared it was a witch hunt brought on by mass hysteria, many books and documentaries were made siding with the McMartin family and headlines like "Indict the Children, Jail the Parents" appeared across the country, including The Wall Street Journal. Although a task force was created, little media attention was given to the fact that the McMartin Preschool was not the only school in the area under investigation. 7th Fire

During the investigation, 460 children reported being sexually abused and 80% showed physical symptoms including vaginal and rectal scarring, anal bleeding and sexually transmitted chlamydia infections. The children´s stories were remarkably similar concerning the nature, location and perpetrators of the abuse. Although the media held our attention, the public was never informed that teenagers and twenty-year-olds, former students of McMartin´s Preschool, had also come forward confirming the claims of the children, but were not allowed to testify due to the statute of limitations. The judge in the case ruled that the children (aged 2 to 11) could not testify on closed circuit television, but had to face the attorneys and face them they did, each child was grilled by all the defense attorneys, one after another. And as the parents of the children next in line watched, they decided pull their kids from the proceedings.

Nor was it brought to the public´s attention that a couple key witnesses died suspicious deaths before they could testify. Judy Johnson, the first parent to raise concerns of molestation was declared a paranoid schizophrenic by the media, although she had no such medical diagnosis and was later found naked and sprawled out in her kitchen floor, dead of alcohol poisoning. And Paul Bynum, a prosecution witness and private detective hired by the defense was found dead of a single gunshot wound the morning he was scheduled to testify. His death was ruled a suicide, although friends and family declared it was not something he would do. McMartin Preschool Revisited

"Neither side is going to like what I have to say," Bynum told a reporter before he died. Bynum wanted to know how his citation books, the official police records kept from his time as a detective, had turned up in Ray Buckley´s desk when he was arrested for molestation. And he could corroborate a key point in the children´s testimonies. The children had stated their attackers killed turtles and other small animals to scare them into silence and Bynum, while retained by the defense, found numerous turtle shells and other small animal bones buried in the yard of the preschool.

According to the editor of the Los Angeles Times, Noel Greenwood, the widespread media coverage was "a mean-spirited campaign" organized to discredit the kids and their therapists. Besides the ridicule the media heaped on Judy Johnson before her death, they also belittled the children´s claims, deeming the idea of a tunnel under the preschool, impossible. But when the parents hired an independent excavation team and that team found the back-filled tunnel system, the media issued one short paragraph mentioning "evidence" of a tunnel and promptly quit covering the story. The discovery of the often-ridiculed tunnel was also not admitted into evidence at trial due to a myriad of reasons.

Due to the fact that the preschool had recently changed hands and was set for demolition, the excavation team was given little time to complete the dig, but discovered that tunnels ran under several of the classrooms and uncovered the larger "secret room" that the children had described. An additional tunnel was also discovered leading out from under the preschool, to the triplex apartment next door and coming up into a bathroom under a moveable tub. Archaeological Investigations of the McMartin Preschool

In a interview on L.A.´s Pacifica Radio, Jackie MacGauley, mother of a McMartin student, said, "It was interesting because a lot of the child development specialists, psychiatrists and therapists across the country thought that it was some psychological phenomenon that the kids would talk about tunnels. Somehow that idea got 'planted,' and they had all these theories as to why all the kids would talk about something like this. It obviously couldn't be true. And the district attorney at the time just flatly did not believe it, and really didn't want to look." History now states that the McMartin Preschool ritual abuse case was nothing more than a hoax perpetrated by deceitful therapists, lying children and mass hysteria. And interestingly enough, of the hundreds of children who came forward and were interviewed, only one has recanted his story.

In 1988, Franklin Credit Union in Omaha, Nebraska was raided and upon examining the books it was found that close to 40 million dollars was missing. The credit union was run by Larry King (not the talk show host), who at the time was a fast moving Republican star and sang at the Republican conventions in 1984 and 1988. Not only did investigators discover falsified books, they also found a large cache of child pornography. Due to newsprint publicity (television news didn´t touch this event), eighty children came forward with stories of ritual sexual abuse by high-powered community and political leaders. The Boys Town School featured prominently in the claims and was said to be a hunting ground for rich and powerful pedophiles. As the strands of this scandal reached all the way to Washington DC, John DeCamp, former US Republican senator, was sent to disprove the case, the results of his investigation and an attempt to save his life, after many threats, is the book, "The Franklin Cover-Up: Child Abuse, Satanism and Murder in Nebraska". tards interview with John DeCamp

As the witnesses came forward stories of children being transported across the country to exclusive parties where they were molested, auctioned off and even murdered came to light. At these events where orgies, satanic rituals and endless drugs were available many photographs and videos were made, later to be used for blackmail, to ensure silence or for profit. John DeCamp had his doubts when he began investigating the allegations, the claims seemed too wild to be true, but then he met one of the victims, Paul Bonacci, who had kept a very detailed journal from the time he was 12-years old.


Bonacci´s diary contained information about locations, events and named high powered leaders, not just politicians but heads of banking, publishing and from the entertainment field. As Bonacci described a particular Washington party, DeCamp was amazed; he had attended the same party as a senator and remembered that children had been present at the event. Of course, DeCamp didn´t witness any of the ritual abuses described, because those, Bonacci explained, happened after the party, when the crowd had slimmed down considerably.

In 1989, the front page of The Washington Times screamed a shocking headline, "Homosexual Prostitution Inquiry Ensnares VIPs with Reagan, Bush" the subtitle states, " ´Call boys´ took midnight tour of the White House". The Times confirmed that Washington lobbyist Craig J. Spence had arranged for four midnight tours of the White House for young boys. The Law Party Paul Bonacci stated he had been on two of those tours and was able to describe rooms in the White House that are not typically seen by the public. Bonacci clarified that he did not have sex in the White House, but afterwards he was taken to party and forced to have sex with adults. Craig J. Spence was later found dead, the death was ruled a suicide.

Gary Caradori, an investigator for the Nebraska State legislature, met with Russell Nelson, a former photographer for Larry King, in Chicago. Nelson handed over video and photographic evidence to support the claims of ritual abuse, but on the return trip home Caradori´s plane disintegrated in air killing both he and his 8 year-old son. A local deputy, the first on the scene, claimed that the crash site was littered with photos of child pornography, but soon federal agents appeared and retrieved all the evidence, warning the deputy to keep his mouth shut. The deputy had trouble keeping quiet about the strange events until he had a head on collision several months later, he survived, although severely injured, his wife did not. The Gunderson Report

Four victims eventually agreed to testify, Paul Bonacci, Alisha Owens, Troy Boner and Danny King. Danny King, often described as "pathetic" he was so broken by the abuse, recanted his story and Troy Boner also recanted after his brother was found dead, it was ruled suicide after it was decided the boy had lost a game of Russian roulette. Boner insisted his brother was afraid of guns and never would have touched one, he also confided to friends that he had to "lie or die". After recanting before the grand jury he disappeared, it is rumored that he later turned up in a mental institution in 2003, was sedated and found dead the next morning.

Alisha Owens did not recant, despite the fact that her brother was also found dead by yet another suicide. Due to Owens testimony that she had sex with the chief of police at 14-years old, as well as other allegations, she was convicted of perjury and sentenced to 9-27 years. The grand jury threw out all allegations of child abuse and declared the charges "a carefully crafted hoax...scripted by a person or persons with considerable knowledge of the people and institutions of Omaha". No conspirator was ever named and no further investigations were undertaken. Wikipedia

During Owens´ imprisonment, which began in 1991, she was kept in solitary confinement longer that any other woman in the history of the State of Nebraska. Owens was released on parole in 1997, but then the show "Inside Edition" aired an episode discussing the idea that Johnny Gosch may still be alive and she was picked up a week later, she was informed she had to complete her sentence in jail. During pre-trial interviews, Owens stated that she had seen Gosch, as well as several boys from Boys Town, at the exclusive parties where she and others had been abused. Owens was released in 2000 and said she only wants to lead a "normal" life.

Larry King was convicted of embezzlement and sentenced to a 15-year prison sentence. In 1999, Bonacci sued King in civil suit in which he alleged child abuse, mind control, satanic ritual abuse and sexual abuse. Bonacci was awarded a $1 million dollar default judgment because King did not appear to defend the allegations. All told, 14 people connected with the Franklin cover up have died, including DeCamp´s friend and mentor, William Colby, former CIA director, who was discovered floating in a pond in 1996.

In 1993 the Discovery Channel contracted a British documentary team to investigate the story, Yorkshire Television spent 10 months in Nebraska interviewing witnesses and reviewing taped testimonies. The documentary, Conspiracy of Silence, was slated for air in 1994 and was listed in the TV Guide, but it was never shown. It is said that influential and connected people put pressure on the cable industry, fully reimbursing the production company and the Discovery Channel and that all copies were destroyed. Luckily, an unfinished version later turned up on John DeCamp´s doorstep. Conspiracy of Silence

And in a stranger twist of an already strange story, a young reporter appeared in White House briefings in 2003 going by the name Jeff Gannon, he caught the attention of the other reporters for the "soft" questions he asked the president or his press secretary. Controversy was stirred when it was discovered that the name Jeff Gannon was a secret service approved alias for James Guckert, who had been granted remarkable access to the White House. Gannon/Guckert claimed to be a reporter for Talon News, but at the time he made his first appearance in the briefings, he had never published a single article. The Raw Story

It quickly came to light that Gannon/Guckert advertised himself on pornographic gay websites as an escort charging $200 an hour. Washington Post And then rumor and speculations began flying on the Internet that Gannon/Guckert was really kidnap victim Johnny Gosch. Whether or not Gannon is actually Gosch, no one seems to know, but I understand that Gannon has refused DNA testing.

Both Gannon and his business partner, Bobby Eberle, owned the now defunct and admittedly partisan Talon News. And in another coincidence, a couple named Eberle were some of the most outspoken defenders of the McMartin family during the preschool scandal. They have published two books, "The Politics of Child Abuse", about false allegations of child abuse in day care facilities, in 1986 and "The Abuse of Innocence", supporting the McMartin family, in 1996. Since the publication of the books the Eberles are considered experts in the field of childhood sexual abuse. Interestingly enough, the Eberles have also published many hard and soft-core pornographic magazines. Excerpt from 1988 Ms. Magazine In a book review of "The Abuse of Innocence", a writer for the Tampa Tribune stated, "For a period of time during the 70s, Paul and Shirley Eberle were the most prolific publishers of child pornography in the United States." Wikipedia Whether or not these Eberles are related, I have no idea, but if not, it sure is a curious coincidence.

There you have it, the tip of a very complex and dangerous mystery. So do we choose not to see evil in our society or does the media simply do a fine job in hiding the ugliness from us? Dozens of some of the most powerful people in America were accused and identified in these cases and never charged with a single crime. Hundreds of children told the same or very similar stories, displayed physical and emotional symptoms and evidence was presented confirming their claims, yet somehow, the courts and the public decided they were all lying. We want to believe that the pedophile is the lone stranger that we can warn our children about, we want to believe the abductions and molestations of our youth are just disturbing, isolated events, but the truth is, it is a huge and lucrative business.

If we choose to believe what is written in this article and within the many links provided, many will assume that the scandals from Nebraska and California could never happen in their town, in their neighborhood or with their children, but how do we really know? The pedophile, child pornography and human trafficking networks are organized by well connected people, working in unison with other seemingly upstanding community leaders and backed by more money and resources than most of us, struggling to pay our bills month to month, can imagine.

Are we forgetting that just recently Mark Foley, who was once considered a crusader for abused and exploited kids, was caught propositioning and writing sexually tinged emails to teenage pages? Are we forgetting the Catholic Church scandals? The truth that no one wants to accept and the media makes easy to ignore, is that this is happening all across our country, remember those 2,185 children that disappear everyday? And in the McMartin and Franklin cases, the children were mostly just used, threatened, fondled, raped, filmed, brain washed and returned to their homes and most parents had no clue. I think it is time we begin looking at the real evils in this world and learn to recognize it for what is it, because if we cannot or refuse to see evil, then how can we protect our children and ourselves?
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This is The Truth of this country. It isn't a hoax, it's so horrible that people don't understand it. Fear and shame of the victim gives these evil people power, Truth destroys them.
Keep spreading The Truth to put a stop to this. hf
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Proverbial "Tip of the Iceberg". Keep it coming T...
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You have what? 150,000 children go missing in America every year.

I guess a couple of those are sacrificed by satanists and others to their "god".
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Thank you. Let's remove the fear and shame that holds these kids prisoners to the abuse.

We can help them heal by letting them know we believe them, we know this is happening, and not ignoring the issue.

The only thing ugly about it is the evil behind the act. But it is not so ugly we cannot or should not look at it.

I say LOOK!

I know a family man who raised 6 kids and chose to take the oldest stepdaughter as his lover when she was preteen. She left home at 16.

Now, 30 years later the family has found out. But none of them had any idea that this was going on so many years ago and there was much anger about the fact that what happened was being discussed, but little anger at the perpetrator because he had been a fairly good dad. They were all afraid to talk about it or think about it.

We should not be afraid to discuss this! It is the only way we can stop the cycle.
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You have what? 150,000 children go missing in America every year.

I guess a couple of those are sacrificed by satanists and others to their "god".
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I think the number quoted by the Justice Dept. is 797,000 a year.
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Thank you. Let's remove the fear and shame that holds these kids prisoners to the abuse.

We can help them heal by letting them know we believe them, we know this is happening, and not ignoring the issue.

The only thing ugly about it is the evil behind the act. But it is not so ugly we cannot or should not look at it.

I say LOOK!

I know a family man who raised 6 kids and chose to take the oldest stepdaughter as his lover when she was preteen. She left home at 16.

Now, 30 years later the family has found out. But none of them had any idea that this was going on so many years ago and there was much anger about the fact that what happened was being discussed, but little anger at the perpetrator because he had been a fairly good dad. They were all afraid to talk about it or think about it.

We should not be afraid to discuss this! It is the only way we can stop the cycle.
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I want to add that the woman committed suicide recently, likely because of the shame she felt at the release of the information.
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This would never be allowed to happen,we live in a civilised country!the law protects the children.Im from the UK and i wish that was true.But most believe the lie I have spoken to people on the missing chidren the satanic rituals and they would rather ignore the situation.This happens in all class of society rich and poor.The press here down play and the British Goverment cover it up,TO CLOSE TO HOME.
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ritual child abuse happens so often..many people don't even realize it is ritual child abuse...for example....


The cutting of the foreskin!

If you only knew how impacted guys are from that traumatic experience...
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ritual child abuse happens so often..many people don't even realize it is ritual child abuse...for example....


The cutting of the foreskin!

If you only knew how impacted guys are from that traumatic experience...
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I don't have kids and wouldn't likely do it to any boys if I did. But I had it done as a baby and don't remember a thing. I don't see it nearly being the same as long term child abuse/sexual abuse, etc. I was very lucky to have good parents, I can't see how I could in any way compare the trauma as a baby that I can't remember as being anywhere near the same as what people have and continue to go throuhg with abuse from family.

I'm always ready to say I am wrong and I know you probably weren't comparing but when you bring it up in this thread, it naturally seems that way.
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Telling me to remove my article and contact my attorney.



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Do you have an attorney and did he hear anything from Gannon or his people? Skimming the article I don't see what he is threatening over. Nothing is really pushing it at all. Compared to other versions of these stories, it is safe and does not jump to conclusions. What's his complaint? Can you be sued for reporting what others have reported and over your admitted speculation? I guess so but he won't win anything. You didn't lie or print unproven disinfo. Only the facts, your questions and your admitted speculation about it all..
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Telling me to remove my article and contact my attorney.




Do you have an attorney and did he hear anything from Gannon or his people? Skimming the article I don't see what he is threatening over. Nothing is really pushing it at all. Compared to other versions of these stories, it is safe and does not jump to conclusions. What's his complaint? Can you be sued for reporting what others have reported and over your admitted speculation? I guess so but he won't win anything. You didn't lie or print unproven disinfo. Only the facts, your questions and your admitted speculation about it all..
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No, I don't have an attorney and since what I write is simply opinion or speculation, I don't see the problem, but apparently, he does.

I deliberately used words like rumor and speculation, because that is what the Gosch/Gannon thing is, with lots of interesting coincidences.

I also know I am only one in thousands who have written about him, I wonder if everyone receives such an email. I have to say it freaked me out a bit, but I don't intend to remove it.

His complaint is that it is untrue and defamatory (sp), but I have to wonder, aren't we allowed to speculate and ponder? Am I not allowed to state an opinion without threats? I called nothing fact, concerning him, and posted ligitmate links to previous news articles. And the article was up for less than 12 hours and had minimal views when I received an email, he must use Google alert.
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Proverbial "Tip of the Iceberg". Keep it coming T...
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Your writting is so moving. I watch for your writtings because of the depth of your thoughts. A free thinker and I like that.
It is time to awaken to your real purpose. It is all up to you.
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Proverbial "Tip of the Iceberg". Keep it coming T...


Your writting is so moving. I watch for your writtings because of the depth of your thoughts. A free thinker and I like that.
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Thank you very much! hf
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This should be pinned and each of us - with your permission of course, should print a copy of your article (which we can say was written anonymously if you prefer) to our local newspapers.
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no way. not a hoax. is seems absurd but it is very real and serious.
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Turtle, do you worry that they may suicide you or something? I broke some info on a case once and have never had a m,oments of peace since. They didn't suicide me but they sure as hell tried more than once. I worry for you :(
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Thanks guys, it is an important subject and I feel a little more alert, if you will, but no less determined.

It was a tough subject to study, but I felt compelled and good about it. I have been trained not to draw attention to myself, so that part is difficult, but yes, spread the word, please and attach my name, cause if I am suicided, at least folks will know why.
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Yea!!!! smile_kiss Thank you, needing those.
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You are correct in the numbers-in fact they are higher but not all are reported


Thx TK for the thread-too many do not want to know hf


As the numbers are rather incredible in themselves-the more the masses understand that ritual child abuse is not a hoax, the more they allow the victim space and time to heal, by being heard-the faster we can end predatory practices


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You are correct in the numbers-in fact they are higher but not all are reported


Thx TK for the thread-too many do not want to know hf


As the numbers are rather incredible in themselves-the more the masses understand that ritual child abuse is not a hoax, the more they allow the victim space and time to heal, by being heard-the faster we can end predatory practices


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Good to see you here, you always seem to follow the important issues.
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"In a interview on L.A.´s Pacifica Radio, Jackie MacGauley, mother of a McMartin student, said, "It was interesting because a lot of the child development specialists, psychiatrists and therapists across the country thought that it was some psychological phenomenon that the kids would talk about tunnels. Somehow that idea got 'planted,' and they had all these theories as to why all the kids would talk about something like this. It obviously couldn't be true. And the district attorney at the time just flatly did not believe it, and really didn't want to look." History now states that the McMartin Preschool ritual abuse case was nothing more than a hoax perpetrated by deceitful therapists, lying children and mass hysteria. And interestingly enough, of the hundreds of children who came forward and were interviewed, only one has recanted his story."


I am sure if there were an investigation that covered all the children who wanted to speak(even those who exceeded the statue of limitations) it would be INCREDIBLE as for those who watched the trials unfold and researched the history and the truth that unfolded with STDs the children had and the similarity of stories...and another day care the Presidio-

For those who watched it unfold and know the history, even in the Franklin coverup

I was in calif when McMartin preschool unfolded-I was in Omaha when Franklin coverup was uncovered and the Boystown crap-the history is distorted(like per wiki) and seems intent on misleading many. If a person is informed or even truly has inside info-there also are those who seek to obfuscate the truth-What are they protecting? It surely isn't the children. Omaha is a vipers den-still


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Re: **Update** Received Email From Jeff Gannon** Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?
It is not a "hoax" for I met a lady who had over 30 scars on her wrist fro her satanic parents, who ritually slashed and drank her blood, rpared her and beat her. They also hypnotized her not to remember...but she did. Her story is real, live and I talked long with her. maybe over 60,000 children are teated this way. Most are killed.

The bushits/chainies kill their male hosts of pleasure so they won't tell... and alot of our congress also are like that even hillarious clitorous and billyboy hard on. It is so horrific to know about especially when you have a young good looking teen..
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Re: **Update** Received Email From Jeff Gannon** Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?
You are correct in the numbers-in fact they are higher but not all are reported


Thx TK for the thread-too many do not want to know hf


As the numbers are rather incredible in themselves-the more the masses understand that ritual child abuse is not a hoax, the more they allow the victim space and time to heal, by being heard-the faster we can end predatory practices


flower for the children


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Thx for doing the thread as the topic is not exactly a favorite for its very nature it is saddening. It is still important as the vile falsehoods the 'false memory people' promote against survivors is disgusting.



The Presidio ties in-as when one views the overall picture a very large spider web is noted-with very high positioned players-Seems whenever there is a real threaded connection, it 'evaporates' or mysteriously gets misplaced.
(like john marks karr-jon benet fame-how his hard drive disappeared-oops. I heard police report that he likely was involved in her death but they had no DNA proof to tie him in-and losing his computer allowed him to get his child pornography charges dismissed...)There is so much recorded data by so many-they cannot contain this proliferation of truth-

Amazingly though cases like Dutroux of the Belgium fiasco(whatever did happen???)Most of those players are roaming free-it is obvious there are those with perverse tastes and they hold positions to help bury the real deep connections-from lofty places

All the children struck down, sold like cattle to the highest bidder-Mark my words, the Most High sees all-they can partake of their rancid ruse but the stench reaches On High and the children shall be vindicated-The purveyors of childrens flesh shall be struck with wounds so deep there will be no escape

they will get their rewards abundantly

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Re: **Update** Received Email From Jeff Gannon** Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?
Don't bend to threats or coercion. We are hear to listen to this fellow if he dares to come around, but slander and or liable require more than speculation.

If he wants this to shut up, he can take the DNA test...

Honestly, if he reads this, I will pay for the test for him! (Seriously, post here and I will give my personal e-mail information...Or contact you personally to arrange things.)

Now, there is not reason to duck the DNA test.

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So, if you truly claim it is false, don't sue, prove it then everyone will have to shut up about it.
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Re: **Update** Received Email From Jeff Gannon** Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?
Don't bend to threats or coercion. We are hear to listen to this fellow if he dares to come around, but slander and or liable require more than speculation.

If he wants this to shut up, he can take the DNA test...

Honestly, if he reads this, I will pay for the test for him! (Seriously, post here and I will give my personal e-mail information...Or contact you personally to arrange things.)

Now, there is not reason to duck the DNA test.

:)

So, if you truly claim it is false, don't sue, prove it then everyone will have to shut up about it.
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Re: **Update** Received Email From Jeff Gannon** Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?
I am sure this goes on and it is is very terrible.

But I do have issue with the supposed number of children kidnapped per year at least in the US. The vast majority are family members and are returned. In 48 years I cannot remember one child who was kidnapped who was not found, a few of these dead but most alive.
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Re: **Update** Received Email From Jeff Gannon** Is Ritual Child Abuse a Hoax?
His complaint is that it is untrue and defamatory (sp), but I have to wonder, aren't we allowed to speculate and ponder? Am I not allowed to state an opinion without threats? I called nothing fact, concerning him, and posted ligitmate links to previous news articles. And the article was up for less than 12 hours and had minimal views when I received an email, he must use Google alert.
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Yeah but what is his real name? If he uses alias names then can they be defamed? Would he actually get up in court and disclose who he really is?