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HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372258
2/17/2008 9:41 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
the benefits of tilapia in this type of system are staggering.
1. filter feeder / vegetarian / detritovore - cuts down on feeding costs, less expensive protein to feed.
2. easy to breed - and prolific
3. fast growers - edible in 6-9 months
4. can handle high fish concs.
5. can handle high nitrates etc in water.
and they actually taste good. we have been eating them weekly for a while now on the BBQ, very nice. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372258
2/17/2008 9:43 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
i have read that the quality of oxygen is depleting, and that it could get much worse, so i thought if it could compliment the system, and help you ,,, hey what the heck?
especially if you had to remain in a closed enviroment for extended periods Quoting: malu
yeah, think mission to mars with a tub full of fish and some plants growing out of it.
i have not done any research on how much oxygen is regenerated by photosynthesis and how to capture it, but it is something i should look into as well. |
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NeoFistOfTheGolgoNin ja
User ID: 375481
2/17/2008 9:44 PM
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the benefits of tilapia in this type of system are staggering.
1. filter feeder / vegetarian / detritovore - cuts down on feeding costs, less expensive protein to feed.
2. easy to breed - and prolific
3. fast growers - edible in 6-9 months
4. can handle high fish concs.
5. can handle high nitrates etc in water.
and they actually taste good. we have been eating them weekly for a while now on the BBQ, very nice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372258
That is really cool, thanks for sharing. I see fish as being very important in the future, especially for the "West" who does not consume very much of it.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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malu 
User ID: 321190
2/17/2008 9:45 PM
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way cool! my brain is going lightspeed! should be fun trying to sleep tonight :)
i love it! |
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NeoFistOfTheGolgoNin ja
User ID: 375481
2/17/2008 9:47 PM
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Lots of pictures of small medium and large aquaponics setups here..
[ link to www.backyardaquaponics.com]
Looks pretty cool.
way cool! my brain is going lightspeed! should be fun trying to sleep tonight :)
i love it!
Thanks, I bookmarked that page.
[link to www.youtube.com]
A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.-- Thomas Jefferson |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372258
2/17/2008 9:48 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
i have been doing research on this for about a year now and have a space that i will be trying out in within 2 to 3 months.
we are going to start with 2 harems of fish and run hydroponics on that.
we will expand as the fish breed and see what happens.
i have experience with large closed systems, tropical fw plant growing and tropical fish breeding, so this is a synergy of a bunch of life skills.
a lot to do on top of a day job, but this is the important stuff IMHO. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375566
2/17/2008 9:48 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Vegetable growth would be one of my hydroponic interest.
what? can you grow animals on hydroponics?
well fish and water do mix :)
Good point, but unfortunately, incorrect.
Growing fish would be called aquaculture (or mariculture if it's on an enclosed section on the ocean)
Hydroponics are (and let me use some dictionary quotes so no one says I'm making it up):
# Growing plants without soil by providing nutrients in a solution instead.
[link to iss.cet.edu]
# aquicultural: of or relating to aquiculture; "aquacultural methods"; "hydroponic lettuce"
[link to wordnet.princeton.edu]
# Hydroponics is crop production with mineral nutrient solutions instead of soil containing silt and clay. Terrestrial plants may be grown with their roots in the mineral nutrient solution only or in an inert medium, such as perlite, gravel or rockwool. A variety of techniques exist.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
;) |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/17/2008 9:49 PM
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check this out:
[link to rps.uvi.edu]
would be interesting if you could run a bed/breakfast/eco tourism project |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/17/2008 9:52 PM
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i have been doing research on this for about a year now and have a space that i will be trying out in within 2 to 3 months.
we are going to start with 2 harems of fish and run hydroponics on that.
we will expand as the fish breed and see what happens.
i have experience with large closed systems, tropical fw plant growing and tropical fish breeding, so this is a synergy of a bunch of life skills.
a lot to do on top of a day job, but this is the important stuff IMHO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372258
good luck to you! i hope you keep us posted
i can see this being a year round thing, even in wintery michigan, if set up correctly, geo thermal comes to mind, earth berming, and hoop green houses |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316906
2/17/2008 9:53 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I believe hydroponics is an indespensible technique, and have researched it myself. I have also designed my own system. I have two books, in [.pdf] format, that I have uploaded to megaupload.com, and I am posting the links to them for you. This should give you enough research materials to get you started. Both books cover the technique in depth, and you should not need any further research material if you have these two books. I would suggest to anybody that wants to learn, download these books.
Hydroponics.pdf
[link to www.megaupload.com]
HowToHydroponics.pdf
[link to www.megaupload.com] |
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Juanwhoknows
User ID: 375585
2/17/2008 10:03 PM
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i have been doing research on this for about a year now and have a space that i will be trying out in within 2 to 3 months.
we are going to start with 2 harems of fish and run hydroponics on that.
we will expand as the fish breed and see what happens.
i have experience with large closed systems, tropical fw plant growing and tropical fish breeding, so this is a synergy of a bunch of life skills.
a lot to do on top of a day job, but this is the important stuff IMHO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372258
Sounds like you have a lot to offer to the thread.
Do you have any written plans?
"One can evade reality, but one cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." --- Ayn Rand |
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Juanwhoknows
User ID: 375585
2/17/2008 10:19 PM
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the benefits of tilapia in this type of system are staggering.
1. filter feeder / vegetarian / detritovore - cuts down on feeding costs, less expensive protein to feed.
2. easy to breed - and prolific
3. fast growers - edible in 6-9 months
4. can handle high fish concs.
5. can handle high nitrates etc in water.
and they actually taste good. we have been eating them weekly for a while now on the BBQ, very nice. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372258
From what I've read, you have to TRY to kill these fish.
"One can evade reality, but one cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." --- Ayn Rand |
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SC Granny
User ID: 375606
2/17/2008 10:32 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Malu has a wonderful idea "run a bed/breakfast/eco tourism project".
I'm wondering how small a project can be interesting to the bed/breakfast crowd.
Any ideas? |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/17/2008 10:39 PM
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Malu has a wonderful idea "run a bed/breakfast/eco tourism project".
I'm wondering how small a project can be interesting to the bed/breakfast crowd.
Any ideas? Quoting: SC Granny 375606
i was thinking of that as a sideline, not really the draw, but to some it would be worth going to see
but, you could have a menu that would draw the crowd, if you could do some freshwater crawfish, you could do a fish boil, with baby green salads, and veggies,, hmmmm
i like to think of things in a complete circle,, ya know? |
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Healthy1
User ID: 294213
2/17/2008 10:49 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Long thread did not read all of it.
There is a place in Muscle Shoals, Alabama that is doing this very thing, I think on TVA property. Do not remember the web site or name, but one can go on the proberty and observe. |
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Aussie Dude
User ID: 375655
2/17/2008 11:01 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
but, you could have a menu that would draw the crowd, if you could do some freshwater crawfish, you could do a fish boil, with baby green salads, and veggies,, hmmmm
i like to think of things in a complete circle,, ya know? Quoting: malu
the aquaponic restaurant... cool idea!
Excellent thread, thank you all.
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SC Granny
User ID: 375606
2/17/2008 11:10 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Healthy1, I googled and find
Jack O Lantern Farms. Is this your reference?
Is there any activity other than growing vegetables? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/17/2008 11:15 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Malu has a wonderful idea "run a bed/breakfast/eco tourism project".
I'm wondering how small a project can be interesting to the bed/breakfast crowd.
Any ideas?
i was thinking of that as a sideline, not really the draw, but to some it would be worth going to see
but, you could have a menu that would draw the crowd, if you could do some freshwater crawfish, you could do a fish boil, with baby green salads, and veggies,, hmmmm
i like to think of things in a complete circle,, ya know? Quoting: malu
This Resh guy is well into his 80's and he has set up
hydroponic resort spas. [link to www.howardresh.com] |
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SC Granny
User ID: 375606
2/17/2008 11:19 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Please assist with menu ideas for a very small bed & breakfast hydroponic garden project.
Also, what would you expect to see, or be shown or demonstrated during your stay?
Two guest bedrooms so that each session (weekend) might include 3-4 persons.
Breakfast
Blueberry pancakes
Eggs, grits
Lunch
??
Dinner
Malu's crawfish
Salad |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/17/2008 11:19 PM
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Malu has a wonderful idea "run a bed/breakfast/eco tourism project".
I'm wondering how small a project can be interesting to the bed/breakfast crowd.
Any ideas?
i was thinking of that as a sideline, not really the draw, but to some it would be worth going to see
but, you could have a menu that would draw the crowd, if you could do some freshwater crawfish, you could do a fish boil, with baby green salads, and veggies,, hmmmm
i like to think of things in a complete circle,, ya know?
This Resh guy is well into his 80's and he has set up
hydroponic resort spas. [ link to www.howardresh.com]
how cool is that? damn
even if the economy collapses, the rich will still be rich, and looking for something to do |
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SC Granny
User ID: 375606
2/17/2008 11:25 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Checked Dr. Resh's site. Spa is out of consideration, but how would some of you like to have a couple of quick cooking classes during the stay. Not only how to grow the food, but how to cook and serve it. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372656
2/17/2008 11:36 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I believe hydroponics is an indespensible technique, and have researched it myself. I have also designed my own system. I have two books, in [.pdf] format, that I have uploaded to megaupload.com, and I am posting the links to them for you. This should give you enough research materials to get you started. Both books cover the technique in depth, and you should not need any further research material if you have these two books. I would suggest to anybody that wants to learn, download these books.
Hydroponics.pdf
[ link to www.megaupload.com]
HowToHydroponics.pdf
[ link to www.megaupload.com]
Thank you so much for this information...It is exactly what a newcomer like myself was looking for!
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Healthy1
User ID: 294213
2/17/2008 11:53 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Can only remember reading an article about it, but would like to visit it for myself and plan to do so perhaps this summer. Believe they are trying to grow anything and everything. This is a husband and wife team I believe. Will try to find out more and post about it. Maybe it is even a TVA run facility, who knows. TVA is is the area, chemical plants, dams, and close to the Tennessee River. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 316906
2/17/2008 11:58 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Thank you so much for this information...It is exactly what a newcomer like myself was looking for!
And that's exactly why I uploaded them! your very welcome. I hope they come in handy for you. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 359042
2/18/2008 12:03 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
We tried hydroponics last year, but it was a miserable failure. Not sure what we did wrong.
I'd like to try it again sometime. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 1:32 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
We tried hydroponics last year, but it was a miserable failure. Not sure what we did wrong.
I'd like to try it again sometime. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 359042
Did you monitor the Ph? This is crucial. |
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User ID: 375719
2/18/2008 1:36 AM
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I'd wager that there are a great many GLPers who know all about hydroponics...
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372258
2/18/2008 2:07 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I do have some stuff written up an am collecting local funding at this time.
I am in the Vancouver BC area.
We plan on doing this year round and using as many bio and environmental shortcuts as possible. I already mentioned duckweed, but geo-thermal and solar are also options we are looking at.
For the small scale pilot we are looking at just heating a small garage to run as proof of concept.
I have 20 years of fish tank and tropical plant experience, and have worked at a major public aquarium, so I am also familiar with closed systems.
In this day and age localized food production is the key IMHO, I saw a story on TV where they catch salmon in Alaska, ship them to China for processing, then to NFL for secondary processing and then back to the west coast for sale. It made me sick.
There is a 5 million dollar a year market in Vancouver for tilapia alone, with only 10 percent supplied locally, and organic veggies and herbs are always in high demand. I was also thinking of growing orchids and flowers, although that would be secondary.
The worst thing that happens is that my friends and I have fresh fish and veggies. |
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Ringworm
User ID: 375754
2/18/2008 3:18 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Up around Alamosa Colorado there is a guy who started farming Tilapia using geothermal waters. You have to understand the elevation there is well over a mile high and sits in a valley between the San Juans to the west and the Sangre de cristos to the east. These mountain ranges both contain peaks that are up to 14000 feet in elevation. This can be an extremely unforgiving environment.
To deal with some of the waste and dead fish ect.. this guy brought in alligators. They have done very well even laying eggs outside in the summer months. Its a trip to see these 10 foot gators out sunning themselves among the snow and ice....no kidding.
Google gator farm alamosa co, I think they have a website?? |
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Sybil
Forum Sexpot
User ID: 367999
2/18/2008 3:32 AM
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Many people are learning survival skills and the subject of most survival posts centers around guns, gold and bug out bags.
I agree that those are important matters to consider however, they skip a very important, easily learned skill that can produce large quantites of food in a relatively small space even if the soil becomes fucked up - hydroponics.
It is faster, less suceptable to disease, and some have argued more nutricious than soil grown food. It can use 1/20 of the water needed to grow plants in soil and the yeild is phenominal.
For all of you that have shown interest in survival skills, this is a skill you should learn. It can be used for great benifit even if the shit doesn't hit the fan. Quoting: Juanwhoknows
Have you ever grown hydroponically? I have.Dirt is much better unless you live in the desert.Hydroponics are a hassle.You need electricity and nutrients to feed the plants with.The water's PH and temperature have to be just right.Unless you're growing lettuce,most plants get topheavy and need support.Hydroponic food production is not a survival skill.
Hydroponics would not be good if the shit hit the fan.Soil is the way to go. Learn to grow a garden in the ground,or in pots.Learn how to compost.That will enrich damaged land.Learn how to fish and jar-up food.Learn how to make candles and harvest honey.And learn how to build an outhouse.
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