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HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 86127
2/18/2008 8:08 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Bump for the Monday morning coffee drinkers |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 234672
2/18/2008 9:33 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Just last week I went to a hydro farm that is open to the public for U pick. I got pesticide free strawberries,spinach, and kale. He also has cukes,tomatoes,beans,lettuce,and much more as well as fresh blueberries to pick in April. He has them set up in rows on poles with each unit holding 20 containers. No bending over and breaking your back or walking in mud in the feilds. The poles also spin so you can reach all fruits, veggies etc. I found it absolutely amazing he had acres of these systems set up outdoors. They were only growing in pearlite and vermiculite with a hydro solution feeding them at intervals during the day. Oh, I forgot to mention, this was in Plant City, Fla. the strawberry capitol of the south. I plan on going back every two weeks to stock up on the veggies.
[link to www.parkehydro.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 10:03 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Just last week I went to a hydro farm that is open to the public for U pick. I got pesticide free strawberries,spinach, and kale. He also has cukes,tomatoes,beans,lettuce,and much more as well as fresh blueberries to pick in April. He has them set up in rows on poles with each unit holding 20 containers. No bending over and breaking your back or walking in mud in the feilds. The poles also spin so you can reach all fruits, veggies etc. I found it absolutely amazing he had acres of these systems set up outdoors. They were only growing in pearlite and vermiculite with a hydro solution feeding them at intervals during the day. Oh, I forgot to mention, this was in Plant City, Fla. the strawberry capitol of the south. I plan on going back every two weeks to stock up on the veggies.
[ link to www.parkehydro.com]
That looks like a cool place. I think I'll try strawberries. |
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Underground_Dude
User ID: 376035
2/18/2008 2:08 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I run a 80x100FT Aquaponics greenhouse with 12 tanks of fish and various forms of beds/containers. The fish run are Rainbow Trout and Kokanee Salmon, the veggies are anything under the sun including a few miniture fruit trees and some banana plants.
This system also feeds 40 acres of grain, 20 acres of fruit trees and a kitchen garden. Besides making heat for the house and all this at 11,000ft in CO. |
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Juanwhoknows nli
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 2:29 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I run a 80x100FT Aquaponics greenhouse with 12 tanks of fish and various forms of beds/containers. The fish run are Rainbow Trout and Kokanee Salmon, the veggies are anything under the sun including a few miniture fruit trees and some banana plants.
This system also feeds 40 acres of grain, 20 acres of fruit trees and a kitchen garden. Besides making heat for the house and all this at 11,000ft in CO. Quoting: Underground_Dude
Malu told us about you but he really understated it.
Your setup sounds very interesting. Do you have any pics or a website?
Could you describe the mechanism for creating heat for the house?
Thanks! |
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UD
User ID: 345992
2/18/2008 3:15 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Malu told us about you but he really understated it.
Your setup sounds very interesting. Do you have any pics or a website?
Could you describe the mechanism for creating heat for the house?
Thanks! Quoting: Juanwhoknows nli 375585
First the basics: We live in a 10,000+sqft home, 5 families 22 people total. 99.99% of our food is grown by us and what isn't grown is traded for.
NO PICS and NO WEBSITE. The idea is you can't find us even if you try.
The greenhouse is 3 sides of bermed dirt and rock and is built like a swimming pool filled with gravel and water. So sunlight hit the surface and is redistributed into the greenhouse. There are also pipes run through out the gravel that run from one end to the other. These pipes take the warm air out of the greenhouse and heat the gravel in the floor the gravel pit is about 12ft deep and is also filled with water so heat storage is massive. Then there is another set op pipes thats run from the greenhouse to the house used for heating. So the gravel pit in the greenhouse is the storage and also the plenum and the whole thing runs as a closed loop system.
I hope I described it so you could visualize it, it pretty much looks like a hill that's been dug out with glass on the front and facing south. For stealth the glass was coated with a camo pattern from the same place that buses get there murals over the windows. Light loss is about 7% with this coating but at 100yrds you don't even know it's there.
Does that make sense?
The aquaponics system was based after the one that the New Alchemy Institute designed in the early 70s. |
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UD
User ID: 357646
2/18/2008 3:27 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I should also mention: We are totally off the grid in that we produce the electricity also. We started out with wind then built a hydro unit of 50KW recently we have found geothermal on the property which now runs another 50KW unit.
With this I use supplement lighting because we can go weeks without adequate natural light. The supplement lighting is High pressure sodium and Metal Halide on pretty much a 2 to 1 bases. |
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malu 
User ID: 321190
2/18/2008 4:41 PM
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I should also mention: We are totally off the grid in that we produce the electricity also. We started out with wind then built a hydro unit of 50KW recently we have found geothermal on the property which now runs another 50KW unit.
With this I use supplement lighting because we can go weeks without adequate natural light. The supplement lighting is High pressure sodium and Metal Halide on pretty much a 2 to 1 bases. Quoting: UD 357646
could you write a book on this in your spare time? thanks :)
you say it feeds the grain and fruit trees? is that nutrients you get from the fish?
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 117066
2/18/2008 4:51 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
wow, you are doing what i am planning, except more secretive.
very impressive. |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/18/2008 5:04 PM
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ok,, methane digester,, been a few years since i even thought of that
could be used for heat or running a generator, which could be used for lighting
heat would not be much of a concern for you, with all the earth berming, and you have hydro and geothermal
hmmmmm?
i have a lot of studying to do, my last ten years have been compost and dirt
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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bilthy
User ID: 165856
2/18/2008 5:11 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
go to pot.tv they've got tons of videos on growing weed, substitute veggies for weed and you can figure out the rest.
weed needs ph 6.5 so you'll have to adjust the solution ph to whichever plants you decide to grow. you should also start your own seed bank, you can grow outside and let some of your plants go to seed so you''ll have some saved. seeds can keep up to 5 years in the freezer.
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UD
User ID: 376130
2/18/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
could you write a book on this in your spare time? thanks :)
you say it feeds the grain and fruit trees? is that nutrients you get from the fish? Quoting: malu
Not just the nutes but that's how it's irrigated as well. I also use the solids out of the methane digester's to put on the fields. They include all wastes both human and animal with field waste (hay, stems from wheat etc.) for the carbon component. Yes I have had it checked for pathogens and as long as it's fully digested there is no problem. You CAN'T put the waste from the digester's on the fields if any additional human or animal waste has been added recently.
I use a % of about 70-30 in the digester's (70 carbon 30 nitrogen) the carbon is the grasses and such the nitrogen is the POO.
Your asking the right questions! |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/18/2008 5:25 PM
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ah , very interesting
i have read that about human waste, if it is properly treated/digested
i am going to spend some time reading up on this!
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 317480
2/18/2008 5:26 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
ok,, methane digester,, been a few years since i even thought of that
could be used for heat or running a generator, which could be used for lighting
heat would not be much of a concern for you, with all the earth berming, and you have hydro and geothermal
hmmmmm?
i have a lot of studying to do, my last ten years have been compost and dirt Quoting: malu
Not to long ago (OK some months) I gave you a way of building a small scale methane digester using a 55 gal barrel and truck inner tubes remember that?
Mine is NOT that small but the same principle.
I also gave you an idea about building a cooler for doctors that was solar powered and used TEC units.
Methane digester: not only heating and water heating how about cooking. Anything natural gas does! Pun intended! |
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malu
User ID: 321190
2/18/2008 5:31 PM
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ok,, methane digester,, been a few years since i even thought of that
could be used for heat or running a generator, which could be used for lighting
heat would not be much of a concern for you, with all the earth berming, and you have hydro and geothermal
hmmmmm?
i have a lot of studying to do, my last ten years have been compost and dirt
Not to long ago (OK some months) I gave you a way of building a small scale methane digester using a 55 gal barrel and truck inner tubes remember that?
Mine is NOT that small but the same principle.
I also gave you an idea about building a cooler for doctors that was solar powered and used TEC units.
Methane digester: not only heating and water heating how about cooking. Anything natural gas does! Pun intended! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 317480
ah duh!
yeah i remember your ideas,, you are full of em! :)
well i have to run while i still can, blizzard is setting in for the lakeshore,, see ya'll later
When peaceful revolution becomes impossible, violent revolution becomes inevitable.
"Hard pressed on my right. My center is yielding. Impossible to maneuver. Situation excellent. I am attacking." |
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UD
User ID: 317480
2/18/2008 5:40 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Later MAlu |
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UD
User ID: 375409
2/18/2008 5:54 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
go to pot.tv they've got tons of videos on growing weed, substitute veggies for weed and you can figure out the rest.
weed needs ph 6.5 so you'll have to adjust the solution ph to whichever plants you decide to grow. you should also start your own seed bank, you can grow outside and let some of your plants go to seed so you''ll have some saved. seeds can keep up to 5 years in the freezer. Quoting: bilthy
While I DO NOT grown weed I have looked in to what the POT growers have been doing for some time. I find them way above what most growers are doing and I'm talking veggie growers. They are way behind in what some of us are doing.
DID YOU KNOW: That Kudzu has a growth hormone that make plants go wild?
It must be composted with care to destroy any seed but the growth hormone persists.
I NEVER sterilize my aquaponics units NEVER as the natural system will take over
I agree become your own seed conservatory and a hint they will last alot longer than you think and you don't need to freeze them.
Freezing will produce more female seed controversial yes but true in many studies. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 6:04 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Malu told us about you but he really understated it.
Your setup sounds very interesting. Do you have any pics or a website?
Could you describe the mechanism for creating heat for the house?
Thanks!
First the basics: We live in a 10,000+sqft home, 5 families 22 people total. 99.99% of our food is grown by us and what isn't grown is traded for.
NO PICS and NO WEBSITE. The idea is you can't find us even if you try.
The greenhouse is 3 sides of bermed dirt and rock and is built like a swimming pool filled with gravel and water. So sunlight hit the surface and is redistributed into the greenhouse. There are also pipes run through out the gravel that run from one end to the other. These pipes take the warm air out of the greenhouse and heat the gravel in the floor the gravel pit is about 12ft deep and is also filled with water so heat storage is massive. Then there is another set op pipes thats run from the greenhouse to the house used for heating. So the gravel pit in the greenhouse is the storage and also the plenum and the whole thing runs as a closed loop system.
I hope I described it so you could visualize it, it pretty much looks like a hill that's been dug out with glass on the front and facing south. For stealth the glass was coated with a camo pattern from the same place that buses get there murals over the windows. Light loss is about 7% with this coating but at 100yrds you don't even know it's there.
Does that make sense?
The aquaponics system was based after the one that the New Alchemy Institute designed in the early 70s. Quoting: UD 345992
Nice job of describing the set up. Do you use black plastic to absorb heat or is that overkill? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376153
2/18/2008 6:05 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
DON'T you talk to ME about hydroponics! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 6:08 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
go to pot.tv they've got tons of videos on growing weed, substitute veggies for weed and you can figure out the rest.
weed needs ph 6.5 so you'll have to adjust the solution ph to whichever plants you decide to grow. you should also start your own seed bank, you can grow outside and let some of your plants go to seed so you''ll have some saved. seeds can keep up to 5 years in the freezer.
While I DO NOT grown weed I have looked in to what the POT growers have been doing for some time. I find them way above what most growers are doing and I'm talking veggie growers. They are way behind in what some of us are doing.
DID YOU KNOW: That Kudzu has a growth hormone that make plants go wild?
It must be composted with care to destroy any seed but the growth hormone persists.
I NEVER sterilize my aquaponics units NEVER as the natural system will take over
I agree become your own seed conservatory and a hint they will last alot longer than you think and you don't need to freeze them.
Freezing will produce more female seed controversial yes but true in many studies. Quoting: UD 375409
Can someone comment on the differences between seeds vesus cloning?
Cost effectiveness, drawbacks, time to harvest. |
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UD
User ID: 333661
2/18/2008 6:15 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Nice job of describing the set up. Do you use black plastic to absorb heat or is that overkill? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 375585
Thanks! I'm not a writer and don't always describe what I do and see well I'm glad that I did here!
Black plastic where? Not in the greenhouse at all BUT I do use it very early in the season to warm the soil in the kitchen garden. |
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UD
User ID: 333661
2/18/2008 6:19 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
DON'T you talk to ME about hydroponics! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376153
OK! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375254
2/18/2008 6:27 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Deffinetly the future, I started hydro growing pot in 1985 with one from wal mart to grow tomatoes, funny they don't sell em now, But you can get the stuff else were. |
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UD
User ID: 345992
2/18/2008 6:30 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Can someone comment on the differences between seeds vesus cloning?
Cost effectiveness, drawbacks, time to harvest. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 375585
I DO NOT GROW WEED and yes I've read they do cloning a
lot with weed.
The way I see it they do this to preserve one particular female plant. In veggie gardening I (Myself) don;t want this much restriction. I want some diversity and I'm suprised the dope growers don't want the same but I'm not an expert in that.
Was this started as a thread to grow dope or veggies? IF it's to grow dope I'll back out as profits are not where I'm at and eating is.
Let me know because it seems you have an expert hydroponics dope grower on your hands. All I do is grow food for 22 people every day and know nothing about illegal activities in fact the cops come to the house at least twice a week to shoot. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 6:34 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Nice job of describing the set up. Do you use black plastic to absorb heat or is that overkill?
Thanks! I'm not a writer and don't always describe what I do and see well I'm glad that I did here!
Black plastic where? Not in the greenhouse at all BUT I do use it very early in the season to warm the soil in the kitchen garden. Quoting: UD 333661
Oh, I reread your post and my reference to black plastic is misplaced. I was thinking that if the floor of the green house was black plastic it might increase heat absorption in the cold months. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 6:35 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Can someone comment on the differences between seeds vesus cloning?
Cost effectiveness, drawbacks, time to harvest.
I DO NOT GROW WEED and yes I've read they do cloning a
lot with weed.
The way I see it they do this to preserve one particular female plant. In veggie gardening I (Myself) don;t want this much restriction. I want some diversity and I'm suprised the dope growers don't want the same but I'm not an expert in that.
Was this started as a thread to grow dope or veggies? IF it's to grow dope I'll back out as profits are not where I'm at and eating is.
Let me know because it seems you have an expert hydroponics dope grower on your hands. All I do is grow food for 22 people every day and know nothing about illegal activities in fact the cops come to the house at least twice a week to shoot. Quoting: UD 345992
Actually a read about the cloaning in a tomato book. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 6:40 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
If I recall correctly, it said that you could continue to grow a hybridized variety by cloning but using the seeds from the hybidized plant itself was very iffy. |
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UD
User ID: 374228
2/18/2008 6:56 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Actually a read about the cloaning in a tomato book. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 375585
I have done cloning with Tomatoes and I still ask myself WHY?
I use a fine paint brush to distribute pollen to selected plants. I like SOME diversity not a lot. I also run 4 bee hives in the greenhouse to get proper pollination. The flowers that have been cross pollinated with a specific plant are bagged. This is how I achieve the desired cross and not contaminate the rest of the crop.
I should mention I use ONLY heirloom seed and the stuff I cross is just for fun not to be used as a standard. Some times the ladies (There are 5) want something different. Who am I not to try?
As far as speed: WHY? Planning is more important but hey I'm an old fart!
The way I see it whether it's dope or veggies it's the quality not the quantity! Do you want mexican dirt weed or GOLD it's up to you. FYI I did say I've never smoked it I just don't now and haven't since 72 and I've never grown it. |
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Enigma
User ID: 70637
2/18/2008 6:59 PM
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nice setup UD...
I have a small setup at my house with two tanks... a hydro setup for my veggies and lots of citrus trees in 55 gallon containers cut in half...
I get LOTS of fruit off of them...
I've found that channel catfish are the best for me, as they take crowding and low oxygen very well, and are not as cold sensitive as the tilapia...
enigma
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Enigma
User ID: 70637
2/18/2008 7:01 PM
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Actually a read about the cloaning in a tomato book.
I have done cloning with Tomatoes and I still ask myself WHY?
I use a fine paint brush to distribute pollen to selected plants. I like SOME diversity not a lot. I also run 4 bee hives in the greenhouse to get proper pollination. The flowers that have been cross pollinated with a specific plant are bagged. This is how I achieve the desired cross and not contaminate the rest of the crop.
I should mention I use ONLY heirloom seed and the stuff I cross is just for fun not to be used as a standard. Some times the ladies (There are 5) want something different. Who am I not to try?
As far as speed: WHY? Planning is more important but hey I'm an old fart!
The way I see it whether it's dope or veggies it's the quality not the quantity! Do you want mexican dirt weed or GOLD it's up to you. FYI I did say I've never smoked it I just don't now and haven't since 72 and I've never grown it. Quoting: UD 374228
I do the same with my citrus... I have been breeding them for ten years trying to come up with a cold hardy citrus tree...
I use a small paintbrush...
though as warm as it's been, I've removed the greenhouse cover a bit early this year and we have bees working the blooms during the day...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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