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UD
User ID: 376180
2/18/2008 7:01 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Actually a read about the cloaning in a tomato book. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 375585
I have done cloning with Tomatoes and I still ask myself WHY?
I use a fine paint brush to distribute pollen to selected plants. I like SOME diversity not a lot. I also run 4 bee hives in the greenhouse to get proper pollination. The flowers that have been cross pollinated with a specific plant are bagged. This is how I achieve the desired cross and not contaminate the rest of the crop.
I should mention I use ONLY heirloom seed and the stuff I cross is just for fun not to be used as a standard. Some times the ladies (There are 5) want something different. Who am I not to try?
As far as speed: WHY? Planning is more important but hey I'm an old fart!
The way I see it whether it's dope or veggies it's the quality not the quantity! Do you want mexican dirt weed or GOLD it's up to you. FYI I did say I've never smoked it I just don't now and haven't since 72 and I've never grown it. |
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UD
User ID: 376190
2/18/2008 7:10 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I've found that channel catfish are the best for me, as they take crowding and low oxygen very well, and are not as cold sensitive as the tilapia...
enigma Quoting: Enigma
BRO: I come from East Texas and grew Catfish in water troughs pound of food per pound of food you can't compare! I went for 1lb for 1sqft how about you? |
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nosey guy
User ID: 327679
2/18/2008 7:31 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Hey UD have to say im a little green with envy..lol
You seem to have made a great lifestyle choice.
Not wanting to sound rude?
But how long have you been where you are? is it an on going "project" for a better word or was it built up first then move all move in?
just a nosey guy |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 8:33 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I've found that channel catfish are the best for me, as they take crowding and low oxygen very well, and are not as cold sensitive as the tilapia...
enigma
BRO: I come from East Texas and grew Catfish in water troughs pound of food per pound of food you can't compare! I went for 1lb for 1sqft how about you? Quoting: UD 376190
Can you do this with talapia? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 339070
2/18/2008 8:35 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
The experts on this subject are the pot growers that have been doing this for the last 20 years.
Sadly you wont see any of them post their thoughts here.. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375585 (OP)
2/18/2008 8:48 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
The experts on this subject are the pot growers that have been doing this for the last 20 years.
Sadly you wont see any of them post their thoughts here.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 339070
The difference is they do it inside and require lighting systems. Not very economical for food. |
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bilthy
User ID: 165856
2/19/2008 2:41 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
The experts on this subject are the pot growers that have been doing this for the last 20 years.
Sadly you wont see any of them post their thoughts here..
The difference is they do it inside and require lighting systems. Not very economical for food. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 375585
you'd want a closed or covered system as a simple trough or tray system would evaporate your water off quickly. plus you'd want a food that dissolves in water easily.
i've found that if you want to use compost you can do a hybrid (mostly)hydroponic system using perlite, peat (plus dolemitic lime to neutralize ph), and vermiculite in regular pots and mix in your own compost. it wouldn't be all fancy techno-like, and you'd water just like potted plants but it has been effective for me using square plastic bins with drain holes drilled in the bottom. this works great for cucumbers and tomatoes and peppers.
i also grow my veggies outdoor organically in soil burying leaves in the garden soil rotating different spots each year. free fertilizer works good all you need is a rake and a shovel. this works better for lettuce, spinach, brockley and cauliflower.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376515
2/19/2008 10:15 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
you'd want a closed or covered system as a simple trough or tray system would evaporate your water off quickly. plus you'd want a food that dissolves in water easily. Quoting: bilthy
I've seen some niffty systems made out of pvc pipe or pvc square fence post tubing. Don't know which is the best way to go in a hot climate. I've heard that aeroponics does not work well in high temps unless you chill the water (too much hassel). |
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Tangwystyl 
User ID: 354457
2/19/2008 10:17 AM
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I love this thread.. Fascinating..
Wow UD, you have quite the set up. Very cool, wish I was that self sufficient.
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The budget should be balanced,
the Treasury should be refilled,
the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled,
and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt.
People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.
Cicero - 55 BC
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376515
2/19/2008 12:27 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I love this thread.. Fascinating.. Quoting: Tangwystyl
I rather enjoy it myself. |
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Enigma
User ID: 70637
2/19/2008 12:34 PM
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I've found that channel catfish are the best for me, as they take crowding and low oxygen very well, and are not as cold sensitive as the tilapia...
enigma
BRO: I come from East Texas and grew Catfish in water troughs pound of food per pound of food you can't compare! I went for 1lb for 1sqft how about you? Quoting: UD 376190
same general area...
my uncle raised pond cats and I have several large galvanized water troughs I use...
I've also tried tilapia, but they are very cold sensitive and die if the water temps get below 50 ish...
catfish don't care...
also have done white bass and bream...
My pump setup runs on solar panels and batteries...
I'm re-tooling everything now to take care of some larger tanks I got and more solar panels...
Food aint no Enigma, but finding the time is...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376515
2/19/2008 3:53 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I've found that channel catfish are the best for me, as they take crowding and low oxygen very well, and are not as cold sensitive as the tilapia...
enigma
BRO: I come from East Texas and grew Catfish in water troughs pound of food per pound of food you can't compare! I went for 1lb for 1sqft how about you?
same general area...
my uncle raised pond cats and I have several large galvanized water troughs I use...
I've also tried tilapia, but they are very cold sensitive and die if the water temps get below 50 ish...
catfish don't care...
also have done white bass and bream...
My pump setup runs on solar panels and batteries...
I'm re-tooling everything now to take care of some larger tanks I got and more solar panels...
Food aint no Enigma, but finding the time is... Quoting: Enigma
How big are the fish tanks?
Are they metal or plastic? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376515
2/19/2008 8:19 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I've found that channel catfish are the best for me, as they take crowding and low oxygen very well, and are not as cold sensitive as the tilapia...
enigma
BRO: I come from East Texas and grew Catfish in water troughs pound of food per pound of food you can't compare! I went for 1lb for 1sqft how about you?
same general area...
my uncle raised pond cats and I have several large galvanized water troughs I use...
I've also tried tilapia, but they are very cold sensitive and die if the water temps get below 50 ish...
catfish don't care...
also have done white bass and bream...
My pump setup runs on solar panels and batteries...
I'm re-tooling everything now to take care of some larger tanks I got and more solar panels...
Food aint no Enigma, but finding the time is... Quoting: Enigma
I think talapia tastes much better than cat fish AND there is no hair on them. |
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Enigma
User ID: 373826
2/19/2008 9:42 PM
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the tanks are about 8 feet long and 2 feet wide. Are made of galvanized metal, and are used for livestock water troughs.
the sides are about 3 feet high, and I found with tilapia and perch, you had to have lids on the tanks, as any sudden bump or noise made them jump and sometimes they left the tank.
catfish are not so jumpy and don't hang out near the surface.
Enigma
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380094
2/24/2008 9:25 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
the tanks are about 8 feet long and 2 feet wide. Are made of galvanized metal, and are used for livestock water troughs.
the sides are about 3 feet high, and I found with tilapia and perch, you had to have lids on the tanks, as any sudden bump or noise made them jump and sometimes they left the tank.
catfish are not so jumpy and don't hang out near the surface.
Enigma Quoting: Enigma
How many fish/pounds of fish could you grow in one of these tanks? |
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Amaruca
User ID: 369984
2/24/2008 9:28 PM
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this is the set up you would use if we all lived on Mars. but since Monsanto is taking over all the farms and seeds then yeah we should start investing in hydroponics all around and heirloom seeds.
shit, before all this nazi shit hydroponics was for just growing weed.
"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization
"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep" |
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S. who C.
User ID: 380083
2/24/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
When there is little or no electrcity or distribution functioning,
you will not be working hydroponics,
but a shovel. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 374769
False, hydroponics could be done even without electricity if human handwork with basic technical instruction (very basic) is at hand. You want to do for yourself / family... and much more if it´s for self sustainance... it just can be done and quite a good idea.
The problem could be the feeding solutions, nutrients are to be extracted and that does requires energy and rocks. Nevertheless, there is plenty, just not well managed.
Best hopes for a better humankind,
S. who C. |
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Enigma
User ID: 373826
2/24/2008 9:32 PM
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the tanks are about 8 feet long and 2 feet wide. Are made of galvanized metal, and are used for livestock water troughs.
the sides are about 3 feet high, and I found with tilapia and perch, you had to have lids on the tanks, as any sudden bump or noise made them jump and sometimes they left the tank.
catfish are not so jumpy and don't hang out near the surface.
Enigma
How many fish/pounds of fish could you grow in one of these tanks? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380094
oh I never kept really good records...
I started with lot of babies, and would periodically cull them as they got bigger...
once all of them got to about 1 to 2 pounds, I harvested all of them and would sterilize the tanks and start over...
this was a HOBBY, not my main source of food and was done to learn more about it...
it is very labor intensive and until I got solar powered pumps and batteries, was 100% dependant on the grid...
Tilapia taste good, but were the most sensitive to cold.
catfish seemed to be the hardiest...
wish I could live somewhere that all I had to do was garden and grow fish....
as it is now, stuck int he rat race, making money and spinnin' my wheels in the city...
Enigma
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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Enigma
User ID: 373826
2/24/2008 9:36 PM
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the BEST book I found on the subject was Backyard Aquaponics by Rodale press...
good information that was grounded in reality...
best place to buy supplies is Aquatic Ecosystems in Apopka fl
[link to www.aquaticecosystems.com]
I bought some fry locally, but also seigned up a bunch every spring in the local lakes after april when they hatch...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
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A scientist who cares
User ID: 380083
2/24/2008 9:38 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Many people are learning survival skills and the subject of most survival posts centers around guns, gold and bug out bags.
I agree that those are important matters to consider however, they skip a very important, easily learned skill that can produce large quantites of food in a relatively small space even if the soil becomes fucked up - hydroponics.
It is faster, less suceptable to disease, and some have argued more nutricious than soil grown food. It can use 1/20 of the water needed to grow plants in soil and the yeild is phenominal.
For all of you that have shown interest in survival skills, this is a skill you should learn. It can be used for great benifit even if the shit doesn't hit the fan. Quoting: Juanwhoknows
Greetings, thanyou for addressing this promising technique... it rather would help to develop and implement large amounts of small and medium facilities and thought on survival not too much as "catastrophe survival". Here we are dealing we the very "survival" of human technical civilization on earth.
Thinking on this as a great solution is much wiser than looking at it as an individual/group particular self interest.
It´s for humankind and earth´s interest, don´t loose this point! We can do much better ; )
Good luck in your search
A scientist who cares |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 158854
3/1/2008 11:17 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Keep this under your hat but I heard that some folks may use "hydroponics" to grow pot.
Mind you, it's just a rumor. |
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Wraithwynd
User ID: 360108
3/1/2008 11:54 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I disagree.
hydroponics have their place, however when it comes to home grown food on planet earth then you need to think soil amendments, composting and organic gardening.
I raise enough to feed 4 people on a plot of lade 20 feet by 16 feet. This is a wide assortment of veg, that does not include a stable crop like corn or wheat - this means things ranging from lettuces to carrots, from onions to tomatoes with a "winter crop" of potato.
Your soil and how you amend it (mostly compost) will require less - far less - water if you mulch and prep the soil correctly and know which plants to plant when and how to preserve the water you have in the soil.
Since we are talking survival, we are talking about a period of time where additives and nutrients for your plants have to come from very local areas - like out of your own yard. hydroponics require excessive amounts of chemical fertilizers and then pumping equipment and a substrata of some material on which to root your plants.
Succession and compact planting methods are used by organic gardeners with great success - they can (and often do) get incredible yields from small plots of land.
Getting a plot of land say 20 x 20 feet to feed 5 people on your basic garden vegetables can take months if you are amending your soil to meet all the needs through truckloads of compost and semi-organic top soils, or it can take years if you are amending with composted material you make.
Without pots, pipes, pumps, pre-mixers, aerators, chemical additives, substrata to root plants - soil is the number one choice for survival farming. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 384887
3/14/2008 3:46 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
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Monica
User ID: 422233
4/24/2008 11:16 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Great thread..Hope to read more related topic.
Monica x |
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Grower
User ID: 413587
4/24/2008 11:23 AM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
If you can find a copy of the website Overgrow.com they had a HUGE amount of information on this matter. IMO if you couldn't buy the nutrients to put into the water your not going to have a hydro system. Nothing beats cow shit. well maybe bat poo? Seaweed? i guess depending on what your growing and what stage its in. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 440801
5/27/2008 12:09 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
I disagree.
hydroponics have their place, however when it comes to home grown food on planet earth then you need to think soil amendments, composting and organic gardening.
I raise enough to feed 4 people on a plot of lade 20 feet by 16 feet. This is a wide assortment of veg, that does not include a stable crop like corn or wheat - this means things ranging from lettuces to carrots, from onions to tomatoes with a "winter crop" of potato.
Your soil and how you amend it (mostly compost) will require less - far less - water if you mulch and prep the soil correctly and know which plants to plant when and how to preserve the water you have in the soil.
Since we are talking survival, we are talking about a period of time where additives and nutrients for your plants have to come from very local areas - like out of your own yard. hydroponics require excessive amounts of chemical fertilizers and then pumping equipment and a substrata of some material on which to root your plants.
Succession and compact planting methods are used by organic gardeners with great success - they can (and often do) get incredible yields from small plots of land.
Getting a plot of land say 20 x 20 feet to feed 5 people on your basic garden vegetables can take months if you are amending your soil to meet all the needs through truckloads of compost and semi-organic top soils, or it can take years if you are amending with composted material you make.
Without pots, pipes, pumps, pre-mixers, aerators, chemical additives, substrata to root plants - soil is the number one choice for survival farming. Quoting: Wraithwynd
Have you considered how you could grow in soil if it became contaminated? Or if you had to move your growing inside?
Much of your complaints about hydroponics are addressed with an aquaponic system. That is plants + fish (protein)As for the pumps - You must be hauling your water by hand? No -- what you are using pumps?
As for the water consumption. Where do you live? Summer time in the South is brutal, mulch or no mulch. |
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Juanwhoknows
User ID: 506785
9/20/2008 9:18 PM
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Let's get this thing going again.
Some people are going to need it.
"One can evade reality, but one cannot evade the consequences of evading reality." --- Ayn Rand |
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OneAngryMom
User ID: 506709
9/20/2008 9:23 PM
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aquaponics is even better. fish produce waste, which is used to feed the plants, and you get fish and produce from one system. you can even feed some fish the plants you grew.
deadly easy and been around since ancient times. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 372258
BINGO.....and can survive in most climates
seems complicated to get set up, but we're working on it here at our house, too. Not as costly for set up and can be really pretty, as well as practical. |
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Douggie
User ID: 507196
9/20/2008 9:24 PM | | Re: HYDROPONICS -- A VITAL SURVIVAL SKILL FOR THE FUTURE | Quote |
Many people are learning survival skills and the subject of most survival posts centers around guns, gold and bug out bags.
I agree that those are important matters to consider however, they skip a very important, easily learned skill that can produce large quantites of food in a relatively small space even if the soil becomes fucked up - hydroponics.
It is faster, less suceptable to disease, and some have argued more nutricious than soil grown food. It can use 1/20 of the water needed to grow plants in soil and the yeild is phenominal.
For all of you that have shown interest in survival skills, this is a skill you should learn. It can be used for great benifit even if the shit doesn't hit the fan. Quoting: Juanwhoknows
Although easy to grow with. Its going to be hard without electricity, running water ect.
They have the power to create reality
I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.
By the way....which ones pink? |
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aaron_o.o
User ID: 487215
9/20/2008 9:25 PM
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thanks for the link.
I had a friend with a huge hydroponics setup.. But it wasn't for veggies.. lol
He's in jail now. doh! Quoting: Tangwystyl
check out a vid called Never Get Busted Again! ; )
it is good for everyone who is into weed(not just growers)
[link to www.torrentz.com]
"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization
"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep" |
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