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Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters

 
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Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters
U.S. skies were as deadly as Korea
Billy Cox
Published Monday, Feb. 18, 2008 at 10:27 a.m.

In the summer of 1952, the Pentagon’s kettle was whistling.

At a time when the U.S. was bracing for Soviet air strikes, UFOs were systematically exposing holes in the defense netting with publicized incursions over Washington, D.C., nuclear plants and military bases. USAF Maj. Gen. Robert Ramey went on record saying jet fighters had been scrambled several hundred times to pursue UFOs. Not surprisingly, the brass decided to get aggressive.

On July 29, the International News Service announced “The Air Force revealed today that jet pilots have been placed on a 24 hour nationwide alert against ‘flying saucers’ with orders to shoot them down if they refused to land.” The order was so provocative that Robert Farnsworth, president of the U.S. Rocket Society, wrote a letter of protest to the White House. Hostile action against UFOs, Farnsworth wrote, “could cause unbelievable suffering and death.”

After the ‘52 wave had subsided, Capt. Edward Ruppelt, former director of the USAF’s Project Blue Book, revealed that UFOs — contrary to an emerging opinion suggesting peaceful intentions – weren’t to be trifled with.

In alluding to the loss of military pilots who gave chase, he wrote, "If the Air Force hadn't slapped down the security lid, these writers might not have reached this conclusion (about peaceful aliens). There have been other and more lurid duels of death. That's what everybody missed.''

Ruppelt didn’t elaborate, but Port Orange author Frank Feschino tries to connect the dots in his 2007 book, “Shoot Them Down.” Using New York Times figures, Feshino notes that the military lost 185 fighter aircraft over the U.S. and its coastal waters from 1951-56, versus 104 fighter planes downed in the Korean War during roughly half that same time period. On the domestic front, those crashes claimed the lives of 199 aviators in what were labeled as accidents.

It may be impossible to get to the bottom of all those “accidents.” As William E. Burrows pointed out in 2001, deception is the cornerstone of national security.

In “By Any Means Necessary: America’s Secret Air War in the Cold War,” Burrows described how, from 1950-69, 18 planes with more than 160 U.S. airmen and agents were lost during covert operations against communist nations. In order to avoid embarrassment, authorities told survivors their sons, husbands, fathers, and brothers were killed during routine missions.

Maybe those events include some of Ruppet’s “lurid” casualties as well, who knows. But Feschino’s exhaustive research — which includes newspaper accounts of carnage on the ground when downed jets crashed into residential neighborhoods — indicates The Times’ accident figures are incomplete. He also establishes a pattern between UFO sightings and routine-mission “accidents.”

Feschino’s riskiest scenario occurs on Sept. 12, 1952, when sightings over the eastern seaboard were widespread and documented in the press. Thanks to inconsistencies and contradictions in Air Force records, Feschino projects that a dogfight started that afternoon over the Gulf of Mexico near Tampa, engaged other jets off the Virginia coast during the early evening, and resulted in several direct hits on UFOs, one of which went down in West Virginia in front of eyewitnesses. A military search team was dispatched to recover debris near the rural town of Flatwoods.

At least one thing about “Shoot Them Down” is indisputable. Based on newspaper reports, the number of 1952 UFO incidents listed in Project Blue Book is underrepresented. The relevance for today? The military reported no routine training accidents during last month’s Stephenville UFO incident in Texas.

“I think they learned their lesson (from 1952),” Feschino says.
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Re: Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters
My mother saw these UFOs when she was a kid. She used to tell me about it when I was a kid. She saw three of them. They looked like hubcaps in the sky and they just hung there for a while and then left at high speed. Seems that was in 1952 when there was a supposed concerted effort to shoot one of these things down. I never believed my mom until I read about all this stuff that went on the year she claims to have saw one. When she was about 5 or 6.
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Re: Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters
My mother saw these UFOs when she was a kid. She used to tell me about it when I was a kid. She saw three of them. They looked like hubcaps in the sky and they just hung there for a while and then left at high speed. Seems that was in 1952 when there was a supposed concerted effort to shoot one of these things down. I never believed my mom until I read about all this stuff that went on the year she claims to have saw one. When she was about 5 or 6.
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Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and The big bopper.Could their plane crash have been part of an attack on anything that flew?

I was abducted as a child by one of the foot soldiers,commonly called grays.And taken to a subterranean holding cell.There was another kid in a cell next to mine.The cells were egg shaped btw.But they took the other kid to a chamber over looking an abyss.Out in the darkness I could hear someone speaking in an unfamiliar language.They placed the kid into another egg shaped sphere and he was slowly digested in liquid and eaten by the ones I couldnt see. I didnt escape.They sent me back when i began to scream out the name of Jesus Christ.
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Re: Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters
Was the F-104 Starfighter designed to intercept UFOs? Designed by Lockheed's "Skunkworks" in the early 1950s as a supersonic interceptor. Look at its tiny wings - it's almost more of a rocket than an airplane, and it had a terrible safety record

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
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Re: Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters
More weirdness from that era

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Re: Air Force reveals Dogfights between UFO's and Jet Fighters
Was the F-104 Starfighter designed to intercept UFOs? Designed by Lockheed's "Skunkworks" in the early 1950s as a supersonic interceptor. Look at its tiny wings - it's almost more of a rocket than an airplane, and it had a terrible safety record

[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 326428

good call

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