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Visually CONFIRMED by RASC Astronomer! THE SHOOTDOWN HAS CREATED A "massive cloud of metallic shards travelling at 5 miles per second"!!

 
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GREAT find, Natasha! Thank you!
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14K and change just ain't going to make your challenge...
I will keep looking...
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10:30 cst me and my brother saw a very faint light 'contrail' looking thing high up in the clear sky.


I saw it quite distinct in the sky around 9pm to 10pm from Toronto, Canada (looking towards the moon eclipse) It was a white streak heading towards the moon



yup. what was the original path of the satellite.

sounds just like what i saw, kind of going past the moon.

are you EST or CST? you may have saw it quickly after me, although we might have seen it at the same time because i'ts moving incredibly fast.
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I'm EST. I thought it looked so bizarre that I stood out in sub zero weather staring at it. Streaked across the sky looking south east from Toronto and the streak of white was heading towards the moon from West to East.
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GREAT find, Natasha! Thank you!

14K and change just ain't going to make your challenge...
I will keep looking...
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GREAT find, Natasha! Thank you!

14K and change just ain't going to make your challenge...
I will keep looking...
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There is nothing in the Russian inventory that can do 20,000 pounds to 58.5 except the PROTON.

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

And it is not man rated, so there is that problem to work around.

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Shine On Crazy Diamond for my mates in Australia...

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great descriptions like these make for excellent reasons to watch skies. thanks skanda.
I just got in from skywatching. I'm in TC's 45n93w. Might have gone out a couple minutes late. It's frikken 10 below zero out there! Sky is crystal clear except for extremely long horizontal cloud bands that stretch from WNW to ESE as far as I can see in both directions. Like contrails in a wide band of multiple streaks across roughly 1/8 the width of the visible sky. The moon(it's back) is making some of them shine a with an almost electric glow - reminding me of northern lights. Weird night.
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.


So I read stuff like this:


Navy Missile Blasts Satellite, Fuel Tank Likely Destroyed

" Any remaining debris it said "should re-enter within 40 days." The Navy hopes that any pieces of the satellite that do not burn will land in the ocean."

[link to www.foxnews.com]


and I think,

why we couldn't just pick that satellite by the Space shuttle

and fix it in the cargo bay,

or just shred the secret evidence...

we are able to fly outside ISS

and fix solar panels,

retrieve and return to earth another satellites,


why this one need to be killed?


anybody have explanation?



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Good piece on the PROTON booster.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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.


So I read stuff like this:


Navy Missile Blasts Satellite, Fuel Tank Likely Destroyed

" Any remaining debris it said "should re-enter within 40 days." The Navy hopes that any pieces of the satellite that do not burn will land in the ocean."

[link to www.foxnews.com]


and I think,

why we couldn't just pick that satellite by the Space shuttle

and fix it in the cargo bay,

or just shred the secret evidence...

we are able to fly outside ISS

and fix solar panels,

retrieve and return to earth another satellites,


why this one need to be killed?


anybody have explanation?



.caruso
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too low too fast.
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too low too fast.
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.

thanks.
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Good piece on the PROTON booster.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Moonwolf

thank you, going to check it out...

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They just get better, every time you listen.
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.


So I read stuff like this:


Navy Missile Blasts Satellite, Fuel Tank Likely Destroyed

" Any remaining debris it said "should re-enter within 40 days." The Navy hopes that any pieces of the satellite that do not burn will land in the ocean."

[link to www.foxnews.com]


and I think,

why we couldn't just pick that satellite by the Space shuttle

and fix it in the cargo bay,

or just shred the secret evidence...

we are able to fly outside ISS

and fix solar panels,

retrieve and return to earth another satellites,


why this one need to be killed?


anybody have explanation?



.caruso
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Yup, this question has been covered at some leength.

The single biggest reason you don't do a shuttle mission is you can't get the shuttle to a 58.5 degree orbit.

There are a number of other reasons, but that is the big swinger.

And, the spacecraft that was destroyed was not a NASA mission. Did everyone forget that?
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Good piece on the PROTON booster.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

thank you, going to check it out...

You just can't go wrong with Pink Floyd.

They just get better, every time you listen.
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Yup, the best that ever was for my money.
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Then again... Maybe that was the point.. to knock out all other satellites. Then no one would have any.
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Just on the Ch10 TV news brief
Adelaide South Australia "on alert for falling space junk,"
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Oh great hope a bit falls in me garden, like a souvenir..:)
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Then again... Maybe that was the point.. to knock out all other satellites. Then no one would have any.
 Quoting: NightWisp


The laws of physics make that a very silly, and utterly unworkable idea.

If you really want to take out spacecraft there are far easier, faster and cheaper ways to do it.
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Good piece on the PROTON booster.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Moonwolf


Well, that rang a bell for my husband. It was a big oh yea, then he started explaining 3 stage or something on the Saturn. No failures on the Saturn. And then the Apollos, Etc.

Aaaahaa...How fun the world can be with knowledge.
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But it does sound to me that the person you heard may not have either known as much as he wanted you to believe, or he was not as clear as he should have been.

The debris already had orbital velocity. It was already in orbit. This point seems to be escaping too many commentators.
 Quoting: Moonwolf



It was a Commander Tim Keane.

They re-ran part of his statement at 2 am, it would have been on CBS radio news.
 Quoting: perp 181167




Here he is.


[link to www.LegionellaRM.com]

Experience:

20 Years USCG Commander, Ret. Maritime consultant-expert since 1989.

Tim Keane has been involved in legionella outbreak investigations, litigations, and remediation programs.

He has had articles published on the topic in national and international technical journals. He coauthored a book on the subject of controlling pathogens during healthcare facility construction.

He is a member of the ASHRAE Guideline 12 committee, "Minimizing the Risk of Legionellosis Associated with Building Water Systems" and is a cowriter of the JCAHO Waterborne Pathogen Regulatory Advisory.

Mr. Keane is a graduate of the United States Merchant Marine Academy in Kings Point, NY where he recieved his B.S. in Marine Engineering and a U.S.C.G. Marine Engineering license. He has over 10 years experience in facility design, operation and maintenance management positions and over 15 years experience in water system consulting.
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And, the spacecraft that was destroyed was not a NASA mission. Did everyone forget that?
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NASA is part of the Executive branch. Same as NASA working with the NRO in the past.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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And, the spacecraft that was destroyed was not a NASA mission. Did everyone forget that?


NASA is part of the Executive branch. Same as NASA working with the NRO in the past.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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It still was not a NASA mission.

You seem to have trouble with the chjain of command?
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GREAT find, Natasha! Thank you!

14K and change just ain't going to make your challenge...
I will keep looking...

What challenge?
 Quoting: SHR



Hey, SHR.
I guess it wasn't so much a challenge...he asked if anyone could show their math of a larger sat, then the reported 5000 lb satellite being fired upon, to show the math on how the Delta II could push the 20000 pounds to a 58.5 orbit.
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But it does sound to me that the person you heard may not have either known as much as he wanted you to believe, or he was not as clear as he should have been.

The debris already had orbital velocity. It was already in orbit. This point seems to be escaping too many commentators.




It was a Commander Tim Keane.

They re-ran part of his statement at 2 am, it would have been on CBS radio news.




Here he is.


[link to www.LegionellaRM.com]

Experience:

20 Years USCG Commander, Ret. Maritime consultant-expert since 1989.

Tim Keane has been involved in legionella outbreak investigations, litigations, and remediation programs.

He has had articles published on the topic in national and international technical journals. He coauthored a book on the subject of controlling pathogens during healthcare facility construction.

He is a member of the ASHRAE Guideline 12 committee, "Minimizing the Risk of Legionellosis Associated with Building Water Systems" and is a cowriter of the JCAHO Waterborne Pathogen Regulatory Advisory.

Mr. Keane is a graduate of the United States Merchant Marine Academy in Kings Point, NY where he recieved his B.S. in Marine Engineering and a U.S.C.G. Marine Engineering license. He has over 10 years experience in facility design, operation and maintenance management positions and over 15 years experience in water system consulting.
 Quoting: perp 181167




here is another site on Mr. Tim Keane

[link to www.expertwitness.com]
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Unfortunately, Cmdr. Keane did not consult with Moonwolf before making such an absurd statement. I'm sure he would have corrected him.
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I suppose a waterborne pathogen specialist is good to have around when you're poisoning the environment.
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Unfortunately, Cmdr. Keane did not consult with Moonwolf before making such an absurd statement. I'm sure he would have corrected him.
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My expertise is in engineering, not water borne illness.
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Good piece on the PROTON booster.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Well, that rang a bell for my husband. It was a big oh yea, then he started explaining 3 stage or something on the Saturn. No failures on the Saturn. And then the Apollos, Etc.

Aaaahaa...How fun the world can be with knowledge.
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Indeed, a little knowleddge is a wonderful spice to life!
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moonwolf,

I'm curious how you found glp?
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I arrive where I am needed. ;-)
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Good piece on the PROTON booster.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Well, that rang a bell for my husband. It was a big oh yea, then he started explaining 3 stage or something on the Saturn. No failures on the Saturn. And then the Apollos, Etc.

Aaaahaa...How fun the world can be with knowledge.



Indeed, a little knowleddge is a wonderful spice to life!
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Hey, I checked out that cats website more.
Man, that was cool. they have videos up and everything.
Those cats are beautiful. But, they really aren't classified as rescue. Only on special occasion.
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Any more sightings from down under???

About 1 hour after the launch of the missile there was a an enormous sound on my roof. I am concerned.
Absolutely serious.

Snowing, so will have to check in morning.

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