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| Hanged Man 
The Visionary Co-Creator
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2/22/2008 4:40 PM
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A possible alien triangular robotic probe has been discovered entombed in Ordovician rocks (450 million years old?) under the Beth Hillel Cemetery, near Pine Bush, NY.
It is only seven feet below the current erosional surface. It has been reactivated and is actively sending out signals into space. The History Channel is doing a documentary on this amazing find, which will be aired in February 2008 (maybe March).
[link to www.monmouth.com]
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Word is, the previous marshlands were being systematically "surveyed" by large un-maned robotic ships that had landed on Earth. Evidently, while doing a grid pattern (archeological evidence reveals a grid pattern with numerous footprints where the machine would settle for an analysis) survey a cataclysmic event occured that the machine was not prepared to react to soon enough, and was buried by a significant amount of earth and rock.
Its getting out, but BIG CORP will probably do the same thing they did to Mel's Hole realestate - condemn it and take over.
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/22/2008 4:49 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
If this were true we wouldn't know about it! |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/22/2008 4:52 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
BOLLOCKS |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/22/2008 4:54 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
the slide show is pitch black |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 311443
2/22/2008 4:54 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
Oh give me a break. |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/22/2008 4:56 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
the slide show is pitch black Quoting: Anonymous Coward 361885
Same for me. If there are pics then WTF where are they!!! |
| Icarus223
User ID: 378014
2/22/2008 4:57 PM
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Um.... "The War of the Worlds"
sounds vaguely familiar.
" CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR." |
| Deisi
User ID: 351254
2/22/2008 4:59 PM
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A possible alien triangular robotic probe has been discovered entombed in Ordovician rocks (450 million years old?) under the Beth Hillel Cemetery, near Pine Bush, NY. Quoting: Hanged Man
That's stupid.
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| BarbecueBob
User ID: 378810
2/22/2008 5:00 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
I know what's going to happen! The ground will crack open, and huge tripodlike robots will emerge! They will commence killing all humans they encounter! They will chase Tom Cruise and Dakota Fanning all over the goddamned place! Then, the aliens piloting the tripods will all catch bad colds and drop fucking dead! I have seen these things in a vision! Then, when that vision was over, I watched porn until I fell asleep. |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/22/2008 5:00 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
The pic appears to be blank: the entire picture that is supposed to be proof is "black".
[link to www.unifiedworlds.com]
Would like to know if anyone else sees anything different? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378807
2/22/2008 5:02 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
I have a more important question. WHY DOES SOMETHING WITH NO PROOF GET A PIN???? |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/22/2008 5:05 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
Ban the twat who pinned this! |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:05 PM
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SHAWANGUNK -- Bill Wiand doesn't know who they are or what they want. But he knows what he has seen and it is enough to tell him there is life out there, from some far away part of our universe or maybe even another dimension.
''I did recently have a visitation and it terrified me,'' he said. ''It started like it always does, with the noise in my ears and it just kind of rumbles through. I couldn't move my body, but I could move my eyes and I knew the room was filled with entities.''
Wiand was talking at the most recent meeting of the United Friends Observer Society or UFOS, which describes itself as a ''support group for those who have seen UFOs, would like to see a UFO, or have experienced contact with a UFO.''
''We're here for anyone who needs us to help them through their experiences,'' explained Sue Wiand, who with her husband Bill and Newburgh couple Sue and John Mann, run UFOS.
Sue Mann, who was listening, added: ''Also, we're here for anyone who is interested. We don't make any judgments.''
The group was founded 10 years ago in nearby Pine Bush, Orange County, an area considered ground zero for UFO sightings in the Northeast and made famous among UFO circles by the late Ellen Crystall's 1994 book ''Silent Invasion: The Shocking Discoveries of a UFO Researcher.''
[link to www.pinebushufo.com]
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:07 PM
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From near and far
Although sightings in the area are said to have been on the decline for the past several years, a meeting last week drew more than 30 people, some from as far as New Jersey and Connecticut. They sat on bridge chairs around folding tables in a fluorescent-lit former one-room schoolhouse that now serves as a town recreation center and the setting for UFOS's once-a-month meetings.
One after another, they introduced themselves. Most had no news to report. Often, the conversation veered into a discussion of the paranormal. A young woman from Connecticut and middle-aged man from Putnam County agreed they felt dramatic changes in their ''energy'' over the last week and speculated as to the cause.
''I have this sense from people to get ready because there's going to be a wave of new sightings,'' added Pat Carlone, a member of the Connecticut branch of the Mutual UFO Network, a national organization based in Texas.
Carlone has been driving to the UFOS meetings from his home in Danbury for the past 10 years. Although he said he has never seen what he believes to be a UFO, Carlone, an electrical engineer by trade, has made the study of them -- and the people who do claim to see them -- a passion.
''The fun of it is to figure out the psychology and science of why some people are seeing them,'' he said after the meeting.
He was chatting with some other attendees near the alien-decorated cake Sue Wiand brought to celebrate her husband's birthday.
''I have a good feeling that there is another intelligence,'' Carlone continued. ''What it is -- whether it is some part of our military or something outside of us -- I don't know.''
Bruce Cornet, who holds a doctoral degree in geology and has been studying UFO activity in the area for more than a decade, has been trying to marshal scientific documentation to back up his own experiences. As people were filing into the meeting, he described to a handful of listeners what he believes was his first alien abduction -- back in 1981 -- which he has remembered only through hypnosis.
''They immobilized me and undressed me and put this device on my genitals and took a sperm sample,'' Cornet said.
After overcoming his paralysis, Cornet said he tried to free himself. But the aliens, whom he described as humanoid but ''looking like they were 2,000 years old, shriveled up, with jaundiced skin,'' stunned him with a probe to his forehead.
Cornet considers the possibility that many of the UFOs spotted locally may in fact be military aircraft, flying in and out of Stewart Airport. But like other UFO-ologists, Cornet is not totally satisfied with that answer.
''What would the military be parading super secret aircraft through farm fields for?'' he asked.
Once the last of the stragglers had left the old schoolhouse, a small group struck off for one of the dark side roads off Route 52 to look once more to the skies. But it was a slow night, heavy with fog that eventually grew so thick it dimmed even the glow of a golden half moon.
''Ooh,'' said a woman from New City in Rockland County, who gave her name only as Beverly. ''This fog is eerie.''
''Yeah,'' said a man from Cherry Hill, N.J. ''It's like that movie 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind.' ''
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:08 PM
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June 15, 2003
Believers keep eye on Pine Bush sky
By Beth Quinn
Times Herald-Record
bquinn@th-record.com
During the cleanup at Ground Zero two years ago, a National Guard reservist took some photographs of the site.
When he got them developed, he noticed dozens of round, blue, semi-opaque spots in the pictures. He showed the photos to his pal, Jim Smith.
"My friend figured there was something wrong with the film," said Smith, a 49-year-old sergeant at Woodbourne Correctional Facility. "But I knew what they were right away."
Smith told his friend that the camera had captured images of orbs also called Tesla globes. He explained that the orbs are associated with UFO and alien activity on Earth. They can't be seen with the naked eye. They show up only on film.
And he told his friend that he'd never seen so many orbs in one place before.
"You mean to tell me you've seen these things before?" his friend asked.
"Of course," Smith said. "All the time. After all, I'm from Pine Bush."
* * *
For more than two decades, Pine Bush has been considered the UFO capital of the Northeast.
Since the 1980s, local residents and visiting ufologists have reported hundreds of phenomena in the town and surrounding area: photographs of Tesla globes (some of them containing aliens called "grays" sitting in lotus position); sightings of lighted boomerang-shaped spacecraft, called "triangles"; interdimensional gateways; and alien abductions.
In 1994, the now-deceased ufologist Ellen Crystall chronicled her own 11-year investigation into alien activity in Pine Bush in her book, "Silent Invasion." Magazine articles, talk shows and TV documentaries followed.
It's been a while, though. The media attention has died down. Some newcomers might not even know they've moved to an area famous for its alien activity.
So what exactly is going on in Pine Bush? Have the aliens pulled up stakes and gone back to their planet? Or is Pine Bush still a UFO hot spot?
"It's just part of our lives," said Sue Wiand, who lives in nearby Walker Valley. "I hear stories of sightings all the time standing in line at the grocery store."
At the moment, she said, nine out of 10 sightings occur in the portion of Pine Bush that lies in the Town of Shawangunk near Oregon Trail, Indian Springs Road and Galeville Road.
In fact, there's a bridge on Galeville Road that just won't stay painted.
"They have to paint it over and over," Wiand said. "That area is known as a UFO landing area, so maybe the heat from the craft peels the paint off."
Whether you're a believer or not, there is no question that something is still going on in Pine Bush.
Just listen to those who've been there when it's happened. They're regular folks with regular lives who happen to be well acquainted with the others who inhabit Pine Bush. These are their stories, in their own words.
* * *
I'm out on the road sky-watching a lot. One night I was out on a little country road near the Jewish cemetery (Congregation Beth Hillel Cemetery on Route 52).
It was a little damp with ground fog coming and going. Then the fog enveloped the truck. I started seeing silhouettes of people. At one point, a guy on a bike came right at the truck. He should have hit the windshield, but he didn't. He just disappeared.
I sat there for half an hour watching. It was like the truck was parked in an alley between two tall buildings maybe 6 feet in and facing outward toward a busy street. All kinds of pedestrian traffic was walking past the alley opening through the fog. They were normal human size, but silhouettes. I couldn't see any faces.
But it was a busy, busy street in some other dimension, right there on a back country road in Pine Bush.
Tony "Smoothie" Stevens, 56, Pine Bush,
retired lieutenant, Department of Correctional Services
* * *
My husband, John, doesn't like to talk about his encounters. They've been happening since he was 3 years old, and they make him very angry, very scared. He's retired from the Rockland County Sheriff's Department, and he doesn't scare easily. But this scares him.
His most recent encounter happened when he was driving home from work. He got out at midnight, so it was late. His whole car was suddenly enveloped in angel hair stuff that's like white Christmas tree icicles. It's associated with lots of people's encounters.
He knew what was coming, and it made him angry. He grabbed his steering wheel hard, very tight. "Why are you doing this to me again? Why?" he said.
The next thing he recalls was lying on a table with two beings nearby. They were speaking in their own language, but John could understand them.
One said, "He'll be able to do it." The other one said, "No, he's too angry."
And then John was in his car again. The angel hair had dissipated. He could drive again.
Susan Mann, 47, Town of Newburgh
* * *
A lot of people in Pine Bush talk about abduction. That's real common around here.
I was taken when I was 11, but I had been seeing them most of my life.
When I was taken, there were bright lights, a table. They'd get close and I couldn't move away from them. One held up a needle and I could see it glistening. He jabbed it into my head behind my ear. I blacked out.
When they returned me, they put me back in bed wrong. My feet were on the pillow. I guess they didn't know the difference.
I've looked for explanations. I don't know what it was, but I know what it wasn't. It wasn't sleep paralysis. It wasn't epilepsy.
There are different kinds, different sizes of beings. The most common are the "grays" they're small, 3- to 4-feet tall. There are also the "Nordics" beings with large blue eyes and fine blond hair.
It's not OK for them to be doing this. No one, no matter who, has the right to do this to us.
John DiTuro, 40, Pine Bush,
computer engineer
* * *
I've seen so many of the beings, I know exactly how they move. They're different sizes, different shapes, but when you see them so much, you know they're not of this earth.
Not long ago, I saw this figure about 6 foot 6 and dressed all in black standing beneath the traffic light in Pine Bush.
I said to Hilda (my fiancée), "What's that woman doing?"
Hilda said, "Oh my God, I thought I was the only one who saw the thing."
When she moved, it wasn't like walking. It wasn't in frames, either, like most of them move. In frames, they're someplace and then they're suddenly in another place, like time-lapse photography.
But this one moved horizontally.
In Pine Bush, you see things you don't expect. I've seen a cat with no head walking across the floor. It just had a piece of cardboard where the head should be. A lot of people in Pine Bush tell me they've seen that cat.
But not everyone can see the cat or the beings. You have to be open to things like that.
Jim Smith, 49, Pine Bush,
sergeant, Woodbourne Correctional Facility
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:08 PM
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Older News Reports:
August 03, 2001
Owner predicts Pine Bush diner will launch with flying colors
By Nathan Hegedus
The Times Herald-Record
nhegedus@th-record.com
Pine Bush Something mysterious is landing in Pine Bush.
A shiny object with lots of curves, it's got the locals buzzing.
It's not a UFO, though Pine Bush is famous for them it's a diner called the Cup and Saucer.
It's not finished yet. But when the retro diner opens in early September, the Cup and Saucer will be decorated with alien-inspired pictures and articles. The logo will be a UFO zooming through the sky.
"We live in a nostalgic period," says owner Dino Mavros. "Here the old with the new will come together. People here can't wait."
Pine Bush doesn't have a full-fledged diner. There are Italian restaurants, delis, pizza places, fast food and Asian food, but no diners.
"We won't have to eat pizza, pizza, or pizza," says Terri Kirk, manager of the Schuyler Crossing senior citizens apartments, who adds that the diner has been the buzz of the center.
And if the local population can't support a diner, more people are coming lots more.
Mavros is building across the street from new condos, with more on the way. He's across the street from Pine Bush's only hotel. He's down the road from a senior citizens complex, and near a proposed office building.
The Town of Crawford's population jumped by about a quarter in the 1990s, with plenty of growth in nearby Ulster County.
Mavros figures all these people will want a full-service diner, with all kinds of food at all hours. He figures local kids don't want to keep driving to Bloomingburg to go to a diner.
He seems to be right.
"The diner's going to be the new hangout," says Monica Quartarone, 16, waiting for a friend to get her hair cut at Hair We Are!, in a complex near the diner. "There's nothing to do in Pine Bush."
Mavros loves the whole thing the UFO theme, every retro diner detail, bringing his teen-age son into the business.
He's owned a diner before. But then he got into wholesale he still supplies hundreds of diners then real estate. Now he's back.
"People up here can't wait, from insurance agents to state troopers," he says. "We're coming in on the ground floor. This is the right time at the right place."
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378807
2/22/2008 5:09 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
If this guy can find a robot ship then why can't he find out how to remove his lens cap before taking pics and making slide shows of nothing??? |
| FreeFlow
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2/22/2008 5:09 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
It works with IE only as it obviously needs some Active-X elements that only are provided with IE ...
The slides show drawings or maps with comments ...
The beginning is nigh ... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378807
2/22/2008 5:11 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
It works with IE only as it obviously needs some Active-X elements that only are provided with IE ... Quoting: FreeFlow
Thanks, I will get off Firefox and go see. |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:11 PM
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Keep watching the skies
PINE BUSH: Members of a UFO club hope to shed light on mysterious sightings.
By Stephanie Pass
Record Correspondent
He was only 8 when he first spotted the strange, colorful lights in the sky, mysteriously appearing and disappearing.
It's something he's seen his whole life, but didn't talk about for decades, until he learned that hundreds of others had also seen the unidentified objects zooming across the still sky.
"I've seen them since early childhood," said John Mann of the Town of Newburgh. "It got to the point where I just needed to talk to somebody about it."
And in 1993, the perfect forum came to town, in the form of the United Friends Observers Society. The club its acronym aptly enough spelling "UFOS" meets monthly to discuss UFOs.
Mann says he often sees UFOs, different from aircraft in form and movement. "You know they're not airplanes they don't maneuver that way." He said some make startling turns, zooming at incredible speeds as if gravity, air resistance and inertia were no concern. "They seem to use a different kind of physics."
UFO enthusiasts claim Pine Bush and the Hudson Valley in general are UFO hot spots.
The crafts' lights are distinct, Mann said; they have vibrantly colorful hues, including blue lights, which he says violates FAA guidelines. The lights seem to be of a different essence, casting no shadows.
Mann, a retired lieutenant for the Rockland County Sheriff's Department, kept a lid on his sightings for years, aware of how most people would react.
But Mann said it's really not so incredible. "If you look up at the sky, you see the stars, and think of all the billions with planets around them it would be idiocy to think we're the only ones who developed life."
So why hasn't everyone seen these flying objects? It may require being in the right place at the right time, Mann said, noting he's often seen them at dusk or dawn.
Mann and his wife, Sue, along with another couple, run the group, comprising of dozens of UFO watchers from Orange, Ulster, Sullivan and Pike counties. They meet the first Wednesday of each month at Crawford Town Hall in Pine Bush. Roughly 500 people are on the mailing list. The club was formed by Dawn Lay and her mother, Max, in 1993.
The group is now internationally known, Lay said. The Manns and other members were featured on a television show, "Strange Universe," in the mid-1990s. The Manns were also on the show "Encounters."
Lay described her first UFO sighting in 1987. It was midnight in Gardiner when she and a friend saw lights in the sky. It was a band of light red, green, blue, orange and yellow moving circularly and changing colors. The cigar-shaped craft hovered over their field, moving back and forth and humming, then zooming up and vanishing at "warp speed." Lay called an operator and reported it. She said the operator laughed and hung up.
UFOs have been a topic of discussion in the U.S. since the 1940s, when volunteer aircraft spotters, fulfilling air-defense needs, began reporting them. Reports of flying crafts many elliptical, with no visible propellers or propulsion systems continued, sometimes by pilots, flying instructors and military personnel. Some say reports in the '50s and '60s were due to military reconnaissance aircraft. Many cases aren't explained.
Tony Stevens of Pine Bush, a club member for six years, can't explain UFOs he has seen, but he's sure they're not airplanes. A retired corrections lieutenant for Shawangunk Correctional Facility, he repaired planes as an Air Force mechanic.
"I know what planes do; these things act totally different than the planes I've seen in my lifetime. You see the lights, they blink, and they're gone."
Stevens first saw UFOs when he was 9. He went with his brother, Billy, tracking aircraft for civil defense. He began seeing silver streaks across the Middletown sky, suddenly vanishing. Once, on West Searsville Road, he saw a ball-size orange sphere appear, surrounded by fiery light. It suddenly "popped up" to the size of a house in seconds, then shot straight into the clouds and vanished.
Stevens has photographed UFOs with his digital camera. He says most are cylindrical, and moving at supersonic speeds.
Sue Mann saw her first UFO at age 20. She said she thinks they're not seen more often because "a lot of people just don't look up. They're just too busy with their own lifestyle, going to sales at Wal-Mart, and the 9-to-5 thing, they don't have time to look."
John Mann agreed. "We think of ourselves as an advanced civilization, but we're just taking baby steps."
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:11 PM
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Keep watching the skies
PINE BUSH: Members of a UFO club hope to shed light on mysterious sightings.
By Stephanie Pass
Record Correspondent
He was only 8 when he first spotted the strange, colorful lights in the sky, mysteriously appearing and disappearing.
It's something he's seen his whole life, but didn't talk about for decades, until he learned that hundreds of others had also seen the unidentified objects zooming across the still sky.
"I've seen them since early childhood," said John Mann of the Town of Newburgh. "It got to the point where I just needed to talk to somebody about it."
And in 1993, the perfect forum came to town, in the form of the United Friends Observers Society. The club its acronym aptly enough spelling "UFOS" meets monthly to discuss UFOs.
Mann says he often sees UFOs, different from aircraft in form and movement. "You know they're not airplanes they don't maneuver that way." He said some make startling turns, zooming at incredible speeds as if gravity, air resistance and inertia were no concern. "They seem to use a different kind of physics."
UFO enthusiasts claim Pine Bush and the Hudson Valley in general are UFO hot spots.
The crafts' lights are distinct, Mann said; they have vibrantly colorful hues, including blue lights, which he says violates FAA guidelines. The lights seem to be of a different essence, casting no shadows.
Mann, a retired lieutenant for the Rockland County Sheriff's Department, kept a lid on his sightings for years, aware of how most people would react.
But Mann said it's really not so incredible. "If you look up at the sky, you see the stars, and think of all the billions with planets around them it would be idiocy to think we're the only ones who developed life."
So why hasn't everyone seen these flying objects? It may require being in the right place at the right time, Mann said, noting he's often seen them at dusk or dawn.
Mann and his wife, Sue, along with another couple, run the group, comprising of dozens of UFO watchers from Orange, Ulster, Sullivan and Pike counties. They meet the first Wednesday of each month at Crawford Town Hall in Pine Bush. Roughly 500 people are on the mailing list. The club was formed by Dawn Lay and her mother, Max, in 1993.
The group is now internationally known, Lay said. The Manns and other members were featured on a television show, "Strange Universe," in the mid-1990s. The Manns were also on the show "Encounters."
Lay described her first UFO sighting in 1987. It was midnight in Gardiner when she and a friend saw lights in the sky. It was a band of light red, green, blue, orange and yellow moving circularly and changing colors. The cigar-shaped craft hovered over their field, moving back and forth and humming, then zooming up and vanishing at "warp speed." Lay called an operator and reported it. She said the operator laughed and hung up.
UFOs have been a topic of discussion in the U.S. since the 1940s, when volunteer aircraft spotters, fulfilling air-defense needs, began reporting them. Reports of flying crafts many elliptical, with no visible propellers or propulsion systems continued, sometimes by pilots, flying instructors and military personnel. Some say reports in the '50s and '60s were due to military reconnaissance aircraft. Many cases aren't explained.
Tony Stevens of Pine Bush, a club member for six years, can't explain UFOs he has seen, but he's sure they're not airplanes. A retired corrections lieutenant for Shawangunk Correctional Facility, he repaired planes as an Air Force mechanic.
"I know what planes do; these things act totally different than the planes I've seen in my lifetime. You see the lights, they blink, and they're gone."
Stevens first saw UFOs when he was 9. He went with his brother, Billy, tracking aircraft for civil defense. He began seeing silver streaks across the Middletown sky, suddenly vanishing. Once, on West Searsville Road, he saw a ball-size orange sphere appear, surrounded by fiery light. It suddenly "popped up" to the size of a house in seconds, then shot straight into the clouds and vanished.
Stevens has photographed UFOs with his digital camera. He says most are cylindrical, and moving at supersonic speeds.
Sue Mann saw her first UFO at age 20. She said she thinks they're not seen more often because "a lot of people just don't look up. They're just too busy with their own lifestyle, going to sales at Wal-Mart, and the 9-to-5 thing, they don't have time to look."
John Mann agreed. "We think of ourselves as an advanced civilization, but we're just taking baby steps."
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
///////////////////////////////////////////// hangedman123@gmail.com
The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Panderan
User ID: 276480
2/22/2008 5:12 PM
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Hanged Man, this is off the subject, but I was wondering why you chose your avatar? Years ago, I dabbled with tarot cards, but I don't remember what that symbolizes.
Love U.S., the law. |
| dinner bell
User ID: 335123
2/22/2008 5:16 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
I heard there is something inside tapping.
My uncle has a friend who knows the guy in charge of delivering food to the "Recovery Team" working on the UFO. He put a tape recorder in the tofu salad and was able to leave the food table right next to the craft.
When he went back to drop off dinner he got the tape recorder back. He said the whoile time they were tapping the craft and getting responding taps from ET that is inside trapped. They must be robotic ETs to live that long. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378807
2/22/2008 5:17 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
It works with IE only as it obviously needs some Active-X elements that only are provided with IE ...
Thanks, I will get off Firefox and go see. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 378807
Still no actual picture of the ship but the slide show works. Doesn't the Earth have Natural magnets???
I have heard of rare Earth magnets before and I do believe they are quite strong. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 378807
2/22/2008 5:20 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
Hanged Man, this is off the subject, but I was wondering why you chose your avatar? Years ago, I dabbled with tarot cards, but I don't remember what that symbolizes. Quoting: Panderan
Look at the color of the guys skin. I think some people would be pissed to see a brown or black man hanging in a tree. |
| Panderan
User ID: 276480
2/22/2008 5:21 PM
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Hanged Man, this is off the subject, but I was wondering why you chose your avatar? Years ago, I dabbled with tarot cards, but I don't remember what that symbolizes.
Look at the color of the guys skin. I think some people would be pissed to see a brown or black man hanging in a tree. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 378807
What?
Love U.S., the law. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 370480
2/22/2008 5:22 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
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| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:24 PM
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Hanged Man, this is off the subject, but I was wondering why you chose your avatar? Years ago, I dabbled with tarot cards, but I don't remember what that symbolizes. Quoting: Panderan
The Hanged Man is my "sum card", using all my numerological information together, symbolizing the resulting sum of propensities that reaveal where the my path leads for me. My best potential in this life is symbolically revealed in The Hanged Man card.
See "Numerology and the Divine Triangle" by Faith Javane and Dusty Bunker for more. I consider their work as the standard in this field of research.
It is good to know these things to see ones best abilities and ways to contribute to society. The Ancients used this with their young, and they knew at an early age what they were here to do. I do numerological readings for free sometimes, for good friends, and sometimes for youth needing to know how they may adcance the best. I never charge for doing this (no spam). It takes me a long time to do the math and envision the person, so I rarely do it.
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
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The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Hanged Man
The Visionary Co-Creator
User ID: 151462
2/22/2008 5:26 PM
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Quoting: Anonymous Coward 370480
Buried Ship
...I think of it
As a kind of time that cannot pass.
That I have never used, so still possess.
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The Hanged Man symbolizes the first water of the divine power. Water was the first mirror in which the reflection always appears upside down. The significance of this card is that things are not as they appear on the surface, and we must look deeper for true understanding. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357364
2/22/2008 5:27 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
A possible alien triangular robotic probe has been discovered entombed in Ordovician rocks (450 million years old?) under the Beth Hillel Cemetery, near Pine Bush, NY.
That's stupid. Quoting: Deisi
Will you just go away?!?! No one likes you! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 158854
2/22/2008 5:29 PM | | Re: UFO ROBOT SHIP DISCOVERED - THE MACHINES WERE HERE LONG AGO | Quote |
It works with IE only as it obviously needs some Active-X elements that only are provided with IE ...
Thanks, I will get off Firefox and go see. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 378807
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