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Only Meditation leads to Truth

 
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THE TRUTH is beyond your vision and your knowledge, because your knowledge is your knowledge; it is just ego-confined. And when ego itself is a lie, how can it give you the truth?
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Without meditation you don't know the secrets of life, you know only the surface of life. Even that much gives you enough joy. But you don't know the depth, the abysmal depth and the infinite height -- immeasurable both. Once you know this vertical dimension of height and depth, life becomes a pure joy, a laughter, a song, a dance, an ecstasy....
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Meditation is a very simple process: all that you need to know is the right button. The Upanishads call it "witnessing" -- the right button. Just witness your mind process, don't do anything at all. Nothing needs to be done, just be a witness, an observer, a watcher, looking at the traffic of the mind -- thoughts passing by, desires, memories, dreams, fantasies. Simply stand aloof, cool -- watching it, seeing it, with no judgment, with no condemnation, neither saying, "This is good," nor saying, "This is bad." Don't bring your moral concepts in, otherwise you will never be able to meditate.

That's why I am against the so-called morality: it is anti-meditation, because a so-called moral person is so full of his moral ideas -- shoulds and should-nots -- that he cannot watch, he cannot simply watch. He jumps to conclusions: "This is not right and this is right." And whatsoever he feels is right, he wants to cling to it; and whatsoever he thinks is wrong, he wants to throw it out. He jumps among the thoughts, starts fighting, grabbing. And that's where he loses all witnessing.

Witnessing simply means a detached observation, unprejudiced; that's the whole secret of meditation. It is simple! Once you have known the knack of it it is the most simple thing in the world, because each child is born in that innocence. You have known it in your mother's womb, you have known it when you were a small child -- so it is only a rediscovery. Meditation is not something new; you have come with it into the world. Mind is something new; meditation is your nature. It is your nature, it is your very being. How can it be difficult? You just have to know the knack: watch.

Sit by the side of a river and watch the river flowing. Yes, sometimes driftwood passes by and sometimes a boat comes and sometimes a dead body and sometimes a beautiful woman may be swimming in the river -- you simply watch, you don't get bothered, you remain cool, you don't get excited. You are not supposed to do anything, you have nothing to do. It is the river and it is the river's business. You simply sit silently.

Sitting silently, slowly slowly the art is learned... And one day, the moment your watchfulness is total, the mind evaporates.

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every time the word 'only' is used, we are further separated from the truth.
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THE TRUTH is beyond your vision and your knowledge, because your knowledge is your knowledge; it is just ego-confined. And when ego itself is a lie, how can it give you the truth?
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Without meditation you don't know the secrets of life, you know only the surface of life. Even that much gives you enough joy. But you don't know the depth, the abysmal depth and the infinite height -- immeasurable both. Once you know this vertical dimension of height and depth, life becomes a pure joy, a laughter, a song, a dance, an ecstasy....
-------------------

Meditation is a very simple process: all that you need to know is the right button. The Upanishads call it "witnessing" -- the right button. Just witness your mind process, don't do anything at all. Nothing needs to be done, just be a witness, an observer, a watcher, looking at the traffic of the mind -- thoughts passing by, desires, memories, dreams, fantasies. Simply stand aloof, cool -- watching it, seeing it, with no judgment, with no condemnation, neither saying, "This is good," nor saying, "This is bad." Don't bring your moral concepts in, otherwise you will never be able to meditate.

That's why I am against the so-called morality: it is anti-meditation, because a so-called moral person is so full of his moral ideas -- shoulds and should-nots -- that he cannot watch, he cannot simply watch. He jumps to conclusions: "This is not right and this is right." And whatsoever he feels is right, he wants to cling to it; and whatsoever he thinks is wrong, he wants to throw it out. He jumps among the thoughts, starts fighting, grabbing. And that's where he loses all witnessing.

Witnessing simply means a detached observation, unprejudiced; that's the whole secret of meditation. It is simple! Once you have known the knack of it it is the most simple thing in the world, because each child is born in that innocence. You have known it in your mother's womb, you have known it when you were a small child -- so it is only a rediscovery. Meditation is not something new; you have come with it into the world. Mind is something new; meditation is your nature. It is your nature, it is your very being. How can it be difficult? You just have to know the knack: watch.

Sit by the side of a river and watch the river flowing. Yes, sometimes driftwood passes by and sometimes a boat comes and sometimes a dead body and sometimes a beautiful woman may be swimming in the river -- you simply watch, you don't get bothered, you remain cool, you don't get excited. You are not supposed to do anything, you have nothing to do. It is the river and it is the river's business. You simply sit silently.

Sitting silently, slowly slowly the art is learned... And one day, the moment your watchfulness is total, the mind evaporates.

[link to www.oshobuddha.com]
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THE TRUTH is beyond your vision and your knowledge, because your knowledge is your knowledge; it is just ego-confined. And when ego itself is a lie, how can it give you the truth?
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Without meditation you don't know the secrets of life, you know only the surface of life. Even that much gives you enough joy. But you don't know the depth, the abysmal depth and the infinite height -- immeasurable both. Once you know this vertical dimension of height and depth, life becomes a pure joy, a laughter, a song, a dance, an ecstasy....
-------------------

Meditation is a very simple process: all that you need to know is the right button. The Upanishads call it "witnessing" -- the right button. Just witness your mind process, don't do anything at all. Nothing needs to be done, just be a witness, an observer, a watcher, looking at the traffic of the mind -- thoughts passing by, desires, memories, dreams, fantasies. Simply stand aloof, cool -- watching it, seeing it, with no judgment, with no condemnation, neither saying, "This is good," nor saying, "This is bad." Don't bring your moral concepts in, otherwise you will never be able to meditate.

That's why I am against the so-called morality: it is anti-meditation, because a so-called moral person is so full of his moral ideas -- shoulds and should-nots -- that he cannot watch, he cannot simply watch. He jumps to conclusions: "This is not right and this is right." And whatsoever he feels is right, he wants to cling to it; and whatsoever he thinks is wrong, he wants to throw it out. He jumps among the thoughts, starts fighting, grabbing. And that's where he loses all witnessing.

Witnessing simply means a detached observation, unprejudiced; that's the whole secret of meditation. It is simple! Once you have known the knack of it it is the most simple thing in the world, because each child is born in that innocence. You have known it in your mother's womb, you have known it when you were a small child -- so it is only a rediscovery. Meditation is not something new; you have come with it into the world. Mind is something new; meditation is your nature. It is your nature, it is your very being. How can it be difficult? You just have to know the knack: watch.

Sit by the side of a river and watch the river flowing. Yes, sometimes driftwood passes by and sometimes a boat comes and sometimes a dead body and sometimes a beautiful woman may be swimming in the river -- you simply watch, you don't get bothered, you remain cool, you don't get excited. You are not supposed to do anything, you have nothing to do. It is the river and it is the river's business. You simply sit silently.

Sitting silently, slowly slowly the art is learned... And one day, the moment your watchfulness is total, the mind evaporates.

[link to www.oshobuddha.com]
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Jesus is the way an the truth an he reveils it through supernatural revelations and signs an wonders tothose who praise an worship him in spirit an truth.meditation if not on jesus is just new age crapola lol
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Panderan

Do you speak from experience?
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Do you speak from experience?
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What kind of experience? I can't go for your worship your mental problems and dump them into an invisible lake new age junk. Ok?
Love U.S., the law.
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Jesus never went to church to pray, except when He went there to preach or to throw out the merchants or to scold the priests
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What kind of experience? I can't go for your worship your mental problems and dump them into an invisible lake new age junk. Ok?
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What kind of experience? I can't go for your worship your mental problems and dump them into an invisible lake new age junk. Ok?
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Your mighty welcome.
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Jesus never went to church to pray, except when He went there to preach or to throw out the merchants or to scold the priests
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And you were there when Jesus lived in a past life regression of yours, no doubt.
Love U.S., the law.
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And you were there when Jesus lived in a past life regression of yours, no doubt

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No, To put it simply, the readings from scripture
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And it's a good thing that real people don't witness like that crapola.
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it is just ego-confined. And when ego itself is a lie, how can it give you the truth?
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Mystics always attack the self / ego

Its a core teaching of the Kahbbala. They say the only way to Evolve as a human being is to become part of the collective through altruistic self sacrifice.


for example:



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Teach me, real people
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Sacrifice, give-up the weaknesses in yourself. If you are prone to anger, learn what the problem is causing it to control your life.
Love U.S., the law.
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Sacrifice, give-up the weaknesses in yourself. If you are prone to anger, learn what the problem is causing it to control your life.
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Name-calling, ad hominem (a logical fallacy)
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You can't allow emotions/feelings to dictate and control your life. Reality does not equal emotions. People can talk themselves into a big funk for absolutely no reason.
Love U.S., the law.
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You can't allow emotions/feelings to dictate and control your life. Reality does not equal emotions. People can talk themselves into a big funk for absolutely no reason
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The irony, you are the one who is emotional, and it is showing
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Sacrifice, give-up the weaknesses in yourself. If you are prone to anger, learn what the problem is causing it to control your life.
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Name-calling, ad hominem (a logical fallacy)
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Anger results in name calling.
Love U.S., the law.
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You can't allow emotions/feelings to dictate and control your life. Reality does not equal emotions. People can talk themselves into a big funk for absolutely no reason
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The irony, you are the one who is emotional, and it is showing
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Passionate.
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Anger results in name calling.
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Are you angry? Emotional?
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This site wants to track your-Cookie's so BOGUS.
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Anger results in name calling.
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Are you angry? Emotional?
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Go meditate.
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Meditation is a product of the ancient kingdom and religion of the Medes which is the same religion that the NWO loves. Let me give you the example. Look up the roots of the words and it speaks volumes...

Medi - tation

Medi - ation

Medi - cation
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METAPHYSICAL MIND MASSAGE MEDITATION ~ Enter Infinite Wealth

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I wish you the best in your search to find a reality that agrees with your thinking.
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truth is another ilusion. freedom is the goal.
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'Methods and/or Techniques'

"The whole thing about techniques is the idea that you need certain methods to make things 'work' for you, when all you have to do is let things alone: Then they "work" for you automatically. If you forget that fact, then you will always be looking for better and better methods. . .which will never really work. . .because Nature and your own nature work best when left alone.

If you're going to study such issues at all, then look for what you do right, and you'll always find that in those areas you let yourself alone and do what comes naturally, because you are inclined in that direction.

When you concentrate on what's wrong, you almost always try to hard, looking for methods that will work better than the ones you are using now. . .when the truth is that the methods themselves stand in the way, whatever they are. Because Nature doesn't use methods. It "works" because it is what it is.
(Methods presuppose the opposite, in whatever area of your concern. They show your belief that nature doesn't work right on it's own.)"
(thanks ever S&J)
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it is just ego-confined. And when ego itself is a lie, how can it give you the truth?



Mystics always attack the self / ego

Its a core teaching of the Kahbbala. They say the only way to Evolve as a human being is to become part of the collective through altruistic self sacrifice.


[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: Xare



yup, like this..



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If you could get rid
Of yourself just once,
The secret of secrets
Would open to you.
The face of the unknown,
Hidden beyond the universe
Would appear on the
Mirror of your perception
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bump