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Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?

 
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Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Just wondering what you might think on this since it seems to be the core of both Dems running for Pres.

Fast pull out of Iraq and tax the rich to pay for vast programs that help voter base of people making less than 50k seems to be the way to become pres.

ice
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Over 100 grand a year is far from rich these days.

So no I'm not for any kind of tax increase, especially if it's for certain areas of social services.
I work in social services and the abuse and fraud is unreal!

Damn government gets enough of my money now as it is, as do those who sit on their asses all day and do nothing.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
I make 50K a yr and can barely hold on. I don't see any system helping me in any way. I like many others will always bare the brunt.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Yes.

And it is only a return to the tax levels before Bush.

Let the rich pay for some of the things they use instead of having the poor pay for everything.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Just wondering what you might think on this since it seems to be the core of both Dems running for Pres.

Fast pull out of Iraq and tax the rich to pay for vast programs that help voter base of people making less than 50k seems to be the way to become pres.

ice
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That is definitely socialism, and I don't see that it actually helps people. Capitalism, as unfair as it seems to those who go without, at least promotes the idea that competitiveness creates progress. Socialism seems to promote stagnation. Who would be inspired to reach for the stars if you have to share all your stars, and the benefits are all the same whether you reach or not?
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
The most recent example of socialism can be found if you google the now forsaken 'yacht tax' in California. They simply cannot afford it, along with those outrageous docking fees. My God the ignorance here simply underwhelms me. OP go fuck yourself!
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02/23/2008 10:01 PM

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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
What we need is a flat tax where everyone pays the same amount. No deductions for anything. and if you make under the proverty line you dont have to pay any.
And all companies also pay the same with no write offs.

But other then that no one should have to pay more just because he makes more.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
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-------->How about NO taxes at all?








Except for a 25% sales tax. You know a tax on SPENDING money. So if you had no money you wouldn't get taxed. And if you were rich and had lots of money to spend you would get taxed.

But don't hold your breath. This will NEVER happen, its too simple, too easy and too fair and it would cause the rich to actually *pay* taxes. Yeah stupid idea. Sorry I brought it up.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
OP go fuck yourself!

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What is this about? If you make 30k why do you want someone to give you something. If you make less than needed you need a system in place to allow you to improve yourself. Not a hand out right?

ice
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Ahh there is the Buzzword "Socialist" "Socialism" the new key word used by those who think unbridled capitalism is the only answer to how all people should will become self sufficient and maybe even rich, and want to scare those who have no clue about this kind of manipulation. As you can see that is a falsehood just by looking at the numbers of who controls the wealth. Evidentially you are not one who follows Christian way. Jesus proposed ideas which you would consider socialist.
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Not just no but HELL NO!
Don't bother calling me a Neocon. I'm a card-carrying Libertarian.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
The most recent example of socialism can be found if you google the now forsaken 'yacht tax' in California. They simply cannot afford it, along with those outrageous docking fees. My God the ignorance here simply underwhelms me. OP go fuck yourself!
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No, no! We didn't mean it litterally.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Ahh there is the Buzzword "Socialist" "Socialism" the new key word used by those who think unbridled capitalism is the only answer

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Socialism does not work because it breaks down the reason a person attempts to take a chance! Everybody sits backs and just lives off the system. Then the system breaks down to nothing! The book of Acts didn't work in this world. It will when He runs it but not while man is in charge!

ice
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
system is insolvent.. nothing can be done to save it. The natural outcome is bankruptcy and reorganization.

Social security is insolvent and can't continue to be paid at current rates. It will be essentially abolished after the crash, or it will pay out so little as to not be useful after inflation adjustment which will occur post depression.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
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What is this about? If you make 30k why do you want someone to give you something. If you make less than needed you need a system in place to allow you to improve yourself. Not a hand out right?

ice
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And what if you make zero dollars because the government harrasses you out of business? How does that fit into into your formula?
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
OP go fuck yourself!

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What is this about? If you make 30k why do you want someone to give you something. If you make less than needed you need a system in place to allow you to improve yourself. Not a hand out right?

ice
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How do I do this--

My job for the last 20 yrs has been a machine mechanic.
In 1980 the pay was $13.00 an hr
It is now between $16 and $25 an hr.
I was laid off from my Union job-
Unemployment is $400 a week
Most people on the clock rely on some overtime to make it
I can get a job but the most I can START at is $18 an hr with no overtime
It is still more than unemployment
Now I have no benefits for 6mnth
House has a mortgage of 2K a month
I have family to feed and a house to pay for.
How can I find time to BETTER MYSELF
My job was mainly reduced to better the bottom line of a so-called struggling Co.
They made money but needed to make more to support stock price and appease shareholders.
In my County 100 mechanics were and are vying for 25 good jobs.
The other 75 will have to do with less-usually meaning another job or excessive overtime
How does this benefit me and my family.
My wifes job is being outsourced to India in June.
We should be well fucked by then.
Not complaining since that won't help.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
And what if you make zero dollars because the government harrasses you out of business? How does that fit into into your formula?

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Well, you can lay down and quit or you can start again and hire better lawyer this time. Most people with me included have gone broke many times. Learn from it and move on!

ice
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Yes.

And it is only a return to the tax levels before Bush.

Let the rich pay for some of the things they use instead of having the poor pay for everything.
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Maybe educate the poor to keep their genitles to themselves.

Sick of paying for the fruits of a one night stand - women who don't even know who the fuck "baby daddy" is.

Why the fuck should the taxpayers be burdened with paying for stupid people?

We waited until we could afford to have a baby before bringing one into the world.

There's all kinds of birth control out there....no better than cockroaches with the way some people reproduce and expect everyone else to pay for it.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Ahh there is the Buzzword "Socialist" "Socialism" the new key word used by those who think unbridled capitalism is the only answer

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Socialism does not work because it breaks down the reason a person attempts to take a chance! Everybody sits backs and just lives off the system. Then the system breaks down to nothing! The book of Acts didn't work in this world. It will when He runs it but not while man is in charge!

ice
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Socialism doesn't work because rich people don't WANT it to work...and see to that it never does.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Yes.

And it is only a return to the tax levels before Bush.

Let the rich pay for some of the things they use instead of having the poor pay for everything.



Maybe educate the poor to keep their genitles to themselves.

Sick of paying for the fruits of a one night stand - women who don't even know who the fuck "baby daddy" is.

Why the fuck should the taxpayers be burdened with paying for stupid people?

We waited until we could afford to have a baby before bringing one into the world.

There's all kinds of birth control out there....no better than cockroaches with the way some people reproduce and expect everyone else to pay for it.
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for me the ultimate example of a society would be one where EVERYTHING is free, unrestricted, but with no government support of any kind, and with consequences for actions like murder, rape, theft, etc.

Heroin is legal, but if you become addicted don't expect handouts.. actions have responsibilities.. with freedom comes responsibility... instead of the nanny state we have today where everyone is dependent on the government.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
In my County 100 mechanics were and are vying for 25 good jobs.
The other 75 will have to do with less-usually meaning another job or excessive overtime
How does this benefit me and my family.
My wifes job is being outsourced to India in June.
We should be well fucked by then.
Not complaining since that won't help.

))))))))))))))))))))

I hear ya and I have been there! Life can bring us through hard times but people like you can and will fight!

At 55 I have had my share of hard times and losing my home, being down to my last 5 bucks. I put that 5 bucks in my gas tank and drove to get a job that I needed a advance on my first pay check to have money to get to work.

We all have those stories but working people find away. People that take handouts look for someone to give them something. If we turn into a nation of people looking for a handout it really is over.

ice
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Absolutely not. Don't punish the producers. As for some paying nothing--bad idea. People don't tend to value that which costs them nothing.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
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-------->How about NO taxes at all?


Except for a 25% sales tax. You know a tax on SPENDING money. So if you had no money you wouldn't get taxed. And if you were rich and had lots of money to spend you would get taxed.

But don't hold your breath. This will NEVER happen, its too simple, too easy and too fair and it would cause the rich to actually *pay* taxes. Yeah stupid idea. Sorry I brought it up.
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I just thought of another benifit of 'sales tax only':

Even if you stole money for a living you'd have to pay the tax to spend it. This of course makes the idea unpopular with criminals and politicians. (Just another reason it will never happen.)
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
ICE, no comment on the renigging of the yacht tax in CA. That's the kind of welfare that is breakng us, not some teenage pregnancy.
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
The only thing I am grateful for at this moment which I wasn't for some time is I know how to use my hands and have a trade(s). Over the years I was quite jealous of those making all these big bucks in the mortgage/real estate industry now I see others so more well off than me at the time just buying bigger and more. My house is small but so are my needs and bills (at least we try).

Jack of all trades , master of none..
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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
This is all academic.

Metamorphically speaking the economy (waste-onomy) has thrown a friggen rod.

And like a car with a blown engine you'll have to pull it into the shop to fix it. You might get somebody to "repair" it while its still going down the road but that particular "mechanic" will be an asshole. Good luck with that one.

Seriously, what part of "~I~T~S ~B~R~O~K~E~N~" is so fucking hard for people to understand?
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Why the fuck should the taxpayers be burdened with paying for stupid people?
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Because the government deliberately educated them to be stupid. They never require a damn thing out of school kids anymore.

Who gets all the scholarships? Not the smart goyim.

Instead of fighting wars for coporations the money should be going to educate any kids as far as they want to go. And get rid of the departmart of education so they can do no further harm. Make the kids dress like students instead of raving lunitics. Take their calculators and cell phones away.

Give us the same education they give the Zionists!

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Re: Do most here approve of increase taxes of people making over 100k for give away programs for those making less than 40k?
Just wondering what you might think on this since it seems to be the core of both Dems running for Pres.

Fast pull out of Iraq and tax the rich to pay for vast programs that help voter base of people making less than 50k seems to be the way to become pres.

ice
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Beats taxing the poor to hand it over to Halliburton.
HORRIBLE BASTARD.
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when the people discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public coffer, democracy is finished
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when the people discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public coffer, democracy is finished
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Santayana wants his quote back.

But it works the other way, too.
HORRIBLE BASTARD.

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