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BREAKING
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2/26/2008 8:19 AM
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Montanans insist on gun rights
By Valerie Richardson
February 25, 2008
Montana officials are warning that if the Supreme Court rules in the D.C. gun ban case that the right to keep and bear arms protects only state-run militias like the National Guard, then the federal government will have breached Montana's statehood contract.
Nobody is raising flags for the Republic of Montana, but nobody is kidding, either. So far, 39 elected Montana officials have signed a resolution declaring that a court ruling of the Second Amendment is a right of states and not of individuals would violate Montana's compact.
"The U.S. would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract," Montana Secretary of State Brad Johnson said in a Feb. 15 letter to The Washington Times.
The resolution also was signed by Rep. Denny Rehberg, Montana's lone Republican congressman, and state Sen. Roy Brown, who is running to unseat Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat.
The dispute goes back more than a century. Back in 1889, the settlers of the Montana territory struck a deal with the federal government: They agreed to join the union, and the government agreed that individuals had the right to bear arms.
That has worked fine for the past 118 years, but the Supreme Court is expected next month to hear oral argument in District of Columbia v. Heller, the appeal of a federal court decision striking down the District's gun-ownership ban on Second Amendment grounds.
The high court has not issued a broad ruling on Second Amendment law in almost 70 years, including the key question of whether it provides an individual right, like speech and jury trial, or a "collective right" held by state governments. Many constitutional scholars, both liberal and conservative, say this case gives the justices an opportunity to rule on that matter.
The Montana statehood contract, which was preserved as Article I of the state constitution, specifies gun ownership as an individual right: "The right of any person to keep or bear arms ... shall not be called in question."
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380887
2/26/2008 8:25 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
that's secede... |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 195267 (OP)
2/26/2008 8:30 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
that's secede... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380887
sorry |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380419
2/26/2008 8:31 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
uh, canadian troops will be sent in to keep the peace |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 335502
2/26/2008 8:56 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Is it time to move to Montana? The Constitution and Bill of Rights is still alive there.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225509
2/26/2008 8:58 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
If SCOTUS rules so and Montana secedes, then I'm off to Montana with my trusty, uh, "buddy" and out of this FASCIST HELL-HOLE formerly known as not-Prince. |
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ZOSIME
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2/26/2008 9:21 AM
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Is it time to move to Montana? The Constitution and Bill of Rights is still alive there.
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packing my bags |
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nobody
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2/26/2008 9:33 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
If SCOTUS rules so and Montana secedes, then I'm off to Montana with my trusty, uh, "buddy" and out of this FASCIST HELL-HOLE formerly known as not-Prince. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 225509
Maybe Russia will help the poor Montanans escape the tyranny of the US gov't. |
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ZOSIME
User ID: 314632
2/26/2008 9:55 AM
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Is it time to move to Montana? The Constitution and Bill of Rights is still alive there.
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packing my bags |
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ZOSIME
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2/26/2008 9:56 AM
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Is it time to move to Montana? The Constitution and Bill of Rights is still alive there.
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packing my bags |
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Sireen-reborn
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2/26/2008 10:11 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Well Montana is right there with the Lakota country now! LOL If we can get the Lakota's and the newly seceded montanan's (Damn how would you spell that?) then we can have us that long awaited civil war!
anything after 'but' is bullshit!
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ZOSIME
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2/26/2008 10:11 AM
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sorry for the triple posts GLP was acting up? |
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 10:16 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Well Montana is right there with the Lakota country now! LOL If we can get the Lakota's and the newly seceded montanan's (Damn how would you spell that?) then we can have us that long awaited civil war! Quoting: Sireen-reborn
Kill kill kill
The solution to every problem. |
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Isaac Brock died for us
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2/26/2008 10:16 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
uh, canadian troops will be sent in to keep the peace Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380419
Canada would be the first country to recognise an independent Montana.
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 225509
2/26/2008 10:17 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
If SCOTUS rules so and Montana secedes, then I'm off to Montana with my trusty, uh, "buddy" and out of this FASCIST HELL-HOLE formerly known as not-Prince.
Maybe Russia will help the poor Montanans escape the tyranny of the US gov't. Quoting: nobody 358333
Seems to be more rule of Law occurring in Russia these days than is occurring in the United States these days.
Your statement posits that we can continue to live here in US in a Constitutionally-raped fascist criminal empire or go live in another ZOG-raped country Russia.
I disagree with your thesis. Maybe Montana will bring the United States out of its ZOG-induced stupor and realize just how far down the fascist path we've been led -- and mayhaps, the average Joe Six-pack will take up arms against the Criminals, eh?
Go fish. |
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 10:17 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
I AM WITH YOU. |
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 10:25 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Just waiting for the Cheyenne Government to join in.... |
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Grafted Promise in the USofA
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2/26/2008 10:25 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Yep ... I posted this 9:39 AM this morning.
Wonder if other states have their act together?
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1-2-Follow
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2/26/2008 10:27 AM
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can't a warmer state decide to do this too? it's a great idea and all, but it's too damn cold for a southerner like myself to move up there...
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nobody
User ID: 358333
2/26/2008 11:26 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Maybe Russia will help the poor Montanans escape the tyranny of the US gov't. Quoting: nobody 358333
Seems to be more rule of Law occurring in Russia these days than is occurring in the United States these days.
Your statement posits that we can continue to live here in US in a Constitutionally-raped fascist criminal empire or go live in another ZOG-raped country Russia.
I disagree with your thesis. Maybe Montana will bring the United States out of its ZOG-induced stupor and realize just how far down the fascist path we've been led -- and mayhaps, the average Joe Six-pack will take up arms against the Criminals, eh?
Go fish. Quoting: 225509
You're making too much of a tongue-in-cheek statement. I am all for the Constitution as the rule of law and believe that the bill of rights is not open to interpretations that would restrict those rights. I would also agree with Montana's desire to secede from the US if the agreement that was undertaken to entice Montana into joining the Union is broken. I'm wondering if the agreement is only between Montana and the federal gov't. So long as Montana retains the rights of their citizens to bear arms then the agreement is still binding imo no matter what other districts or states decide on the second amendment. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272640
2/26/2008 11:27 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
No big loss. Who cares? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 204901
2/26/2008 11:28 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Can Montana continue to function without federal government money? Probably not. What do they have, like 2000 people? Let them go. They use more tax dollars than they give. |
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 11:36 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to money.cnn.com]
Montana ranks 48th in its contribution to US GDP but 15th in its per capita receipt of federal funds. Like I said, let 'em go. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162
2/26/2008 11:38 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Montanans insist on gun rights
By Valerie Richardson
February 25, 2008
Montana officials are warning that if the Supreme Court rules in the D.C. gun ban case that the right to keep and bear arms protects only state-run militias like the National Guard, then the federal government will have breached Montana's statehood contract.
Nobody is raising flags for the Republic of Montana, but nobody is kidding, either. So far, 39 elected Montana officials have signed a resolution declaring that a court ruling of the Second Amendment is a right of states and not of individuals would violate Montana's compact.
"The U.S. would do well to keep its contractual promise to the states that the Second Amendment secures an individual right now as it did upon execution of the statehood contract," Montana Secretary of State Brad Johnson said in a Feb. 15 letter to The Washington Times.
The resolution also was signed by Rep. Denny Rehberg, Montana's lone Republican congressman, and state Sen. Roy Brown, who is running to unseat Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat.
The dispute goes back more than a century. Back in 1889, the settlers of the Montana territory struck a deal with the federal government: They agreed to join the union, and the government agreed that individuals had the right to bear arms.
That has worked fine for the past 118 years, but the Supreme Court is expected next month to hear oral argument in District of Columbia v. Heller, the appeal of a federal court decision striking down the District's gun-ownership ban on Second Amendment grounds.
The high court has not issued a broad ruling on Second Amendment law in almost 70 years, including the key question of whether it provides an individual right, like speech and jury trial, or a "collective right" held by state governments. Many constitutional scholars, both liberal and conservative, say this case gives the justices an opportunity to rule on that matter.
The Montana statehood contract, which was preserved as Article I of the state constitution, specifies gun ownership as an individual right: "The right of any person to keep or bear arms ... shall not be called in question."
[ link to www.washingtontimes.com]
THATS WHY I LIVE HERE AND IM NOT MOVING !!!!! |
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Canuck 
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2/26/2008 11:56 AM
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uh, canadian troops will be sent in to keep the peace Quoting: Anonymous Coward 380419
Well maybe not. . . but we could offer them a place in Canada as the 11th province. . . .(the NW Territories are not considered a province).
The Province of Montana. . . .hmmm. It could work. :)
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 11:56 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
You don't need a state to secede.
Declare yourself a soveriegn being. |
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Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 11:56 AM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
I am a FreeMan. |
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Sireen-reborn
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2/26/2008 12:00 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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2/26/2008 12:04 PM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Give Montana back to the Lakotas and other Native American tribes to whom it is entitled. |
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Lost Fisherman
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2/26/2008 12:16 PM
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Moving to Montana soon.....
RKBA has to be an individual right in Montana. How else can the dental floss rustlers be kept in check?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 357707
2/26/2008 12:23 PM | | Re: Montana Threatens To Succeed From US If Supreme Court Rules Against Gun Rights | Quote |
Hey, maybe the US and NATO/OTAN will help Montana to full independence! Just a thought. |
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