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Homeless Iraq vets showing up at shelters

 
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12/08/2004 04:11 PM
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Homeless Iraq vets showing up at shelters


By Mark Benjamin
UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL


Washington, DC, Dec. 7 (UPI) -- U.S. veterans from the war in Iraq are beginning to show up at homeless shelters around the country, and advocates fear they are the leading edge of a new generation of homeless vets not seen since the Vietnam era.


"When we already have people from Iraq on the streets, my God," said Linda Boone, executive director of the National Coalition for Homeless Veterans. "I have talked to enough (shelters) to know we are getting them. It is happening and this nation is not prepared for that."

"I drove off in my truck. I packed my stuff. I lived out of my truck for a while," Seabees Petty Officer Luis Arellano, 34, said in a telephone interview from a homeless shelter near March Air Force Base in California run by U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans.

Arellano said he lived out of his truck on and off for three months after returning from Iraq in September 2003. "One day you have a home and the next day you are on the streets," he said.

In Iraq, shrapnel nearly severed his left thumb. He still has trouble moving it and shrapnel "still comes out once in a while," Arellano said. He is left handed.

Arellano said he felt pushed out of the military too quickly after getting back from Iraq without medical attention he needed for his hand -- and as he would later learn, his mind.

"It was more of a rush. They put us in a warehouse for a while. They treated us like cattle," Arellano said about how the military treated him on his return to the United States.

"It is all about numbers. Instead of getting quality care, they were trying to get everybody demobilized during a certain time frame. If you had a problem, they said, ´Let the (Department of Veterans Affairs) take care of it.´"

The Pentagon has acknowledged some early problems and delays in treating soldiers returning from Iraq but says the situation has been fixed.

A gunner´s mate for 16 years, Arellano said he adjusted after serving in the first Gulf War. But after returning from Iraq, depression drove him to leave his job at the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission. He got divorced.

He said that after being quickly pushed out of the military, he could not get help from the VA because of long delays.

"I felt, as well as others (that the military said) ´We can´t take care of you on active duty.´ We had to sign an agreement that we would follow up with the VA," said Arellano.

"When we got there, the VA was totally full. They said, ´We´ll call you.´ But I developed depression."

He left his job and wandered for three months, sometimes living in his truck.

Nearly 300,000 veterans are homeless on any given night, and almost half served during the Vietnam era, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition, a consortium of community-based homeless-veteran service providers. While some experts have questioned the degree to which mental trauma from combat causes homelessness, a large number of veterans live with the long-term effects of post-traumatic stress disorder and substance abuse, according to the coalition.

Some homeless-veteran advocates fear that similar combat experiences in Vietnam and Iraq mean that these first few homeless veterans from Iraq are the crest of a wave.

"This is what happened with the Vietnam vets. I went to Vietnam," said John Keaveney, chief operating officer of New Directions, a shelter and drug-and-alcohol treatment program for veterans in Los Angeles. That city has an estimated 27,000 homeless veterans, the largest such population in the nation. "It is like watching history being repeated," Keaveney said.

Data from the Department of Veterans Affairs shows that as of last July, nearly 28,000 veterans from Iraq sought health care from the VA. One out of every five was diagnosed with a mental disorder, according to the VA. An Army study in the New England Journal of Medicine in July showed that 17 percent of service members returning from Iraq met screening criteria for major depression, generalized anxiety disorder or PTSD.

Asked whether he might have PTSD, Arrellano, the Seabees petty officer who lived out of his truck, said: "I think I do, because I get nightmares. I still remember one of the guys who was killed." He said he gets $100 a month from the government for the wound to his hand.

Lance Cpl. James Claybon Brown Jr., 23, is staying at a shelter run by U.S.VETS in Los Angeles. He fought in Iraq for 6 months with Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 2nd Marines and later in Afghanistan with another unit. He said the fighting in Iraq was sometimes intense.

"We were pretty much all over the place," Brown said. "It was really heavy gunfire, supported by mortar and tanks, the whole nine (yards)."

Brown acknowledged the mental stress of war, particularly after Marines inadvertently killed civilians at road blocks. He thinks his belief in God helped him come home with a sound mind.

"We had a few situations where, I guess, people were trying to get out of the country. They would come right at us and they would not stop," Brown said. "We had to open fire on them. It was really tough. A lot of soldiers, like me, had trouble with that."

"That was the hardest part," Brown said. "Not only were there men, but there were women and children -- really little children. There would be babies with arms blown off. It was something hard to live with."

Brown said he got an honorable discharge with a good conduct medal from the Marines in July and went home to Dayton, Ohio. But he soon drifted west to California "pretty much to start over," he said.

Brown said his experience with the VA was positive, but he has struggled to find work and is staying with U.S.VETS to save money. He said he might go back to school.

Advocates said seeing homeless veterans from Iraq should cause alarm. Around one-fourth of all homeless Americans are veterans, and more than 75 percent of them have some sort of mental or substance abuse problem, often PTSD, according to the Homeless Veterans coalition.

More troubling, experts said, is that mental problems are emerging as a major casualty cluster, particularly from the war in Iraq where the enemy is basically everywhere and blends in with the civilian population, and death can come from any direction at any time.

Interviews and visits to homeless shelters around the Unites States show the number of homeless veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan so far is limited. Of the last 7,500 homeless veterans served by the VA, 50 had served in Iraq. Keaveney, from New Directions in West Los Angeles, said he is treating two homeless veterans from the Army´s elite Ranger battalion at his location. U.S.VETS, the largest organization in the country dedicated to helping homeless veterans, found nine veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in a quick survey of nine shelters. Others, like the Maryland Center for Veterans Education and Training in Baltimore, said they do not currently have any veterans from Iraq or Afghanistan in their 170 beds set aside for emergency or transitional housing.

Peter Dougherty, director of Homeless Veterans Programs at the VA, said services for veterans at risk of becoming homeless have improved exponentially since the Vietnam era. Over the past 30 years, the VA has expanded from 170 hospitals, adding 850 clinics and 206 veteran centers with an increasing emphasis on mental health. The VA also supports around 300 homeless veteran centers like the ones run by U.S.VETS, a partially non-profit organization.

"You probably have close to 10 times the access points for service than you did 30 years ago," Dougherty said. "We may be catching a lot of these folks who are coming back with mental illness or substance abuse" before they become homeless in the first place. Dougherty said the VA serves around 100,000 homeless veterans each year.

But Boone´s group says that nearly 500,000 veterans are homeless at some point in any given year, so the VA is only serving 20 percent of them.

Roslyn Hannibal-Booker, director of development at the Maryland veterans center in Baltimore, said her organization has begun to get inquiries from veterans from Iraq and their worried families. "We are preparing for Iraq," Hannibal-Booker said.
Melody
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Baby killers.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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That´s so sad, used and dumped.
Where´s the outrage?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Melody, you are an absolute whore.

That IS truly sad. Chalk up another "victory" for Chimpy the Asshole.
mei lei
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Kill babies or be hung for treason. Nice choice Melody! I myself would kill the babies as ordered and let my superiors take the rap.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Melodydumbassstars
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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"You ain´t seen nothing yet"
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Lay off Melody, she´s right. Those homeless vets were ordered to shoot women and children. But THEY are only partly responsible, the ones who sent them into the ´Crude War´ are the true baby killers.
yggdrasil
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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That´s very, very sad.

Melody, the only thing I can say about your comment is that at least you´re consistent. Not a very nice thing, in this case. sigh

Edit to add: Having compassion for one´s "enemies" is not a fault. Not all the soldiers killed babies, for christ´s sake. Not all the soldiers tortured prisoners.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Looks like karma to me. Kill babies and life will kick you in the pants.
Reemer
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Melody welcome back....
Bolly
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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These guys need to get the balls to refuse to kill people in the first place. Then the government would put them in a prison where they would have food and shelter and they would sleep well knowing they did the right thing.
Reemer
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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The military is for active active duty, the VA system takes care of vets.

The problem is not the military side its the VA, they are underfunded and the paperwork can be confusing.

I´m honorably discharged, with a medical % disability, it took nearly 11 months to start my benifits, but medical care was transfered to the VA and I was admitted for further surgeries without any problems.

On a side note, where the hell have you been Melody?
merlinnz
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Couple the returning service people´s homelessness with the homelessness of thousands in Iraq (due to bombings and stuff) and you have a BUNCH of homeless people. let me guess, the governments of both countries are warm and well fed?
Zayga
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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"let me guess, the governments of both countries are warm and well fed?"

c/p for truth.
Reemer
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I never killed a baby, never saw one pick up a weapon and fire at me.

That was a hit and run Melody tactic, I sometimes think she invented them.

Vets deserve our care.

The reality is as much as we offer them care and comfort and shelter there will be some who choose not to accept it.
merlinnz
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Reemer

It´s sad to me that it seems America (Govt and people0 have learned nothing from Vietnam. Rightly or wrongly these folks, who return maimed and injured inother ways, deserve to be cared for. One can only magine WHY a Government fixated on the "heroism" and "morality" of this war, turns its back on the fighters.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Reemer:"some who chose not to accept it"

You ass. Read the OP.
>>Nearly 300,000 veterans are homeless on any given night<<
How fucking many vets are there? The homeless tonight are more than double the active troops in Iraq and you say ´SOME´ who chose to not accept it?
Matrix
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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The thing that I do not get is that when some people say to me they support the troops when they are O.S dieing and killing, yet when some of these troops come home and need the most support, the awareness of their plights to the public is non-existent. It seems soldiers only need support when they are in service to their country, but when they are through for what ever reason, they come home, and some are actually forgotten, to be sent to the scrap heap. Support for the troops should be given no matter where they are, in or out of the service, yet it seems most people´s support is based on political issues of what the troops are fighting for and not on the humanitarian issues of the troops face themselves.

The troops are over in Iraq for humanitarian reasons, yet when some of these people come home, they themselves can not receive humanitarian aid. Fix up your own back yard before sticking your noses into other people´s yards I say. The American gov. are trying to help the Iraqis, yet they fail in their duty of care for their own vets. If the U.S can not look after their own vets, what chance have the Iraqis got?
Toothneeker
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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It´s damned shameful, the underfunding of the VA.

But administration after administration just ignore the problem. Well, I guess I can´t say this administration is ignoring the problem, really, since they´re making heroic efforts to make it far WORSE.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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They will all die pretty soon, just like the
first gulf war vets. Did you know that 90% of
them are dead or dieing?www.beyondtreason.com

This site can fill you in, not that it will affect your christmas happyness.
Bolly
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Matrix, surely you are not so bloody stupid that you BELIEVE the US military is in Iraq on a humanitarian mission? You think blowing the arms off babies is humanitarian?
Reemer
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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514,

Your the ass, I work around vets, I hire them, donate money to the vet system. And have seen close up, there are a large group of them that choose not to submit paperwork or go see the folks that help them file paperwork in order to take advantage of the benifits available for them.

I have read as high as 12% of eligible vets do not apply for services.

After the Military discharged me I felt abandoned by my country. I needed the medical care or I never would have filed a damn piece of paperwork to help myself, actually If I hadn´t been transferred from an active duty hospital to a VA center I never would have.

That was a long time ago and my opinions have changed since then.

But I understand how medically discharged vets feel.
Reemer
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Did you know that 90% of
them are dead or dieing?


NOW THAT IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Fuck you Reemer my brother served in the gulf war and is now going through a 24 pack of charmin each week and has had the va´s hand up his ass a dozen times trying to find out what´s wrong. They don´t know what it is but he´s dying. Some of his friends that served in the same war are already dead.

Fuck you Reemer you stateside fuck!
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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And another thing they treat the military like sheep and brainwash them into following orders. They loose their identity. It´s the superiors fault for their action. Those are the bastards that deserve to die.

Let presidents and kings fight their own goddamn battles.
zacksavage
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Right on target 6:53/55.





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zacksavage
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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I NEVER understood why someone was supposed to follow orders without question while I served. Why should someone putting their life on the line for the greater good give up all rights if the cause is just?!?

Works out well for the state-side political cowards, their friends and their off-spring don´t it?!?!

Plus,...they get to make a few bucks.


Z
Reemer
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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"Some of his friends that served in the same war are already dead."

Sorry for your brother, My point is the figures are no where near 90%.

I agree there is a common illness, among Gulf War 1 vets, it is limited to about 236 vets. The figures on this have been blown way out of porportion. And the misinformation would be laughable if were not for the fact that it has to do with the well being of vets.

The mysteries have been traced to four units, only one of which was in contact with suspected chemical weapons.

So how did it get to the other three groups?

Not enough questions asked or answered in my opinion.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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The future for all blue collar workers is going to be real bleak.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:10 AM
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Reemer, there´s 3 causes:
chemical weapons
vaccinations
depleted uranium
combinations of the three in varying degrees determine different problems.

For example, there´s a famous nurse from Gulf War I who searched through records to try to find out what the probs could be and discovered they gave some soldiers a know bad batch of vaccinations. The whole batch had been thrown out but, the gov said to retrieve it because without it there wasn´t enough for all soldiers.

And you can not trust the gov´s figures on this. The real figures are much, much higher!





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