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| Yojimbo
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2/28/2008 1:39 AM
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The whole concept of Jesus/God doesnt make sense to me at all. I mean okay so there is this God. He can do anything he wants whenever he wants, period. Why would he need to make a son to do his job for him? I mean God works for himself and can make his own hours because he can control time. So why would it even matter anyway. He can do ANYTHING. Why even have sins? What the fuck was the point of that? If he "loves" all of us unconditionally why make conditions for his love? Faith? What for? Faith is pointless and if he actually WANTED us to believe in him. All he would have to do is just appear in the sky one day to everyone on the planet and been like "hey dudes, im God whats up." And everyone in the entire world would be like "Jesus christ, there is a God! Whats up" And then everyday God could just appear in the sky and talk to everyone and be like "Hey dont kill that dude, remember I dont like killing.. And btw everyone, remember, I do exist." That would solve all the worlds problems. Everyone would worship God and we could all communicate with him. And any time someone is going to do something bad with their freewill God gave us he could just appear and be like "Remember before you use your freewill to do that, i dont approve." Major World problems? Solved. Hell? No need for it. And Jesus? I really do not understand why God would create a son for the sole purpose to watch him get tortured and then return to God's self in order to save all the people in the world from God's own pointless wraith. God must have been bored or something because that whole stage show sure was a little over complicated for something God could have just snapped his fingers to do.
And so if God exists why doesnt he just do that. The task should be simple to him, if he can create a world, he can at least stop by once a day to visit everyone. I mean, hes God, he can appear in more that two places a once. He could even stop time if he was feeling a bit sluggish one morning or got a late start. |
| Abbadon
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2/28/2008 1:42 AM
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so many discussions has been with this topic and all has come to the same conclusion. jesus and god dont exist and all "proof" they can come up with is some mouth to mouth scrips, and bible quotes.
with is also flawed. you can prove that a christian isnt a true believer.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/28/2008 1:44 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
" Taku Shanskan is familiar with my spirit and when I die I will go with him. Then I will be with my forefathers. If this is not in the heaven of the white man I shall be satisfied. He is my father. The Wakan Tanka of the white man has overcome him. But I shall remain true to him.
Shadows are long and dark before me. I shall soon lie down to rise no more. While my spirit is with my body the smoke of my breath shall be towards the Sun for he knows all things and knows that I am still true to him."
-Red Cloud - Makhpiya-Luta Oglala - Sioux Chief (1822-1909)
(part of his farewell address to the Lakota people on July 4, 1903) |
| ^TrInItY^  
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2/28/2008 1:46 AM
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god is strictly hands off
UNLESS someone fucks with universal mechanics and wakes IT UP...
then there is hell to pay... not because god is actually pissed off but because ITS immune system kicks in
god doesn't answer prayers.. the universe responds to energy in a mechanical way..
it's really very simple
surely you must realize that a culmination of all that is does exist and does have consciousness but it doesn't concern itself with you anymore than you concern yourself with a single cell in your body..
IT (god) exists... IT has will.. and that will is manifested within its body, which you are a part of...
If you seek god with an open heart and mind eventualy it might reveal itself to you.. or more correctly you might be able to expand your perception enough to recognize its footprint in everything...
as for jesus... that is another story..
Few will listen,
Of the few who listen, fewer still will understand,
Understanding does not mean believe,
Of the handful who believe, most may not know what to do,
Those who even know, how many will actually do ?
And the rare ones who have done it.......
Need not listen to you anymore.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372879
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2/28/2008 2:02 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
bs pin ...even if you cant understand ,stop crying.War in heavens is almost over,and everyone will be wiser after that,free will got some consequences. |
| Jdd
User ID: 347452
Canada
2/28/2008 2:07 AM
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The Christians themselves are confused as to who Jesus is. Some say Jesus is the son of God, other say he is God, some say he's both. None seem to be able to define the essential difference between father and son, however. The Vedic sastra (scriptures) explain in minute detail precisely Who God is, and how He is different from his incarnations, expansions and plenary portions. This explanation describes the differences between God and his divinely empowered representatives. For example, God has 100% of all potencies (knowledge, beauty, opulence, etc., etc.), while an expansion or representative (son) of God may have only 78% of his opulence and 82% of his strength, for example. So it's really all a science… the science of God-consciousness.
Perhaps a more fundamental issue is that Christians believe that Jesus is God's only son. On one hand they acknowledge that God is omnipresent and unlimited, and on the other hand they limit him to only having one son across eternal time and all the inconceivable places God has made in His manifest creation.
The truth is that God is God, the only God, and there are unlimited numbers of personalities deputed by, sent by God to engage with the other living entities on His behalf.
So why would all-power God need an assistant? You're right, He surely doesn't need anything. It is due to His infinite mercy, love and compassion that he empowers and engages other living entities, his myriad sons and daughters, to act on his behalf. In this way they have an opportunity to serve God, which is the 100% desire of a true disciple or follower of God. If God didn't arrange things so that his servants were able to render loving service to Him, then it would be impossible for them to otherwise engage in a reciprocal loving relationship with God. And that is what God wants… a loving relationship. And it's for that reason that He gave us free will… so we could choose to engage in a reciprocal loving relationship with God… or not. If we choose not to, then He very kindly created this miserable material world in order for us to do something other than lovingly serve Him. Instead, we can come here and serve ourselves, serve our senses, serve our families, and generally lord it over the other living entities as we try to be the supreme enjoyers and controllers. Of course, God is the Supreme Enjoyer and the Supreme Controller, and we can never succeed at that. All we do by trying is further entangle ourselves in this temporary place of suffering. By choosing this experience, we are forced to repeatedly experience the pains of birth, disease, old age and death. We can travel around that wheel for as long as we choose. Eventually, hopefully, we wake up and begin to question, why am I here suffering? Who am I? Etc. These questions move us to look for that original loving relationship with God. And throughout eternal time, God kindly sends his emissaries… in all forms, from human to animal to energetic, to interact with us and give us opportunities to "get it". Get God.
You ask, if God made unconditional love why is there sin? You're really asking, why do we suffer. I've explained that above. Suffering is the reaction we get for utilizing our free will and making lousy choices. This is not caused by God's wishes for you to suffer. It's the natural outcome of the living entity tangling it up with the material nature. God created the material nature as our sandbox, the place we can assert our free will. If you run headlong into a brick wall, it's going to hurt. That doesn’t mean the bricks are bad.
You talk about God appearing in the sky each day to chat and remind us that He exists. Well he does that already. But instead of the sky, He's in your heart. He resides there, in infinitesimally atomically tiny size as Supersoul, or Paramatma. He's always right there with you, listening. And once you begin to listen in return, He'll start talking, i.e., He'll engage more directly with you, if that's your desire. So when we're using our free will to do stupid things, He is reminding us. We call it our "conscience"… the little voice within. That voice is actually a dialogue between us, the living entity (jivatma), and Paramatma, the Lord of the Heart.
Science of Self-realization 101
There will be a test. |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/28/2008 2:08 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
it's nothing personal.... |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/28/2008 2:16 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
Trinity. Your understanding of the consept of god is just on in aprox. 6 billion on earth alone(considering only humans, we don't have any information about what insects and other creeps believe). And one of infinity in the universe. So what makes you think you are right and all who believe in something else are wrong? I'd think about the universe, but I'd never confine myself to some total unfounded belief like most people. Sure I'd like to make sense of it all, but I just know it's not possible and then get on with my life believing that it is pointless to believe in any gods or similar. |
| Anonymous Coward
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2/28/2008 2:17 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
Only those with simply NO SENSE make up a "God". |
| Enigma
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2/28/2008 2:18 AM
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god is strictly hands off
UNLESS someone fucks with universal mechanics and wakes IT UP...
then there is hell to pay... not because god is actually pissed off but because ITS immune system kicks in
god doesn't answer prayers.. the universe responds to energy in a mechanical way..
it's really very simple
surely you must realize that a culmination of all that is does exist and does have consciousness but it doesn't concern itself with you anymore than you concern yourself with a single cell in your body..
IT (god) exists... IT has will.. and that will is manifested within its body, which you are a part of...
If you seek god with an open heart and mind eventualy it might reveal itself to you.. or more correctly you might be able to expand your perception enough to recognize its footprint in everything...
as for jesus... that is another story.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^
you got that right...
god doesn't answer prayers.. the universe responds to energy in a mechanical way..
from thought comes intentions
from intentions, actions
from actions, results
repeat cycle, rinse
once your mind resonates with the cosmic knowledge that all is one, then you may move ahead from the ordering of personalities...
THAT is an ENIGMA
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all" |
| Abbadon
User ID: 379682
Sweden
2/28/2008 2:26 AM
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well god is all knowing, all perfect...
he has a plan for us all before we are born.
"You saw me before I was born and scheduled each day of my life before I began to breathe. Every day was recorded in your book!" [Psalm 139:16]
so why is there sin? hell etc if its part of gods plan?
sentenced before we are born because people do kill rape, molest children, wage wars etc etc etc and its all part of his great plan. he is perfect right?
then we have the 10 commandments..
You shall have no other gods before me
You shall not make for yourself an idol
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your Father and Mother
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
You shall not covet your neighbor's house
You shall not covet your neighbor's wife
why those rules if we are gods plan and still commit murder etc etc and all was planed before the person was born..
You shall not make for yourself an idol (why are christians and believers of god using crosses and symbols of god)
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy(never work on sundays)
one more example:
Here is one very simple example. on the day Moses comes down from mount sinai with the tablets containing the 10 commandments, he discovers that they have created a golden calf. to punish the people, moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of exodus, chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
so... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." then the next minute we have "God" telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. wouldnt you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? about 3000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary.
and god loves torturing women.
in genesis he says to eve after she ate the apple:
"i will greatly increase your pains in childbearing, with pain you will give birth to children."
can go on and on and on about this.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349259
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2/28/2008 2:27 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
can go on and on and on about this. Quoting: Abbadon
like it hasn't been done here hundreds of times dude. |
| Abbadon
User ID: 379682
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2/28/2008 2:32 AM
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can go on and on and on about this.
like it hasn't been done here hundreds of times dude. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 349259
word my friend.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| Jdd
User ID: 347452
Canada
2/28/2008 2:34 AM
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God does answer prayers. Sometimes He does so personally and directly, one-on-one. More often, He doesn't get personally involved, but rather acts through the agency of His representatives. These representatives may be deputed personalities, or other energies.
Yes, the cosmic creation -- the material nature (prakrti) -- operates in a mechanical way. It runs according to the laws of nature. But even when one's prayers are responded to by the workings of prakrti, still it is God, the creator of all, who is behind the response. So in that way, He does answer prayers.
God doesn't personally pay attention to the goings-on in the material world. He only concerns Himself with the goings-on in the spiritual world. For the material creation, He primarily relies on His agents and the material creation itself. He only gets personally involved with his devotees… with those who have progressed far enough into a relationship with Him to warrant His paying them any attention. In other words, until you behave in such a way that God wishes to deal with you personally, He will instead interact with you in a somewhat impersonal way through the agency of prakrti, maya, and the other living entities.
In addition, God does sometimes manifest Himself personally, fully and directly here in the material world. These incarnations or appearances of God are the times He comes to re-establish the Absolute Truth, because it has been lost. He comes again and again, and what we know of as the major religions are the ongoing, ever-degenerating with time lineages of teachings that He sets down. Whether Allah, Jehovah, Krsna or Buddha... whether the Koran, Bible, or Bhagavad-Gita, the Lord mercifully keeps coming when necessary, or He sends his empowered pure devotee representatives, to set us back on the path.
If you believe in God, you eventually have to conclude (i.e., the logical arguments lead you to conclude) that He is behind everything that moves, mechanical or personal.
As you say, THAT is an ENIGMA
god doesn't answer prayers.. the universe responds to energy in a mechanical way.. Quoting: Enigma |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 382101
United States
2/28/2008 2:35 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
A.)Faith.You got to have faith if you want to know God.
B.)God has asked us not to tempt him by asking that he do anything to divulge himself to us openly.
Look,we arent here to know the mind of God.He does things because its all HIS agenda.We are his creation,not the other way around.
When man went against Gods wishes he broke the covenant between the creator and his creation.It was our fault,we blew it,goodbye paradise.
But God being like most parents didnt want his children tossed away without a chance to redeem themselves.So he gave us his book,and his 10 rules to live by that would allow us to repair the damage between he and us.And allow us to return to him and his Kingdom.
He even went so far as to send us his one and only son,to lead us back to him.And we killed him.
But by his spilled blood we have found our redemption.Jesus paid the price for the sin's of mankind by dying and going into hell.He fought death and gained the key of life that allowed him to return to us in the living flesh.
When he was raised up into heaven it was to show us that it was possible.
God has done everything he see's as being possible to show us he cares.He gives us sunlight to warm ourselves and grow our crops.He gives us the water to drink to support our bodies.He gives and gives and we take and take and then turn around on him and say,I dont believe in you.
Who are we,these small frail beings who break so easily and have such curiosity and free will to be capable of thought to have the arrogance to believe we know so much more then we do about the ways of a galaxy that was here billions of years before we were even created.
If we,the human race would stop fighting the idea of a loving God who will be there waiting for us upon our deaths.Then so much more could be done in this world.The wars could end.The money could go to feeding the hungry or sheltering the homeless.But no,instead we have this incessant need to bitch about what we dont understand and to accuse others of being fools for trying to believe.
Look around.Everything God has told us to look for as signs of the end are happening all over the world.Why is it so hard to accept God at his word when his truth has always come to pass?
Dont drag your feet.Open your eyes and your heart to something outside of yourself.Look on a coin.It says,In God We Trust.Not In Bob,or Dan or Akbar or Chang.But God!
Trust him,he knows what he is doing.It was planned from the very beginning,he is the alpha and the omega,the beginning and the end.The End is coming.And I would much rather accept that there will be a loving God to greet me when it happens then the cold dark emptiness of death.
Faith.You just have to allow yourself to have faith.Turn it over to God.Allow him to show you in his way.Stop thinking that you control what happens in your life and accept that at any time God could put such a smack down on your ass that you wouldnt know what happened until the reality of it had already slapped you across the face.
Nobody is saying that by believing in God you are giving yourself over to the darkside.It isnt a bad thing.Its a good thing and its a good way of life for millions of people.You dont understand it because you arent supposed to.All you need to do is have faith.
ciao |
| man of ELOHIM
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2/28/2008 2:36 AM | | Anonymous Coward
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2/28/2008 2:37 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
Its all about control and nothing else, god did not write the bible, man did to control man. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 380802
United States
2/28/2008 2:37 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
god is strictly hands off
UNLESS someone fucks with universal mechanics and wakes IT UP...
then there is hell to pay... not because god is actually pissed off but because ITS immune system kicks in
god doesn't answer prayers.. the universe responds to energy in a mechanical way..
it's really very simple
surely you must realize that a culmination of all that is does exist and does have consciousness but it doesn't concern itself with you anymore than you concern yourself with a single cell in your body..
IT (god) exists... IT has will.. and that will is manifested within its body, which you are a part of...
If you seek god with an open heart and mind eventualy it might reveal itself to you.. or more correctly you might be able to expand your perception enough to recognize its footprint in everything...
as for jesus... that is another story.. Quoting: ^TrInItY^
I tend to agree, coming from the perspective of a cellular & molecular biology/biochemistry dual major. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349259
United States
2/28/2008 2:38 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
it's not personal....it's eternal..... and each individual is ultimately responsible for their own translation.
do us all a favor, labellers, and set god free. |
| fërú.
dot connector
User ID: 382070
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2/28/2008 2:40 AM
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The creator is Enki, an annunaki extraterrestrial being
all the gods of all religions are extraterrestrial including Jesus, implanted in a terrestrial mother.
You have to read about Enki and his brother Enlil
and you will understand why Enki send his son to us and the promise of come back to install the kingdom of his father.
all what humanity knows is fake
We will know the true and this true will set us free...
084M4-C41D3R0N %N0W5... 9/II 1N51D3 J08....AHINI 4L50 1N51D3 J08
March 20 2012 Quetzalcoatl's Return
Welcome back beloved Enki
2010 the beginning of all.
Nabu in my heart con tu luz. |
| Jdd
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Canada
2/28/2008 2:40 AM
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Can you give a scriptural citation for B) -- the idea that God asked not to be "tempted" to divulge Himself openly?
Thanks!
B.)God has asked us not to tempt him by asking that he do anything to divulge himself to us openly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 382101 |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 382064
United States
2/28/2008 2:42 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
so many discussions has been with this topic and all has come to the same conclusion. jesus and god dont exist and all "proof" they can come up with is some mouth to mouth scrips, and bible quotes.
with is also flawed. you can prove that a christian isnt a true believer. Quoting: Abbadon
Just exactly how much money did you pay to become the new Grand Exalted Cocksucker of GLP? I never even saw you before today, and suddenly the job of invalidating everything wholesome seems to be *YOUR* personal job.
Fag. |
| Abbadon
User ID: 379682
Sweden
2/28/2008 2:43 AM
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one thought about god let say just a theorie.
screw the bible throw it way..
why? lets say humans lost the meaning of the words of god. we all know humans are power mongers, greedy like hell and find any excuse to exploit other people.
If i would put something close to what god is i would say its earth. Its wonderful nature but earth suffer fleas named humans.
But then god would be a bad name and gaia the correct one.
I believe more in nature than a imaginative creation.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349259
United States
2/28/2008 2:43 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
fag?
inquistion much? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 349259
United States
2/28/2008 2:44 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
inquisition^ |
| Abbadon
User ID: 379682
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2/28/2008 2:45 AM
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Just exactly how much money did you pay to become the new Grand Exalted Cocksucker of GLP? I never even saw you before today, and suddenly the job of invalidating everything wholesome seems to be *YOUR* personal job.
Fag. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 382064
ey you should love me and forgive me, its part of gods plan :)
PS the bible is BS
[link to www.youtube.com]
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| fërú.
dot connector
User ID: 382070
Mexico
2/28/2008 2:49 AM
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The real All Powerful Force is the Universe.
When you pray, or meditate or communicate with you higher being, you alienate yourselves with the Universe...
But the gods of all religions are just technological more advanced beings and they create us to their imagine and likeness.
084M4-C41D3R0N %N0W5... 9/II 1N51D3 J08....AHINI 4L50 1N51D3 J08
March 20 2012 Quetzalcoatl's Return
Welcome back beloved Enki
2010 the beginning of all.
Nabu in my heart con tu luz. |
| Abbadon
User ID: 379682
Sweden
2/28/2008 2:49 AM
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The creator is Enki, an annunaki extraterrestrial being
all the gods of all religions are extraterrestrial including Jesus, implanted in a terrestrial mother.
You have to read about Enki and his brother Enlil
and you will understand why Enki send his son to us and the promise of come back to install the kingdom of his father.
all what humanity knows is fake
We will know the true and this true will set us free... Quoting: fërú.
fun this is there is more proof for that.
have you read the book gods of the new millennium?
very good book and it touches alot on what your saying.
I believe we where created by another race rather than a fiction character.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 382064
United States
2/28/2008 2:51 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
You shall not make for yourself an idol (why are christians and believers of god using crosses and symbols of god)
Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy(never work on sundays)
one more example:
Here is one very simple example. on the day Moses comes down from mount sinai with the tablets containing the 10 commandments, he discovers that they have created a golden calf. to punish the people, moses gathers a group of men and takes the following action in the book of exodus, chapter 32:
Then he [Moses] said to them, "This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: 'Each man strap a sword to his side. Go back and forth through the camp from one end to the other, each killing his brother and friend and neighbor.' " The Levites did as Moses commanded, and that day about three thousand of the people died.
so... one minute we have God carving into stone, "Thou shalt not kill." then the next minute we have "God" telling each man to strap a sword to his side and lay waste to thousands. wouldnt you expect the almighty ruler of the universe to be slightly more consistent than this? about 3000 dead people is a lot of commandment breaking. obviously that is a total contradiction. The reason why you find contradictions like that in the Bible is because God is imaginary.
and god loves torturing women.
in genesis he says to eve after she ate the apple:
"i will greatly increase your pains in childbearing, with pain you will give birth to children."
can go on and on and on about this. Quoting: Abbadon
Instead why don't you go on and on about getting a job and moving out of your parent's basement, and stick a big bagle up your ass.
To whom do you say 'Thou Shalt Not kill'? You
say it to a horde of savages that don't know any better. If the ancient jews had to be given
commandments not to murder, it means they didn't even grasp that
things like murder were wrong. Now jump ahead to Jesus' time, when
the jews levelled accusations against Him for not obeying the
ceremonial law to wash hands before eating, and He tried explaining
to them that it was the things that come out of a man(overt acts and
perpetrations) that defile him spiritually, not the things that go
into him. Then jump ahead further, to the teaching that Christ was
the sacrifice delivered up "once and for all", to do away with the
barbaric daily human sacrifices(and they *were* human sacrifices: "For Thy sake we are put to death all day long").
There is every indication that what's recorded in the old testament is an attempt that was made to civilize a
group of murderous primitive savages, and when a return was made to
check on their progress, it was found that they had attached
staggering religious significances to such things as simple
sanitation measures. You wash your hands before eating to prevent
disease, not to please God. You circumsize because in the desert just
having enough to drink takes effort, there were no plastic gallon
jugs to carry spare water for washing. similiarly you don't have sex
with the uncircumsized foreigner, who in this environment is a
walking yeast infection. The Jewish priest was just making an educated
guess not delivering a judgment from the Almighty when he said adultery with a uncircumsized foreigner would be punished by an inflamed
festering womb.
Pigs are full of
parasites that can pass to man, and there were no stew pots, meat was
cooked by roasting, meaning it was burned on the outside and raw on
the inside, so eating pork was taking a real chance, but it DIDN'T
spiritually defile you, it didn't make a pork-eating foreigner your
SPIRITUAL FOE, just a biohazard.
Did burning the uneatable parts of a sacrifice on
an altar really produce an aroma "pleasing to God Himself", or was this
again a disease protection measure to incinerate biohazards that took
on staggering religious significance in the hands of the savage
primitives it was taught to??? Surely at the very least we can agree that the reasons
for the instructions to "ease thyself ouside the camp" and then
covering your excrement with soil was a sanitary measure, not a
ritual by which God gained anything.
Is it possible that Jesus was actually trying to correct
a horrible mistake wherein a group of primitives were given a list of
sanitary measures to protect them from disease and pestilance and
instead over the generations transformed them into a horrifying code
of bloodthirsty religious ethics???
Islamists and Talmudists each have their own 'sacred' version of these sanitary/hygeinic "potty training" laws, and the rest of humanity has been dragged into the domination contest between them.
Imagine teaching savages to incinerate biological wastes to control
plague outbreaks, telling them 'god' said to do it since they won't
believe in germs etc, and when you return to see how your pet project
is doing, you find they've expanded on it and are now performing
daily human sacrifices to this god since you told them He liked it, not
just burning leftover wastes, and have amplified their
misunderstandings of other precepts to the same degree with
horrifying consequences for every other people they encounter. You
try to ease them past these out of control regulations and the
wholesale bloodshed they have caused with a new deal, things like a
symbolic sacrament of bread and wine to replace their literal sacrifice and blood-drinking cannibalism, and end up crucified
yourself for trying to 'subvert' the laws that 'god' supposedly gave them.
Hundreds of years later the descendents of these savages have
infiltrated all the governments of the world in their endless
plotting against all the peoples that do not follow their 'holy'
sanitation and hygeine laws and the hundreds of bizzarre regulations
they've extrapolated from them over the centuries.
The whole world stands at the brink of nuclear armageddon for the sake of a handfull
of greedy grasping primitives lusting after their neighbor's land, and
all because in their ancient past a civilised man took pity on them
and taught them to wash their hands before eating if they just
finished wiping their butts.
Now you know why you shouldn't violate the Prime Directive.
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The Bible says that when Moses led the Israelites in the desert that God appeared to them as "a pillar of smoke by day and a pillar of fire by night". This is the description of a live volcano. The "Thunderous Voice of God" which was "heard by them all" was evidently just the eruptions, not speech, else why would the Commandments have to be written instead of being spoken, if all Israel supposedly "heard His terrifying voice".
And why lead these people back and forth and in circles in the desert for forty years except for the adults to die off. Why poison them with the water from the "golden calf" incident except to leave behind the young so their minds could be shaped any way moses wanted. Isolate people in the desert, wait until the older ones that remembered a previous way of life were all dead, poison the ones with memories of previous religious practices, then train the children to become your own personal horde of bloodthirsty asassins, slaughtering and murdering and stealing everywhere they went, burning down everything they could't pack away and carry off, killing every woman they didn't have time to rape. And did they ever stop? WILL they ever stop? NO! In fact now more than ever they're making their grab for dominance of the whole planet by trying to place every gentile on the planet under "Noahide Law", the name given to the subset of their laws that pertains to gentile slaves owned by them, not to laws they themselves are equally bound by.
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Tetragammaton
The skeleton letters of Jehova: Y-H-W-H, called the Tetragammaton, is
the "ineffable word" in Talmudic Judaism, being used in weird
combinations to evoke the demons. Its use is restricted to the inner
circle of Rabbinical potentates.
Rabbi Joshua Trachtenberg, who is listed in Who's Who in America and
Who's Who in American Jewry (1938-39), in his defensive yet
illuminating book, "Jewish Magic and Superstition," (Behrmann', N.Y.
1939) writing of the age long reputation of Jews as practitioners of
black magic and all occult demonistic rites, states: "The sources
indicate that Jews were at least acquainted with methods of inducing
disease and death, of arousing and killing passion, of forcing people
to do their bidding of employing demons for divinatory and other
purposes...We find accounts of the magician's power to project his
soul to far-distant places, there to perform an errand, and then
return to his comatose body." (Jewish Magic and Superstition, Rabbi
Joshua Trachtenberg, Behrmann's, N.Y. 1939, p. 13)
There is no kind or breed of occultist which is not included beneath
the whited sepulchre of Pharisaic Talmudic Judaism, and which does not
appear in the Talmud and its Cabala. Always, power is ascribed to
spirits, and MAN is the creator and chief engineer depending upon his
mombo-jumbo "knowledge," hence the word "Gnosis," meaning higher
knowledge.
The Ma'aseh Mercabah and Ma'aseh Bereshet are called the very basis
of this occult Gnosticism. Pretending to be based upon Genesis
(Creation) and Ezekiel's chariot throne of God vision (Ezekiel I),
this last "mystery" is called "Merkabah."
The words "by other means" are the most significant in the definition
of the Merkabah in the Jewish Encyclopedia: "the mysteries rest on the
belief in the reality of things seen in an ecstatic state brought
about by ablutions, fasts, fervent invocations, incantations, and by
other means...the Merkabah rider must provide himself with amulets or
seals continuing mysterious names...The central figure in the ophany,
however, is the "Prince of the Face' Metatron...He is the one who
imparted to man all the knowledge of heaven and of the past and the
future." (Jewish Encyclopedia, pp. 499-500)
Pharisaic Mercabah
The Christian need not wallow in darkness. In the 1905 Jewish
Encyclopedia it was already clearly written down that the Pharisees
took over "Judaism," removed all "obnoxious verbiage" concerning God,
such as attributing to Him Intelligence and control over this world
and bestowed all Biblical powers ascribed to Him to lesser spirits, or
"angelic powers;" which is pure paganism. And, with the Angelology and
Demonology (of Babylon) and the Ma'aseh Bereshit and Ma'aseh Merkabah,
they amplified the Bible (into pantheism). Anthropomorphism, or
attributing to God any human quality like Intelligence, Love, or
Control, such as God gave man over the animal world, was "obnoxious"
to the Pharisee.
Even burning children to the demon Molech for black occult power is
allowed TODAY by the supreme scriptures of Pharisaic Judaism.
Judaism - Talmud - Part 10
Demonology of the Pharisees
All forms of demonology were adopted by the Pharisees and
incorporated into the "synagogue of Satan" when they took over
Judaism. Demons of the privy, of the night, of every phase of nature,
were and are catered to by the tenets and customs of this sect. The
Talmud book of Yadayim (hands) is on ritual hand washing in connection
with Pharisee demonology. The Talmud is larded with occult works and
practices.
Despite Moses' orders: "There shall not be found among you any one
that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire or that
useth divination, or an observer of times (astrology) or an enchanter,
or a witch, or a charmer or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a
necromancer. For all that do these things are an abomination unto the
Lord: and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive
them out from before thee; (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) yet all of these are
permitted by Pharisee scripture. (Sanhedrin 65a-65b)
Quoting this very Scriptural passage, the "sages" hold that calling
up demons to aid with sorcery is not idolatry since demons are not
thereby worshiped.
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(note: Jesus or Paul or somebody said "know Ye not that the one you recieve gifts from, the same is your master?")
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Solomon built temples to Moloch(Molech) in Jerusalem. it is MOLOCH that required blood sacrifice, specifically "innocent blood" of children, a theme that runs through the historical accounts of "the blood accusation" / "Jewish ritual Murder"(google them).
But first Google some expressions like
"Solomon +Molech", "Moloch +wikipedia", etc. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 381974
 Japan
2/28/2008 2:51 AM | | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
Actually, where we are all headed, into the higher dimensions, OP's description is quite valid. God is present and accessible in every moment.
It's just down here in 3D where we have forgotten our connection to the higher realm. The outer material world has become overwhelming and hypnotic and our DNA has been compromised for several thousand years. So God is more of a myth for many people than a reality.
Not for too much longer. Keep your chin up. |
| Abbadon
User ID: 379682
Sweden
2/28/2008 2:52 AM
| | Re: A "God" simply does not make sense. | Quote |
Anonymous Coward 382064]
oh do you know there AINT any proof of the exodus or the slaves that left egyp...
Blow smoke up someone else's ass.
And I said, "What is this, the burning bush? For God's sake, I'm not Moses."
And the Voice said to me: "And I'm not God. What has that got to do with it?" |
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