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DEATH IS BIRTH INTO ANOTHER DIMENSION

 
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using this supposition one could then also postulate that Birth into this dimension is death in another.
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I agree that no sane people should incinerate their former bodies; it's a bad karma to burn up your dead body; you should Ascend with it turning it into pure White Light or just give it back to the earth without burning it; burning is very malevolent custom.
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What utter nonsense! I will avoid the "white" light at all costs. It's what THE POWERS THAT BE promote, dumb ass.
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Fundies make excellent sheeple in that they give their power away to some fictitious being and absolutely fear the thought of thinking for themselves.
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Fictitious being?


this IS from your OP, with a message that you're promoting.....correct?




"We do not believe that one should 'fear God', we believe instead that if God is good, God should be loved, not feared. And - death also is good, it should be loved and welcomed with open arms when that time comes, but until that time comes - live according to the rule, 'Do as you would be done by."
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Like all animals, I am afraid that you are going to be very disappointed when you die and find.......nothing!
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when i die, i will be met by my dog. god i miss him.

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For some reason, I started getting interested in ASTRAL PROJECTION again.

I was into this several years ago... but I got scared one night in Indonesia when I was at home alone. I was just starting to fall asleep when I swear I heard something violently ratteling the door in the other room. It scared the crap out of me and I qiot trying for several years. People saw shadow spirits in that house too.

I have read that these types of experiences can happen and are frightful. But you just have to overcome the fear and keep trying if you want to proceed.

There are many web sites and stories about astral travel and obe experiences.

I downloaded a few e books and mp3 files for about $30.00 here:

[link to www.astral-projecting.info]


Here's an interesting forum:

[link to www.astralsociety.com]


Happy trails...


Best Wishes,
Stan P.
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remember there is no such thing as Hell,
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Good point!

Many people who believe in hell and also believe they are not worthy have reported being in a place of torment.

They quite well may have created it themselves.

They say thet your mind creates your environment.

Another interesting thing I read to support this is... If you havg a large poster on your wall... you can astral project into thet world. You can also add pictures of people you would like to meet there.

Fascinating.

I believe that understanding astral projection can be a great help for finding your way around after death. Else you could spend a lot of time stuck in the lower dimensions wondering around and not knowing how to navigate upward.

The more I read the less fear of death I have. That's a very good thing because it reduces your primary fear and you are also less controlled by TPTB who use that fear to control you.

Educate yourself because they want you to be ignorant and afraid.

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Oh Yea but you best be sure your in the right dimension.

Vote Obama Antichrist

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thank you for this post.

on one day in 2000 i woke up and was talking in a language for a while until i noticed that i was talking in a language that was not my language.. i even did not know what i was saying. As soon as i realized that i was talking in some strange language, i forgot it instantly.. I remember just one sentence and until this very day i don't know what it means. I searched for a meaning.. but none whatsoever found.

On that day i had a thought about the death as described at the link you provided. In almost exacly the same words. I wrote about this on GLp in the first dan Burish thread but it dd not get much attention. That we are being helped is also true to mee.

It is true, to me, that a baby MUSt die in its world to be born in our world.. the same goes up for us too.. we ave to die here to be born in another world...
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Were it not for the purpose of controverting erroneous views, men would have little incentive to continue their investigations, and as has been the rule in science heretofore, the truth will, in time, appear in this case.

One generation of students disproves the accepted theories of that which precedes, all working to eliminate error, all adding factors of error, and all together moving toward a common goal, a grand generalization, that as yet can not be perceived. And still each series of workers is overlooking phenomena that, though obvious, are yet unperceived, but which will make evident to future the mistakes of the present. So it is with scientists. They overlook prominent facts that stare them boldly in the face, facts that are so conspicuous as to be invisible by reason of their very nearness.

If, as is hoped and believed by the majority of mankind, even though some try to deny the fact, it is possible for man to exist as an association of earth matters, linked to a personal spirit force, the soul, and for the spirit force, after the death of the body, to exist independent of the grosser attributes of man, free from his mortal body, is it not reasonable to infer that the spirit, while it is still in man and linked to his body, may be educated and developed so as, under favorable conditions, to meet and communicate with other spirits that have been previously liberated from earthly bondage?

A study of true science is a study of God. Angels are organizations natural in accordance with God's laws. They appear superhuman, because of our ignorance concerning the higher natural forces. They exist in exact accordance with the laws that govern the universe, but as yet the attraction between clay and clay-bound spirit is so great as to prevent the enthralled soul of man from communicating with them. The faith of the religionist is an example of the unquenchable feeling that creates a belief as well as a hope that there is a self-existence separate from earthy substances. The scoffing scientific agnostic, working for other objects, will yet astonish himself by elaborating a method that will practically demonstrate these facts, and then empirical religion, as exemplified by the unquestioning faithful believer, and systematic science, as typified in the experimental materialist, will meet on common ground.

Have you not learned that wonder is an exemplification of ignorance? The child wonders at a goblin story, the savage at a trinket, the man of science at an unexplained manifestation of a previously unperceived natural law; each wonders in ignorance, because of ignorance. Accept now that all you have seen from the day of your birth on the surface of the earth, to the present, and all that you will meet here are wonderful only because the finite mind of man is confused with fragments of evidence, that, from whatever direction we meet them, spring from an unreachable infinity.
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Only Godless people with no TRUE faith seek eternal life outside of God. Or those who have continually committed such atrocities towards reverance of life that they fear death because they know punishment will follow death.
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T. Lobsang Rampa's books have helped me more than any others. I read them 25 years ago. They have helped me through many difficult situations, and have enabled me to connect to "source" for myself!
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His books were my first exposure to Eastern philosophy; the beginning of my personal "soul" journey.

I began reading them in 1968...


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THe light we are guided towards in death, is the opening of the vulva. As we re-enter the human experience, all previous knowledge is locked away deep within the soul.

Its not another dimension at all, its simply this one
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AC 338436, you have won the lottery. This is the secret. A little more in depth thinking would probably benefit anyone in denial of this truth.
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Tibetans say, 7 days the dead body must rest and be honored!!

The birth of a human is as well a death, the death of the beeing in other dimensions and coming to earth.
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Fundies make excellent sheeple in that they give their power away to some fictitious being and absolutely fear the thought of thinking for themselves.



Fictitious being?


this IS from your OP, with a message that you're promoting.....correct?




"We do not believe that one should 'fear God', we believe instead that if God is good, God should be loved, not feared. And - death also is good, it should be loved and welcomed with open arms when that time comes, but until that time comes - live according to the rule, 'Do as you would be done by."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 298610


"Jesus" is not the 'god' Rampa speaks of.
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Only Godless people with no TRUE faith seek eternal life outside of God. Or those who have continually committed such atrocities towards reverance of life that they fear death because they know punishment will follow death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 352800


It's precisely because I no longer 'worship' (original meaning was - to work for) any diety that I have no fear of death. When I was a staunch X-tian, I was forever wondering - 'what if?' What if I'm not worthy of going to heaven? That would mean I'm going to hell! Talk about instilling fear!!! It's not those of us who don't have "faith" (the Christian type)that fear death. It is those who beLIEve in the religious bull-shit!! I'm ever thankful for authors like Rampa and Monroe who tell it as it is from FIRST HAND KNOWLEDGE!!! The bible crap is third party material.
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rampa is one of the exceedingly few spiritual people with the GUTS to say that life on the other side is better than life here. there is simply no getting around this truth, IF you believe that thoughts create reality and that humans oppress other humans. if we remove this oppression, and if we have instant creation complete with "coaching" by ascended beings....could a person make a better life for themselves???

i have found that most "spiritual" people get tongue tied when questions like this come up.
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We dont have to Die. I believe our goal is to Master Creation. To travel all Realms and Dimensions with our body, To master vibration, being able to make our body nonphysical (raising its vibrations) and making it physical again, by pure intetion. Time Travel is possible, what we imagine is where we are going. Imagining is the same as sowing. Experience is sowing and reaping at the same time.

Destiny is Destination, we are free to choose where to Go.
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Read some Robert Monroe stuff. I'll catch you all at the orgy pile!
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We dont have to Die. I believe our goal is to Master Creation. To travel all Realms and Dimensions with our body, To master vibration, being able to make our body nonphysical (raising its vibrations) and making it physical again, by pure intetion. Time Travel is possible, what we imagine is where we are going. Imagining is the same as sowing. Experience is sowing and reaping at the same time.

Destiny is Destination, we are free to choose where to Go.
 Quoting: meandyou 379732


Why in hell do you want your body? The body is "OF" this world, but the real/true you is NOT of this world; it is of the spiritual realm. You seem to think your physical body is who you are. WRONG!!! Your theory leaves the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki literally in the dust. How can they ever get their physical bodies to become non-physical as you suggest? Might I suggest, their physical bodies are already non-physical thanks to the USA, AND, no doubt through some sort of extremely negative vibrations.
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Read some Robert Monroe stuff. I'll catch you all at the orgy pile!
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The "orgy pile" is in the lower astral plain. I intend to go much higher. The orgy pile consist of beings who do not realize they are dead and keep on trying to have sex. Monroe was quite disgusted with the sight!!
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Like all animals, I am afraid that you are going to be very disappointed when you die and find.......nothing!
 Quoting: Monadnock

ya, nothing compared to what your life has been like. ohhh so real and its realness in reality. pft
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"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization
"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep"
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Like all animals, I am afraid that you are going to be very disappointed when you die and find.......nothing!
 Quoting: Monadnock


It's very obvious you know diddly squat about animals. Having raised buffalo, I know a whole lot more than you do. After having read in one of Rampa's books that it takes 3 days for the spirit/soul to leave the physical body, I chose to watch a buffalo cow after she had lost her calf. She had given birth to a live calf, but a sickly one. After about a week the calf finally died. She stood guard over her dead calf, for not just one day, not just 2 days, but for THREE DAYS!!! During that time she did not allow a single scavenger bird, coyote, wolf, or human to get anywhere near the dead carcass. Incredibly, when I went to check on her and her dead calf on day 4, the carcass was already half eaten by the coyotes and she was no where around. So, tell me again that animals are "disappointed" at death and have no spirit/soul. You're a really dumb ass!!!!!!!
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We dont have to Die. I believe our goal is to Master Creation. To travel all Realms and Dimensions with our body, To master vibration, being able to make our body nonphysical (raising its vibrations) and making it physical again, by pure intetion. Time Travel is possible, what we imagine is where we are going. Imagining is the same as sowing. Experience is sowing and reaping at the same time.

Destiny is Destination, we are free to choose where to Go.


Why in hell do you want your body? The body is "OF" this world, but the real/true you is NOT of this world; it is of the spiritual realm. You seem to think your physical body is who you are. WRONG!!! Your theory leaves the victims of Hiroshima and Nagasaki literally in the dust. How can they ever get their physical bodies to become non-physical as you suggest? Might I suggest, their physical bodies are already non-physical thanks to the USA, AND, no doubt through some sort of extremely negative vibrations.
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The body is a thought. Everything is. It is an Illusion. A Hologram. It is made by you. The whole universe is your body.
What you are is conscioussness, everything else is your body. You can only experience. You may choose experience by choosing experience. Experience is Thought. Everything is Thought. You are a Thought. I am a Thought. This world is a Thought. A Thought is a Dream. A Dream is Mind. Everything is Mind. Everything is Made of Light. The physical world is mostly space, like a Shell. We experience through the senses. The Senses are portals, tunnels of Experience. We have vision, hearing, feeling, smell, taste and the sixth sense: mind. With the sixt sense we can translate the information we experience through the senses. With the sixth sense we can experience anything instantly. With the sixth sense we can translate sound into vision. Anything, Everything can be described as light. Light can be described as Vibration. Vibration can be translated into any sense. Vibration is Energy is Movement is Life.

With the mind we can create whatever we choose. Everything is Mind. There is no difference between what you experience and what you think. Experience of physicality is mind. Everything is Mind. Focus is choosing with your conscioussness. When you focus to experience through the senses you will experience Life.Everything is Living. Where you dont use mind, there is room for light to manifest in formless state.

When you feel, you realize the body. When you feel, you go into the body. You become one with the body. When you are completely in the body, You feel it completely. When you feel Your body completely You are no longer afraid of it, You are no longer fleeing from it. When you no longer flee from your body, you cannot die. Also, you can move anywhere in the body, which is all of creation. But first you have to enter the portal, which is your body.

Move into your body and it wont die.

Move into your body and you are complete, finally.

When you move into your body you may be scared, it may be experienced as dark or empty or something else may scare you. When you are scared, you leave the body. When you leave the body you no longer give it attention. What you give attention is what you give life. If you don't give attention to the body, it will die. If you dont give attention to feeling, you will no longer feel, then your body may die, feeling is what keeps us on the earth plane, You cannot feel earth without earth. Therefore you need a body made of earth.

If you loose your body you will have to incarnate again to experience earth. If you are scared of that body and dont give it attention, it will die. If you are scared of that body you cannot see who you are, then you are lost in confusion, in suffering. This is the cycle of Birth and Death.

You have been in many forms.

Come into your body, complete your form.

Dance with me.

Sing with me.

Live with me.

Come into the body.

Are you brave enough to come into your body?

Dare you come into your body?

Dare you awaken?

Dont you realise, to become conscious, you have to come into your body? You have to feel your body to wake up.

No one can do it for you, you have to do it yourself, this is free will. You are free to stay semi-conscious for as long as you choose. Frozen in fear? The body is warm. Forgiveness is feeling. When you dare to feel, you will finally realize, it was never dangerous. You will see, it is actually quite the contrary. The beings of higher realms will not show themselves to you, because if they did, their beauty would distract you. You would reach outward, leaving your body. They wish you complete the body and Ascend, by coming into your body.

When you come into your body by feeling, you give it attention. What you give attention you give life. When you give your body attention by feeling, you give it life. You will see it as light. You will feel it as joy. By coming into the body, this Joy will flow through you, raising your body, ascending your body, healing your body. Dare you feel what you feel? Dare you go "down the rabbit hole"?

Dare I?
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When you die, your soul energy is converted into antimatter and transported to the other side of the universe via naturally occuring white holes. This is true for any biological matter. The result of this is varying amounts of left over biological "radiation" which can manifest itself into the form of ghosts or other paranormal activity.

Earth resides in the half of the universe composed of 98.5% matter, while the other side of the universe is 98.5% antimatter. Sadly that half of the universe is hundreds of billions of light years outside the range of any known Earth-based telescopic systems.

Antimatter is converted back into matter in the same way, and thus a balance in the universe is maintained in what would be an otherwise static universal node. It's been easily explained in equations and demonstrated through several "black" projects in three different countries.
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Russian scientists contact nether world: [link to newsfromrussia.com]

Artem Mikheev is convinced that life after death exists. During one of the spiritual operations Artem asked if people and animals have the same size after death, the voice said, "You resemble waves".
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The Keeper of Time
[link to thebeloveddisciple.org]

Grandfather's Final Message
[link to thebeloveddisciple.org]

"Do not fear death. It is natural to be born and it is natural to die. We respect Life and we respect Death. We have the gift of Life because we are not strangers to Death. Through death we evolve forward to higher life. To stop the natural process of the cycle of life and death is to stop your forward progression to completed form.

As my grandfather would explain…"We do not shun Death, and if we have walked a good road, we do not fear death, because death is the doorway to a new body, a better evolved body, and a better life in the Fifth World. In the Fifth World (Heaven-among other names) finally a good man can live in a peaceful world where all men and women are brothers and sisters, and live in perfect harmony with Nature. We have all lived and died before, and the fact that we are still in this Fourth World means we have not yet perfected our actions and our service to our Earth Mother. We are still here in our imperfect bodies, and in this imperfect world, because we are still struggling to *know Her, and to serve Her, and to bring ourselves to as good as we can get, given our present physical limitations."

Give me Land and Life and I will honor Death and return to You and You may find me worthy of evolving to Fifth World and completed form of human being. I will never be afraid to return to You who gave me Life."
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So, all this Jesus business has got me thinking.

just WHO was the saviour for our forefathers BEFORE ole JC came on the scene?

I mean, it was ONLY 2000 years ago, and us monkeys have been around for millions of years, apparantley.

Totally agree with you OP BTW.

live according to the rule, 'Do as you would be done by.'

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