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Found a great article explaining the biblical stance on the rapture or rapiemur (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of rapio) from the Greek harpagesometha (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of harpazo) and its derivative and biblical meaning including context.


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Definition: Harpazo
v.
1. to seize, carry off by force
2. to seize on, claim for one’s self eagerly
3. to snatch out or away
~ from Thayer’s (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
 
In the Greek New Testament, the word harpazo is found a total of 17 times in 13 different verses. Each time harpazo is used this verb refers to a quick or sudden often violently physical “snatching away” or “catching away” of a person, a thing, or an idea. More important is the fact that in 5 of these 17 times harpazo is used in the New Testament harpazo ALWAYS refers to the literal physical (bodily) removal of a faithfully righteous human being from one place to another, or from one sphere of existence to another. The 5 times harpazo is used involving faithfully righteous people are when:
1. Philip is harpazo’d from the presence of the Ethiopian eunuch to a different location miles away (see Acts 8:39, AKJV)
2.  Paul is harpazo’d from the Earth to the Third Heaven (see 2 Corinthians 12:2, AKJV)
3. Paul is harpazo’d from the Earth to the Third Heaven; second reference (see 2 Corinthians 12:4, AKJV)
4. Bride of Christ is harpazo’d from the Earth to the clouds to meet Her Groom (Christ Jesus) in the air (see 1 Thessalonians 4:17, AKJV); the understanding here is that the Bride will be taken to Heaven to be with Her Groom
5. Christ Jesus is harpazo’d from Bethany near the Mount of Olives to His Throne in Heaven (see Revelation 12:5; cf. Luke 24:50-51; Acts 1:9; AKJV)
Each one of the above five supernaturally powerful acts of the Holy Spirit by which literal bodily removals of humans either from one place to another on Earth or from off of this Earth to Heaven proves that the Rapture is a biblically sound doctrine. In fact, the English words Rapture and Raptured actually are derived from the Latin verb rapio (catch up or take away), and rapio is used in the Latin Vulgate Bible (also referred to as The Vulgate).

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The point here is that many of America’s English words, like Rapture and Raptured, and etc., are derived from words found in the Latin Vulgate Bible—the most commonly used translation of the Holy Bible. St Jerome’s late 4th-century A.D. revised Latin translation of the old Latin Biblical Texts became The Vulgate, and The Vulgate was used over 1,000 years before the Protestant Reformation started! In essence, no other Holy Bible translation has been used longer than the Latin Vulgate Bible, and that includes the highly promoted Authorized King James Version (AKJV)!

So then, believers who doubt that the idea of a Rapture is in their English translations of the Holy Bible need to understand that it is from the Greek New Testament manuscripts that St. Jerome, scholar/translator, originally renders the Latin rapiemur (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of rapio) from the Greek harpagesometha (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of harpazo). Furthermore, in the English versions of 1 Thessalonians 4:17, rapiemur has been translated from Latin into English as either “we shall be snatched,” or “we shall be grabbed,” or “we shall be carried off,” and so forth. Similarly, harpagesometha has been translated from Greek into English as “we shall be caught up” or “we shall be taken away,” and etc. Moreover, as already mentioned, with every Latin and English translation of harpagesometha the meaning of this Greek verb always connotes a catching or taking that will be a violent, sudden event!

The point to this brief grammar lesson is that, as far as the meaning and tense of the Latin word rapiemur are concerned, this word is in agreement with the Greek word harpagesometha, since rapiemur and harpagesometha are the same tense and they both mean the same thing—a sudden and physical withdrawal; a seizing; a snatching, and so forth. So then, there can be no denying that English words like rapt, raptly, raptness, rapture, raptured, rapturous, rapturously, rapturousness, raptor, and so on, undisputedly are derived from rapio’s verb forms such as rapere, rapui, raptus, rapiemur, rapturo, and etc. Moreover, since rapio’s verb forms are accurate translations of the Greek harpazo’s verb forms, then it doesn’t matter if someone uses the AKJV’s “caught away” or “caught up” or if he/she uses the word “raptured,” or “snatched away,” or “taken up,” or “plucked,” or “taken by force,” and so forth, because they all mean the same thing—a very sudden nonconsensual seizure.

Thus, language in this case shouldn’t be used as a barrier to understanding a concept that most definitely is found in the Word of God—that concept being the Rapture. Put differently, the Greek, Latin, and English words used in 1 Thessalonians 4:17 all describe exactly how quickly the living Bride of Christ’s fleshly Body will be removed from this Earth and how fast that fleshly Body will be changed into a spirit Body, so it doesn’t matter if one particular English word is or isn’t in the English version of the Holy Bible someone is using. What should matter most is whether the concept of a Rapture is in the Word of God. Based on the words used in the ORIGINAL language of the New Testament, which is Greek, the concept of a Rapture most definitely is in the Word of God.

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I think what scares me about those who deny the rapture is in doing so, it can lead to laziness and/or causing one to be slack in their walk with Christ. I say this because if in fact there was no rapture, there would have to be a set of events such as the Anti-Christ coming upon the stage openly, the mark being introduced openly etc to kickstart the tribulation and then those on the fence or those believers who aren’t walking the true walk with Christ seeing these events would then start to get serious with God and that goes against how God works to begin with.

What true believers in Christ should be doing every day is living holy, forgiving all who’ve done them wrong, praying unceasingly for those lost, and spreading the word. The rapture which is biblical and sound doctrine could happen at any second and because of this fact, all must be ready at the blink of an eye to be taken. It goes back to the scripture of the wise virgins and their lamps.

I feel those left behind will be those living in sin with disregard or flat-out hatred for God obviously but also believers who weren’t living a holy, Christ-like life and when it does occur, in the blink of an eye, and that seven-year tribulation begins, utter terror will befall them and I don’t envy or can even fathom in the slightest what that feeling will be like. Pure horror and terror. Bone-shaking fear.

Of course the satanically-run media and politicians worldwide who are left behind will blame the disappearances on “aliens” and that will be the narrative they will run with to deceive millions upon millions who’ve been left behind and are bewildered. Peace and safety as the Bible states will be the worldwide slogan! Peace and safety! And it will be the exact opposite.
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Found a great article explaining the biblical stance on the rapture or rapiemur (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of rapio) from the Greek harpagesometha (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of harpazo) and its derivative and biblical meaning including context.


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Of course it's real. It is 40 days after the tribulation ends. Very real.
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Found a great article explaining the biblical stance on the rapture or rapiemur (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of rapio) from the Greek harpagesometha (the first person plural future passive indicative tense of harpazo) and its derivative and biblical meaning including context.


Let’s clear this up once and for all shall we?
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Of course it's real. It is 40 days after the tribulation ends. Very real.
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If you take into account the calendars it is actually 38 days.
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I think what scares me about those who deny the rapture is in doing so, it can lead to laziness and/or causing one to be slack in their walk with Christ. I say this because if in fact there was no rapture, there would have to be a set of events such as the Anti-Christ coming upon the stage openly, the mark being introduced openly etc to kickstart the tribulation and then those on the fence or those believers who aren’t walking the true walk with Christ seeing these events would then start to get serious with God and that goes against how God works to begin with.

What true believers in Christ should be doing every day is living holy, forgiving all who’ve done them wrong, praying unceasingly for those lost, and spreading the word. The rapture which is biblical and sound doctrine could happen at any second and because of this fact, all must be ready at the blink of an eye to be taken. It goes back to the scripture of the wise virgins and their lamps.

I feel those left behind will be those living in sin with disregard or flat-out hatred for God obviously but also believers who weren’t living a holy, Christ-like life and when it does occur, in the blink of an eye, and that seven-year tribulation begins, utter terror will befall them and I don’t envy or can even fathom in the slightest what that feeling will be like. Pure horror and terror. Bone-shaking fear.

Of course the satanically-run media and politicians worldwide who are left behind will blame the disappearances on “aliens” and that will be the narrative they will run with to deceive millions upon millions who’ve been left behind and are bewildered. Peace and safety as the Bible states will be the worldwide slogan! Peace and safety! And it will be the exact opposite.
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what scares me is lazy Christians that think they are so righteous they will fly away when millions of Christians have been killed for their faith and are still being killed
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As to the “alien” narrative they will run with after the rapture occurs, ever heard of Project Blue Beam? These people know what’s coming and throughly prepared and the whole point of it all is to deceive as many as possible to take the mark which will alter their DNA for good and make them no longer children of God therein damning themselves to eternal hell.

Or know ye not that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit which is in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own;

1 Corinthians 6:19

Satan wants to sit in the Temple of God which isn’t a building somewhere, it’s within you. God made you perfectly in his image and likeness. Satan isn’t after a building, he’s after your soul and he can attain it if one gives in and accepts the mark. Don’t ever take the mark if you find yourself left behind.

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I think what scares me about those who deny the rapture is in doing so, it can lead to laziness and/or causing one to be slack in their walk with Christ. I say this because if in fact there was no rapture, there would have to be a set of events such as the Anti-Christ coming upon the stage openly, the mark being introduced openly etc to kickstart the tribulation and then those on the fence or those believers who aren’t walking the true walk with Christ seeing these events would then start to get serious with God and that goes against how God works to begin with.

What true believers in Christ should be doing every day is living holy, forgiving all who’ve done them wrong, praying unceasingly for those lost, and spreading the word. The rapture which is biblical and sound doctrine could happen at any second and because of this fact, all must be ready at the blink of an eye to be taken. It goes back to the scripture of the wise virgins and their lamps.

I feel those left behind will be those living in sin with disregard or flat-out hatred for God obviously but also believers who weren’t living a holy, Christ-like life and when it does occur, in the blink of an eye, and that seven-year tribulation begins, utter terror will befall them and I don’t envy or can even fathom in the slightest what that feeling will be like. Pure horror and terror. Bone-shaking fear.

Of course the satanically-run media and politicians worldwide who are left behind will blame the disappearances on “aliens” and that will be the narrative they will run with to deceive millions upon millions who’ve been left behind and are bewildered. Peace and safety as the Bible states will be the worldwide slogan! Peace and safety! And it will be the exact opposite.
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what scares me is lazy Christians that think they are so righteous they will fly away when millions of Christians have been killed for their faith and are still being killed
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Did you read the above? Did you not read my mentioning of laziness? Where did I mention righteousness? Only thing I said is trying to live holy life, forgiving all who’ve done you wrong, accepting and walking with Christ, and praying.

The rapture is biblical and the Bible is God’s word. I think what you fail to realize purposefully is never in human history nor in the future of mankind will the Gates of hell be opened and Satan, the fallen angels, and demons be allowed to run amok hunting humans. The Bible calls this time the worst time in all of human history and worse than anything that lies ahead for mankind in terms of experiences. There will be famines, meteors, tornadoes, meteors, seas turned to blood, pole shifts, the sun darkening, stars falling, the moon turning to blood, earthquakes splitting continents etc.

You fail to recognize purposefully that the tribulation will be the worst time ever for mankind unlike any time other in history nor in the future and God will deliver his people from this time. I’d get serious about it if I were you as mocking and making light of this fast-approaching time as if it’s a joke is absurdly naive and dangerous.
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u are a friggin tard if you splitting hairs with nomenclature

and will be stuck here

even styx know that

and are just like 'huh, who knew? fascinating awesome and grateful nonetheless'

you should try that sometime

not 'are they wearing my team's hat?'

you do that and you will end up left behind
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and basically the all stars get raptured

you fux aint even making the team

but plenty of your type certainly think you're of the most esteemed order

didnt see you there and wont
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I think what scares me about those who deny the rapture is in doing so, it can lead to laziness and/or causing one to be slack in their walk with Christ. I say this because if in fact there was no rapture, there would have to be a set of events such as the Anti-Christ coming upon the stage openly, the mark being introduced openly etc to kickstart the tribulation and then those on the fence or those believers who aren’t walking the true walk with Christ seeing these events would then start to get serious with God and that goes against how God works to begin with.

What true believers in Christ should be doing every day is living holy, forgiving all who’ve done them wrong, praying unceasingly for those lost, and spreading the word. The rapture which is biblical and sound doctrine could happen at any second and because of this fact, all must be ready at the blink of an eye to be taken. It goes back to the scripture of the wise virgins and their lamps.

I feel those left behind will be those living in sin with disregard or flat-out hatred for God obviously but also believers who weren’t living a holy, Christ-like life and when it does occur, in the blink of an eye, and that seven-year tribulation begins, utter terror will befall them and I don’t envy or can even fathom in the slightest what that feeling will be like. Pure horror and terror. Bone-shaking fear.

Of course the satanically-run media and politicians worldwide who are left behind will blame the disappearances on “aliens” and that will be the narrative they will run with to deceive millions upon millions who’ve been left behind and are bewildered. Peace and safety as the Bible states will be the worldwide slogan! Peace and safety! And it will be the exact opposite.
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what scares me is lazy Christians that think they are so righteous they will fly away when millions of Christians have been killed for their faith and are still being killed
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Did you read the above? Did you not read my mentioning of laziness? Where did I mention righteousness? Only thing I said is trying to live holy life, forgiving all who’ve done you wrong, accepting and walking with Christ, and praying.

The rapture is biblical and the Bible is God’s word. I think what you fail to realize purposefully is never in human history nor in the future of mankind will the Gates of hell be opened and Satan, the fallen angels, and demons be allowed to run amok hunting humans. The Bible calls this time the worst time in all of human history and worse than anything that lies ahead for mankind in terms of experiences. There will be famines, meteors, tornadoes, meteors, seas turned to blood, pole shifts, the sun darkening, stars falling, the moon turning to blood, earthquakes splitting continents etc.

You fail to recognize purposefully that the tribulation will be the worst time ever for mankind unlike any time other in history nor in the future and God will deliver his people from this time. I’d get serious about it if I were you as mocking and making light of this fast-approaching time as if it’s a joke is absurdly naive and dangerous.
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You think if someone mocks YOUR idea of a non biblical theory is Mocking God or tribulation is proof of your self righteousness, I am sure you have read none of the early church fathers work otherwise you would know its not been taught until last century. You dont understand the difference between Gods wrath and Satans wrath, I would get serious about studying historical material rather than reading the "Left behind" novels otherwise you will be fooled and you will mix up the antichrist and the Christ and be deceived.
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1. Both Jesus and the Apostles clearly state that Believers will experience Tribulation.

2. Jesus clearly said He doesn't return until AFTER the Tribulation.

Thread: After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the Hebrews.
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Thread: Here we go....RAPTURE TARDS TURNING TO SATAN FOR RAPTURE PREDICTION. A NEW LOW FOR THEM.
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I think what scares me about those who deny the rapture is in doing so, it can lead to laziness and/or causing one to be slack in their walk with Christ. I say this because if in fact there was no rapture, there would have to be a set of events such as the Anti-Christ coming upon the stage openly, the mark being introduced openly etc to kickstart the tribulation and then those on the fence or those believers who aren’t walking the true walk with Christ seeing these events would then start to get serious with God and that goes against how God works to begin with.

What true believers in Christ should be doing every day is living holy, forgiving all who’ve done them wrong, praying unceasingly for those lost, and spreading the word. The rapture which is biblical and sound doctrine could happen at any second and because of this fact, all must be ready at the blink of an eye to be taken. It goes back to the scripture of the wise virgins and their lamps.

I feel those left behind will be those living in sin with disregard or flat-out hatred for God obviously but also believers who weren’t living a holy, Christ-like life and when it does occur, in the blink of an eye, and that seven-year tribulation begins, utter terror will befall them and I don’t envy or can even fathom in the slightest what that feeling will be like. Pure horror and terror. Bone-shaking fear.

Of course the satanically-run media and politicians worldwide who are left behind will blame the disappearances on “aliens” and that will be the narrative they will run with to deceive millions upon millions who’ve been left behind and are bewildered. Peace and safety as the Bible states will be the worldwide slogan! Peace and safety! And it will be the exact opposite.
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what scares me is lazy Christians that think they are so righteous they will fly away when millions of Christians have been killed for their faith and are still being killed
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Did you read the above? Did you not read my mentioning of laziness? Where did I mention righteousness? Only thing I said is trying to live holy life, forgiving all who’ve done you wrong, accepting and walking with Christ, and praying.

The rapture is biblical and the Bible is God’s word. I think what you fail to realize purposefully is never in human history nor in the future of mankind will the Gates of hell be opened and Satan, the fallen angels, and demons be allowed to run amok hunting humans. The Bible calls this time the worst time in all of human history and worse than anything that lies ahead for mankind in terms of experiences. There will be famines, meteors, tornadoes, meteors, seas turned to blood, pole shifts, the sun darkening, stars falling, the moon turning to blood, earthquakes splitting continents etc.

You fail to recognize purposefully that the tribulation will be the worst time ever for mankind unlike any time other in history nor in the future and God will deliver his people from this time. I’d get serious about it if I were you as mocking and making light of this fast-approaching time as if it’s a joke is absurdly naive and dangerous.
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You think if someone mocks YOUR idea of a non biblical theory is Mocking God or tribulation is proof of your self righteousness, I am sure you have read none of the early church fathers work otherwise you would know its not been taught until last century. You dont understand the difference between Gods wrath and Satans wrath, I would get serious about studying historical material rather than reading the "Left behind" novels otherwise you will be fooled and you will mix up the antichrist and the Christ and be deceived.
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You’re the same fella above who is still misreading what I’ve posted, taking out of context what I’ve posted, and still attacking and slandering for misreading and taking out of context what I posted (and I used the word “purposefully” twice in response to you above because you’re doing just that yet again).

Let’s go down the list.

It’s not MY idea of the Bible, it’s the word of God, it’s biblical as I’ve shown above and can continue to show you.

Where I have mentioned one having to be righteous? Answer if you can which you cannot as I’ve not said such.

It’s not been just taught in the century. You’re wrong as proven wrong above, it’s biblical. It dates back before the AKJV to the Latin Vulgate. Again, the rapture is biblical, not just made up over the last century as you presume. As the header of this thread reads, let’s clear this up.

As for wrath, God allowing Satan time on this earth is a form of God’s wrath. Also, what and how do you interpret the below scripture:

And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Revelation 6:16

As to getting serious about studying “historical material” whatever that means, the Bible itself along with an in depth study regarding translations (hence this thread to help others) is all one needs regarding this matter.

The fact is you don’t believe in the rapture. You don’t believe that Christ will rescue his followers from the most perilous time in human history nor of any time in the future of humanity. You believe the lie of Satan to keep people complacent and you’re putting yourself, by this belief alone, in danger of being left and you’re jeopardizing other people’s future as well if you spread such nonsense.

You my friend are the one who needs to study and change immediately. I think you severely underestimate how terrible these times are going to be that are ahead during the tribulation when God’s retainer is lifted (and true Christians are Harpazo’d or snatched). There’s still time to get right. Do it.
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1. Both Jesus and the Apostles clearly state that Believers will experience Tribulation.

2. Jesus clearly said He doesn't return until AFTER the Tribulation.

Thread: After the Tribulation Documentary - NO Pre-Trib Rapture

1. No scripture states that Believers / "the Church" will miss Tribulation.

2. No scripture states that Jesus returns BEFORE "the day of the Lord".

3. No scripture states that Jesus returns MORE than once.

4. No scripture states that Jesus takes "the Church" to heaven for any period of time.

5. No scripture states that Tribulation only happens to the Hebrews.
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Grossly wrong. Did you not read a single thing in this thread? I won’t even answer further until you attempt to learn.
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Jesus Christ doesn’t even know when the rapture will occur, only the Father. Anyone attempting to predict the rapture is going against God’s holy word.
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The World Wide Web was created at CERN. They will have a major hand in what’s ahead, opening a door that only God can shut.

Dis-CERN this:

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This is really very, very simple.

Prepare as though the rapture is not going to happen before tribulation. Rejoice if it does happen.

Not the other way around.
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Re: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all
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05/18/2022 02:11 PM
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Re: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all
This is really very, very simple.

Prepare as though the rapture is not going to happen before tribulation. Rejoice if it does happen.

Not the other way around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80816943

That’s fair but the beauty of it all regarding the rapture is that it’s God’s word and you can know that it will happen. I just don’t want anybody to suffer or be left behind, lonely, in danger, scared with no where to turn to, it’s the only reason I try and warn people and try to do so tactfully.

God is holy right? He is without sin and he cannot lie. He is perfectly holy. With that in mind, we as humans, born into these fleshly bodies which when born, are inherently sinful, must come to this realization that we all have sinned and fall short of God. He so loved us all, He sent his son down here to live among us and to show us all how to live. Jesus was tortured horrifically for living a sinless and innocent life, was mocked (the Son of God) and was hung on a cross for us all. He was raised from the dead after three days by God and in doing so, Jesus, for us all, conquered death and sin!

Although we believe in Jesus and are born again, people will still sin. It’s impossible really to not sin here and there because we’re in the flesh but the whole point of it all is just trying and if you do mess up, realize it and try and get better/stronger in that weakness and ask the Lord for help. But the whole matter of it all is the attempt to change in order to live with Him in heaven,

God only allows holiness in heaven and that is why the scripture says regarding trying:

“The Lord does not see as mortals see; they look on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

It is really, very, very simple. Believe in God the Father’s free gift to you and us all which is his Son Jesus who died for sin which had to be done (he paid the price), surrender this fallen world that is disintegrating daily before our very eyes, forgive those who’ve ever wronged you, love each other and try and live holy. Be happy even in this fallen world and all the terribleness going on around us. Don’t let it scare you or get you down, stand up and fear not. Don’t complain, just look up when you feel down and that alone will put a smile on your face. hf
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05/18/2022 02:28 PM
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Re: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all
This is really very, very simple.

Prepare as though the rapture is not going to happen before tribulation. Rejoice if it does happen.

Not the other way around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80816943

That’s fair but the beauty of it all regarding the rapture is that it’s God’s word and you can know that it will happen. I just don’t want anybody to suffer or be left behind, lonely, in danger, scared with no where to turn to, it’s the only reason I try and warn people and try to do so tactfully.

God is holy right? He is without sin and he cannot lie. He is perfectly holy. With that in mind, we as humans, born into these fleshly bodies which when born, are inherently sinful, must come to this realization that we all have sinned and fall short of God. He so loved us all, He sent his son down here to live among us and to show us all how to live. Jesus was tortured horrifically for living a sinless and innocent life, was mocked (the Son of God) and was hung on a cross for us all. He was raised from the dead after three days by God and in doing so, Jesus, for us all, conquered death and sin!

Although we believe in Jesus and are born again, people will still sin. It’s impossible really to not sin here and there because we’re in the flesh but the whole point of it all is just trying and if you do mess up, realize it and try and get better/stronger in that weakness and ask the Lord for help. But the whole matter of it all is the attempt to change in order to live with Him in heaven,

God only allows holiness in heaven and that is why the scripture says regarding trying:

“The Lord does not see as mortals see; they look on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”

It is really, very, very simple. Believe in God the Father’s free gift to you and us all which is his Son Jesus who died for sin which had to be done (he paid the price), surrender this fallen world that is disintegrating daily before our very eyes, forgive those who’ve ever wronged you, love each other and try and live holy. Be happy even in this fallen world and all the terribleness going on around us. Don’t let it scare you or get you down, stand up and fear not. Don’t complain, just look up when you feel down and that alone will put a smile on your face. hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80518784


I don't disagree with a single thing you've said.

However, at least in the cases of people I've dealt with, the rapture has become a "get out of jail free card". A reason to not be ready to face what may be coming. I know that's not the spirit in which it's taught, but that has become the practical outcome in a lot of cases. Christians need to be prepared for the fact that if rapture is wrong, we may be facing some very hard times and we need to be ready to be strong. And that's not something to be afraid of! It's something to be cherished - should any of us be lucky enough to be present for the final days, we will be but a small few compared to all those that came before us.
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05/18/2022 02:30 PM
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Re: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all
Oh I don't know your Greek is accurate but the lack of historical belief in the rapture until the 1800s lends me to believe in the traditional view. The traditional view being that most Christians are going to be martyred. So I would argue that the beheading of the Christian spoken of in Revelations is one and the same as the rapture. Singing songs enjoy and in the twinkling of an eye you're with Jesus.
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05/18/2022 02:33 PM
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Re: Harpazo, the Rapture is real and let’s just clear this up once and for all
Oh I don't know your Greek is accurate but the lack of historical belief in the rapture until the 1800s lends me to believe in the traditional view. The traditional view being that most Christians are going to be martyred. So I would argue that the beheading of the Christian spoken of in Revelations is one and the same as the rapture. Singing songs enjoy and in the twinkling of an eye you're with Jesus.
 Quoting: Desertwolf


I would also argue that malicious intent permeates much of our culture, including many churches. The fact that the "rapture" doctrine strongly resembles the central lie of "Qanon" (sit back and the good guys will rescue you just in time) also calls into question the origin and hefty push for these beliefs to be adopted.
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05/18/2022 02:35 PM
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Thread: URGENT: The RAPTURE actually IS in the BIBLE and not just 1800's prophecy MUMBLE-JUMBO -( HARPAZO )- Thankyou CHRIST JESUS!





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