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Possible Roundup of 166,000 California Homeschooling Families?

 
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Possible Roundup of 166,000 California Homeschooling Families?
They are now in violation of the LAW. Roundups into camps??

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(03-07) 04:00 PST LOS ANGELES --

A California appeals court ruling clamping down on homeschooling by parents without teaching credentials sent shock waves across the state this week, leaving an estimated 166,000 children as possible truants and their parents at risk of prosecution.

The homeschooling movement never saw the case coming.

"At first, there was a sense of, 'No way,' " said homeschool parent Loren Mavromati, a resident of Redondo Beach (Los Angeles County) who is active with a homeschool association. "Then there was a little bit of fear. I think it has moved now into indignation."

The ruling arose from a child welfare dispute between the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services and Philip and Mary Long of Lynwood, who have been homeschooling their eight children. Mary Long is their teacher, but holds no teaching credential.

The parents said they also enrolled their children in Sunland Christian School, a private religious academy in Sylmar (Los Angeles County), which considers the Long children part of its independent study program and visits the home about four times a year.

The Second District Court of Appeal ruled that California law requires parents to send their children to full-time public or private schools or have them taught by credentialed tutors at home.

Some homeschoolers are affiliated with private or charter schools, like the Longs, but others fly under the radar completely. Many homeschooling families avoid truancy laws by registering with the state as a private school and then enroll only their own children.

Yet the appeals court said state law has been clear since at least 1953, when another appellate court rejected a challenge by homeschooling parents to California's compulsory education statutes. Those statutes require children ages 6 to 18 to attend a full-time day school, either public or private, or to be instructed by a tutor who holds a state credential for the child's grade level.

"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28. "Parents have a legal duty to see to their children's schooling under the provisions of these laws."

Parents can be criminally prosecuted for failing to comply, Croskey said.

"A primary purpose of the educational system is to train school children in good citizenship, patriotism and loyalty to the state and the nation as a means of protecting the public welfare," the judge wrote, quoting from a 1961 case on a similar issue.
Union pleased with ruling

The ruling was applauded by a director for the state's largest teachers union.

"We're happy," said Lloyd Porter, who is on the California Teachers Association board of directors. "We always think students should be taught by credentialed teachers, no matter what the setting."

A spokesman for the state Department of Education said the agency is reviewing the decision to determine its impact on current policies and procedures. State Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell issued a statement saying he supports "parental choice when it comes to homeschooling."

Brad Dacus, president of the Pacific Justice Institute, which agreed earlier this week to represent Sunland Christian School and legally advise the Long family on a likely appeal to the state Supreme Court, said the appellate court ruling has set a precedent that can now be used to go after homeschoolers. "With this case law, anyone in California who is homeschooling without a teaching credential is subject to prosecution for truancy violation, which could require community service, heavy fines and possibly removal of their children under allegations of educational neglect," Dacus said.

Parents say they choose homeschooling for a variety of reasons, from religious beliefs to disillusionment with the local public schools.

Homeschooling parent Debbie Schwarzer of Los Altos said she's ready for a fight.

Schwarzer runs Oak Hill Academy out of her Santa Clara County home. It is a state-registered private school with two students, she said, noting they are her own children, ages 10 and 12. She does not have a teaching credential, but she does have a law degree.

"I'm kind of hoping some truancy officer shows up on my doorstep," she said. "I'm ready. I have damn good arguments."

She opted to teach her children at home to better meet their needs.

The ruling, Schwarzer said, "stinks."
Began as child welfare case

The Long family legal battle didn't start out as a test case on the validity of homeschooling. It was a child welfare case.

A juvenile court judge looking into one child's complaint of mistreatment by Philip Long found that the children were being poorly educated but refused to order two of the children, ages 7 and 9, to be enrolled in a full-time school. He said parents in California have a right to educate their children at home.

The appeals court told the juvenile court judge to require the parents to comply with the law by enrolling their children in a school, but excluded the Sunland Christian School from enrolling the children because that institution "was willing to participate in the deprivation of the children's right to a legal education."

The decision could also affect other kinds of homeschooled children, including those enrolled in independent study or distance learning through public charter schools - a setup similar to the one the Longs have, Dacus said.

Charter school advocates disagreed, saying Thursday that charter schools are public and are required to employ only credentialed teachers to supervise students - whether in class or through independent study.
Ruling will apply statewide

Michael Smith, president of the Home School Legal Defense Association, said the ruling would effectively ban homeschooling in the state.

"California is now on the path to being the only state to deny the vast majority of homeschooling parents their fundamental right to teach their own children at home," he said in a statement.

But Leslie Heimov, executive director of the Children's Law Center of Los Angeles, which represented the Longs' two children in the case, said the ruling did not change the law.

"They just affirmed that the current California law, which has been unchanged since the last time it was ruled on in the 1950s, is that children have to be educated in a public school, an accredited private school, or with an accredited tutor," she said. "If they want to send them to a private Christian school, they can, but they have to actually go to the school and be taught by teachers."

Heimov said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."
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Re: Possible Roundup of 166,000 California Homeschooling Families?
That'd take ALOT of manpower! 5a
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Families are easy...

knock down daddy - taze mommy - zip-tie - rinse - repeat
*yar har fiddley dee
plunder the market 'cause a pirate is free*
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That'd take ALOT of manpower! 5a
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A couple letters and a visit from the local cops. Taser, separate, "cha ching" another big boost to the prison system.
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my last name doesnt mean,plowman of dahkness for nuting you know.my father was also ss nazi for hitler.and we will torture all the home skool familiez who teach them about Jezuz since it is against the law to say dat name now in skools.
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isn't that the same number of people that are supposed to be raptured?
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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isn't that the same number of people that are supposed to be raptured?
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144,000 is the Rapture number. Looks like the families are out of luck.
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Heimov said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."
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And here I thought a child's parents were the one's who were responsible for the daily duty of ensuring their child's ongoing safety

wow
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Heimov said her organization's chief concern was not the quality of the children's education, but their "being in a place daily where they would be observed by people who had a duty to ensure their ongoing safety."


And here I thought a child's parents were the one's who were responsible for the daily duty of ensuring their child's ongoing safety

wow
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i wonder how many shootings have happened in a "homeschool", or drug deals, or rapes?

this is all so orwellian it makes my head swim, sending our children off to brainwashing factories, to "gun free" zones, where nobody has the means to protect the children should some psycho decide to kill them
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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are you sheeple going to take it?

sheeple, you outnumber the authority

get organized

you are not cattle to be herded

screw nazi Ahnold Swarzenigger
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"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28.


First they will get a letter stating to get their kids in school. Those who do not comply will be guilty of truancy, and the kids placed under the care of the state.

Any families who try to flee California will be hunted down and arrested. If a person is guilty in one state, moving to another state doesn't make it go away.

So the camps might be for these dissidents.
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are you sheeple going to take it?

sheeple, you outnumber the authority

get organized

you are not cattle to be herded

screw nazi Ahnold Swarzenigger
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 388282


now here is the voice of revolution!

REVOLT
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They better get ready for one helluva fight!
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"California courts have held that ... parents do not have a constitutional right to homeschool their children," Justice H. Walter Croskey said in the 3-0 ruling issued on Feb. 28.


First they will get a letter stating to get their kids in school. Those who do not comply will be guilty of truancy, and the kids placed under the care of the state.

Any families who try to flee California will be hunted down and arrested. If a person is guilty in one state, moving to another state doesn't make it go away.

So the camps might be for these dissidents.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 381149

So is this the guy who said you cant say mom or dad in school anymore because it offends the gays little feelings lol
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I could tell you how this and other things HAVE BEEN dealt with, with force of arms if necessary. But some idiot will then come on here and say how you'll go to jail, EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY DESCRIBED HOW IT HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT ANYONE GOING TO JAIL. And then when he finally gets it, he'll call us agent provocateurs.
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I could tell you how this and other things HAVE BEEN dealt with, with force of arms if necessary. But some idiot will then come on here and say how you'll go to jail, EVEN THOUGH I ALREADY DESCRIBED HOW IT HAD BEEN DONE WITHOUT ANYONE GOING TO JAIL. And then when he finally gets it, he'll call us agent provocateurs.
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well i say its time

i have always said my last button would be the children



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"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto
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A petition is being circulated if you care to sign it.
This is the website:


[link to www2.hslda.org (secure)]
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Laws lose their effectiveness when people see the courts as whores for political agendas. It's pretty obvious to most intelligent people that the government has become the whore of Babylon and now wants to get their claws in their kids to try to make sure they are forced into the system.

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