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HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???

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Eagle # 1
User ID: 385477
3/11/2008 10:38 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

I LIVED it, as a child of five, by 1933.

We were in a small town in Fairfield county, CT. There were still a number of farms, and almost everyone had a garden on their land ( of about an acre or more ) . Home from school ment a number of chores for my older brother and I. Hoeing out the weeds, hoeing UP the corn, feeding the chickens, rabbits and ducks.

In the fall, dad would take us to the deep woods to pick up hickory nuts ... FUN ! Cracking them late, by the hour, NOT fun ! QWe had 21 apple trees, and after spraying them in the spring/summer with arsenic of lead (one punping, one spraying ), we were also put to going through ALL the baskets of apples to weed out any rotten/turning so.
But, by the time I was seven, I was hunting and learning to trap muskrats in the streems. By the time I was nine, I came home from school, and with chores done, I took the twenty two rifle and hunted squirrel ( Sp ?), by walking down the main road for 1/4 to 1/3 of a mile before picking a spot to go into the woods.
There were NO police/swat teams to meet me when I came home. Eveyone one in the neighborhood KNEW who my father was AND that I had been taugh the responsible handling of guns.

Eagle
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 388218
3/11/2008 10:46 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Here's a priceless resource for oldtime skills:

[link to waltonfeed.com]


hf
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 353013



thanks for this great link
JCD
User ID: 188983
3/11/2008 10:51 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

I LIVED it, as a child of five, by 1933.

We were in a small town in Fairfield county, CT. There were still a number of farms, and almost everyone had a garden on their land ( of about an acre or more ) . Home from school ment a number of chores for my older brother and I. Hoeing out the weeds, hoeing UP the corn, feeding the chickens, rabbits and ducks.

In the fall, dad would take us to the deep woods to pick up hickory nuts ... FUN ! Cracking them late, by the hour, NOT fun ! QWe had 21 apple trees, and after spraying them in the spring/summer with arsenic of lead (one punping, one spraying ), we were also put to going through ALL the baskets of apples to weed out any rotten/turning so.
But, by the time I was seven, I was hunting and learning to trap muskrats in the streems. By the time I was nine, I came home from school, and with chores done, I took the twenty two rifle and hunted squirrel ( Sp ?), by walking down the main road for 1/4 to 1/3 of a mile before picking a spot to go into the woods.
There were NO police/swat teams to meet me when I came home. Eveyone one in the neighborhood KNEW who my father was AND that I had been taugh the responsible handling of guns.

Eagle
 Quoting: Eagle # 1 385477
I was raised just like that eagle. Except in the girlie way. LOL And I am waaaaaayyyy younger than you. We just call it being raised country. I love reading your experiences.
Things change when you least expect it.
SunRa
User ID: 353725
3/11/2008 11:13 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

i love reading ALL the stories here... thank you all so much for sharing...

hf
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 389922
3/11/2008 12:26 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Go rent the movie "The Grapes of Wrath".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 387677


At least 1/3 of Americans did NOT live on farms or in rural areas; it's not as if Chicago, NY, et al just sprang up after WWII.
And the U.S. (especially in those urban areas) was busy absorbing European, and especially East European, immigrants -- due to the tail end of the big immigration boom, plus the global Depression.

Since I'm steeped in NYC history, and my family lived through it all:
It was NOT a Golden Age of Brotherhood.
There were crooks, slackers, gangs, thieves, and ripoff artists; "nice" people brewing illegal-toxic liquor in the basement, or getting odd jobs with neighborhood crooks, or selling things that fell of a truck; and dirt-poor new or recent immigrants with culture-clash problems (assorted Old World bigotries, language problems, and difficulties with sanitation, indoor plumbing, and American customs).

But people pulled through for very non-mystical reasons. Mostly, it's that a then-non-techie society ALLOWED people to do more to get out of a hole.
Such as:

-- Most used coal for heating. So they weren't in the gas/electric co's total grip: If things got rough, they sent their kids to railroad tracks and trainyards to pick up coal that dropped from the cars.
Some of my relatives remember those trains' all-black coal-car crews: When those guys saw "poor kids" scrounging for coal at trackside, they'd wave and heave some big shovelsful of coal down for the kids.

-- People could raise chickens, rabbits, etc (even in cities) for food, or have communal veg gardens. Today, "food animals" would be a zoning violation, and there's no unclaimed gardenable space in most cities.

-- Businesses were mostly mom 'n' pop shops, so the owners had say-so, and also felt responsible for the community (even though their shoe pinched as well). They'd give people a break, pay a kid to deliver small things, hire someone to sweep -- not because they needed the help, but since they knew that just one 10-cent job could make a difference.
As a kid, my grandmother would be sent to get stale bread, for a penny, from the little local bakery. The owners were a Jewish couple from Poland, and (though their business was struggling), they did the goofiest thing: They kept "regular" prices for the better-off folks, but virtually gave the stuff away to the have-nots (and they knew who was who). Instead of giving a kid stale bread for a penny, they'd give him/her a fresh loaf -- and throw in cookies or a pastry "for your mother."
Italian and Polish butchers did similar things -- because everyone was in the same boat; no one could be high and mighty, or oblivious to the people around them.
But today, most stores are chains, or run from afar, and the staff can't just "decide" to show a little mercy.

-- Somehow, somewhere, people could find some manual labor to do: deliveries, repairs, cleaning, housepainting, window-washing, doing "home work" (sewing at home, for garment factories), bricklaying, temp construction jobs, road crew, door-to-door sales, newspaper presses ... ANYTHING.
But those jobs don't EXIST today: They're handled by private companies, contractors, or unions; and "home work" is illegal.
And frankly, most people today
(a) would regard those jobs as beneath them, and
(b) couldn't do them right anyway, since we've lost the labor/tool "reflex." We're too used to pushing paper, or sitting at keyboards. Most people can't even change a drill bit or a vacuum-cleaner bag with any intelligence -- much less ad-lib their way through an unfamiliar laboring job.

-- It was "normal" for kids to not graduate from high school -- due to the era, the abundance of blue-collar jobs, lax labor laws, and the immigrant groups who still viewed secondary-ed as a luxury. (Anyone who graduated from high school in the Depression was NOT awfully bad off. Anyone who went to college -- !!! -- was either truly privileged, or came from a family that was REALLY willing to suffer, and placing all of its bets on the kid's education.)
So you'd have 16-year-old kids working full-time in some factory, or pasting together several PT jobs, to help out the family.

-- ADULTS WERE GROWNUPS. Even KIDS were grownups -- so teens could be TRUSTED with all those adult-type jobs. Life was tough, but you had some responsibility for someone(s) other than yourself. You didn't quit when things stopped being "fun," or say "eww!" and have a hissyfit, because no one around you did that, either.
The only people exempt from this Code of Responsibility were (a) the mentally ill; or (b) totally hopeless pathetic losers (since it was a waste of breath to nag them), whom you pitied and ignored.
But today, it's as if most adults want to be rich/hunky/gorgeous kids, and all kids just want to be "famous."

-- They cut to the chase: survival. Whatever their bigotries, people LEARNED to get along, HAD to get out of their own "ghettos," and learned that other groups/religions/ethnicities weren't all that weird ... and were in the same boat.
As kids, my very-white-Euro grandparents routinely ate Sunday supper in the local black-pentecostal church: Throughout the Depression, the church hosted free suppers for all, with no "preaching." They made a point of being fancy (with napkins and flowers), so that the "guests" felt respected, not "poor."
The local synagogue had a food pantry and baked-goods breakfasts -- for all. The Italian, Polish, and German social clubs had free-food block parties.
And when people were in dire straits, with rent in arrears, neighbors held rent parties -- blocked off the street, played music, danced, and had people put something in the hat to help a family avoid eviction.

-- Many immigrants, or first-generation Americans, KNEW that their survival was up to themelves ... because they were broke newbies, at the bottom of everyone's totem pole, had experienced real hardship/discrimination in the places they came from, and knew that "established" Americans and WASPs didn't give a s--t about them, and regarded many of them as vermin.
They knew that life wasn't a happy-ending movie, real s--t happens, and if they didn't do something, they'd be roadkill.

-- They had communities. People in the same boat (regardless of ethnicity-religion-etc.) would help each other out ... by taking turns watching each others' kids, or feeding them lunch or dinner, so the parents could work.
Today, we're so mobile (and paranoid) that we barely know if we HAVE neighbors, until they sue us or get arrested.

So it wasn't magic, and people weren't any more ethical, religious, moral, etc. than they are now.
But they WERE more grown up: They didn't whine, point fingers, blame everyone else, sit in some private bubble, live totally in their heads, or think that all would turn out OK if they repeated some mantra or believed they could fly or mentally created their own reality. They lived right smack-dab in the real world.
JCD
User ID: 188983
3/11/2008 12:33 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

NICE post!
Things change when you least expect it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 372879
3/11/2008 12:36 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Its way worst now,almost everyone is hook on something:pepsi,coke,smoke,cigar,pills....already stress out!1 you dont give them they drugs boom 24 hrs and riot beginning.

In the great depression the wealthiest man were happy to see peoples didnt revolt agaisnt them but were in a letargic states,numb about all this...zombies.But this time the zombies are way more agressif.Thx to tv,music ,war. We gonna see the real side of everyone in this mess and 70% are dark souls already.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 12:39 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

how would we survive in our time???it was different back then how the hell would we do it now???
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 12:43 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

did people live on the streets???
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 12:50 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

hiding hiding hiding hiding
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 12:52 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

They sold out their future sons and daughters to industrial slavery under communism
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 12:52 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

I LIVED it, as a child of five, by 1933.

We were in a small town in Fairfield county, CT. There were still a number of farms, and almost everyone had a garden on their land ( of about an acre or more ) . Home from school ment a number of chores for my older brother and I. Hoeing out the weeds, hoeing UP the corn, feeding the chickens, rabbits and ducks.

In the fall, dad would take us to the deep woods to pick up hickory nuts ... FUN ! Cracking them late, by the hour, NOT fun ! QWe had 21 apple trees, and after spraying them in the spring/summer with arsenic of lead (one punping, one spraying ), we were also put to going through ALL the baskets of apples to weed out any rotten/turning so.
But, by the time I was seven, I was hunting and learning to trap muskrats in the streems. By the time I was nine, I came home from school, and with chores done, I took the twenty two rifle and hunted squirrel ( Sp ?), by walking down the main road for 1/4 to 1/3 of a mile before picking a spot to go into the woods.
There were NO police/swat teams to meet me when I came home. Eveyone one in the neighborhood KNEW who my father was AND that I had been taugh the responsible handling of guns.

Eagle
 Quoting: Eagle # 1 385477

hfnice story
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 12:56 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

The endorse private credit from the fed and take free handouts from the government.

They accepted licenses, permits, and regulations over freedom and liberty.

There was none required before 1933, and that is cause of the monetary system.

Accepting foreign currency puts you under foreign law, which is not protected by the USconstitution, because since your the king, you can contract for whatever you want, even contract your rights away.

Turn in your gold, it paid for everything thats out there. Every car on the lot, every burger in McDonalds ...

Thats why they only accept FRN's ... cause FRN's are debt .... anyone accepting FRN's for anything is a debtor hooked upto the USNational debt. Even if you accept them for your labor, which, is a fair exchange no one forced you into.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 12:57 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

They sold out their future sons and daughters to industrial slavery under communism
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376019

they did??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 1:00 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Go rent the movie "The Grapes of Wrath".


At least 1/3 of Americans did NOT live on farms or in rural areas; it's not as if Chicago, NY, et al just sprang up after WWII.
And the U.S. (especially in those urban areas) was busy absorbing European, and especially East European, immigrants -- due to the tail end of the big immigration boom, plus the global Depression.

Since I'm steeped in NYC history, and my family lived through it all:
It was NOT a Golden Age of Brotherhood.
There were crooks, slackers, gangs, thieves, and ripoff artists; "nice" people brewing illegal-toxic liquor in the basement, or getting odd jobs with neighborhood crooks, or selling things that fell of a truck; and dirt-poor new or recent immigrants with culture-clash problems (assorted Old World bigotries, language problems, and difficulties with sanitation, indoor plumbing, and American customs).

But people pulled through for very non-mystical reasons. Mostly, it's that a then-non-techie society ALLOWED people to do more to get out of a hole.
Such as:

-- Most used coal for heating. So they weren't in the gas/electric co's total grip: If things got rough, they sent their kids to railroad tracks and trainyards to pick up coal that dropped from the cars.
Some of my relatives remember those trains' all-black coal-car crews: When those guys saw "poor kids" scrounging for coal at trackside, they'd wave and heave some big shovelsful of coal down for the kids.

-- People could raise chickens, rabbits, etc (even in cities) for food, or have communal veg gardens. Today, "food animals" would be a zoning violation, and there's no unclaimed gardenable space in most cities.

-- Businesses were mostly mom 'n' pop shops, so the owners had say-so, and also felt responsible for the community (even though their shoe pinched as well). They'd give people a break, pay a kid to deliver small things, hire someone to sweep -- not because they needed the help, but since they knew that just one 10-cent job could make a difference.
As a kid, my grandmother would be sent to get stale bread, for a penny, from the little local bakery. The owners were a Jewish couple from Poland, and (though their business was struggling), they did the goofiest thing: They kept "regular" prices for the better-off folks, but virtually gave the stuff away to the have-nots (and they knew who was who). Instead of giving a kid stale bread for a penny, they'd give him/her a fresh loaf -- and throw in cookies or a pastry "for your mother."
Italian and Polish butchers did similar things -- because everyone was in the same boat; no one could be high and mighty, or oblivious to the people around them.
But today, most stores are chains, or run from afar, and the staff can't just "decide" to show a little mercy.

-- Somehow, somewhere, people could find some manual labor to do: deliveries, repairs, cleaning, housepainting, window-washing, doing "home work" (sewing at home, for garment factories), bricklaying, temp construction jobs, road crew, door-to-door sales, newspaper presses ... ANYTHING.
But those jobs don't EXIST today: They're handled by private companies, contractors, or unions; and "home work" is illegal.
And frankly, most people today
(a) would regard those jobs as beneath them, and
(b) couldn't do them right anyway, since we've lost the labor/tool "reflex." We're too used to pushing paper, or sitting at keyboards. Most people can't even change a drill bit or a vacuum-cleaner bag with any intelligence -- much less ad-lib their way through an unfamiliar laboring job.

-- It was "normal" for kids to not graduate from high school -- due to the era, the abundance of blue-collar jobs, lax labor laws, and the immigrant groups who still viewed secondary-ed as a luxury. (Anyone who graduated from high school in the Depression was NOT awfully bad off. Anyone who went to college -- !!! -- was either truly privileged, or came from a family that was REALLY willing to suffer, and placing all of its bets on the kid's education.)
So you'd have 16-year-old kids working full-time in some factory, or pasting together several PT jobs, to help out the family.

-- ADULTS WERE GROWNUPS. Even KIDS were grownups -- so teens could be TRUSTED with all those adult-type jobs. Life was tough, but you had some responsibility for someone(s) other than yourself. You didn't quit when things stopped being "fun," or say "eww!" and have a hissyfit, because no one around you did that, either.
The only people exempt from this Code of Responsibility were (a) the mentally ill; or (b) totally hopeless pathetic losers (since it was a waste of breath to nag them), whom you pitied and ignored.
But today, it's as if most adults want to be rich/hunky/gorgeous kids, and all kids just want to be "famous."

-- They cut to the chase: survival. Whatever their bigotries, people LEARNED to get along, HAD to get out of their own "ghettos," and learned that other groups/religions/ethnicities weren't all that weird ... and were in the same boat.
As kids, my very-white-Euro grandparents routinely ate Sunday supper in the local black-pentecostal church: Throughout the Depression, the church hosted free suppers for all, with no "preaching." They made a point of being fancy (with napkins and flowers), so that the "guests" felt respected, not "poor."
The local synagogue had a food pantry and baked-goods breakfasts -- for all. The Italian, Polish, and German social clubs had free-food block parties.
And when people were in dire straits, with rent in arrears, neighbors held rent parties -- blocked off the street, played music, danced, and had people put something in the hat to help a family avoid eviction.

-- Many immigrants, or first-generation Americans, KNEW that their survival was up to themelves ... because they were broke newbies, at the bottom of everyone's totem pole, had experienced real hardship/discrimination in the places they came from, and knew that "established" Americans and WASPs didn't give a s--t about them, and regarded many of them as vermin.
They knew that life wasn't a happy-ending movie, real s--t happens, and if they didn't do something, they'd be roadkill.

-- They had communities. People in the same boat (regardless of ethnicity-religion-etc.) would help each other out ... by taking turns watching each others' kids, or feeding them lunch or dinner, so the parents could work.
Today, we're so mobile (and paranoid) that we barely know if we HAVE neighbors, until they sue us or get arrested.

So it wasn't magic, and people weren't any more ethical, religious, moral, etc. than they are now.
But they WERE more grown up: They didn't whine, point fingers, blame everyone else, sit in some private bubble, live totally in their heads, or think that all would turn out OK if they repeated some mantra or believed they could fly or mentally created their own reality. They lived right smack-dab in the real world.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 389922

gasp
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 1:06 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

They sold out their future sons and daughters to industrial slavery under communism

they did??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162


Well, social security is a irresponsible program for those whom don't want to take risks to make it themselves.

I understand, some today may need it, and thats fine, they were tricked into it.

Its only needed because America's money has been hijacked. Now its a criminal 'elastic currency' whose value changes everyday second... it goes down!!

So, instead of telling you your labor is devalued .... you are offered 'free perks' that George Washington would PUKE at.

Social Security ... national debt.

Tax rebate ~ goes against national deficit

Income Tax ~ Goes to pay national debt (Grace commission)

ALL FEES AND COURT FINES ~ Goes to Federal Reserve Secreatary of Treasury.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 370334
3/11/2008 1:07 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

I've wondered that also. I guess there were some jobs.

My grandfather worked on the railroad and people would come by their house asking if they could work for a meal. My grand parents never turned anyone away. They had them do small jobs around the house and then my grandparents would sit down with them and give them a good meal.
 Quoting: I dunno 115


Sadly, (most not all) that came out of this generation. Their children their grandchild became some of the most selfish people in our world. They forgot (it appears to myself) to teach their children things such as hard work. Pride in self and family. They forgot to teach their children it is probably best not to steal from the hand that feeds you.

I have welcomed many into my home. Given them a shower, a hot meal, clean clothing, even given to some a place to lie their heads. Given to them resources to help themselves. This I can do. I cannot do your footwork. I have never asked in return for much. Maybe to mow my grass, sweep my porch or even something as simple as to clean up after yourself.

What did I get? I got every task force and at one point it felt as if the whole US military were on my tail. I have not given up on the human family. I now have much more insight as to how things are coming together.

Never did I think I would be the kind that would not help another human in distress. I am the woman I am today because of others who helped me in times of distress. I took advantage of these people in a way that helped me grow.

I am now in the position where I am able to give back. I will always be a giver. This will not change. This is something I will not change. A giver can always give more than a taker. Even if that means giving that taker a break.

I have had to become much more discerning as to who I will help. Who I give to. Most, take advantage of a good thing and will turn on you in a heart beat. Stories I could tell.

I am not saying do not help. Just be very careful as to who you help. I have found from personal experience most of these individuals are just little criminals. When you do report these little criminals. Guess what you become the bad guy. Most are just snakes in the grass.

Times have changed.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 1:10 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Municipal police are just mere revenue collectors for the Federal Reserve ...

Their job is to generate fees, fines and dues for you ..

Thats why all 'infractions' are mere victimless crimes, with no victime, no real complaint.

So they need you to 'contract' with them in order to make it constitutional.

Thats where your permits, licenses,... *promise to appear* ... Registration ... all comes into play.

You just said your bound to the United States debt because 'permits' 'licenses' are benefits of limited liability... Insurance is also a benefit in commerce. You can now be regulated under the USconstitution *commerce clause* .. which is the only clause which gives police any power.

Motor Vehicle is a commercial term in title 18 .... you can see the fog and mist begin to rise if you think about it alot.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 1:12 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

our Republics are held captive under a foreign money supply until the individual american people wish to change it with a change in though..

don't even need any guns or bullets..

Federal Reserve Notes fund all those guns and bullets... if they worthless.. than the armies will be worthless ....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 1:12 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

how did the usa pull out of it??? and end the depression ??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 1:13 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

how did we even get to that point and why cant the goverment do anything to stop it from happening??didnt they learn the first time??
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
3/11/2008 1:16 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

did people live in tents ?? thats what i heard??is it true??and if they did where??
Enigma
User ID: 70637
3/11/2008 1:17 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

my grand parents said those living in the country that were ALREADY growing a lot of their food, survived, though they had NO MONEY for shoes and clothes.

SHOES SHOES SHOES BOOTS

BOOTS! they need footwear...

and they grew their own food.

My Grandfather on my dad's side made out like a bandit in the depression, as he had dairy cattle and land to grow all his own grains... and because he was generating MONEY from the sale of milk, they bought MORE LAND...

so get some sort of job/product that EVERYONE NEEDS, even in hard times, and you will be able to generate cash flow...

bicycle tires
tubes

auto repair

"herbs" and alcohol

all are valued commodities...
"knowing and not DOING, is like NOT KNOWING at all"
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 1:18 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

how did the usa pull out of it??? and end the depression ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162


The US never pulled out of it ... it went insolvent and still is to this day.

I believe it is -$900,000,000,000 or something. So, they MUST follow the rules of bankruptcy and its creditor just as if KFC or McDonalds went bankrupt.

Since the "US" went insolvent , it can no longer use gold and silver to pay its debts... cause , any gold and silver should goto its creditors ... so, instead , they use the corporate script of their creditor the private 'Federal Reserve Board of Governors"

The trick is they want you to believe the United States National Debt is your debt also ... it is not.

In america, flesh and blood men and women are the kings, not "United States" .... but, the "United States" can not get a job, and would not if they could ...

You can though, so they take the income taxes out of your paycheck for the 'privelege' of using 'Federal Reserve Notes' which are not US congress issued money, but foreign issued private commercial currency.

So, you have openly contracted you are under the bankruptcy, and are bound to follow ALL RULES AND REGULATIONS OF CONGRESS.

Otherwise, Article 1 , Section 8, Clause 17 will protect you from that.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 355852
3/11/2008 1:19 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

They were better people then...most were skilled in many practical fields unlike the overspecialized cubicle rats of today...even those in the cities knew how to garden and many gardens sprang up in vacant lots...compare them to the metrosexuals today and thats the reason things will get out of hand...the first day the welfare checks bounce in the hood will show what kind of people a nanny state produces...good luck to all...


Yeah, no kidding, huh.

Two years ago my sister and I decided to go to Walmart for their huge early morning sale the day after Thanksgiving. We got up at 4 am to drive over and buy a tv or something. When we got there, there was not a parking spot in the entire huge parking lot...she dropped me off so I could get a place in the line while she looked for parking. My gawd, the line wrapped all the way around the building, and this was at 4:30 in the morning. Let me tell you, I didn't know there were that many thuggish looking folks in my town! It was a real eye-opener, cuz I figure that was actually only a small percentage of them. I thought about what it would be like if all of them were starving and I had some food. It's not going to be pretty.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 353013


Excellent point. We have all see on the TV how people behave if they think someone is getting a better deal than them, like a TV or something. Just wait until you are taking something off the shelf for purchase and they think you're taking the food out of their kid's mouths. We haven't seen nothing yet.

The biggest problems as many posters have pointed out is that there is many people were on farms during the last depression and that they didn't think too much of going without and working physically hard. If things get as bad or worse as the 1930s you are going to see riots and many people in a state of shock because it is not a lifestyle they want and will fight it every step of the way. Also those that are willing to do their own farming, etc. won't have the means to and this will lead to a lot of restructuring of society. I'm afraid of what the crime wave will do to the nation. People will fight their neighbor before they take it out on the people in Washington that deserve it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 389922
3/11/2008 1:19 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

I have to respectfully disagree. The vast majority of people nowadays just don't have the skills that the depression era folks had.

These days you'd be hard pressed to find someone who knows how to pluck a chicken or store food without refrigeration, etc.

How can they survive if they don't even know how to anymore?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 387440



It's not just the specific skill that's lacking: It's the problem-solving ability and adaptability.

-- If you have basic manual dexterity, can follow instructions, and see some bigger picture, you can learn/fake/ad-lib your way through most nonlethal tasks -- even if you've never plucked a chicken, or whatever, before.
-- If you can solve problems at all, you'll come up with ways to store food, or stretch it out, or make do.

But we've taken the focus off of problem-solving and confidence in "doing."
Our whole focus today -- in ALL age groups -- is All About Me. People don't analyze things, or see anything larger than themselves, or focus on objective facts.
Instead, it's like a giant psychotherapy session: "how this task affects ME," "how I FEEL about World War II (or black holes, or neuroscience)," "my OPINION of (blahblah)," or "my pop-psych take on [some complex issue that I really know nothing about]."

It's as if we're used to getting gold stars for creativity, bulls---ting, and emoting-as-seen-on-TV -- so we don't have to actually LEARN about anything other than ourselves and our interests, or do/face anything we don't like.
Even facts don't matter: All that matters is how we "feel" about it, or "having our say," or whatever nutjob thing we want to explain away or believe.

And that kind of amorphous-feely blobbery will knock the brains and common sense right out of you: You won't grow the problem-solving muscle that lets you tackle the real world, or "wing it," with any confidence.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 376019
3/11/2008 1:22 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Of course, you can negate any contract like that for 'fraud' , but you must know how many contracts and presumptions they have placed upon you ...

There can be tens upon tens of presumed contracts upon you with the United States gubermint.

License, Permits, insurance, registration, voting registration are all prima facie evidence you are bound to the US Debt.

Social security is one of the biggest ones, cause it all adds to the Nationa Debt... even the rebate check counts against the trade deficit.

See, there is a price for everything ... 'paying your fair share' has nothing to do with the original america..

How can you 'pay your fair share' in blood that was paid in 1776 and 1861 ?? The fair share is protecting it and keeping it alive, which americans have 99% have failed in.

Everytime i hear "pay your fair share" i see 1,000,000 dead american soldiers rolling in their graves.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 389738
3/11/2008 1:25 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

My great grandpa worked for the railroad and would kick coal off the train for people who needed it. My other great grandpa had bean fields and would not harvest the outer edges so the hungry could have it. hf
Frigg Stuyvesant Subscriber
Cui Bono?
User ID: 382601
3/11/2008 1:28 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

Great link AC 353013. I will check that out
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 381230
3/11/2008 1:30 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???Quote

how did my great-grand parents make it when there were no jobs during the depression? Moonshine, tobacco, other "cash crops". they did what they had to do, just like we will if it comes to that. the other side of my family owned thousands of acres, and sold bits of it off to keep food on the table. until the gov took most of it in the 40s, and put a bomb plant on it, yay. back then that was the biggest problem was food. not the mortgage, or the utility bills cause they didnt have them. its going to be harder for us, as were much more spoiled.
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