Well, social security is a irresponsible program for those whom don't want to take risks to make it themselves.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376019
Dude, you must be like 18, or one of those people who have too much money. Frankly, I'm glad social security is there for people (ESPECIALLY SENIORS) who may have never had very well paying jobs for their life, but have a little income to help cover bills.
Social Security pays crap for retirement, that I know. I cannot speak for disability or survivor benefits. It also wouldn't be near bankruptcy if congress didn't keep raiding it to bail their asses out. That's a rant for another time.
All it takes is a injury, car wreck, devastating illness, etc before all your life savings is cooked. So don't go spouting off about "irresponsible programs for those whom don't want to take risks". You have alot to learn about life's hard knocks.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 254942 3/11/2008 1:39 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
Back then people had integrity and family values. Nowadays I am not so sure. Me thinks it will get ugly. People want to take from each other and not band together and help each other. That is the whole problem. No unity.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 149882
You hit the nail on the head: back then, everyone was in the same deep well and they turned TO one another, not ON one another.
There isn't any unity in these United States. Too many people who don't pledge aligence to our flag are here and they would be more than ready to kill Americans for what little they could get.
Bank Robbers such Bonnie Parker & Clyde Barrow became HEROS to the Average American living in the depression.
John Dillinger as well.
They were criminals yes. BUT they were sticking it, it the system to the Federal Government. An with every state cop they gunned down, every bank that was robbed the average American cheered for Bonnie and Clyde. For in a sense they were revolutionaries for the common man.
Meanwhile 30-40% Unemployment gripped the country.
Soup lines feed millions.
and entire towns and villages were FORCLOSED on by the banks. The people evicted to wander the states for employment even a some bread to feed their families living in there FORD T's.
Its coming again folks.
Nightshade 09 "In a time of deceit telling the truth is revolutionary act." - George Orwell
Anonymous Coward User ID: 376019 3/11/2008 1:55 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
Well, social security is a irresponsible program for those whom don't want to take risks to make it themselves.
Dude, you must be like 18, or one of those people who have too much money. Frankly, I'm glad social security is there for people (ESPECIALLY SENIORS) who may have never had very well paying jobs for their life, but have a little income to help cover bills.
Social Security pays crap for retirement, that I know. I cannot speak for disability or survivor benefits. It also wouldn't be near bankruptcy if congress didn't keep raiding it to bail their asses out. That's a rant for another time.
All it takes is a injury, car wreck, devastating illness, etc before all your life savings is cooked. So don't go spouting off about "irresponsible programs for those whom don't want to take risks". You have alot to learn about life's hard knocks.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 355852
The only reason you are required to obtain insurance is because you obtained a 'loan' from a private central bank.
The national debt is representative of your Social Security.
Please explain how that is productive.
dookie stain User ID: 317540 3/11/2008 1:56 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
I hope when the depression hit, people would follow the example of NYers on 9/11 than the Katrina New Orleans model...Being a cynical city guy, I was quite amazed at the cooperation during 9/11...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 376019 3/11/2008 2:01 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
Well, social security is a irresponsible program for those whom don't want to take risks to make it themselves.
Dude, you must be like 18, or one of those people who have too much money. Frankly, I'm glad social security is there for people (ESPECIALLY SENIORS) who may have never had very well paying jobs for their life, but have a little income to help cover bills.
Social Security pays crap for retirement, that I know. I cannot speak for disability or survivor benefits. It also wouldn't be near bankruptcy if congress didn't keep raiding it to bail their asses out. That's a rant for another time.
All it takes is a injury, car wreck, devastating illness, etc before all your life savings is cooked. So don't go spouting off about "irresponsible programs for those whom don't want to take risks". You have alot to learn about life's hard knocks.
The only reason you are required to obtain insurance is because you obtained a 'loan' from a private central bank.
The national debt is representative of your Social Security.
Please explain how that is productive.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 376019
How is -$9,000,000,000 productive and responsible ??
You explain to me how that is responsible and representative of life's hard knocks and i'll go sign up for Social Security
I claim people were frauded into it , not given a fair choice ... you just claim they all intend to be socialist ..
I give em more credit than that, they are still my countrymen.
I heard a story about how some handled losing their farms. When it came up for auction a lot of 'fellow neighbors' would come to the sale and the bigger ones would stand beside anybody but the former owner and quietly whisper in their ear that their bid was a little high. The original owner was the one who ended up with his old land.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 390246 3/11/2008 2:03 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
I hope when the depression hit, people would follow the example of NYers on 9/11 than the Katrina New Orleans model...Being a cynical city guy, I was quite amazed at the cooperation during 9/11...
Quoting: dookie stain 317540
I'm a VERY cynical city guy. And as I expected: WIthin hours of 9/11, the ripoffs. thievery, and advantage-seeking began -- from politicians spinning it for personal gain, to looting of businesses and apartments in the Ground Zero area (liquor, laptops, bar furniture, tech gear, you name it: gone), to bogus fundraisers, to Giuliani creating a 9/11 Fund that he later tried to turn into a private empire.
Later, we got
- fraudulent insurance claims. (One multimillionairess claimed nonexistent damages, just so she could renovate her luxury loft);
- fraudulent 9/11 victim claims, including people who created fake relative-victims just so they could get a cut of the 9/11 Fund;
- fraudulent volunteers, who stole ghoulish memorabilia, victim IDs/watches, and store merchandise from the site;
- clueless nonprofit/aid groups trying to unload 9/11 donations by handing out checks to unaffected, well-off people (even when they protested that they didn't need it!)
- lots of $$ going to the haves (while have-not survivors/families fell through cracks);
- huge ripoff of a program to provide free air-cleaners and air-conditioners to affected residents. (People 40 miles away got free appliances, and middlemen made out like gangbusters.)
- volunteers being shafted (sometimes to death) re medical care
- wholesale thefts and resale of donated emergency supplies (even coffins!), thus insuring that the public won't donate socks, batteries, thermals, food, tools, medical gear, etc., in the next emergency;
- volunteer engineers being sued (thus insuring that no one will ever volunteer to help dig out another disaster site);
- firefighters being outraged by suggestions that they were racking up OT so they could retire early at highest pension. And within two years: So many had retired early that the fire dep't was in trouble.
- people using 9/11 as an excuse for every possible thing. A bunch of firefighter families went nuts when cops stopped them from having a beer-bust on a beach; they claimed it was a "memorial" for 9/11. An MD wrote tons of illegal narcotic prescriptions for his girlfriend; he said 9/11 made him do it. And a whole raft of defendants in DUI, larceny, felony, and drug cases blamed 9/11, even when their only connection to 9/11 was that they lived in NYC and had a pulse.
- families fighting over 9/11 Fund money: trying to exclude each other, or superwealthy widows/widowers insisting that they deserved gobs & gobs of $$ (and the hell with anyone else).
I can see it coming also.I am just not sure how it will play out this time.
Will there be chaotic stampedes and rioting?
Will there be martial law from the get go?
Will everyone fall off the cliff together or slowly?
What is a reliable equation for calculating how long it will take and how many will die from starvation exposure illness(chemtrails)and the like.
How will the food be controlled for the hungry with their hands out?
Could it get bad enough for cannibalism to re emerge?
Since there are soooo many more people everywhere now wouldn't that compound the problems exponentially?
Wouldn't everyone need to already be in the operation stage of disaster triage and self sustainability?
Anyone?
Quoting: Frigg Stuyvesant
It is my opinion. Everyone will run off the cliff together. The ones standing on the side of the cliff when they do. The survivors. They will be the ones who held out that helping hand as well as the ones who grabbed it. They will be the ones who in turn held out another helping hand. Hold on tight that hand is not only getting harder and harder to find. It is getting harder and harder to hold on to. Some hands are just slippery.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 231958 3/11/2008 4:44 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
I think, under dire enough circumstances, people tend to pull together for the most part.
Tradegies have a way of bringing 'community' together like nothing else.
Now, that being said, there will always be those who couldn't handle a big life change and turn to thievery and violence.
But a strong enough community could help each other to protect what they have from those kinds.
If you are worried about people raiding your gardens at night, I suggest container gardening. Plant foods in large contains that are on rollable pallets. Roll them in a secure building at night and roll them back out during the day for sunlight.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 387440 3/12/2008 5:32 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
WOW NICE PEOPLE they prolly werent scared of people then ,,but people today i dont trust
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Hi OP
you dont trust people because your untrustworthy
you think everyones like you
your painting everyone in your world with your own brush
change yourself, change your entire world
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 390246
Take your pop psychology and shove it.
There are people like Jeffery Dahmer and Ted Bundy out there. There are rapists, thieves, con men, and all kinds of takers and users in this world.
There are also plenty of good, decent people as well. The problem is knowing who's who.
Most of the people I know who have difficulty trusting others are not untrustworthy people themselves. They're honest, gentle, and generous people who've been burned once too often, repaid for their acts of kindness with nothing but kicks in the face.
Trust is something that has to be earned. Only a fool trusts everybody unconditionally. And only a simple-minded person could possibly believe that everyone who opts to proceed with caution in their dealings with others, does so as a result of "projection". Nothing is that simple.
FYI, 18 years ago, I had a run-in with a serial killer, but nothing happened to me. Why? Because I didn't trust him. Why didn't I trust him? Was it because I was an untrustworthy person myself? No. The reason I didn't trust him is because my gut told me not to. An internal alarm told me that something was very, very wrong, even though I didn't understand why this alarm was going off because the guy seemed so nice. I decided to go with my gut feeling instead of getting in this guy's car to go have a cup of coffee with him. The last thing he said to me and the way he said it, really creeped me out. When I politely declined his offer, he dropped his nice guy mask, stared me down with the coldest eyes I've ever seen, and said, "you're very wise".
Please, be careful out there, 390246. There really are people who are not worthy of your trust.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 328162 (OP) 3/12/2008 1:58 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
WOW NICE PEOPLE they prolly werent scared of people then ,,but people today i dont trust
=========================================
Hi OP
you dont trust people because your untrustworthy
you think everyones like you
your painting everyone in your world with your own brush
change yourself, change your entire world
Take your pop psychology and shove it.
There are people like Jeffery Dahmer and Ted Bundy out there. There are rapists, thieves, con men, and all kinds of takers and users in this world.
There are also plenty of good, decent people as well. The problem is knowing who's who.
Most of the people I know who have difficulty trusting others are not untrustworthy people themselves. They're honest, gentle, and generous people who've been burned once too often, repaid for their acts of kindness with nothing but kicks in the face.
Trust is something that has to be earned. Only a fool trusts everybody unconditionally. And only a simple-minded person could possibly believe that everyone who opts to proceed with caution in their dealings with others, does so as a result of "projection". Nothing is that simple.
FYI, 18 years ago, I had a run-in with a serial killer, but nothing happened to me. Why? Because I didn't trust him. Why didn't I trust him? Was it because I was an untrustworthy person myself? No. The reason I didn't trust him is because my gut told me not to. An internal alarm told me that something was very, very wrong, even though I didn't understand why this alarm was going off because the guy seemed so nice. I decided to go with my gut feeling instead of getting in this guy's car to go have a cup of coffee with him. The last thing he said to me and the way he said it, really creeped me out. When I politely declined his offer, he dropped his nice guy mask, stared me down with the coldest eyes I've ever seen, and said, "you're very wise".
Please, be careful out there, 390246. There really are people who are not worthy of your trust.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 387440
thank you i agree when the time comes i will not let everyone in my home to take whatever they feel i have kids to worry about im a good person but when the time comes i will NOT trust everyone
Anonymous Coward User ID: 328162 (OP) 3/14/2008 3:33 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
Check out the book The Encyclopedia of county living by Carla Emery.It covers subjects such as
Growing food
First Aid,Herbs,Building Shelters,Harvesting animals for food,Making Soap and hundred of other things that can help a family make it thru hard times.
My grandmother was born in 1915 and was a teenager during the depression. she said it was awful in the country. Her family made it by growing their own food,raising chickens. My g grandfather would hunt and barter work for other items needed. My grandmother would walk the railroads looking for coal to heat the house. People always teased "Nana" for being so frugal but I know that the "Great Depression" marked her life. She said she never wanted to experience anything like that ever again. People were different and
had values. I shutter to think what will happen when the bottom falls out. And fall out it will my friends. Katrina was a test. If you depend on the government to help you out you are in big trouble. We need to pay off credit cards, have cash on hand and not spend it. Start a garden even if it is a container garden. Buy extra canned goods when they are on sale. Stock up on meats when there is a sale. Hang onto your job! Sacrifice and survival will be the key. It does not have to get to a depression to be bad. When milk is $5.00 a gallon and gas is head to $4.00 with no end in sight people who do not have will take from those who have not. It is the law of the jungle. Everyone has the responsibility to take care of their own families and ban together in their communities. Help out others because if we give kindness and mercy we shall receive the same, And PRAY,PRAY,PRAY.
RECOMENDED READING
THE GREATEST GENERATION BY TOM BROCHAW
The Encyclopedia of county living by Carla Emery
kat The #1 Threadkiller User ID: 280901 3/22/2008 10:37 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
My parents both did. My father was the bread winner for his family at the age of 10. He sold newspapers. He worked odd jobs. He picked up dropped coal from the railroad tracks to heat his family's apartment. He never had a childhood. His father could not handle the depression. He was from money and he was not accustomed to struggling to survive. He spent time in prison and died as a bum in the back seat of an abandoned car.
My mother's father was out of work most of the depression. She remembers going apartment hunting regularly because they were behind in rent. She had holes in her shoes in the winter and always had wet feet. She never had a store bought dress until she was in her late teens. Her clothes were all made over from her aunts old ones. Her uncle, who worked for the newspaper and had regular work, would often bring them groceries so that they would not go hungry. As a kid she never learned to ride a bike because she never had one.
Both of my parents were scarred by their childhood experiences. It was not fun. They ofter went hungry. I believe that many of their health problems and their lower intelligence levels(then they should have had) was due to malnutrition as children. They were born of middle class, Yankee families. This sort of thing was not supposed to happen. No good deed goes unpunished.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 396655 3/22/2008 11:33 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
I've wondered that also. I guess there were some jobs.
My grandfather worked on the railroad and people would come by their house asking if they could work for a meal. My grand parents never turned anyone away. They had them do small jobs around the house and then my grandparents would sit down with them and give them a good meal.
WOW NICE PEOPLE they prolly werent scared of people then ,,but people today i dont trust
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162
Because back then people had something natural called a "common culture" and common genetic backgrounds.
Today we've been forced a gunpoint to become the "multi-culture" and integrated.
If things go bad now...pockets of civil war could result - per the plan of the sick elite.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 397445 3/22/2008 11:38 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
At least 1/3 of Americans did NOT live on farms or in rural areas; it's not as if Chicago, NY, et al just sprang up after WWII.
And the U.S. (especially in those urban areas) was busy absorbing European, and especially East European, immigrants -- due to the tail end of the big immigration boom, plus the global Depression.
Since I'm steeped in NYC history, and my family lived through it all:
It was NOT a Golden Age of Brotherhood.
There were crooks, slackers, gangs, thieves, and ripoff artists; "nice" people brewing illegal-toxic liquor in the basement, or getting odd jobs with neighborhood crooks, or selling things that fell of a truck; and dirt-poor new or recent immigrants with culture-clash problems (assorted Old World bigotries, language problems, and difficulties with sanitation, indoor plumbing, and American customs).
But people pulled through for very non-mystical reasons. Mostly, it's that a then-non-techie society ALLOWED people to do more to get out of a hole.
Such as:
-- Most used coal for heating. So they weren't in the gas/electric co's total grip: If things got rough, they sent their kids to railroad tracks and trainyards to pick up coal that dropped from the cars.
Some of my relatives remember those trains' all-black coal-car crews: When those guys saw "poor kids" scrounging for coal at trackside, they'd wave and heave some big shovelsful of coal down for the kids.
-- People could raise chickens, rabbits, etc (even in cities) for food, or have communal veg gardens. Today, "food animals" would be a zoning violation, and there's no unclaimed gardenable space in most cities.
-- Businesses were mostly mom 'n' pop shops, so the owners had say-so, and also felt responsible for the community (even though their shoe pinched as well). They'd give people a break, pay a kid to deliver small things, hire someone to sweep -- not because they needed the help, but since they knew that just one 10-cent job could make a difference.
As a kid, my grandmother would be sent to get stale bread, for a penny, from the little local bakery. The owners were a Jewish couple from Poland, and (though their business was struggling), they did the goofiest thing: They kept "regular" prices for the better-off folks, but virtually gave the stuff away to the have-nots (and they knew who was who). Instead of giving a kid stale bread for a penny, they'd give him/her a fresh loaf -- and throw in cookies or a pastry "for your mother."
Italian and Polish butchers did similar things -- because everyone was in the same boat; no one could be high and mighty, or oblivious to the people around them.
But today, most stores are chains, or run from afar, and the staff can't just "decide" to show a little mercy.
-- Somehow, somewhere, people could find some manual labor to do: deliveries, repairs, cleaning, housepainting, window-washing, doing "home work" (sewing at home, for garment factories), bricklaying, temp construction jobs, road crew, door-to-door sales, newspaper presses ... ANYTHING.
But those jobs don't EXIST today: They're handled by private companies, contractors, or unions; and "home work" is illegal.
And frankly, most people today
(a) would regard those jobs as beneath them, and
(b) couldn't do them right anyway, since we've lost the labor/tool "reflex." We're too used to pushing paper, or sitting at keyboards. Most people can't even change a drill bit or a vacuum-cleaner bag with any intelligence -- much less ad-lib their way through an unfamiliar laboring job.
-- It was "normal" for kids to not graduate from high school -- due to the era, the abundance of blue-collar jobs, lax labor laws, and the immigrant groups who still viewed secondary-ed as a luxury. (Anyone who graduated from high school in the Depression was NOT awfully bad off. Anyone who went to college -- !!! -- was either truly privileged, or came from a family that was REALLY willing to suffer, and placing all of its bets on the kid's education.)
So you'd have 16-year-old kids working full-time in some factory, or pasting together several PT jobs, to help out the family.
-- ADULTS WERE GROWNUPS. Even KIDS were grownups -- so teens could be TRUSTED with all those adult-type jobs. Life was tough, but you had some responsibility for someone(s) other than yourself. You didn't quit when things stopped being "fun," or say "eww!" and have a hissyfit, because no one around you did that, either.
The only people exempt from this Code of Responsibility were (a) the mentally ill; or (b) totally hopeless pathetic losers (since it was a waste of breath to nag them), whom you pitied and ignored.
But today, it's as if most adults want to be rich/hunky/gorgeous kids, and all kids just want to be "famous."
-- They cut to the chase: survival. Whatever their bigotries, people LEARNED to get along, HAD to get out of their own "ghettos," and learned that other groups/religions/ethnicities weren't all that weird ... and were in the same boat.
As kids, my very-white-Euro grandparents routinely ate Sunday supper in the local black-pentecostal church: Throughout the Depression, the church hosted free suppers for all, with no "preaching." They made a point of being fancy (with napkins and flowers), so that the "guests" felt respected, not "poor."
The local synagogue had a food pantry and baked-goods breakfasts -- for all. The Italian, Polish, and German social clubs had free-food block parties.
And when people were in dire straits, with rent in arrears, neighbors held rent parties -- blocked off the street, played music, danced, and had people put something in the hat to help a family avoid eviction.
-- Many immigrants, or first-generation Americans, KNEW that their survival was up to themelves ... because they were broke newbies, at the bottom of everyone's totem pole, had experienced real hardship/discrimination in the places they came from, and knew that "established" Americans and WASPs didn't give a s--t about them, and regarded many of them as vermin.
They knew that life wasn't a happy-ending movie, real s--t happens, and if they didn't do something, they'd be roadkill.
-- They had communities. People in the same boat (regardless of ethnicity-religion-etc.) would help each other out ... by taking turns watching each others' kids, or feeding them lunch or dinner, so the parents could work.
Today, we're so mobile (and paranoid) that we barely know if we HAVE neighbors, until they sue us or get arrested.
So it wasn't magic, and people weren't any more ethical, religious, moral, etc. than they are now.
But they WERE more grown up: They didn't whine, point fingers, blame everyone else, sit in some private bubble, live totally in their heads, or think that all would turn out OK if they repeated some mantra or believed they could fly or mentally created their own reality. They lived right smack-dab in the real world.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 389922
ditto.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 431842 5/12/2008 10:18 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
My grandparents said that families moved in with each other, with grandparents, parents and adult children and their children living in same house as room permitted. They lived in a city but the cities weren't all asphalt & cement then. And there was bare land between many of the cities with small farms to barter or buy things from.
They had a large depression garden and they kept a few chickens and rabbits, etc. There were short-term jobs (like for a day or two) and usually at least one adult from the household would be able to get some cash ahead every week or two.
The older adults owned the house so no house payment which was not uncommon then. Expenses were different - no big house payments, insurance payments, car payments, credit cards, etc.
Nowadays it would be harder to survive - at least for those in the cities. Plus families don't seem to be as close now as they were then.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 389872
In other words-- communism, but hush now chile. You don;t wanna upset the natives
Anonymous Coward User ID: 445679 6/4/2008 12:31 PM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
They ate food moron. They traded their freedom and liberty for socialism and funny money.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 384461
Your a real Jerk! Lets see how you do when your starving from the up and comming depression. I hope if you ask for help, they tell you " go eat something you moron"
Sen Yama User ID: 457608 7/3/2008 4:24 AM
Re: HOW DID PEOPLE SURVIVE THE GREAT DEPRESSION???
I want to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this so far. It really is a good, informative thread. I needed to know these things.
I am one of the few teenagers know who is not a total wimp. I am soft, that much is true, but I am not a slacker like the others. My parents have taught me the value of hard work, and that there is no job beneth me.
I don't want this to happen, but we all know that it is coming in the next 4 years, which is sad. I wanted to go to college...
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