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Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?

 
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Remember Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer?

His death was a mystery-he was possibly, even murdered because, of a recent discovery he made in the field of computer science.

While working with Northrup, designing the MX missile, he came up with a "mathematical formula" that would allow matter to travel faster than the speed of light.

What follows next is strange behavior and then he disappears. Before vanishing, he left a cryptic message to Iron Butterfly drummer and close-friend Ron Bushy (Bushy & Kramer worked on projects together including, an unreleased album) about seeing him "...on the other side."

After that, nothing-until, 4 years later when his skeletal remains were found inside the wreckage of a minivan that had plunged down a 450-foot ravine outside of Malibu, California!

Although, the discovery allowed closure, his family and friends still refuse to believe it was suicide. After he disappeared, his wife, Jennifer, said her husband "would never, for any reason or under any circumstances, allow himself to completely abandon the family he loves more than life itself." Ron Bushy voiced similar feelings, telling the Los Angeles Daily News that he does not believe Kramer killed himself. "I don't think it was a suicide," he said. "That's just not like Taylor. I've never known him to run away from something. He just tackles it head-on. He had a zest for life.

The bottom-line is that the whole incident smacks of murder and theft. Obviously, his discovery would mean a world of difference in how we view not only computers but, reality in general. Since his field of study was computer-based and since he was not that far-removed from the Silicon Valley or Seattle for that matter, conspiracy theories about his demise abound! Personally, I wonder if his mathematical formula was quantum in nature-perhaps he discovered how to formulate/build a "quantum computer?"

Any thoughts on this? Is it possible that he created the ground work for "quantum computers?" If so-isn't it odd nothing of that design has emerged to the public arena yet? Maybe, TPTB are milking the idea for all it's worth. The possibilities of such a concept are simply mind-boggling! Imagine what a discovery could do for the wrong people-controlling the world is only the start of it!

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I have always found his story fascinating. We will never see him again.
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A mystery that might not be answered. And his story is similar to other scientists who were either reported missing or found murdered. The real question is, how far is safe enough to stick your proverbial neck out, if you know too much? I really believe that Taylor made a breakthrough but was silenced because of it. God bless him.
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wow how many murders are the people going to put up wwith?
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I think I remember Ed Dames remote viewing Kramer's fate correctly. The location anyway. The only thing I ever heard him do that turned out to be true!
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there was a guy on a show a few years back about this story, and he claimed that he got a call from him and he said that at the end of the phonecall he said that "OJ was was a cover story and he wasn't the killer"

I forget what show this was on ,but I remember in the promo they said there was an update to the story and and they had mentioned the phonecall before, but this last part of the conversation wasn't revealed til now

does anybody remember this ?
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Oh right, he was bumped off because of his secret knowlege about OJ. 1rof1
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I think I remember Ed Dames remote viewing Kramer's fate correctly. The location anyway. The only thing I ever heard him do that turned out to be true!
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Wonder how he knew. (cough cough)

Maybe the "killer space fungus from Africa" tipped him off.
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Oh right, he was bumped off because of his secret knowlege about OJ. 1rof1
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no, seriously, I saw this on tv sometime 2-5 yrs ago

I remember I saw the original and when the sho aired again several yrs later it was the same episode with updates, they also had footage of the ravine when he was found
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He left, very uncharacteristically. Nothing fits. This guy wasn't dropping acid, or did he ever? Somehow, I get the impression that family is holding back on some very personal information. o.k., Kramer was brilliant and creative. Given the unusual circumstances surrounding his death, of course, psychiatrists deduced a Dissociative episode. Deduction being, the "thin line between genius and madness." I'm a nurse. I hear dissociate used a lot these days, especially when nobody knows what the hell is wrong. A well-seasoned remote viewer, Major Ed Dames, was asked to "view" Kramer's case. He plain out claimed Kramer had been murdered by known persons. I read an Art Bell interview where Dames also repeatedly mentions to Kramer's sister something about family shame? Of what? Mental illness? What? Who knows? On the other side, Kramer knows.
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I had never heard of this.

I do wish science would start teaching about quantum physics as I think it would change how we view our world. Of course, religions would have to change, too, which might be why we're still where we are today.
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anti-depressants?
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When people make ground breaking discoveries, then die suddenly (this isn't the first time this has happened); it is usually because it has a high significance to those who are the "rulers of the darkness of this world." I think those who have been studying this mystery for a long time are on the right track.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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You know what's really a tragedy about Mr. Kramer's case. When he was alive, he displayed symptoms of mental illness. And people all around him witnessed his behaviors. Yet, no one helped him. Sleep deprivation alone would've added to his psychosis. His untimely death obviously was staggering for loved ones left behind who (probably to this day) refuse to take personal responsibility for their role in either ignoring or failing to help him. Really it's very sad. You can't place blame. Nevertheless, his family obviously grief stricken. Not just for their loss of this wonderful man, but for their role in not helping him. Thus, this might explain why so many are grasping for rationalizations of conspiracy -- to deny personal responsiblity, their role in his demise. At this point, Mr. Kramer leaves behind his grieving family. Some folks really don't know very much about mental illness and, therefore, don't recognize the symptoms. But, his symptoms (behaviors) seemed so obvious. Mr. Kramer may have been very good, also, at concealing/suppressing. Especially the amount of paranoia and pressure all around him. I don't really buy conspiracy theory. I think his case is pretty black and white. He was just truly sick. And no had the foresight to get him care. But even if is loved ones and friends had managed to get him on medications and inpatient care, this might not have guarenteed a happy outcome. Somehow, people still manage to kill themselves. Being a fledgling writer, his story is a sad one which immediately captures the attention. I'm surprised that someone hasn't tried to make his story into a movie/book.
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a number of years ago, 20/20 did a show on this. showing that he had a part time job with nasa. and that he had shared some top secret info with family and friends. specifically that nasa had discovered how to travel faster that the speed of light and something about the ability of communicating across open space. something like that. if i remember right he had called his parents and wife a few days or hours before his death. he told his parents that "they" were coming to get him. he told his wife that if someone called her saying that they were going to kill themselves that it wasn't him that called.
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I am not sure where all the facts come from on these TV shows or if your memory matches what was on the show. The show I saw said he told his father - "if I say I am going to kill myself I am not going to but I need help.

But really I do not know any more than want I read online and see on TV.
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Suicide? Murder? Breakdown of social fabric?

Its now 2008. This tragic incident happened over 13 years ago. Philip "Taylor" Kramer’s TMM Inc. TMMI . I was moved by a TV show investigating his strange disappearance. (recently aired but made in 2000 )

Disappearing in 1995, in 1999, Kramer's minivan and skeletal remains were found by photographers looking for old car wrecks in a 450’ deep canyon ravine.

Which theory will you lean toward: The alien abduction theory – mini van and body returned versus tear in social fabric? What are “some” of the facts surrounding this case? What lesson is there for us?

Son of Ray Kramer: with extraordinary intelligence, Philip "Taylor" Kramer achieved much in his 42 years being a rock star, up to 6 on the charts, (LSD?) leadership and later business achievement, highly respected, yet his behavior was marked by mania, obsession, gravity wave theory, compulsion, Celestine - paranoia, and claimed a super nova to be due in 1999. Maybe this was from his company CEO who claimed to be the child of an alien and whose office shaman said OJ was innocent.

Sad to say many of these things seem common in our modern world.

1994 corporate bankruptcy & reorganization - Feb 1995 death –

We all know what it is to work to hard on something, stay up too late, be driven and exhausted.
The pressures of the world along with self imposed pressure add up to points of failure.

Involvement in spiritual interests can have a positive or negative effect not to be underestimated. Belief is everything so it seems.

We are also influenced by the people around us.

I wonder about any chemical issues - viral - organic - chemical, chemical exposure, extreme diet, drugs, Psychedelic Drugs anti-depressant failure or medication issues?

Staying up till dawn – Was depression or a sleep disorder adding to this?

Exhaustion and psychic pressures alone can tip the balance of one’s behavior. People do commit suicide.

Other facts of this case tell of some strange verbal exchanges according to others close to him. Philip "Taylor" Kramer went from calm, lucid and normal conversations to some rather extreme claims, talking to God, saving the good people? “I love you more than life” click-hang up “See you on the other side” Add some other strange calls from him and it adds up to some mental and emotional extremes.

Most everyone knows what it is to break under pressure. Perhaps he had it worse.

Like a crack addict, it seems in his right mind, the clear one, Kramer would never leave his family. In an extreme mind all sorts of possibilities could happen. Suicide is possible. I think murder is also possible. Who knows?

His supposed cell call to 911 – I am going to kill myself - mentioning OJ being “innocent – saying “they did it.”

Remember in Feb 1995 the OJ trial was ongoing at the time of this 911 call.
In 1994-95 many of us had questions about the OJ case and the truth. It was all over the news.

If that was his state of mind – he was not well informed on OJ, but maybe his ego was claiming “I KNOW THE TRUTH” Look at me – I Know a shaman - I am great, I have reached the 10th Celestine level. Maybe that was his state of mind? Or maybe he was taking sides with the underdog, the accused, the oppressed – projecting his own loss and insecurities over the truth and false accusation, and wanting to be saved or save someone in the news. I want to be a super hero.

In time many OJ facts would come to light that Philip "Taylor" Kramer and his CEO Olsen did not know in early1995.

February 1995 Philip "Taylor" Kramer made his last call “OJ Innocent”
October 1995 Simpson was acquitted
1997 civil trial & Simpson was held liable for his ex-wife & Goldman's death.
September 2007 Simpson was arrested and felony charged with robbery with a deadly weapon, burglary with a firearm, assault – kidnapping coercion - all with the with use of a deadly weapon (which carries possible life sentence), all with conspiracy to commit these crimes.

I am sure there are many lessons we can learn from any story about mental and behavioral extremes. What will be our response when we see or experience it in ourselves or others?

In the news OJ was guilty of numerous violent raging incidents involving bodily injury to women.
Even with a history of violence and police calls, for years, no one did much to respond to OJ’s extreme behavior. He had the money.

He also had that smiling “I never do anything wrong” attitude common to blamers. It’s not my fault “I loved her too much” it’s her fault. She drove me to hit her over and over. And now there is that OJ book “If I did it” telling how in detail. He is a defective product of a torn society allowed to stay on the market way too long.

OJ’s recent incident with guns drawn and threats in a hotel room tell us this type of person is not innocent and lovable. He is manipulative and without remorse or certainly not enough remorse to prevent him from hurtful behavior. Sure the gun thing in the hotel was without an accidental discharge but there could have been. You point a gun or knife at anyone and you have raised the bar and the chance of tragic problems.

OJ was never innocent but seemed to get away with many violent incidents. Drugs were a part of the OJ & Nicole relationship history and we know what happens to inhibitions with chemicals.

The point of this discussion is I find it interesting to look at the lives lost and see what can be learned to help ourselves or those around us.

OJ, Philip "Taylor" Kramer, Nicole and Ron all needed help. The fabric of our social world need not be torn the way it is. The social fabric can be much stronger and more enjoyable.

The people around trouble, see many clues, but are not trained to identify nor respond.

Before OJ’s wife was murdered, there were years of horror signs that something terrible could happen. A violent ex-husband with a history of drug abuse and a raging ego was virtually overlooked, ignored, not responded to. And Ron Goldman was in the middle, another tragic yet preventable loss of life.

If anything we can learn to look for the signs of extreme behavior and intervene to save a life or our own.

OJ should have been on at the very least a lifelong ankle bracelet, drug testing, and GPS today and pay for treatment or institutionalization. Nicole, her family and friends should have also had their guard way up with that psycho OJ on the streets.

How long was there something building or deteriorating in Philip "Taylor" Kramer? For a year or so people were concerned. The day of his disappearance, he was required to call and reassure his friend when he woke up that morning, and that is a sure sign that people were worried.

We do need creative people who look to theories faster than the speed of light, On the edge they need care maybe even more so than many. The importance of the social fabric should be looked at.
I am certain a better educated community, friends, family and business associates of Philip "Taylor" Kramer could have prevented his death, be it suicide or murder. He should not have been left alone.


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You don't start drawing conclusions until you have lots of information. The preponderance of evidence suggests that the guy had a mental breakdown and killed himself. End of mystery.

Regarding Mr. Kramer's mathmatical formula, if someone stole his research and ideas, why aren't we doing it now? Do we even know what this formula was. The answer is, we don't really know what was going on with this guy. It's been 13 years since he died. What happened to his research? If Mr. Kramer's research, mathmatical formula, whatever, was stolen, where is it now? It just doesn't make any sense. If it was real, researchers would be swarming to duplicate his work, carry on his legacy. Some articles suggest that his father had some knowledge of Kramer's research.

If someone took something so valuable to society (that is, stole it), where is it now? Why aren't we seeing it now?

The response of Mr. Kramer's wife, friends and family is absolutely typical of suicides. They can't believe that he killed himself. And it's sad.

Mrs. Kramer's statement that her husband would never leave is tragic because he did. She just doesn't want to believe that he would abandon her. But he did.

Maybe it's a disservice to the the family to feed into the ideas of conspiracy.

Mr. Kramer called his friend (Bushy) and said, "I'll see you on the other side." Suggesting that he knew that he was going to die. He could have been delusional. He might have even thought that after he died, that he could come back.

His friend, Mr. Bushy, told reporters that Mr. Kramer had a zest for life, tackled things head on and would never run away [from something]. Except he was mentally ill and no one helped him.

"Quantum computers". "Cryptanalysis". o.k. I admit my understanding is limited as a nurse. I learned this much: that cryptanalysis would be very important in terms of defense. If Mr. Kramer did indeed have such an important discovery, wouldn't we be promoting his ideas instead of hiding his research? And since we are not winning the war on terror, one can presume his research/ideas/formula has not manifested.

I, too, was curious about his case and read articles. His story can be twisted in so many directions. A writer's dream-come-true. But all my knowledge is based on heresay; that is, what I've read on the internet or seen on television (less than heresay). One article said Kramer and his wife argued about money problems. Stress was everywhere in his life coming at him from all directions. He was mentally ill, in financial ruin, fighting with his wife over money, rung out literally from the intensity of his work. One could speculate that wear and tear and strain shattered him. I'm not even going to address his belief system and cultish Celestial Prophesy-believing work associates.

The guy killed himself. Look at all the things that surrounded his life. High stress. Mental ill. He did it.

Still he was a human being. Beloved son, husband, father and friend. Brilliant and creative. Even more important, he was a good person. We should respect his life and his memory.
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More thoughts ...

I admit, I didn't understand Mr. Kramer's final words. Mr. Kramer's statements, "O.J. is innocent." "They did it." Meaning, "they" got O.J. off the hook? Clue me in. Maybe Kramer was (fantastic as it seems) trying to prove that he could indeed "time-travel". Sounds bizarre, right? Maybe he made these comments to prove that he could travel into the future, witness the end of O.J.'s trial and come back with information that no one could possibly know except someone who could "time-travel". Remember the movie, Back to the Future. At least, he might have believed he could do so. Maybe he's in hiding, like Osama Bin Ladin.

Another thought, Mr. Kramer's work place guru had planted those ideas about O.J., right? This reminds me of Charles Manson. Under duress, it can happen to anyone. Cults ... If the guru told Mr. Kramer (in his compromised state) that he needed to drive his car off a cliff to reach nirvana (or prove his research), he might have so. It might have been only a random suggestion of the guru (to test his own capabilities of mind-control. Or, perhaps the guru had planted the idea of suicide in Kramer's mind, (the guru under duress with threat of his loved-ones being brutally murdered. It's plausable. Just as enough have self-imposed suicide to attain, in the end, (exactly how many?) virgins to have sex with. Have you read Jerry Gordon's, "Will Muslims Get 72 Raisons Instead of Virgins & Other Speculations." I didn't really have time.

More mindless babble, so, you say, why? What would have been the motive to dispose of Mr. Kramer? Senseless ... Why would anyone kill another person. Just because they can? Maybe Mr. Kramer was the experiment. You see. Obviously many twists and turns. What is the truth?

Mr. Kramer's case screams of injustice. A good man dead. A man too smart for his own good. A man with so much to offer the world. Philip Taylor Kramer was a marked-man from the moment he conceived his formula. Just as our government sought to eliminate those who harbored weapons of mass distruction, our enemies sought to eliminate Mr. Kramer. Or maybe in our own backyard, maybe some felt that Kramer was a defense threat, better off dead than alive, given his mental instability and powerful research. In a nutshell, these are my conspiracy theories. And I am not a theorist.

If Kramer was truly a victim of murder, rather than suicide, will any of us live to see justice be done?

This brings me back to O.J. which I learned a lot from you. What was so blatantly obvious was dismissed, despite the evidence. Can we relate this horrific outcome to Mr. Kramer's case.

Suicide? Highly likely. Why? In this case, the truth might not set you free and the answers could potentially do more harm to you (and me) than good.
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As a healthcare provider, my compassionate side tells me that no one deserves to die like this guy. What is the truth?
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As a healthcare provider, my compassionate side tells me that no one deserves to die like this guy. What is the truth?
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>Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?

Its here: [link to www.tmmi.us]
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So ... His ideas were valuable beyond measure. I wish I had known him. Clearly, he was such an awesome guy. So many loved him. Probably still do to this day. It's really a shame no one has solved his case. Everything "seems" to point to suicide. But my gut (intuitive) says no. Such a great guy. Why can't we solve his case? He deserves so much more than mere speculation.
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I had never heard of this.

I do wish science would start teaching about quantum physics as I think it would change how we view our world. Of course, religions would have to change, too, which might be why we're still where we are today.
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Where've you been hiding out? Science has been teaching quantum physics and quantum mechanics for 80 years or so.

Here ya go:
[link to library.thinkquest.org]
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]
[link to rugth30.phys.rug.nl]
[link to www.quantum-physics.polytechnique.fr]
[link to theory.uwinnipeg.ca]


There's a watered down version (the ones above are watered down versions) for high school students here:
[link to phys.educ.ksu.edu]

And the absolutly-latest-hot-off-the-presses information is here:
[link to xxx.lanl.gov]

So it's out there. Most people don't bother to look.
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I heard that Inna-gadda-da-vida really was "In the garden of eden" originally or something like that. Anybody ever hear this?
Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.
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If you feel like going there again, read this:
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So ... His ideas were valuable beyond measure. I wish I had known him. Clearly, he was such an awesome guy. So many loved him. Probably still do to this day. It's really a shame no one has solved his case. Everything "seems" to point to suicide. But my gut (intuitive) says no. Such a great guy. Why can't we solve his case? He deserves so much more than mere speculation.
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The truth about what really happened was posted here last month, but it was promptly deleted!

The real killers are already known, it just a matter of proving it!
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>Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?

Its here: [link to www.tmmi.us]
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The mystery of Kramer's death revolves around his work with Total Multimedia Inc., not anything to do with Iron Butterfly. Kramer did co-found TMM with Randy Jackson by the way, it was previously called The Randy Jackson Entertainment Corporation. I am trying to get the name of the company's secretary who was found dead within 48 hours of Kramer's disappearance, it should make for an interesting side note, especially how she died. Peter Olson, a former executive at IBM and MCI was president of the company that the time. Olson, a follower of the The Celestine Prophecy was convinced Kramer was the 10th insight which resulted in all sorts of bizarre events. There was a radio interview with Kramer's father which he described the meaning behind Kramer's last statement of "I’m going to kill myself. And I want everyone to know O.J. Simpson is innocent. They did it.". The interview is replayed occasionally, it would be very interesting to get a transcript. Kramer's father claimed the OJ reference is to some business associates who believed OJ was innocent, a clue leading to perhaps what happened to Kramer. Also, some people claim Kramer was distraught over Total Multimedia's financial matters which is not true. The company was well off because of Olson's MCI links and Kramer was ecstatic over a breakthrough he recently made in his work. After Kramer's disappearance all of Total Multimedia's hard drives were wiped clean and according to SEC records MCI entered into a $36 million contract with Iterated, the company Kramer/TMM was working with to develop fractal video compression. There is still more. Decker Canyon was searched just after Kramer disappeared which came up empty. His van was pushed over at a later date with Kramer in it. The license plates were removed by who ever drove the van to Decker Canyon. The killers pushed the van over the cliff and then realized they forgot to put the plates back on the van. They threw the plates down the canyon after the van which landed some distance away. This obvious clue was never followed up by the police after discover Kramer's bones in 1999. The police also failed to link the death of TMMI's secretary within 48 hours of Kramer's disappearance. She knew too much!
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Re: Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?
the more I read of this story, the better it gets.
thanks all !
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Re: Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?
Very strange indeed. I'd like to know more. Thanks for the info
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Re: Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?
When people make ground breaking discoveries, then die suddenly (this isn't the first time this has happened); it is usually because it has a high significance to those who are the "rulers of the darkness of this world." I think those who have been studying this mystery for a long time are on the right track.
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Ditto