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Whatever Happened To Iron Butterfly bassist, Philip "Taylor" Kramer's Idea?

 
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Nice picture, Anonymous ...
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"Montaigne, the great French Renaissance thinker wore a medallion on which were inscribed the words ‘Que sais-je?’ (’What do I know?’). This is real, classical skepticism - not a bigoted, reductionist dismissal of anything outside of one’s own limited experience."
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i recall watching an episode of something,it may have been unsolved mysteries but not sure and if anyone knoww where to find this episode online let me know because in the episdoe it speaks of his disappearance but said his wife found his truack by the airport and i think his wallet inside but then some time later on the news they report his truck was found in the water.
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Decker Canyon was searched just after Kramer disappeared which came up empty. His van was pushed over at a later date with Kramer in it. The license plates were removed by who ever drove the van to Decker Canyon. The killers pushed the van over the cliff and then realized they forgot to put the plates back on the van. They threw the plates down the canyon after the van which landed some distance away. This obvious clue was never followed up by the police after discover Kramer's bones in 1999. The police also failed to link the death of TMMI's secretary within 48 hours of Kramer's disappearance.
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To begin with, people must realize that police are generally dim-witted boobs who primarily exist to generate municipal revenues by issuing traffic citations. In other areas of police work, the police don't like to get involved with any disturbance or crime of any sort until AFTER the event is over - and they then collect the evidence and write it up as a report (which fits their evidence) and if the evidence doesn't fit, they modify or fabricate that evidence. The truth is too complicated to explain. The lack of real evidence is not sufficent to "close" a case. Police work is an excercise in processing problems (traffic accidents, domestic disputes, burglaries) and CLOSING them - without regard to accuracy nor truth. If you believe otherwise, you are a fool. Anyway, in this Kramer case, I don't find it unusual that they searched Decker Canyon and found nothing after the disappearance. Consider the Sandra Levy murder in which "extensive" searches for her turned up nothing for years - when it turns out she was dead and rotting away in the very park of her last known whereabouts. Consider also the murderer of Johnny Versace. A nationwide manhunt was done for that murderer and they couldn't find him. Turns out he had committed suicide and was on a houseboat within eyesight of the murden scene! What's worse is even AFTER the police got on the boat looking for the guy's corpse, it took them HOURS to find it because he wasn't sitting propped up on a chair on the deck of the boat! Also consider the death of that Scott Peterson's wife. The very area in which she was dumped overboard was searched extensively - yet they didn't find her for ages until her bloated corpse floated onto a pile of rocks. The 2001 snipers (Malvo and Muhammad) completely eluded police. They were found asleep in their blue 11 year old car by a truck driver! The police had checked that car's license plate several times near the locations of several of the shootings, yet disregarded it because they were looking for a team of terrorists driving around in a new white van. In my own experience, a guy was driving home late at night on a highway from his girlfriend's house, fell asleep at the wheel, drove right off the highway and landed in a tree. It took weeks to find him.. and he was found by a city worker mowing the grass alongside the highway! Another example of how stupid and useless police are involves the murder and dismemberment in 2003. The police had initially sent out a large team of investigators to work on the case, but when they determined that the body was found 50 feet beyond the city limit in an unincorporated area - they dropped the case - AFTER finding the body! In other words, police will not venture off the sidewalk or asphalt road and get their shiny shoes scuffed up to investigate anything. They would prefer to set up speed traps on roads with unrealistic 25 mph speed limits to nail people with revenue generating citations.
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Please take this seriously ...I dont hope to gain a thing.I met a man in Lakeside alternitives who fit the description of Phillip Taylor Kramer at the end of 96 or 97.He talked about many things that were barely audible.I met him the night i got there.I asked him why he was there and he simply said "I don't know".The next morning at breakfast he would not leave my side.He kept speaking about all kinds of stuff technalogical that I didn't underrstand.The one thing I did understand is that he said he had been working on things.Its like he did not know who he was and suddenly the next morn he knew alot more...I might be mistaken , but the thing I heard clearly was guidance systems and lost submarine.Like i said ,he would not shut up.I was moved to another part of the program immediately after breafast.I never thought much of it until a few years later i came across something online about Pillip Taylor Kramer.The picture blew me away.It was him.Now , after reading all that I could get ahold of about the subject .What i really want to know is what has Randy Jackson said about any of this and what is the missing link between Phillip and O.J...His last phone call said "O.J. did not kill his wife ,THEY did".Has anyone tried to find out who THEY are.Is this a dead case?Are they still investigating.This is the second time I've written you about this subject.Does anybody take this stuff seriously.Beacause I dont really care about none of it ,but, I heard what I heard and I saw what I saw.Please let me know something. Thanks.
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I met a man in Lakeside alternitives who fit the description of Phillip Taylor Kramer at the end of 96 or 97.He talked about many things that were barely audible.I met him the night i got there.I asked him why he was there and he simply said "I don't know".The next morning at breakfast he would not leave my side.He kept speaking about all kinds of stuff technalogical that I didn't underrstand.The one thing I did understand is that he said he had actually been on I believe he said the Rapalo.I might be mistaken , but the thing I heard clearly was guidance systems and lost submarine.Like i said ,he would not shut up.I was moved to another part of the program immediately after breafast.I never thought much of it until a few years later i came across something online about Pillip Taylor Kramer.The picture blew me away.It was him.Now , after reading all that I could get ahold of about the subject .What i really want to know is what has Randy Jackson said about any of this and what is the missing link between Phillip and O.J...His last phone call said "O.J. did not kill his wife ,THEY did".Has anyone tried to find out who THEY are.Is this a dead case?Are they still investigating.This is the second time I've written you about this subject.Does anybody take this stuff seriously.Beacause I dont really care about none of it ,but, I heard what I heard and I saw what I saw.Please let me know something. Thanks.
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I met a man in Lakeside alternitives who fit the description of Phillip Taylor Kramer at the end of 96 or 97.He talked about many things that were barely audible.I met him the night i got there.I asked him why he was there and he simply said "I don't know".The next morning at breakfast he would not leave my side.He kept speaking about all kinds of stuff technalogical that I didn't underrstand.The one thing I did understand is that he said he had actually been on I believe he said the Rapalo.I might be mistaken , but the thing I heard clearly was guidance systems and lost submarine.Like i said ,he would not shut up.I was moved to another part of the program immediately after breafast.I never thought much of it until a few years later i came across something online about Pillip Taylor Kramer.The picture blew me away.It was him.Now , after reading all that I could get ahold of about the subject .What i really want to know is what has Randy Jackson said about any of this and what is the missing link between Phillip and O.J...His last phone call said "O.J. did not kill his wife ,THEY did".Has anyone tried to find out who THEY are.Is this a dead case?Are they still investigating.This is the second time I've written you about this subject.Does anybody take this stuff seriously.Beacause I dont really care about none of it ,but, I heard what I heard and I saw what I saw.Please let me know something. Thanks.
Why was this pulled? I will be back. I have witnesses to this letter.
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What is Lakeside Alternatives?
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Witness Protection Program?

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Something tells me the whole "search" was a big fraud from the start.

It's painful to listen to.
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sounds like the guy lost his mind at some point.
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So ... His ideas were valuable beyond measure. I wish I had known him. Clearly, he was such an awesome guy. So many loved him. Probably still do to this day. It's really a shame no one has solved his case. Everything "seems" to point to suicide. But my gut (intuitive) says no. Such a great guy. Why can't we solve his case? He deserves so much more than mere speculation.
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The truth about what really happened was posted here last month, but it was promptly deleted!

The real killers are already known, it just a matter of proving it!
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Hmmm, I wonder why it was deleted. I am very interested in this story; I have been for years. Any new info on this topic? From anyone? *recorded*
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sounds like the guy lost his mind at some point.
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Sounds like a mathematian I know. He is also a musician like myself. Hmmm..........does music and math have play a large part in physics?
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sounds like the guy lost his mind at some point.
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Sounds like a mathematian I know. He is also a musician like myself. Hmmm..........does music and math have play a large part in physics?
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Just now listening to an old "replay" of an Art Bell show (Somewhere in Time) from March 6, 1997, about the Phillip Taylor Cramer disappearance. Incidently, Taylor's body & van had already been found.
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My rational mind wants to deduce that PTK was murdered (without a doubt). But not how you think. If he is still hanging on to the earth plane (yes he is), I sense he is not as fearful as he initially was was he left his body. But at first I encountered his spirit as being very fearful, distrusting and paranoid when he left the earth plane. Why would anyone want to harm such a good guy? Well, maybe the spirit that i encountered was him, but not entirely what i thought. Imagine if you're a psychic and you pick up on someone, do you have the discernment to know if who you are picking up on is really alive or dead? I suspect (or feel) he is not alive. But I can't be certain, because I am not perfect. But why would anyone kill such a good guy like PTK? Yea. Well, it's not as simple as you think. PTK was in knee deep from the moment he stepped off the planet. From his father's influence (probable connections) to his own with Northrup. And then there's the TMMI CEO/Shaman (those 2 were blatant). When I think of those 2, i feel them as mind-controlling. And i've this. It is so powerful, you wouldn't believe. Remember the movie Hannibal? Don't you think there are people who can mind-control you off the planet? You betcha there are. There truly evil. And brilliant at covering their tracks. And whatever group or individuals took him down (who are still alive and walking the face of this planet today) don't think that PTK was (or will be) the only one. Look up scientists murdered. Get too close to the answer, you might need to start looking over your own shoulder.
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I used to have a little blog site. And i would write little stories. But my central focus was always on PTK but not overtly. Newly psychic, I could just sense him completely. My stories about him were more like artwork with different things, weaved in here and there with different little dialogues and theories. One day i wrote a story about PTK (something truly powerful and explicit)conspiratorial-like. The very day I posted my little story, my computer started to receive many pop-ups and weird kind of spam emails. TRUE STORY-I KID YOU NOT!!!Within 24 hours my then-lap top was completely shut down. Now let me ask you folks this one thing. If PTK's death was a mere suicide without implication of something sinister, why would anyone care about some girl writing her thoughts about a presumed dead man. I mean, what would be the point??? But someone in the background who watched me and my little blog (in silence and in a hidden place), cared very much what i had to say. Obviously, someone did not appreciate what i had to say. So ... of course I bought a new laptop and continued my writings. And kept writing. Eventually that laptop got shut down as well. Eventually, I shut my little blog down. Something felt so off and I thought it was in my best interest to just let my site disappear, (just like Taylor). Just call it my gut-instict to protect myself against whatever individuals didn't like my writings and/or my personal interest in PTK's story. No doubt, those same individual probably secretly run this little site (I wouldn't rule it out). Talk about paranoia!!! I totally relate to how paranoid PTK was. He had enough frenemies. A few working right side-by-side with him. Those he could pretend to get along with. But, with friends like that, who needs enemies, right?
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interesting Nigel Farage an Ind MP in the UK recently just barely survived a small plane crash-he raises a great fuss about the EU bailouts
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This site is merely a way to make innocent people sitting ducks. If I tell you exactly what I think, I will be subject to who knows what. It's not paranoia that shut down 2 of my computers. That's mild compared to being in a plane crash and finding your car at the end of Decker Canyon. Look up "murdered scientist". Then tell me what you think. Can we prove it? Maybe not in this lifetime. No ... We'll have to wait. Until the stories become more like legend or some kind of false story. Sit on podium and spout off truths ... where does it get you? Dead? Perhaps. Advocate for someone? Think twice. Be careful what you shout from the rooftops. Freedom of speech is really just a false notion. And when you're in the defense industry and have access to classified information and work side-by-side with monsters and are born into a family with a father with questionable connections, what do you expect. Top that off, dabble in the occult and live in a state that is saturated with the occult, what do you expect??? But if you value life, don't shout it from the rooftops what you know or even what you think. I once wrote that PTK was as fragile as any other given his circumstance. We are all fragile. Just stating our opinions makes us subject to harm. This is what this site accomplishes. Stating the facts or even my theories doesn't negate retribution.
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Here is a thought:

If you were working on innovative technology that could potentially track missing children, who would bothered by such technology??? Wasn't this the kind of technology that PTK was working on?

I found this article dated August 2011.

"A United Nations-affiliated group has issued a statement endorsing child sexual activity, the legalization of deviant behavior, illegal drugs and abortion."

Is it possible that powerful ruling elites (among others) practice and/or profit from the above-mentioned activities involving exploiting children. Who would be bothered by PTK's technology? Who would be exposed?

July 12th is Taylor's birthday.

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Perhaps PTK didn't even have his "missing children" technology fully developed. But if he spoke of it to anyone within TMMI or elsewhere, speaking of such technology might've been the impetus to writing his own death sentence. Given his abilities, he was fully feeling the threats coming his way. It would've been enough to make any person totally disappear. Not just to save himself, but to save his family. But I can't rule out that certain influences that he worked side-by-side with as being the individuals who mind-controlled him to his own death. I know this sounds incredibly bizarre. Well the saying goes, 'life is stranger than fiction'. And no one would waste their time making up ideas such as these if it were not true. I wish it weren't ...

"'Conspiracy of Silence' is a powerful, disturbing documentary revealing a nationwide child abuse and pedophilia ring ..."

This doesn't even address other occult groups that have known links with pedophilia, ritual abuse and murder (not necessarily Satanic ones, just evil, sick individuals). Many prominent and wealthy. From all walks of life, on all levels. And I suspect that "they" are still doing it. Maybe this is the "they" the PTK was referring to.

Watching the video "Conspiracy of Silence" is very painful. You can find it on YouTube.
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I don't know about the 'Idea' but they had the best drum solo EVER imho . . .

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Govt agents confiscated Tesla's and Hutchinson's work, and remember John Wheeler? I find it interesting if Kramer's work was in NASA"s computer, that China has reportedly hacked the full length and breath of NASA's systems. Maybe all teh weirdness of teh last year is someone applying all this technology trying to transport matter? Yes, particle data is faster than light, CERN wasn't neccesary to prove it, becaise of teh electromagnetic universe, I think Tesla fully udnerstood this, and probably the "Hutchinson Effect" works along the same lines? Some things mankind isn't meant to screw with because inevitably it ends up like Fukushiuma.
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Here is something interesting:

"The death in 1953 of a government scientist, Frank Olson, in a fall from a New York hotel window, is one of the most notorious cases in CIA history. Only in 1975 did Olson's family learn that the CIA had slipped LSD into his drink, days before his death. President Ford apologized for an experiment gone awry, and promised that the government would reveal everything about the case."

Maybe PTK left the defense industry job for a deeper reason than merely losing interest.
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i know that he was beautiful ...

happy birthday beautiful Taylor ...

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Has anyone followed-up on the reported Lakeside Behavioral siting ?
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I'd read about PTK a few years ago and was intrigued but just recently the story popped back into my head. Odd that I find people posting about it just when I started to think about him again. One of those "coincidences" he was so focused on? Hmmm


I found a screenplay online that someone wrote about him - wonder if it will be made into a movie someday! Sure would be interesting. They say he would often predict the future - maybe he was FROM the future???
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bottom line men in blacxk killed him because he back iginired som e alien technolgy before our govermnt did the got the imformation from him then killed him because he wasnt going to give up all the hard work his father discovered or what he discovered he figured out how to travel at the speed of light there for he could control the future therefore he could contrl the destiny of the world... believe it or not by the whey this is sombody elses computor they might come after me for discovering the truth. one day i wiil figure out the s[speed of light
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The Celestine Prophecy crazies from MCI who took control of Total Multimedia Inc. around 1994 killed Taylor Kramer in 1995 so they could steal his fractal video compression technology. They also killed the company's secretary two days later.
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Barrie Trower in a video i found on youtube discusses some very pertinent clues to what [really] happened to PTK. Iron-ic-Butterfly. a play on words. dead men tell-tales. but if you have time to listen, it will be so very enlightening. "they" are government scientists. "they" targeted him. and Trower gives us a clue exactly how it was done. and he is not the only one. other research scientists ended up "suicides". look at your cell phones. "they" are tracking you. and "they can target you too. no one is except. of course MCI execs conveniently disappeared. a righteous man and trusted friend would stay. but "they" are probably running this site. and "they" track your computer and everything you do.

Kramer was a think-tank loose end who opposed "them" the day he left his job with the defense industry. and i thought i read somewhere that military contracts existed within TMMI. Could be wrong. But TMMI and Kramer were knee deep. But so are all of us and truth be told, none of us are exempt from the same therapy. Kramer knew too much and when he opposed them, "they" targeted him until they killed him. Put your fucking cells in a metal container at least.

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intriguing

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