Worship of Saturn, 2012 Lucifer Project & Babylon Mystery Religions

EL is an abreviation of ELohim in Hebrew language different from Enlil and Enki in Sumerian language. As a matter of fact they sent Galileo carrying plutonium to Jupiter as "predicted" by Carl Sagan in his 2010 Space Odyssey which was transformed into a film. For all accounts Jupiter is more a smaller sun than a planet (or could be transformed into a sun adding mass creating an implosion as we saw in that film..although in that case was due to the multiplication of the monoliths as if they were virus).
Even "elohim" is a translation adapted to modern Hebrew language mingled Askenazi and Sephardite accents. In the past that "elohim" was more like Arabic "allah" (meaning the same title "god" rather than a name).
Yet I do agree Saturn hides many mysteries even in myths.

Babel is another interpretation of BabILU (sounds "ba-bee-loo") meaning doors of the gods rather than stargate. The Hebrew adaptation was "confusion".

Sorry, I said Carl Sagan, I didn't want to mention that ambiguous man. My mistake. I wanted to say Arthur Clark, of course.

Great Post OP - my pet subject - Saturn=Satan....

This is a clip from a loooong article well worth your time:
[link to www.aeonjournal.com]

The Road to Saturn
(Excerpts from an Autobiographical Essay)

Dwardu Cardona

I have read less than a handful of books that can be said to have influenced my way of thinking. Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision has not only been one of them, in the end it totally changed my life.

In this work Velikovsky proposed that, in the distant past, but still within man's memory, the planet Jupiter ejected from itself a smaller but sizeable body that careened across the solar system in the form of a giant comet. Coming into close contact with Earth, but avoiding an actual collision, this cometary body caused a series of catastrophic events which mankind remembered and passed on to his descendants in an oral and written tradition that eventually evolved into the well-known mythologies of the various nations. Thus the gods and goddesses of antiquity seem to have really been the deified planets of the solar system. Their divine actions were merely reflections of errant orbits in a cosmic drama which man witnessed and immortalized in his religious rites, his liturgies and, finally, his sacred texts.

Worlds in Collision was first published in 1950. At that time, having been raised in one of Roman Catholicism's most impregnable strongholds, I was still being taught that the world had been created in six consecutive days. During our science courses at Stella Maris College, Gzira, on the island of Malta, we were informed that the Earth came into existence long after the Sun. But in the course of our religious upbringing during the same semester at the same college, we were also expected to believe that the Earth was created shortly before the Sun. Upon questioning this inconsistency, we were told that in matters of science we were to follow the teaching of the scientists, but that in religion, honoring the words of Genesis, we were to accept the precepts of God.

II

It was on an evening in 1955, while I was browsing through a store in Valletta, that a book title caught my eye. It was Velikovsky's Ages in Chaos. I picked it up, leafed through it, and read a few pages. I did not buy the book. I merely placed it back on the shelf. I never even noticed the author's name.

Here, I thought to myself, was another foolish attempt by some pseudo-scholar who was out to prove, in some pseudo-scientific way, that the miracles of the Old Testament, especially those of Exodus, were really misunderstood natural phenomena.

By this time the radio noises from Jupiter, as predicted by Velikovsky, had already been detected. Textbooks on astronomy, however, were still preaching a universe void of any forces other than gravitation. Entire galaxies, it had already been discovered, were even then colliding with one another. But mere planets, it was still being argued, could not so collide.

I was at that time working on high tension voltage during my stint at the Mains Section while in training at her Majesty's Dockyard. My instructor was George Wickman. He was partly deaf but his wit and wisdom had turned him into something of a legend throughout the entire section of the E.E.M. His appetite for knowledge was voracious; his reading voluminous. He not only possessed a unique philosophical mind, he had an encyclopedic memory to boot. I took so much to him that, more than being his apprentice, I considered myself his protege. I told him about Ages in Chaos -- or what I had thought Ages in Chaos was all about. As best I can remember, this is what he said to me:

"No amount of human reasoning can ever hope to make sense of God's madness. Murder in God's name, as described in the Bible, is a contradiction in moral precepts; hail stones that burst into flames, as described in Exodus, is a contradiction in scientific terms. The man who will make logical sense of God's miracles will never be born."

Recently www.thunderbolts.info site has been changed/updated but there was a great thread on the old site about Saturn. I've recently bought the book God Star by Dwardu Cardona which compares Saturn in cosmology with Saturn in mythology and hence as a a 'god' in mythology.

Some more useful links:

Ev Cochrane's Home Page
Publisher of Aeon, Author, researcher

Kronia
Supports innovative research in the emerging field of planetary catastrophics. Our approach is interdisciplinary, combining historical investigation with a steadfast commitment to the scientific method.

Society for Interdisciplinary Studies
The oldest organisation investigating the field of catastrophism and revised ancient history.

The Velikovsky Archive
The largest archive of Immanuel Velikovsky's unpublished writings

I'm not sure the links above will work - they can be accessed at: [link to www.aeonjournal.com]

Thanks again - there's much more to Saturn than 'they' would have us believe....

Interesting, but there are a few more plausible theories on GLP.

AC 335844 - you forgot to post your BS flag....

Do wake up....take this as a cordial invitation!

Enufs Enuf sorry I didnt reply sooner I had to go out and get drunk ;)

Jupiter and Saturn, once constituted a double star system (which is proven very simply by the fact the two planets give off far more energy than they receive from the Sun). The interaction of the two stars led to a stellar explosion, or nova.

If you look at any constellation you'll find a one star system (our present solar system) to be an extreme rarity.

Saturn used to be alot bigger than Jupiter is now but during a close approach to Jupiter, Saturn became unstable and after, flaring as a nova it finally exploded.

The Greek myth of Kronos (Saturn) swallowing his 5 children (these were the 5 planets swallowed up as Saturn flared) comes from this cosmology.
So Jupiter is Zeus, the son who attacked his father Kronos/Saturn - forcing him to cough up his children. This is why Jupiter is said to have had an all powerful thunderbolt - this is what would have been seen in the sky as the two stars collided.

Todays literature is still littered with refernces to this hero versus the evil father figure.
This is the effect planets have on our subconscious (Just think of the moons impact on Earth, you lunatics).

Anyhay...

The explosion of extraneous material from Saturn resulted in the "Rings" that are so prominent today (the "Ring" in marriage is a Saturnalian rite, the "Halo Rings" of saints depicting the highest virtue, the Lord of the Rings symbolising the "Rings" of power etc etc).

In this War of the "GODS" Saturn ejected 60+ satellites, and most devastating of all- the planet Venus.


Mars was inhabited at the time by extremely advanced humans and they set up a colony on Earth to increase their chances of survival as the Solar System went through this chaos.

Ares is the Greek/Roman name for the planet Mars which is where we get the word Aryan. The Aryans arrived on Earth and were known as the GIANTS or TITANS. The Gravity on Mars is less than Earth thats why these humans were generally over 12 to 14 feet tall.

Mars was wrongly depicted as the God of War. It was anything but. Venus hurtled through space and ripped the atmosphere from Mars & the canyon called Valles Marineris was a result of this spectacular collision. The scar is so big that the Grand Canyon of Arizona would be lost in one small section of it.

Venus and Mars both came very close to Earth and this is what created the floods on Earth. There were many floods, but there was one colossal flood around 7600 BC as Earth was hit with hundreds of Asteroids from a Venus/Mars collision.

So when you read the Bible that GOD SENT A FLOOD TO EARTH - this is the GOD SATURN sending VENUS through the solar system. The God of the Bible refers to SATURN (EL).

This is the ANGRY GOD that wants sacrifices and rules by FEAR.

The proof of Venus being a brand new planet is easily shown by the fact that it is a boiling inferno that spins extremely slowly (A Venus day is equal to 243 Earth days) and again gives off far more energy than it receives from the SUN.


So how do this all tie in with the Illuminati and Lucifer?

Well both Venus & Saturn are referred to as Lucifer. From there I shall reveal no more as this will get me into trouble.

Simply because I dont have any more time to write I have to get up and get ready for another day of drinkin - its Ireland v England in the Rugby today....CUMMON IRELAND!!!!!!

BS. Read the sumerian clay tablets.

Are you referring to Sitchin you fuckwit? He works for the Vatican u numbnut cunt

Tman.. didn't know that was you lol..

lol @ having to leave to get drunk.. pour me one...

So.. what's all this about?

Saturn exploded? etc etc.. I've never heard tales of this?

Where do you get this idea from?

p.s. I'm buzzed, go slow.. LMAO...

Hey whats up ;)

By the way to the previous AC sorry Im just hungover :(

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Anyway Saturn Worship is all around us...for example the Romans "Feast of Saturnalia," in honor of their god Saturn was celebrated from the 17th to the 24th of December, usually exchanging "gifts" on the last two days from house to house. Then on the 25th of December, they began the new Celebration of "The birth of the unconquerable Sun," as the days of light would now begin to lengthen and the sun would now begin to regain its dominance.

This is the whole basis of the illuminati, if you look into it you'll find all the answers...

Anyone who bangs on about Planet X or Sitchin etc needs to check up his vatican connections or simply look at Michael Heisers work...Sitchin DOES NOT speak Sumerian...

Well every single bit of that is new to me. lol

I've meandered through tons of Illuminati stuff..

I'm spiritual, but not religious.. Sucks to be analytical..


Planet X.. is one of those things, I'll believe it when I see it..

got any documentaries to post on this subject?

So you think planet X is coming?

signed,

buzzed redhead

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i'm pretty sure the Lucifer Project will be this year.. Actually, i'm damn sure it is.. So what gives? Where did you pull 2012 out of?

In the sci.lang Newsgroup a prominent catastrophist recently suggested that Saturn is responsible for the word for "night" in several languages. 23 Here's part of that posting:


In Hebrew, the word for "night" is "lail," which word seems to be composed of the words "la El," or "lo El," which translate as "no El." So also in Arabic, in which language the word for "night" is "leyla," composed of "le Eyl," that is "no El." In Maltese, "night" is "lejl," in which the "j" is pronounced "y," and which also translates as "le El," that is "no El." Given that El is one of the most ancient Near Eastern names for Saturn, the term in question can also be translated as "no Saturn."
But, in European languages, the word for "night" seems to translate as "no eight." This can be seen in the following languages:

English: no eight = night.
French: non huit = nuit.
German: nein acht = nacht.
Italian: non otto = notte
Spanish: non oche = noche.
Saturn was frequently depicted in rock art as an eight-pointed star

[link to www.12x30.net]

Exactly....I agree. Maybe in june or July.

KRONOS / SATURN IS NOT THE ORIGIN OF THE EL.
THE EL FOUGHT SATURN AND HIS MINIONS

READ HELLENIC MYTHOLOGY FOR DETAILS

No No... there is a lot wrong OP

read here : [link to www.zeitlin.net]

"Lucifer" means the light bearer
he brings us the Light, the knowledge, the understanding.
Satam = Satan is devilish, but not Lucifer.
it's the Catholic religion who mad him a demon, but in the beginning he was not that. Understand the religion don't want you to break free, so they disguise those who may help you out into demons so you won't follow them.

not Mars has ben destroyed but the planet after Mars called Mulge.*

read the link I gave you, there are a lot of informations.

In all due respect....I don't have time to be reading Hellenic mythology. Hell....I have enough trouble keeping up with the news...GLP....emails...bills...and junk mail.

In Spanish I thourght no eight was "no ocho" and not "non oche"
Anyways this is a great thread, have learned a lot, thanks to all that have posted. I have an interest in the EL thing thats what brought me here after I saw a few Jordan Maxwell lectures.

Quite an interesting thread.

Ok Cern is being activated in July - so maybe the Lucifer project is happening in July and not 2012- Cern is the modern day Bab El - The last time they built a stargate (Tower of Babel) their language was confused, this obvioulsy refers to the programming language the elites were using at the time (theyve always hidden technology from the masses)....So the Hexagon and Saturn, and Cern going live ....anyone know any more on this??

look we all the stuff your saying are true, but to no those things one just be getting secret news from those that work for lucifer- and by the way no need to hide the true identity of lucifer. [dose anyone want to know??

A Trip into the Supernatural....

In this 8 part (8 I think - I forgot) series, Roger Morneau talks about his involvement with satanic/spirit worship aka 'gods' worship.....If you're interested in Saturn/satan and working it all out, this series is a must:

[link to uk.youtube.com]

I've done considerable research into demonic entities/satan/fallen angels/luciferian witchcraft and this i/v confirms it all and more. However, there's one very important point that I find difficult to accept which is made about 3/4 of the way through the series....see what you think and if you can see what that point is.

Another series of 33 + intro is this one - it's made my Muslims but TRUE Muslims who just want to live in peace with everyone, not those 'used' to manipulate our view of reality a la 911....:

The Arrivals intro

[link to uk.youtube.com]

Before the fall = Lucifer
After the fall = satan - right??

A note about the associated planets.

Satan is associated with Saturn
This is the lower octave, representing the dark side, the yin.

Lucifer is associated with Uranus.
This is the higher octave, representing the light, the yang.

Many groups throughout history have worshiped Saturn and view this worship as necessary to becoming enlightened. The most glorious worship was with the Nazis, a subgroup of which belonged to a magical order known as The Brotherhood of Saturn.

For a detailed reading of their beliefs and their magical practices (where do you think we get sex, drugs, rock & roll from?) read:

Fire & Ice, by Stephen E. Flowers, Ph.D.

You can download a pdf file of this book from this website:

[link to www.conspiracyresearch.org]


Happy reading.

I was under the impression that Lucifer was associated with Venus, am I missing something?

Lucifer, Helel, the light bearer.
He is like Prometheus in greek mythology.

How can someone who brings the light, be considered as "dark"?

[link to www.rinf.com]

'Lucifer Project'

This is a documentation and study of the feasibility of creating a sustainable fusion reaction from an initial fission reaction on Saturn caused by a significant quantity of Plutonium-238 being inserted deep into the atmosphere.

A fusion-ignited Saturn-sun would be the key to creating a human-habitable area on Titan. This report is the result of my intensive research on this subject since late 2002.

I could not be so confident in my assertions if it were not for the additional key research of Jacco van der Worp, a Netherlands physicist, and former NASA Consultant, Richard C. Hoagland.

I am sure I will be accused of being an alarmist, but I believe the information presented here will convince any open mind that there is at least some suspicious activity regarding NASA's Galileo and Cassini missions.

...read more then the last link about PL -- they've already CRASHED THE SPACE-PROBE Galileo into Jupiter and admitted this, years ago while bragging about the 'red spot' science created from... playing with fire in my opinion, Cassini to crash into Saturn in next few years

Hey op cool thread, so what do you rekkon on these Annunaki punks or ELohim or the nephELim pussies, do think they exist and if they do will they ever grow some ball sacks and come down here and take their chances against as savages?