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What happened to McDonalds french fries?

25 or 30 years ago, McDonalds fries were the best.

At some point over the last 25 years or so, they changed their fries.

Why did they have to screw up a good product?
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Don't eat at McDonald's. Problem solved.
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Ok, this posted before I was done.

As a teen, we would go into McDonalds, and get some burgers.

We would then ritually take the pickles off of the burgers, and throw them against the windows. They would always stick to the window.

This was entertainment for us in the 70's.

The ketchup packets, well, we would take them back to school and place them under the chairs.

Whenever a student sat down in the chair, the ketchup would shoot across the floor.

Good times.
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Don't eat at McDonald's. Problem solved.
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Nothing is solved.

I wanted to know why they changed the fries, and what they did to them.
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Hey OP, as I recall, vegetarians complained about Mickey D's cooking their fries in the oil they'd cooked their burgers in, so Ronnie Mac switched to vegetable oil. You're right though, they're nowhere near as good now.

You can google that and get all kinds of info, mostly complaints.
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Re: What happened to McDonald's French fries?
They tasted better because they weer deep fried in beef talo (lard)
Now the use a combination of "healthier oils"

and some extra "flavoring" I believe
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390389 is right!
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order your burger w/o the special sauce
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McDonalds used to fry their fries in beef fat. That used to be an industry secret until a lawsuit that was filed in India that disclosed they were using the fat of their sacred animals (McD's wouldn't serve beef patties because of their culture, but forgot about the fries).

After the lawsuit, health critics forced McD's to stop using beef fat to fry the fries in. Now they taste like crap like every other fast food restaurant.
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They were coated in sugar so were the buns......
It doesn't matter who I m it's who U R so ChoOse
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Hey OP, as I recall, vegetarians complained about Mickey D's cooking their fries in the oil they'd cooked their burgers in, so Ronnie Mac switched to vegetable oil. You're right though, they're nowhere near as good now.

You can google that and get all kinds of info, mostly complaints.
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Thanks for the info.

Those fries were good back in the day.
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They were coated in sugar so were the buns......
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I doubt that. The buns never tasted sugary. Nor did the fries.
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Re: What happened to McDonald's French fries?
i think they taste awesome still.

But I've never had the old version which is probably better.
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i think they taste awesome still.

But I've never had the old version which is probably better.
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I dont know how old you are, but you have no idea how much better they were.
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They were coated in sugar so were the buns......


I doubt that. The buns never tasted sugary. Nor did the fries.
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Yea, it's true....the fries have very small amount of sugar to make them turn the desired golden color...not enough to really taste tho..
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Makes you wonder why the fuck are vegetarians eating at McDonalds anyway?

Reason #3645544 to hate vegetarians.
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McDonald's 4 Year Old Cheeseburger Video

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"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight where everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness."
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And miles to go before I sleep"
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It all went wrong, when Americans named them 'freedom' fries, after they threw a tantrum for lack of French support for an illegal war.
lol
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392485 is right.
Mickey D's hamburger buns have more sugar than regular grocery store buns so they brown quicker. Those still taste the same but they've ruined the fries.

Hardee's(Carl's Jr. on the West Coast) and Arby's have better fries than Ronnie Mac nowadays....
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Ronald McDonald is messing with his famous fries again, this time in the name of better health.

The fast food giant that once fried its potatoes in beef tallow will start cooking french fries, chicken nuggets and fish fillets in a new kind of soy- corn oil with less trans fat and more polyunsaturated fat, the world's biggest food-service company announced Tuesday.

The new oil produces less of the type of cholesterol that can lead to strokes and heart attacks, and it also reduces the levels of dangerous trans fat by half.

McDonald's workers will start pouring the new oil into deep fryers next month, and by February 2003, it will be used at all of the 13,000 restaurants in the United States. Eventually, the rest of the 17,000 McDonald's in the world will have it.

Executives of McDonald's, which serves 46 million customers each day in 121 countries, said the move is simply a way to give consumers a wider range of healthier choices. The company worked with Cargill, its longtime oil supplier, to formulate the new trans fat-reduced vegetable oil.

Because Americans eat almost 60 pounds of frozen potatoes a year per person -- almost all of them fries -- and because McDonald's is America's top fry seller, the oil change is big news. But nutritionists and fans of the fry took it with, well, a grain of salt.

A MATTER OF TASTE

For people eating fries Tuesday at a San Francisco McDonald's, flavor mattered more than health.

"I'm not eating them because they're supposed to be good for me," said Virgie Atkins, a pregnant Oakland resident who said McDonald's fries are one of her most persistent prenatal cravings. "They say it will taste the same, but if it has a different taste, you know the company will hear about it."

McDonald's corporate officials, who in no way want the new fries to flop like New Coke did in 1985, say that 97 out of 100 people who tried the new fries and the traditional fries couldn't detect a difference.

For some of the nation's top dietary experts, the issue isn't taste but fat calories. They applaud the move, but say consumers shouldn't be fooled into thinking that eating fries is healthy. The new oil will change the proportion of fats, reducing trans fat by 48 percent and saturated fat by 16 percent, and almost doubling the more beneficial polyunsaturated fat. The actual amount of calories won't change, however.

And the move doesn't eliminate trans fat altogether, which is what leading government nutrition experts and medical researchers now recommend.

"This is a no-brainer. We've known for years that trans fats are bad," said Marion Nestle, head of New York University's nutrition department and author of "Food Politics: How the Food Industry Influences Nutrition and Health."

"McDonald's gets lots of credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, but supersize french fries will still have 610 calories, which is about a third of the calories an average woman needs in a day and about a quarter of what an average man needs," Nestle said. "And if you add in a cheeseburger and a shake, that takes care of (caloric needs for) the day. It's calories that count more than anything."

Trans fat is created when ordinary vegetable oil is processed into partially hydrogenated oil. The process keeps oil from turning rancid and it allows it to stay solid at room temperature, which makes it easy for fast-food workers to handle and store. It became prevalent in McDonald's fries in 1990, when the company switched from beef tallow to vegetable oil in an attempt to lower the amount of saturated fat in its food.

That was before trans fat was proved to be such a villain. Some of the nation's leading medical researchers, including many in the Bay Area, believe that the trans fat that marbles the modern American diet might be why kids are so fat, diabetes is at record levels, and some people develop cancer. They say trans fat is a big player in Syndrome X, a cluster of health problems characterized by a beer belly, high blood pressure and out-of-whack blood fats and sugars.

HIGHER LEVELS OF BAD CHOLESTEROL

The FDA estimates that Americans eat, on average, five grams of trans fat a day, compared with as much as 25 grams of saturated fat. Although that amount seems minuscule by comparison, several research studies have suggested that amount is already much more than the body can bear because it increases levels of harmful, or LDL, cholesterol and can clog the body's workings much like sand can mess with the mechanism of a clock.

The National Academy of Sciences issued a report in July that said absolutely no level of trans fat was safe. That study prompted the Food and Drug Administration to require food manufacturers to list trans fat amounts on food labels by next year.

Some health activists believe McDonald's made the move in the face of growing pressure to eliminate all trans fat. Others believe it is related to the nation's obesity epidemic and the movement to villainize the fast-food industry.

The announcement comes a month after a New York man sued McDonald's and three other fast-food chains, saying their food made him obese. Caesar Barber, 56, weighs 272 pounds, had heart attacks in 1996 and 1999, and has diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. He said he ate fast food for decades,

believing it was good for him until his doctor cautioned him otherwise.

Whatever the reason, the bottom line will be whether consumers believe that McDonald's fries are now healthier than they used to be.

Tony Dore of San Francisco, eating a breakfast burrito and a fried hash brown patty early Tuesday, said he didn't think the improved oil would make much difference.

"People aren't really conscious of what they eat when they come here," he said. But he conceded that the new oil might lull people into thinking fried fast food is healthy.

"It's like light cigarettes," Dore said. "People smoke more because they're light, even though they're still bad for you."
BRIEF HISTORY OF THE ALMIGHTY GOLDEN ARCHES FRENCH FRY

More than the shakes or the cheeseburger, Ray Kroc loved his french fries.

"The french fry," the McDonald's founder wrote in his autobiography, "would become almost sacrosanct for me, its preparation a ritual to be followed religiously."

In the 1950s, when Kroc began his hamburger kingdom, that meant cutting fresh fries from Russet Burbank potatoes every day and frying them at just the right temperature and in just the right blend of about 7 percent cottonseed oil and 93 percent beef tallow.

As the chain grew in the 1960s, Kroc turned to frozen shoestring fries, which saved labor costs, added to the profit margin and ensured that his fries tasted the same at every restaurant. As a result, McDonald's french fries have always been a favorite. Food icons James Beard and Julia Child both praised them.

But Kroc's way with fries affected more than just palates. In his book "Fast Food Nation," Eric Schlosser points out that Kroc had a profound effect on the nation's agriculture and the American diet, transforming french-fried potatoes into one of the first highly processed industrial commodities and the most popular fast-food menu item in America.

Today, McDonald's is the largest buyer of potatoes in the United States.

In 1990, McDonald's switched to vegetable oil as a way to improve the cholesterol-producing profile of its fries. To keep the taste consistent, they added beef flavoring but said the fries were vegetarian. That backfired. Vegetarian groups sued the company last year, and in May McDonald's apologized and paid $10 million to various vegetarian and nutrition organizations as well as Hindu and Sikh groups in addition to millions in legal fees.

The Oak Brook, Ill., company said it was not required by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to reveal the use of beef flavoring and that it didn't use the substance in fries sold at restaurants in India or predominantly Hindu countries, where the cow is sacred.
FRY TRANSITION

A redesigned cooking oil will help to reduce the number of harmful saturated fat and trans fatty acids in a small order of McDonald's fries.

Fat breakdown Old New

Calories 210.0 210.0

Calories from fat 90.0 90.0

Saturated 20.7 17.0

Transsaturated 30.0 16.0

Polyunsaturated 10.8 29.0

Monounsaturated 29.0 29.0

Caloric values are rounded.

Source: McDonald's

Associated Press Graphic

EC:

Chronicle staff writer Ray Delgado and Chronicle news services contributed to this report. / E-mail Kim Severson at kseverson@sfchronicle.com.
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392485 is right.
Mickey D's hamburger buns have more sugar than regular grocery store buns so they brown quicker. Those still taste the same but they've ruined the fries.

Hardee's(Carl's Jr. on the West Coast) and Arby's have better fries than Ronnie Mac nowadays....
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jack-in-the-box
curly fries!!!
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How retarded is it that this is pinned?

Unbelievable. Must be a fucking weekend.
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Ronald McDonald is messing with his famous fries again, this time in the name of better health.

The fast food giant that once fried its potatoes in beef tallow will start cooking french fries, chicken nuggets and fish fillets in a new kind of soy- corn oil with less trans fat and more polyunsaturated fat, the world's biggest food-service company announced Tuesday.

The new oil produces less of the type of cholesterol that can lead to strokes and heart attacks, and it also reduces the levels of dangerous trans fat by half.

McDonald's workers will start pouring the new oil into deep fryers next month, and by February 2003, it will be used at all of the 13,000 restaurants in the United States. Eventually, the rest of the 17,000 McDonald's in the world will have it.

Executives of McDonald's, which serves 46 million customers each day in 121 countries, said the move is simply a way to give consumers a wider range of healthier choices. The company worked with Cargill, its longtime oil supplier, to formulate the new trans fat-reduced vegetable oil.

Because Americans eat almost 60 pounds of frozen potatoes a year per person -- almost all of them fries -- and because McDonald's is America's top fry seller, the oil change is big news. But nutritionists and fans of the fry took it with, well, a grain of salt.

A MATTER OF TASTE

For people eating fries Tuesday at a San Francisco McDonald's, flavor mattered more than health.

"I'm not eating them because they're supposed to be good for me," said Virgie Atkins, a pregnant Oakland resident who said McDonald's fries are one of her most persistent prenatal cravings. "They say it will taste the same, but if it has a different taste, you know the company will hear about it."

McDonald's corporate officials, who in no way want the new fries to flop like New Coke did in 1985, say that 97 out of 100 people who tried the new fries and the traditional fries couldn't detect a difference.

For some of the nation's top dietary experts, the issue isn't taste but fat calories. They applaud the move, but say consumers shouldn't be fooled into thinking that eating fries is healthy. The new oil will change the proportion of fats, reducing trans fat by 48 percent and saturated fat by 16 percent, and almost doubling the more beneficial polyunsaturated fat. The actual amount of calories won't change, however.

And the move doesn't eliminate trans fat altogether, which is what leading government nutrition experts and medical researchers now recommend.

"This is a no-brainer. We've known for years that trans fats are bad," said Marion Nestle, head of New York University's nutrition department and author of "Food Politics: How the Food Industry Influences Nutrition and Health."

"McDonald's gets lots of credit for doing what should have been done a long time ago, but supersize french fries will still have 610 calories, which is about a third of the calories an average woman needs in a day and about a quarter of what an average man needs," Nestle said. "And if you add in a cheeseburger and a shake, that takes care of (caloric needs for) the day. It's calories that count more than anything."

Trans fat is created when ordinary vegetable oil is processed into partially hydrogenated oil. The process keeps oil from turning rancid and it allows it to stay solid at room temperature, which makes it easy for fast-food workers to handle and store. It became prevalent in McDonald's fries in 1990, when the company switched from beef tallow to vegetable oil in an attempt to lower the amount of saturated fat in its food.

That was before trans fat was proved to be such a villain. Some of the nation's leading medical researchers, including many in the Bay Area, believe that the trans fat that marbles the modern American diet might be why kids are so fat, diabetes is at record levels, and some people develop cancer. They say trans fat is a big player in Syndrome X, a cluster of health problems characterized by a beer belly, high blood pressure and out-of-whack blood fats and sugars.

HIGHER LEVELS OF BAD CHOLESTEROL

The FDA estimates that Americans eat, on average, five grams of trans fat a day, compared with as much as 25 grams of saturated fat. Although that amount seems minuscule by comparison, several research studies have suggested that amount is already much more than the body can bear because it increases levels of harmful, or LDL, cholesterol and can clog the body's workings much like sand can mess with the mechanism of a clock.

The National Academy of Sciences issued a report in July that said absolutely no level of trans fat was safe. That study prompted the Food and Drug Administration to require food manufacturers to list trans fat amounts on food labels by next year.

Some health activists believe McDonald's made the move in the face of growing pressure to eliminate all trans fat. Others believe it is related to the nation's obesity epidemic and the movement to villainize the fast-food industry.

The announcement comes a month after a New York man sued McDonald's and three other fast-food chains, saying their food made him obese. Caesar Barber, 56, weighs 272 pounds, had heart attacks in 1996 and 1999, and has diabetes, high blood pressure and high cholesterol. He said he ate fast food for decades,

believing it was good for him until his doctor cautioned him otherwise.

Whatever the reason, the bottom line will be whether consumers believe that McDonald's fries are now healthier than they used to be.

Tony Dore of San Francisco, eating a breakfast burrito and a fried hash brown patty early Tuesday, said he didn't think the improved oil would make much difference.

"People aren't really conscious of what they eat when they come here," he said. But he conceded that the new oil might lull people into thinking fried fast food is healthy.

"It's like light cigarettes," Dore said. "People smoke more because they're light, even though they're still bad for you."
BRIEF HISTORY OF THE ALMIGHTY GOLDEN ARCHES FRENCH FRY

More than the shakes or the cheeseburger, Ray Kroc loved his french fries.

"The french fry," the McDonald's founder wrote in his autobiography, "would become almost sacrosanct for me, its preparation a ritual to be followed religiously."

In the 1950s, when Kroc began his hamburger kingdom, that meant cutting fresh fries from Russet Burbank potatoes every day and frying them at just the right temperature and in just the right blend of about 7 percent cottonseed oil and 93 percent beef tallow.

As the chain grew in the 1960s, Kroc turned to frozen shoestring fries, which saved labor costs, added to the profit margin and ensured that his fries tasted the same at every restaurant. As a result, McDonald's french fries have always been a favorite. Food icons James Beard and Julia Child both praised them.

But Kroc's way with fries affected more than just palates. In his book "Fast Food Nation," Eric Schlosser points out that Kroc had a profound effect on the nation's agriculture and the American diet, transforming french-fried potatoes into one of the first highly processed industrial commodities and the most popular fast-food menu item in America.

Today, McDonald's is the largest buyer of potatoes in the United States.

In 1990, McDonald's switched to vegetable oil as a way to improve the cholesterol-producing profile of its fries. To keep the taste consistent, they added beef flavoring but said the fries were vegetarian. That backfired. Vegetarian groups sued the company last year, and in May McDonald's apologized and paid $10 million to various vegetarian and nutrition organizations as well as Hindu and Sikh groups in addition to millions in legal fees.

The Oak Brook, Ill., company said it was not required by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to reveal the use of beef flavoring and that it didn't use the substance in fries sold at restaurants in India or predominantly Hindu countries, where the cow is sacred.
FRY TRANSITION

A redesigned cooking oil will help to reduce the number of harmful saturated fat and trans fatty acids in a small order of McDonald's fries.

Fat breakdown Old New

Calories 210.0 210.0

Calories from fat 90.0 90.0

Saturated 20.7 17.0

Transsaturated 30.0 16.0

Polyunsaturated 10.8 29.0

Monounsaturated 29.0 29.0

Caloric values are rounded.

Source: McDonald's

Associated Press Graphic

EC:

Chronicle staff writer Ray Delgado and Chronicle news services contributed to this report. / E-mail Kim Severson at kseverson@sfchronicle.com.
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that was a good read..thanks.

Explains a lot.
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Wow, a pin, thats a first.

Thanks to all.
Praise Geeeesus!!

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They tasted better because they weer deep fried in beef talo (lard)
Now the use a combination of "healthier oils"

and some extra "flavoring" I believe
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And probably MSG or some other toxic chemical to enhance the taste. Great stuff, huh? Devoid of nutrition, though!
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They tasted better because they weer deep fried in beef talo (lard)
Now the use a combination of "healthier oils"

and some extra "flavoring" I believe
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Beef tallow????????????? Dummy. They were deep fried in good old fashioned lard that comes from pigs not beef.
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We would then ritually take the pickles off of the burgers, and throw them against the windows. They would always stick to the window.

This was entertainment for us in the 70's.

The ketchup packets, well, we would take them back to school and place them under the chairs.

Whenever a student sat down in the chair, the ketchup would shoot across the floor.


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A man after my own heart. We are kindred souls, bro.

Except that I haven't eaten a fast food burger in 30 years.
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Stop fating your ass and whining !!
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McDonald's 4 Year Old Cheeseburger Video

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Excellent video clip. She really hits the nail on the head when she states, "There is no breakdown. It stays in your system way too long."

That is a conspiracy in and of itself.

McDonald's uses preservatives (for lack of a better word) which prevent our bodies from breaking down the food. The result is unnatural weight gain.
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Re: What happened to McDonald's French fries?
They tasted better because they weer deep fried in beef talo (lard)
Now the use a combination of "healthier oils"

and some extra "flavoring" I believe


And probably MSG or some other toxic chemical to enhance the taste. Great stuff, huh? Devoid of nutrition, though!
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Yeah, fries never were big on nutrition.
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Ever since that guy did that movie about McDonalds foods I have RARELY ate there. I only eat MickyD's only if I have to now (football trips etc etc).

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