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Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent.
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watcher
User ID: 377687
3/16/2008 9:08 PM
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"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
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LS 
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3/16/2008 9:09 PM
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there is no way you can prove him wrong, just like he cannot prove everything he believes, so why bother?
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
3/16/2008 9:14 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
Quoting: watcher 377687
So...please show where in any of this he is "exposed as a disinfo agent". It looks to me like you're making things up again. YOU are the disinfo agent. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
3/16/2008 9:16 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
Quoting: watcher 377687
The joke is that it needs no debunking...there isn't a shred of evidence to debunk! I've been asking you for something...anything...to prove it's existance for months now and so far you have come up with exactly ZERO. |
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Tmad1
User ID: 342643
3/16/2008 9:24 PM
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"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
Quoting: watcher 377687
This is real easy. All you have to do is show us one credible Pic of your little cults PX. Or how about just give us the cords to where your PX is suppose to be in the sky. Thats it it would shut all the debunkers up once in for all. The prob is your zeltoids and your PX is all in the little mind of your cult leader NANCY. Till then why dont you just stfu zeltard.
Tell me did you kill your dog too? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 132975
3/16/2008 9:28 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
there is no way you can prove him wrong, just like he cannot prove everything he believes, so why bother?
Horseshit, hes a scatterbrained idiot, promoted specifically because of his inept incompetence.
Ive personally proved him worng every time I had the chance.
Youre a hardline hardheaded shill, arent you? Quoting: IDW 393824
You got it right, IDW.
Plait is a total, lying assmaster-shill.
He should be put in the town stocks and be pelted with rotten vegetables. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
3/16/2008 9:28 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
there is no way you can prove him wrong, just like he cannot prove everything he believes, so why bother?
Horseshit, hes a scatterbrained idiot, promoted specifically because of his inept incompetence.
Ive personally proved him worng every time I had the chance.
Youre a hardline hardheaded shill, arent you? Quoting: IDW 393824
idiot
u have done no such thing (u might think u have, but u havnt)
oh and this all comes from a pro hoagland site. If u believe anythibg hoagland says u are not just retarded but quite simply mad as well. |
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LS
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User ID: 253961
3/16/2008 9:28 PM
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there is no way you can prove him wrong, just like he cannot prove everything he believes, so why bother?
Horseshit, hes a scatterbrained idiot, promoted specifically because of his inept incompetence.
Ive personally proved him worng every time I had the chance.
Youre a hardline hardheaded shill, arent you? Quoting: IDW 393824
whatever floats your boat.
If you are worthy of its affection, a cat will be your friend, but never your slave.
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Gridkeeper
User ID: 177473
3/16/2008 9:30 PM
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I've had people from ats trying to drag me over there to speak to him and after I read one page of his righteous opinions I didn't bother. No doubt they would have banned me at some stage like I was banned at ats. Got dragged into RU by the same people and got smothered in bullshit. As soon as I proved one of them 100% to be wrong I was banned from there also. Nsa sucks.
Gridkeeper@YouTube [link to www.youtube.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
3/16/2008 9:30 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
there is no way you can prove him wrong, just like he cannot prove everything he believes, so why bother?
Horseshit, hes a scatterbrained idiot, promoted specifically because of his inept incompetence.
Ive personally proved him worng every time I had the chance.
Youre a hardline hardheaded shill, arent you? Quoting: IDW 393824
Oh, hi again, little IDW. You calling Phil an idiot is completely laughable. He's got more sense in his little finger than you. |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 9:31 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
The joke is that it needs no debunking...there isn't a shred of evidence to debunk! I've been asking you for something...anything...to prove it's existance for months now and so far you have come up with exactly ZERO. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of?
You've been asking me for something...anything as proof? why, so you can attack it and call me a cult member and a loony? No. No more debate with you.
The debunkers jumped on this thread only minutes after I posted it. I suspect you did not even read it. And why is it that you are on 24/7 just waiting for something to come up regarding Planet X? Don't you have a job? oh wait, this is your job... sorry. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
3/16/2008 9:34 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
You've been asking me for something...anything as proof? why, so you can attack it and call me a cult member and a loony? No. No more debate with you. Quoting: watcher 377687
Since when have you EVER debated. You have YET to provide the FIRST shred of evidence. Or even a reference to ONE instance of Nancy's predictions that have come true.
It must be truly frustrating to have hitched your horse to a wagon with no wheels. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 351208
3/16/2008 9:34 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
The joke is that it needs no debunking...there isn't a shred of evidence to debunk! I've been asking you for something...anything...to prove it's existance for months now and so far you have come up with exactly ZERO.
You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of?
You've been asking me for something...anything as proof? why, so you can attack it and call me a cult member and a loony? No. No more debate with you.
The debunkers jumped on this thread only minutes after I posted it. I suspect you did not even read it. And why is it that you are on 24/7 just waiting for something to come up regarding Planet X? Don't you have a job? oh wait, this is your job... sorry. Quoting: watcher 377687
paranoid fuckwit |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 88145
3/16/2008 9:37 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
there is no way you can prove him wrong, just like he cannot prove everything he believes, so why bother?
Horseshit, hes a scatterbrained idiot, promoted specifically because of his inept incompetence.
Ive personally proved him worng every time I had the chance.
Youre a hardline hardheaded shill, arent you? Quoting: IDW 393824
For those of you who don't know little IDW here, he was severely trounced by Phil...thus his hate for him. Just like IDW's hate for me for exposing him as the completely uneducated kid that he is. |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 9:40 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
From Zetatalk's own pages on how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder:
[link to www.zetatalk.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 381149
3/16/2008 9:42 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
Phil Plait, I debunk that debunker all the time.  |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 9:43 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
You've been asking me for something...anything as proof? why, so you can attack it and call me a cult member and a loony? No. No more debate with you.
Since when have you EVER debated. You have YET to provide the FIRST shred of evidence. Or even a reference to ONE instance of Nancy's predictions that have come true.
It must be truly frustrating to have hitched your horse to a wagon with no wheels. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 88145
There's no need to debate with you on anything. You use selective evidence to bash Nibiru, while ignoring the hundreds of pages of scientific observation on Zetatalk. You're only reply is to bash Zetatalk as being nonsense. That is not debunking, you're a fraud. |
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SunSpot
User ID: 240713
3/16/2008 9:44 PM
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"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
Quoting: watcher 377687
He's got something like nine pages on his website debunking Hoagland by focusing on the facts. You ignore all those and go to the one page where he's responding to Hoagland on the radio. Deal with one of these pages - just one - before you start whining about Phil lacking substantial arguments:
[link to www.badastronomy.com]
[link to www.badastronomy.com]
[link to www.badastronomy.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 383805
3/16/2008 9:58 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of? Quoting: watcher 377687
Ah... another lie I have caught you in.
[link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
looks to me like he debated Nancy.
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 10:00 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
He's got something like nine pages on his website debunking Hoagland by focusing on the facts. You ignore all those and go to the one page where he's responding to Hoagland on the radio. Deal with one of these pages - just one - before you start whining about Phil lacking substantial arguments:
[ link to www.badastronomy.com]
[ link to www.badastronomy.com]
[ link to www.badastronomy.com] Quoting: SunSpot
Total, absolute spin and selective evidence, followed by more personal attacks, especially regarding the mars real color. I've seen leaked photos of Mars before undergoing processing by their 'arts department' to make mars look red, when in reality mars has a bluish color, similar to earth. |
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Tmad1
User ID: 342643
3/16/2008 10:00 PM
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Fuuny tho they did debate if you can call what your little cult leader did was debating.
[link to www.bautforum.com] |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 10:02 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of?
Ah... another lie I have caught you in.
[ link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
looks to me like he debated Nancy.
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yeah, and nancy refuted all of Phils claims, making him look like a bafoon:
[link to www.zetatalk.com] |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 10:04 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
"Phil Plait PHD in astronomy refers to himself as the bad astronomer. As you will see he really is bad. He is a self-professed “debunker” with a strong bias towards his own preconceived vision of reality. In the Phil Plait reality there is no regard for the scientific methods or processes that leads one to choose a position in a scientific theory. In many places on his website he refers to himself as a “scientist”. I will leave that up to the reader to decide..."
Article: [ link to ruinsofmars.com]
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
He's got something like nine pages on his website debunking Hoagland by focusing on the facts. You ignore all those and go to the one page where he's responding to Hoagland on the radio. Deal with one of these pages - just one - before you start whining about Phil lacking substantial arguments:
[ link to www.badastronomy.com]
[ link to www.badastronomy.com]
[ link to www.badastronomy.com]
Total, absolute spin and selective evidence, followed by more personal attacks, especially regarding the mars real color. I've seen leaked photos of Mars before undergoing processing by their 'arts department' to make mars look red, when in reality mars has a bluish color, similar to earth. Quoting: watcher 377687
When I said bluish color, I mean the sky, but even the ground is not as red as the 'official' NASA photos depict. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 383805
3/16/2008 10:14 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of?
Ah... another lie I have caught you in.
[ link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
looks to me like he debated Nancy.
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yeah, and nancy refuted all of Phils claims, making him look like a bafoon:
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
There you go, back peddling again.
Here is the transcript of the debate
[link to www.bautforum.com]
Looks like Phil pretty well trashed her. |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 11:24 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of?
Ah... another lie I have caught you in.
[ link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
looks to me like he debated Nancy.
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yeah, and nancy refuted all of Phils claims, making him look like a bafoon:
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
There you go, back peddling again.
Here is the transcript of the debate
[ link to www.bautforum.com]
Looks like Phil pretty well trashed her.
This debate was totally one sided and framed that way intentionally. MSM does this all the time, especially Fox. Phil got atleast 70% more time to talk than Nancy did, and even there he continued with bashing Nancy's character and being completely rude. And even with the information Phil provided, Nancy still pulled many innacuracies out and rufutted them in her rebuttal on Zetatalk. Than, Phils attempts at debunking all of the PX photos as sundogs turned out to be a total failure for anybody that examins all of the pictures. Who was he trying to educate? a bunch of first graders? It pretty obvious that sundogs appear on pictures in relation to where the lens is pointed at the sun. Phil used that argument to debunk all of the pictures. A great majority are sundogs, but many are clearly not, and Nancy herself admitted this. In the end, Phil debunked nothing. He also refused to touch on many other subjects claiming 'ignorance' as his defense i.e. mammoths. And even with the short statement he made about mammoths he showed lack of knowledge. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 393904
3/16/2008 11:31 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke! Quoting: watcher 377687
Phil Plait is a real astronomer, and you're not.
Phil Plait knows what he's talking about and you don't.
You and your "Nibblers" or "Planet Ecksians" or whatever you want to call yourselves don't have a shred of evidence for your beliefs, and all of your so-called predictions have been -- and will continue to be -- complete failures. |
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Empress Petunia
User ID: 392884
3/16/2008 11:46 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
He's a wanker and a hack. |
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SunSpot
User ID: 240713
3/16/2008 11:47 PM
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Total, absolute spin and selective evidence, followed by more personal attacks, especially regarding the mars real color. I've seen leaked photos of Mars before undergoing processing by their 'arts department' to make mars look red, when in reality mars has a bluish color, similar to earth. Quoting: watcher 377687
Since you're not actually refuting him, I'll conclude that you're incapable of doing so. |
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watcher
User ID: 377687 (OP)
3/16/2008 11:53 PM | | Re: Yet Again, Phil Plait of BAD ASTRONOMY exposed as a disinfo agent. | Quote |
And this guy, Phil, tries to debunk Planet X(Nibiru)? give me a break! what a joke!
Phil Plait is a real astronomer, and you're not.
Phil Plait knows what he's talking about and you don't.
You and your "Nibblers" or "Planet Ecksians" or whatever you want to call yourselves don't have a shred of evidence for your beliefs, and all of your so-called predictions have been -- and will continue to be -- complete failures. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 393904
What flavor kool-aid are you drinking? |
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SunSpot
User ID: 240713
3/16/2008 11:54 PM
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You like to change the subject eh? The moral of this thread is that Phil is not a scientist, as demonstrated with the article. Let's also not forget how Phil Plait avoided a debate with Nancy Lieder several years ago. What's he scared of?
Ah... another lie I have caught you in.
[ link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
looks to me like he debated Nancy.
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yeah, and nancy refuted all of Phils claims, making him look like a bafoon:
[ link to www.zetatalk.com]
Nancy's refutations bear little resemblance to reality. For just one example, here's the original thread on sci.astro called "OK Nancy, where is it?", which is very different from Nancy's description. For one thing, the location of Planet X she points out is completely different from the coordinates she originally gave:
[link to groups.google.com] |
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SunSpot
User ID: 240713
3/16/2008 11:58 PM
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This debate was totally one sided and framed that way intentionally. MSM does this all the time, especially Fox. Phil got atleast 70% more time to talk than Nancy did, and even there he continued with bashing Nancy's character and being completely rude. And even with the information Phil provided, Nancy still pulled many innacuracies out and rufutted them in her rebuttal on Zetatalk. Than, Phils attempts at debunking all of the PX photos as sundogs turned out to be a total failure for anybody that examins all of the pictures. Who was he trying to educate? a bunch of first graders? It pretty obvious that sundogs appear on pictures in relation to where the lens is pointed at the sun. Phil used that argument to debunk all of the pictures. A great majority are sundogs, but many are clearly not, and Nancy herself admitted this. In the end, Phil debunked nothing. He also refused to touch on many other subjects claiming 'ignorance' as his defense i.e. mammoths. And even with the short statement he made about mammoths he showed lack of knowledge. Quoting: watcher 377687
I've looked at literally hundreds of photos Nancy claimed were of Planet X, and every single one was a sundog or some other optical or atmospheric phenomenon. How many do I have to look at before I conclude that she's a loony?
(And if you can point to any photos that are NOT sundogs, please do so.) |
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