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SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.

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Ignatius J. Reilly
User ID: 395972
3/19/2008 11:36 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

My father died as a direct result of smoking for 50 years. My mother, who smoked for 30 years, is now dying of lung cancer. I will probably follow in their footsteps because I smoked as well. Don't tell me it's healthy. You're a fucking idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395965


Well, you're the one who is going to die of lung cancer, who is the idiot?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395958
3/19/2008 11:40 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Well, you're the one who is going to die of lung cancer, who is the idiot?
 Quoting: Ignatius J. Reilly 395972


Got "propoganda"?

Wise up.
If Mass Media is tellin you something.......they're lying.

But don't believe me. Just fact check the news.
OP
User ID: 395958
3/19/2008 11:46 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

My father died as a direct result of smoking for 50 years. My mother, who smoked for 30 years, is now dying of lung cancer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395965


And pray tell.......how on earth did the Coroner isolate SMOKING, and not put into the equation, the effects of breathing in Heavy POLLUTION & the effects of Atomic Above ground testing, for years and years and years.....Well you get the picture.

Think about it.

You're being duped. How does it feel?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 384982
3/19/2008 11:47 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Joe Vialls wrote a great article on how the government is blaming cigarettes for cancer when they know fully well it is the radioactive particles in the atmosphere causing it. Where did these particles come from..... atmospheric atomic tests??

All scientific studies(done to date) not consensus using mice and bombard them with the equivalent dose of smoke of a 200 a day smoker. Result... not one of the mice developed cancer.

It's even in the U.S. congressional committee minutes of 1981-2.

Anyway for a great read go to

[link to www.vialls.com]
OP
User ID: 395958
3/19/2008 11:56 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Joe Vialls wrote a great article on how the government is blaming cigarettes for cancer when they know fully well it is the radioactive particles in the atmosphere causing it. Where did these particles come from..... atmospheric atomic tests??

All scientific studies(done to date) not consensus using mice and bombard them with the equivalent dose of smoke of a 200 a day smoker. Result... not one of the mice developed cancer.

It's even in the U.S. congressional committee minutes of 1981-2.

Anyway for a great read go to

[link to www.vialls.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 384982


Thanks Poster for the link.

I had it in Firefox, then the fukers "updated me" and....WHAMMO......all my Bookmarks got erased.

Thanks again.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395714
3/20/2008 12:07 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

My advice to you?

Turn of the Propaganda machine. You're turning stupid.
 Quoting: OP 395958


Please follow your "advice" yourself, thank you very much.
What you perform here, is false Propaganda.
Besides that, you use this word in a false context.

By the way, how much does the tobacco industry pay you,
so that you make false and dangerous statements like
"SMOKING IS HEALTHY" ?

Does it seem, that this industry-branch has to endure a stiff "headwind" and is not so profitable any more?
And now you and certain other people feel the sudden urge to make promotion for smoking, a very odd coincidence indeed,
isn't it?

Regarding the word "stupid":
How dare you to compare the FORMER (more "natural") tobacco-usage from thousands of years ago with the modern and extremely "finetuned" tobacco-products from TODAY?
"Finetuned" means, that in Tobacco-products from TODAY,
many additional flavour-tuning substances are included
and that many addiction-enhancing substances etc. are included too.
Such industrial mass-produced diabolic substances,
which were invented in MODERN laboratories,
were not added and used thousands of years AGO.

Therefore, please don't mix apples and pears together.
You haven't done even your basic homework obviously.
Very revealing.

Please read this whole thread again and study,
what ex-smokers say here.
Some of them admit most clearly,
that smoking is wrong and unhealthy etc.
How dare you to disbelieve their honest testimonies,
which are the results of their first hand experience?

Now walk straight into a lung-clinic and talk to the
many people there, who are close to death,
then open up your ears and listen,
what they tell you about this whole issue.

For a person, who sounds like a paid shill of an unethical
multi-billion industry, you write astoundingly arrogant
and uninformed. You should better mourn about tens of thousands of people, who die every year, because they smoke the "finetuned" tobacco products of our MODERN world.

What your "romantical" and deluding excursion regarding the tobacco-usage from thousands of years AGO has to do with the many smokers, who die from the extremely MODIFIED tobacco products of our MODERN world, is a mystery, that maybe only a paid shill can try to "explain".

I have no sympathy for people, who trade with deadly stuff,
which noone needs and which has no constructive purpose,
be it the armaments industry, or the tobacco industry etc.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395776
3/20/2008 12:13 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Does anyone know where to purchase American Spirit Organic ROlling tobacco in Australia? We get the filter cigs, but don;t seem to be able to find a stockist of the rolling tobacco. Any clues would help!
Thanks!
OP
User ID: 395958
3/20/2008 12:16 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

"By the early 20th Century almost one in every two people smoked, but the incidence of lung cancer remained so low that it was almost immeasurable. Then something extraordinary happened on July 16, 1945: a terrifying cataclysmic event that would eventually cause western governments to distort the perception of smoking forever.?>"

What happened on July 16, 1945 was the first Atmospheric Atomic testing.

Not many people know the particle radioactive half-life of Atomic particles is a minimum of 50,000 years.

These particles are still in the atmosphere. Breathe it in, you get lung cancer.

[link to www.vialls.com]

***NOTICE HOW SOMEONE HAS MADE THIS WEBSITE IN CERTAIN SECTIONS UNREADABLE ? ****

Hmmmmm.....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395714
3/20/2008 12:24 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

By the way, "natural" tobacco can or could have maybe
some effects which are or could be used "medically".

But this has NOTHING to do with the diabolically
MODIFIED tobacco-products used in our MODERN world,
which kill tens of thousands of people every year,
who die from lung cancer, which is caused by smoking.

As i said, don't mix apples and pears.
OP
User ID: 395958
3/20/2008 12:27 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Please read this whole thread again and study,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395714


Why don't you read the first page again and study it.

When you're done, get back to me.

And while you're at it, give me a reasonable response to every point I've made, since I'm the original poster.

Thank YOU very much !

Educate yourself, or better yet, turn OFF YER FUKIN TV.
OP
User ID: 395958
3/20/2008 12:36 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Does anyone know where to purchase American Spirit Organic ROlling tobacco in Australia? We get the filter cigs, but don;t seem to be able to find a stockist of the rolling tobacco. Any clues would help!
Thanks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395776


Your best best would have to be Online. My experience in Australia was I couldn't find it anywhere.

Google --- American Spirit rolling tobacco Organic

I guess you'll have to wait for shipping, but it's worth it !

Here's an idea. Start you own Distributing Co.
OP
User ID: 395958
3/20/2008 12:44 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

By the way, "natural" tobacco can or could have maybe
some effects which are or could be used "medically".

But this has NOTHING to do with the diabolically
MODIFIED tobacco-products used in our MODERN world,
which kill tens of thousands of people every year,
who die from lung cancer, which is caused by smoking.

As i said, don't mix apples and pears.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395714


Thanks for agreeing with most posters that Tobacco does not kill.

Thats why I started this thread, to make people aware of the problems with Commercial Big Tobacco, and the harmful and possibly life threatening (over long term periods) additives they add.

What needs to happen is full disclosure about the history and medicinal use of Natural Tobacco, and Big Tobacco needs to clean up their act. BIG TIME.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395714
3/20/2008 12:52 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

OP, how about debating all of my points?

Who did ever say, that you are not the OP?
And because you are the OP, which noone ever denied,
you have the same responsibility for the content of your thread and your posts, as i have for my posts.

And i did not made off-topic posts during the whole thread,
so i acted very responsible here,
may i therefore ask, what your point is?

I gladly appreciate, that you said "thank you".
I try to appreciate every human being,
so i hope you try to appreciate me the same way,
as i try to appreciate you.
After all, this is no silly street-fight here.

We seem to disagree regarding this topic,
but lets disagree respectfully then :-)

In my time-zone it is high-time to go to bed,
so i have to go to bed now.

Peace to EVERYONE :-)
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 395714
3/20/2008 1:09 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Ok, really last point for now, before i go to bed:

OP, your thread has the very misleading title:
"Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO."

Why didn't you choose your thread title wisely then?

Why you didn't wrote instead (for instance):
"NOT modified tobacco could be used medically sometimes."

The issue of smoking and the usage of "natural"
tobacco for hypothetical medically purposes
are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TOPICS
and it would be very harmful to mix them.

This point is irrefutable.
And since this point is irrefutable,
why didn't you choose a logical thread title in the first place?

Was this therefore simply a very unlucky choose of words or was this an intentional choice of words for the thread-title,
in order to boost a certain agenda?

I go to bed now, as i said before.

Peace to everyone.
OP
User ID: 395958
3/20/2008 2:10 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

may i therefore ask, what your point is?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 395714


Page one of my post:

(Would be nice if people learned how to read the first page of a post ! !)

The ancient medicinal plant tobacco (in use by humans for 4,000 years) is the Scapegoat used by the Chemical and Oil industries.

-- Toxic pollution causes cancer. BUT what do you hear, drilled into your brains daily? Tobacco.

-- Why is it, we have this huge increase in lung cancer and other cancers, EXACTLY coinciding with the Industrial Revolution??

--GOOGLE "Cover up chemical industry"

A little common sense will tell you what happens when you breath in Diesel, Car exhaust fumes and Factory fumes, every single day, 7 days a week, all year long. For years on end.

-- WHY is lung cancer on the rise, with smokers AND non-smokers, even tho thousands and thousands of people who listen to the propaganda, are quitting ??

-- Ask any smoker if he gets a lot of colds a year. They'll answer not that many.

Ask a non-smoker. They'll answer they get a lot.

--Historically, the California Desert indians smoked tobacco, to cure a cold.
[link to academic.udayton.edu]

-- Could it be the smokers cough, is tobacco causing the lungs to expel the effects of pollution?

-- FINALLY here's the clincher. WHEN has the Mass Media EVER TOLD YOU THE TRUTH ???????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 375964
3/20/2008 2:23 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Patrick Swayze is dying of pancreatic cancer and is a heavy smoker. I don't think cigarettes caused his cancer.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 129376
3/20/2008 2:25 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958

Great. I think you should smoke 4 to 5 cartons a day. Just think how healthy you'll be !
deepend Subscriber
User ID: 341709
3/20/2008 2:32 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Tobacco might not be so bad, but the added chemicals in cigarettes and filters are deadly and highly addictive. And I'm a smoker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward



I agree. I am currently on Chantix. Start smoking pipe tobacco and you will really see it. You start going through withdrawals smoking pipe tobacco. Chantix is a wonder drug blocking the effects of nicotine or whatever. I went through minor withdrawals for two weeks while smoking - then you just more or less give up. I know there are some stories out there about side effects; but it has done the trick for me.
^^ gravity is a harsh reality. ^^
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 390678
3/20/2008 2:34 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

I would hate to be the guy that is dying of nothing.....
some bloke in england
User ID: 396055
3/20/2008 3:39 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

So, you thought it was the tar that caused cancer...

Think again. Cigarette companies will have you believing
anything just as long as you continue to buy their products. The
fact is, although insoluble tars are a contributing factor to the
lung cancer danger present in today's cigarettes, the real danger
is radioactivity.
According to U.S. Surgeon General C. Everette
Koop (on national television, 1990) radioactivity, not tar,
accounts for at least 90% of all smoking related lung cancer.
Tobacco crops grown in the United States are fertilized by law
with phosphates rich in radium 226. In addition, many soils have
a natural radium 226 content. Radium 226 breaks down into two long
lived 'daughter' elements -- lead 210 and polonium 210. These
radioactive particles become airborne, and attach themselves to the
fine hairs on tobacco leaves.

Studies have shown that lead 210 and polonium 210 deposits
accumulate in the bodies of people exposed to cigarette smoke.
Data collected in the late 1970's shows that smokers have three
times as much of these elements in their lower lungs as non
smokers. Smokers also show a greater accumulation of lead 210 and
polonium 210 in their skeletons,though no studies have been
conducted to link these deposits with bone cancer. Polonium 210 is
the only component of cigarette smoke which has produced tumors by
itself in inhalation experiments with animals.
When a smoker inhales tobacco smoke, the lungs react by
forming irritated areas in the bronchi. All smoke produces this
effect. However, although these irritated spots are referred to as
'pre-cancerous' lesions, they are a perfectly natural defense
system and usually go away with no adverse effects. Insoluble tars
in tobacco smoke can slow this healing process by adhering to
lesions and causing additional irritation. In addition, tobacco
smoke causes the bronchi to constrict for long periods of time,
which obstructs the lung's ability to clear itself of these
residues.
Polonium 210 and lead 210 in tobacco smoke show a tendency to
accumulate at lesions in specific spots, called bifurcations, in
the bronchi.
When smoking is continued for an extended period of
time, deposits of radioactivity turn into radioactive 'hot spots'
and remain at bifurcations for years. Polonium 210 emits highly
localized alpha radiation which has been shown to cause cancer.
Since the polonium 210 has a half life of 21.5 years (Due to the
presence of lead 210), it can put an ex-smoker at risk for years
after he or she quits. Experiments measuring the level of polonium
210 in victims of lung cancer found that the level of 'hot spot'
activity was virtually the same in smokers and ex-smokers even though
the ex-smokers had quit five years prior to death.
Over half of the radioactive materials emitted by a burning
cigarette are released into the air, where they can be inhaled by
non-smokers. In addition to lead 210 and polonium 210 it has been
proven that tobacco smoke can cause airborne radioactive particles
to collect in the lungs of both smokers and non-smokers exposed to
second hand smoke.
Original studies conducted on uranium miners
which showed an increased risk of lung cancer due to exposure to
radon in smokers have been re-run to evaluate the radioactive lung
cancer risk from indoor air radon. It turns out that tobacco smoke
works as a kind of 'magnet' for airborne radioactive particles,
causing them to deposit in your lungs instead of on furniture.
(Smoking indoors increases lung cancer risks greatly.)
It has been estimated that the total accumulated alpha
radiation exposure of a pack-a-day indoor smoker is 38 to 97 rad by
age 60.
(Two packs a day yields up to 143 rad, and non-smokers
receive no more than 17 rad.) An exposure of 1 rad per year yields
a 1% risk of lung cancer (at the lowest estimate.)
Don't smoke. Or if you do, smoke lightly, outdoors, and
engage frequently in activities which will clear your lungs.
Imported India tobacco has less than half the radiation content of
that grown in the U.S.
Kicking the nicotine habit is not easy, and nobody has the
right to expect it of you. Often physical addictions are
reinforced by emotional and psychological needs. Filling or coming
to terms with those needs can give you the inspiration and added
freedom to succeed.
Most of all, inform yourself, even if the information is
disturbing. You are a lot less likely to be taken in by tobacco
advertising once you know the facts.


Nicotine, the active ingredient in tobacco smoke, has long
been known to be highly addictive. In fact, doctors and
pharmacologists are not in consensus as to which is more addictive
-- nicotine, or heroin. Physical addiction occurs when a chemical
becomes essential for the body or metabolism to function. In other
words, a substance is said to be physically addictive if extended
use results in a build up of tolerance in the body to the extent
that discontinuing use of the substance results in negative side
effects. Called "withdrawal symptoms," these consequences can
include anxiety, stress, trauma, depression and physical conditions
such as shakes or nausea. It is to avoid these consequences that
an addict will keep using his or her substance.
In addition to being addictive, nicotine is also a toxin (i.e.
lethal if ingested in sufficient quantities.) Nicotine has been
shown to have a negative effect on the heart and circulatory
systems, causing a constriction in veins and arteries which may
lead to a stroke or heart attack. In fact, nicotine is so
poisonous that smokers who ignore their doctor's advice and
continue to smoke while using dermal nicotine patches have managed
to overdose and die of heart seizure.

Many people think smoking marijuana is just as harmful as
smoking tobacco, but this is not true. Those who hold that
marijuana is equivalent to tobacco are misinformed. Due to the
efforts of various federal agencies to discourage use of
marijuana in the 1970's the government, in a fit of "reefer
madness," conducted several biased studies designed to return
results that would equate marijuana smoking with tobacco smoking,
or worse.
For example the Berkeley carcinogenic tar studies of the
late 1970's concluded that "marijuana is one-and-a-half times as
carcinogenic as tobacco." This finding was based solely on the
tar content of cannabis leaves compared to that of tobacco, and
did not take radioactivity into consideration. (Cannabis tars do
not contain radioactive materials.) In addition, it was not
considered that:
1) Most marijuana smokers smoke the bud, not the leaf, of
the plant. The bud contains only 33% as much tar as tobacco.
2) Marijuana smokers do not smoke anywhere near as much as
tobacco smokers, due to the psychoactive effects of cannabis.
3) Not one case of lung cancer has ever been successfully
linked to marijuana use.
4) Cannabis, unlike tobacco, does not cause any narrowing of
the small air passageways in the lungs.
In fact, marijuana has been shown to be an expectorant and
actually dilates the air channels it comes in contact with. This
is why many asthma sufferers look to marijuana to provide relief.
Doctors have postulated that marijuana may, in this respect, be
more effective than all of the prescription drugs on the market.
Studies even show that due to marijuana's ability to clear
the lungs of smog, pollutants, and cigarette smoke, it may
actually reduce your risk of emphysema, bronchitis, and lung
cancer. Smokers of cannabis have been shown to outlive non-
smokers in some areas by up to two years. Medium to heavy
tobacco smokers will live seven to ten years longer if they also
smoke marijuana.
Cannabis is also radically different from tobacco in that it
does not contain nicotine and is not addictive. The psychoactive
ingredient in marijuana, THC, has been accused of causing brain
and genetic damage, but these studies have all been disproven.
In fact, the DEA's own Administrative Law Judge Francis Young has
declared that "marijuana in its natural form is far safer than
many foods we commonly consume."

The disturbing thing about all of this information is that
the majority of Americans are as yet unaware of the radioactive
risk in cigarettes. In fact, many professionals: doctors,
scientists and health administrators, either have never heard of
polonium 210 or consider it to be just another scare story.
Why is this information so hard to come by? When the
studies were first released in the late 70's, many magazines were
unable to print articles because their main advertisers,
cigarette companies, threatened to pull support if they published
the facts. Although network news did pick up the story,
virtually nothing came out in print. Those who heard were hard
pressed to produce collaborating evidence, and were eventually
convinced it was nothing to worry about.
The power of the cigarette industry to suppress information
goes far beyond magazines, however. A well financed tobacco
lobby has been very active in the United States Congress for
decades procuring subsidies and fighting laws and proposed
research which could hurt the American tobacco industry. Tobacco
interests practically own Senate and House seats, as many
campaign contributions come from cigarette profits. Tobacco pay-
offs also go to fund organizations such as the Partnership For A
Drug Free America, which adopt a harsh anti-drug agenda yet seem
to omit alcohol and tobacco (claiming they are harmless.)
As an example, a 1984 law which was intended to require
tobacco companies to release to the public a list of additives
used in the manufacture of cigarettes was watered down to the
extent that the list is now released only to the Department of
Health and Human Services on the condition that it not be shown
to anyone else. Companies have been known in the past to add
chemicals to cigarettes for flavor, and, many assert, for their
addictive properties. In Britain such chemicals have included
acetone and turpentine, as well as an assortment of known
carcinogens.
Tobacco companies argue that revealing their 'secret
ingredients' would hurt their competitiveness. In fact, when
Canada passed legislation forcing additive lists to be released,
one large company reformulated its recipe for its Canadian
distribution; another took its product out of Canada entirely.
Tobacco companies do not have the right to poison the
public. Don't trust them. Get the information you need to make
your own decisions, and restore government to the people.

Another destructive aspect of the Drug War is the
unreasonable measures taken as a result of "reefer madness."
Because of the long standing anti-pot-smoking paranoia begun in
the 1930's, many law enforcement agencies have taken it upon
themselves to censor and limit the marijuana culture through
whatever channels they can find. This includes the banning of
various forms of drug "paraphernalia" (pipes, clips, rolling
papers, etc.)
Water pipes, or "bongs," are quite often the target of such
efforts. Claiming that water pipes are constructed to allow
marijuana smokers to inhale "dangerous" marijuana smoke deeper
into their lungs, many states and towns have passed laws
controlling the sale, manufacture, and possession of these items
for "health" reasons.
The sad fact is, water pipes have been shown to be extremely
effective in removing harmful materials from smoke before it
reaches the lungs. They also cool the smoke and prevent injury
and irritation to lung passages. In effect, laws against water
pipes hurt all smokers, cannabis and tobacco, by preventing the
development of safer forms of consumption.

Produced as a public service by the University of Massachusetts
at Amherst Cannabis Reform Coalition
Researched and written by Brian S. Julin

[link to www.erowid.org]
 Quoting: Agent Tray


Wow.. that's smoke for thought.. I didn't know all that..
Here in the UK, one sees people standing outside in the freezing cold & rain.. catching their death in mid-winter, while they breathe in exhaust fumes, partlicles, dust, ash, chemicals & general pollution. I stratch my head & frown at the absurdity.. of the widespread smoking ban.. while our faces, throats & lungs are covered in this 'industrial' pollution from industry, passing traffic & overhead planes. The UK press has tottally demonised cannabis.. claiming it's turning our vunerable young people into axe wielding, gun toting psychopaths, everytime there's the odd loony who flips out & goes crazy. You know like.. no mention about the harmful tobbaco/tar, pollution & toxic food diets 'might' contribute towards anti-social behaviour. Cannabis users are being way way more demonised than crack & smack addicts, or meth or cocaine users. I've recently stopped smoking tobacco, as my doctor diagnosed me with very high cholesterol. I know 'smoking' doesn't help of course, plus I can't afford it anymore.. & I hate smoking tobbaco & paper anyway. I like to smoke cannabis now & then, but would 'no way' smoke a cigarette or tobacco on it's own. This proves beyond doubt I'm not addicted to smoking, not hooked.. I don't get cravings .. I can 'Take it or Leave it' as I please. The ONLY way I will smoke ever again is if I can smoke the 'cannabis' pure.. say in a pipe, water bong or something.. without the need to mix it with the harmful tobbaco/skins. I think cannabis has helped me a lot over the years, except money-wise ahh.. suppose.
I never really thought about the possibilty that any of the plants we consume may be.. radio-active.?!! wow... that's really shit..! What double standards are the authorities trying to brain-wash us with.. do they think we're ALL bleedin.. ignorant..?!! Yeah.. spray the crops with chemicals, pollute our dairy, the water we drink, the air we breathe, have us breathe particles from lorry exhausts, be exposed to 'dioxins' esp: the really dangerous dioxin4, released.. when plastic is burned.. oh yeahh.. not to mention the 'military' test firing their 'depleted uranium' shells around the place.
Then..!!??? the miserable buggers tell us we can't smoke natural herbs outta the ground. Sigh.. t'isk, I dunno like.
Sybil
User ID: 350812
3/20/2008 3:47 AM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

The ancient medicinal plant tobacco (in use by humans for 4,000 years) is the Scapegoat used by the Chemical and Oil industries.

-- Toxic pollution causes cancer. BUT what do you hear, drilled into your brains daily? Tobacco.

-- Why is it, we have this huge increase in lung cancer and other cancers, EXACTLY coinciding with the Industrial Revolution??

--GOOGLE "Cover up chemical industry"

A little common sense will tell you what happens when you breath in Diesel, Car exhaust fumes and Factory fumes, every single day, 7 days a week, all year long. For years on end.

-- WHY is lung cancer on the rise, with smokers AND non-smokers, even tho thousands and thousands of people who listen to the propaganda, are quitting ??

-- Ask any smoker if he gets a lot of colds a year. They'll answer not that many.

Ask a non-smoker. They'll answer they get a lot.

--Historically, the California Desert indians smoked tobacco, to cure a cold.
[link to academic.udayton.edu]

-- Could it be the smokers cough, is tobacco causing the lungs to expel the effects of pollution?

-- FINALLY here's the clincher. WHEN has the Mass Media EVER TOLD YOU THE TRUTH ???????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394958

I take it you're a smoker.
I'd rather be scourged than listen to George.
We feel your pain at The "OFFICIAL" George Noory Sucks Thread.

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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 396282
3/20/2008 1:01 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.
Great. I think you should smoke 4 to 5 cartons a day. Just think how healthy you'll be !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129376
OP
User ID: 396282
3/20/2008 1:06 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.
Great. I think you should smoke 4 to 5 cartons a day. Just think how healthy you'll be !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129376


Uhuh.

Yo EINSTEIN. You show me anywhere in my original post where I'm saying smoke 5 cartons a day.

You're fukin "brilliant". Using your logic I'm supposed to go out and drink 8 gallons of water. Water's healthy right?

You givin me a headache son.
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OP
User ID: 396282
3/20/2008 1:16 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

...... FINALLY here's the clincher. WHEN has the Mass Media EVER TOLD YOU THE TRUTH ???????

I take it you're a smoker.
 Quoting: Sybil


I'm an intelligent smoker who knows that tobacco is a Sacred leaf and medicinal plant.

An you?
OP
User ID: 396282
3/20/2008 1:45 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

According to U.S. Surgeon General C. Everette
Koop (on national television, 1990) radioactivity, not tar,
accounts for at least 90% of all smoking related lung cancer.
Tobacco crops grown in the United States are fertilized by law
with phosphates rich in radium 226.
 Quoting: some bloke in england 396055


Thanks for postin this.

Which backs up the points I'm making. Use discernment when choosing a Tobacco company. (Smoke organic non-american tobacco.)

If enough people do it, then maybe Big Business Tobacco will clean up their products.

BTW- I'm not believing the bit about tar. It's all about dosages. But they never mention that part, do they?
Hmmm. I wonder "why".

You smoke 4-6 a day, the level of tar is minuscule to none. I'd say even with a pack a day. (Altho, personally I think a pack a day is too much.) Why. Cause it's not tobacco causing all this harm. It's POLLUTION.

Tobacco is the scapegoat. Think of all the money they're saving on LAWSUITS from people dropping like flies from Pollution.

And the bullshit about Nicotine? Why is it some people stop smoking at the drop of a hat and others don't ?

For the same reason, some people smoke 2 packs a day and others smoke 4-6 cigs a day.

It's the individual.
THINK about it.

IF it were the nicotine, the everybody would need "chantix" and make Big Pharma the Financial owners of this planet.
(Pfizer's workin at it, the little shits !)

Let's get it straight. People smoke cause they fukin ENJOY IT. Not from some BS that they're "addicted".

**** WHATEVER YOU READ PUT OUT BY "SCIENTISTS" AND THE "EXPERTS", QUESTION IT AND PUT IT THROUGH YOUR MENTAL GRINDER ***

We've become a nation of SPONGES.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 129376
3/20/2008 2:07 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

You givin me a headache son.
 Quoting: OP 396282

Smoke a cigarette, that should clear it up.
Nada Khazar
User ID: 224132
3/20/2008 2:16 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

"1. Don't smoke commercial brands. (Smoke loose organic tobacco.)"
Not that good of a plan.Tobacco sold commercially bears little or no resemblance to actual tobacco--it's been genetically manipulated for generations.
Grow it yourself, or you are poisoning yourself--American Spirit is scarcely any closer to actual tobacco than a Marlboro.
Nada Khazar
User ID: 224132
3/20/2008 2:16 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

"1. Don't smoke commercial brands. (Smoke loose organic tobacco.)"
Not that good of a plan.Tobacco sold commercially bears little or no resemblance to actual tobacco--it's been genetically manipulated for generations.
Grow it yourself, or you are poisoning yourself--American Spirit is scarcely any closer to actual tobacco than a Marlboro.
Globalstar
User ID: 390936
3/20/2008 2:25 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

Think about this..

If I, One person, was to tell you drinking water causes cancer and is bad for you.. you would probably laugh.

Now, picture me, in charge of a multimedia empire, with the pharmacy companies at my side, and years and years of PSA announcements, brainwashing, ads in magazines on the danger of drinking water, Doctors telling you never to drink water, basically a full on assault on drinking water... even creating a "second hand effect" to those near water drinkers..

I can assure you that the sheeple would be screaming about the dangers of water.

Think about that..

I may not have said it in the best way but you get the idea.. its YEARS AND YEARS of brainwashing, conditioned response (Ever seen an anti smoker start coughing and waving hands as they saw your cigarette before you even lit up?)

If big government wants to demonize something.. its pretty easy with the sheep we have today.. just blast em with pseudo science and fake facts for years and let the sheeple run with it.
edgar celadus
User ID: 284955
3/20/2008 3:43 PM
Re: SMOKING IS HEALTHY ! .......YOU'RE ALL BEING LIED TO.Quote

"The world can only be turned right side up by the conscious collective activity of those who construct a theory of why it is upside down. Spontaneous rebellion alone is not sufficient. Without adequate advance preparation, the old world will simply reappear after any rebellion, embedded as it is in the psyches of the fabled "people." An authentic revolution can only occur if there is a coherent and practical mass movement of self-conscious individuals in which all of the mystifications of the past are being consciously swept away."
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