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Ophiuchus [the '13th sign']

 
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Ophiuchus [the '13th sign']
The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs:

Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar



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no comments?


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my birthday is 12-02
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no debunkers?

come on
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I can argue that there are none of those zodiac signs.

Why? because clusters of stars are a huge game of connect the dots - there is no hard fast application to how you connect those dots unless you just want too agree with another person.
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Definition: [Sun Signs - Solar Zodiac] Ophiuchus, the sign of the Serpent Bearer, is the 10th sign of the Real Solar Zodiac.

However, although it lies on the Ecliptic it is not one of the signs of either the Tropical Zodiac of standard Western Astrology, or the Sidereal Zodiac of standard Vedic astrology.

This problem is one of the most contentious issues in modern astrology. I know the subject of Ophiuchus causes us lots of grief as astrologers. But it's up there in the heavens. It exists. We can't ignore it.

The Thirteenth Sign? Ophiuchus is often mistakenly called the 'thirteenth sign of the zodiac' because the sign is thought of as an additional sign to the the twelve Tropical or Sidereal signs.

In fact, Ophiuchus is a Sun-sign in the Real Solar Zodiac, i.e. the Sun can be seen against the stars of Ophiuchus between 30th November and 17th December each year. [The dates of the cusps move a little from one year to the next, so sometimes they are quoted as 1st December to 18th December.] Aquarius, the Water Carrier, is the actual 13th, and last, sign of the Real Solar Zodiac.


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so I'm not cancer?

what if The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs are Lunar and not solar?
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I can argue that there are none of those zodiac signs.

Why? because clusters of stars are a huge game of connect the dots - there is no hard fast application to how you connect those dots unless you just want too agree with another person.
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true!
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What if the Klingons got stuck on Uranus?
Cui Bono?
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The Sun only transits Scorpio for six and a half days!

Unless the Sun lies somewhere between the first and last of the seven degrees which measures the distance between ecliptic "County Line" signs for constellation Scorpius (that's a 7-day window at best), you're not technically a Scorpio. So who is responsible for omitting Ophiuchus ???? And why ??? So how accurate is astrology ????
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Cool I always knew I was running with the Bulls
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A print from the Rosicrucian publication, Speculum Sophicum Rhodo-Stauroticum (Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosicrucians), written by Daniel Moegling and published in 1618 under the pen name Theophilus Schweighardt.

Ophiuchus top left hand corner

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no debunkers?

come on
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If you would actually write down something worth debunking, but I really don't care what astrologers call a certain period.

It's when they start trying to explain real issues through astrology that my blood starts to boil.
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chris angel fart spell
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why isn't this pinned?

its more logical than the other pinned thread
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why isn't this pinned?

its more logical than the other pinned thread
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why isn't this pinned?

its more logical than the other pinned thread
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A print from the Rosicrucian publication, Speculum Sophicum Rhodo-Stauroticum (Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosicrucians), written by Daniel Moegling and published in 1618 under the pen name Theophilus Schweighardt.

Ophiuchus top left hand corner

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 Quoting: Orenya


WoW Bump.
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bump 4 truth
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The Real Solar Zodiac Sun Signs:

Sun Sign Meaning Dates
01: Pisces the Fishes 12 Mar to 18 Apr
02: Aries the Ram 19 Apr to 13 May
03: Taurus the Bull 14 May to 19 Jun
04: Gemini the Twins 20 Jun to 20 Jul
05: Cancer the Crab 21 Jul to 9 Aug
06: Leo the Lion 10 Aug to 15 Sep
07: Virgo the Maiden 16 Sep to 30 Oct
08: Libra the Scales 31 Oct to 22 Nov
09: Scorpius the Scorpion 23 Nov to 29 Nov
10: Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer 30 Nov to 17 Dec
11 Sagittarius the Archer 18 Dec to 18 Jan
12: Capricornus the Sea Goat 19 Jan to 15 Feb
13: Aquarius the Water Carrier 16 Feb to 11 Mar



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 Quoting: Serpent Bearer 395190


Actually Ophiuchus is the NEW TENTH (New Completion) Sign, not the "13th" sign. The new 13th sign is Aquarius as you've rightly posted above.

As well, Ophiuchus is the snake WRESTLER, not "bearer" as the "snake" has always been here, not "born" by Ohpiuchus. hf
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Anunnaki= Sons of the Serpent
Ophiuchus= Serpent bearer.(not wrestler)
Now why do you think that constellation would be removed from a position of public awareness? Everyone is looking for Niburu and you're all missing the obvious, this is how they work. They hide the truth right under your nose.
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Please relate how this affects ancient Mayan calendar and the Chinese Baqua.
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No I'm sorry, we were looking for 'what is the 10th sign of the zodiac?' Yes, the 10th sign...
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this feels like a good clue, keep digging, or should we say keep star gazing....peace
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all those who know, reply in this thread,

i want to get to the bottom of this
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Anunnaki= Sons of the Serpent
Ophiuchus= Serpent bearer.(not wrestler)Now why do you think that constellation would be removed from a position of public awareness? Everyone is looking for Niburu and you're all missing the obvious, this is how they work. They hide the truth right under your nose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 312060


So says the serpent. Do you take everything you read at face value?
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all those who know, reply in this thread,

i want to get to the bottom of this
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Ophiuchus is the ONLY sign which directly connects the "sun" to this realm, and therefore is THE sign in which arrives the end of the rule of the serpent, HENCE the serpent wrestler.

They HIDE this fact in hopes of changing the outcome, just like they obscure EVERYTHING which jeopardizes their rule.

That no longer matters, as they have already LOST!

Welcome to the new timeline. hf
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Anunnaki= Sons of the Serpent
Ophiuchus= Serpent bearer.(not wrestler)Now why do you think that constellation would be removed from a position of public awareness? Everyone is looking for Niburu and you're all missing the obvious, this is how they work. They hide the truth right under your nose.


So says the serpent. Do you take everything you read at face value?
 Quoting: Saxon (777)

Actually that is my own original thought, arrived at by listening to all the evidence, weighing it against what we know about our master's deceptiveness.
It's called the serpent bearer because that is where the serpent comes from. The name was written down in too many places for them to obliterate completely so instead they just tell you it's nothing, or make pitiful attempts to try and steer people away from the obvious.

But believe as you wish.

we will know the truth of that in about fifty or a hundred years, if anyone is left by then, preparations are already under way for the removal of the bulk of the human infestation before they return. Leaving just enough behind to start the cycle again.
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A print from the Rosicrucian publication, Speculum Sophicum Rhodo-Stauroticum (Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosicrucians), written by Daniel Moegling and published in 1618 under the pen name Theophilus Schweighardt.

Ophiuchus top left hand corner

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 Quoting: Orenya


Thanks for posting this link. I've always wanted a good hi-res version of this image!

It's chock-full of amazing symbolism as Adam McLean explains:

The title page has at its head "under the Shadow of your wings" with the four lettered name of God JHVH thrice repeated. Immediately below this are two male figures one in an attitude of prayer (ORA), and another working with metal on an anvil (LABORA). The text on the right says "Here is clearly expounded all the skill of the whole world, all Art and Science at the same time. But seek first the kingdom of God and then contemplate this matter and take note carefully of everything". The adept is then exhorted by the text on the left not only to look outward at the wonders of Nature but also to look within, "If you understand and follow my feelings, you will never desire anything else, and like myself you will be content and ask little of the world's misery. And I know how to maintain myself in this and no money nor goods shall be lacking to me".

Further below two female figures are set in niches one labelled PHYSIOLOGIA and the other THEOLOGIA. Physiologia who represents the spiritual transformative forces working in the human soul from out of our bodily nature holds a winged flaming heart in her right hand and three symbols - a Rose, a feather quill pen, and a latin cross, while above her is the statement "This I hold for my radiant joy". Her syzygy Theologia, representing the spiritual force working from above into the human soul, holds a heart bearing the first and last things, the Alpha and Omega, A and Z, Aleph and Tau, the alchemical AZOTH, while in her left hand she hold a ruler and compass labelled "The Art of Nature", and above her is written "God's word which remains in eternity".

In the middle below the booktitle is a panel with a complex of symbols at the centre of which is a cross surrounded with a wreath of roses with the words "I am practiced in this". To its left is the cryptic remark "Behold Reader what stands before thy eyes. This is my true counterfeit, my life and my whole position, whereby my name will be known. In this sign is my name". Below, an island rises out of the sea of ignorant opinion and useless speculation, while above, a ship set on its course to the Rose Cross is guided by the hand of God holding the angelic wings.

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A print from the Rosicrucian publication, Speculum Sophicum Rhodo-Stauroticum (Mirror of the Wisdom of the Rosicrucians), written by Daniel Moegling and published in 1618 under the pen name Theophilus Schweighardt.

Ophiuchus top left hand corner

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 423072


Btw this would make a great Monty Python-style animation!

The four-wheeled turret represents the Invisible College going through the land, saving people from ignorance (the guy in the well) and defending the secrecy of the Rosicrucian Enlightenment.

Have a read of Frances Yates's books on the subject.
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As Schweighardt says of the Invisible College:

"There is a building, a great building lacking windows and doors, a princely, aye imperial palace, everywhere visible, but hidden from the eyes of men, adorned with all kinds of divine and natural things, the contemplation of which in theory and practice is granted to every man free of charge and remuneration, but heeded by few because the building appears as bad, little worth, old and well-known to the mind of the mob who are ever heedless and seekers after things new; but the building itself is so precious, so delicate, artistic and wonderful in its construction that no wealth, gold, jewel, money, goods, honour, authority or reputation in the whole world can be named which is not to be found in that high reputable palace in high degree.

"It is itself so strongly fortified by God and nature, and preserved against the onslaught of the ignorant, that even though all the mines, cannon, battering-rams and petards and such recently invented military devices were used against it all human endeavour and toil would be useless and in vain. This is the Collegium ad S.S. of the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, this is the royal, nay more than imperial palace of which the brethren in their "Fama" make mention, herein are hidden the inexpressible costly treasures and riches - let this be a sufficiently lucid account thereof.

"Oh how many men go unknowing and without understanding through all the rooms, all the secret hidden places of this palace, unseeing, uncomprehending, worse than a blind man, or as the saying goes, as a donkey on a bagpipe, because they have not been sufficiently prepared and made worthy. He who hath ears, let him hear."

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Ophiuchus is the ONLY sign which directly connects the "sun" to this realm, and therefore is THE sign in which arrives the end of the rule of the serpent, HENCE the serpent wrestler.

They HIDE this fact in hopes of changing the outcome, just like they obscure EVERYTHING which jeopardizes their rule.

That no longer matters, as they have already LOST!

Welcome to the new timeline. hf
 Quoting: Saxon (777)


exactly saxxon, and thank you very much for clarifying some things for me.

The 13th sign is the "reboot" command for the matrix. By keeping it safe and hidden, THEY have managed to hold the power of the 13th sign for themselves and they use it to reboot the matrix. But the tide is turning now as more and more people get hold of this power, that allows one to control reality.

Ophiuchus is a sun sign but it is not a part of the Zodiac. It is a precessional sign. But since Ophiuchus only shows up after the 12 signs are gone, it can be considered as the 13th sign, although not a Zodiac sign per se.

As Saxxon said, Ophiuchus is a link from this realm to a greater one, towards the central Sun. Ophiuchus carries the accumulated energies of all the Zodiac.