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ARCHEOLOGY
Aerial scanning reveals details of ancient sites
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:21 AM
By Bradley T. Lepper

New technologies seem to make almost everyone's job easier, and archeology is no exception. One of the newest and most exciting tools in the archaeologist's kit is aerial laser scanning, sometimes referred to as Light Detection And Ranging, or LiDAR. It works a bit like radar, but instead of using radio waves, it uses infrared laser pulses. The echoes can "see" through trees and shrubs, revealing the precise contours of the ground surface.

In the April issue of the Journal of Archaeological Science, University of Vienna archaeologist Michael Doneus and colleagues report the results of a LiDAR survey of the Iron Age hill fort of Purbach in eastern Austria.

They were able to map the earthwork in stunning detail, including shallow depressions caused by looting. They even found the remains of mounds less than 8 inches tall that "had been missed by the original trained surveyors in the field."

In Ohio, archaeologists William Romain and Jarrod Burks, with the support of Ohio State University's Newark Earthworks Center, are using LiDAR to study the remnants of the Newark Earthworks.

In two reports published online, they describe the earthworks and their topographic situation in unprecedented detail, permitting insights into how the earthworks and natural features combined to create a sacred landscape.

Also, Romain and Burks sought and discovered remnants of the so-called "Great Hopewell Road," which consisted of parallel walls of earth extending from Newark's Octagon Earthworks an undetermined distance to the southwest.

LiDAR data revealed the walls had been built by removing earth from the road's surface and piling it up on either side.

They conclude their paper with the observation that "although much of the Native American past has been built over and lost, much remains to be discovered."

LiDAR gives researchers a new tool for making those discoveries.
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Stuff like this is extremely cool and I was first motivated to get on the internet back in 2000 because I wanted to keep up with archaeological discoveries. That was the first thing that led me to sites like Rense and Cyberspace Orbit and eventually to GLP.

I got kind of frustrated because you hear little snippets of things but it seems there is never the in depth follow up, I also got sick of waiting for the other shoe to drop with all the different controversies around the Great Pyramid and the robots up the shafts, etc.

anyway this aerial and satellite reconnaissance is totally cool and I wish I knew a lot more about it and I sure wish they would apply it to the Sahara Desert as I am very curious if there are cities and road networks and dried up riverbeds buried under the sands there!
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yep i love archelogist... I visited many sites

4 years ago I dream we will discover something a day from my birthday (July 18) that definitely will change our concept about our past and our acceptance of extraterrestrial visitors in our past.
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That's cool you had a dream that there would be a big discovery. I wonder if it's true that they have discovered things and hushed them up, kept them secret, especially around the Pyramids and Sphinx?

Feru, have you read Peter Tompkins' book
"Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids"?

He's one of my favorite authors and wrote a great book about the Egyptian pyramids as well. The one about the Mexican pyramids isn't hard to find. It is so well illustrated and covers all the major sites, he gives accounts of each explorer who first visited the different ruins and what their theories were. I highly recommend it.

I have visited sites in the Yucatan, I went to Chichen Itza and Uxmal. I really liked Uxmal a lot, I have been there twice. I felt a strong presence in one particular spot there both times.

I have been to Macchu Picchu as well and hiked the Inca trail there through ruins all the way there.

In England I went to Avebury, Stonehenge, Silbury Hill, and other nearby sites like Glastonbury Tor, etc.

You were posting on another thread about wanting to get out of Mexico City but having to stay because of your elderly parents. If you could go anywhere right now, where would you go?
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Feru, have you read Peter Tompkins' book
"Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids"?

I have visited sites in the Yucatan, I went to Chichen Itza and Uxmal. I really liked Uxmal a lot, I have been there twice. I felt a strong presence in one particular spot there both times.

I have been to Macchu Picchu as well and hiked the Inca trail there through ruins all the way there.

In England I went to Avebury, Stonehenge, Silbury Hill, and other nearby sites like Glastonbury Tor, etc.

You were posting on another thread about wanting to get out of Mexico City but having to stay because of your elderly parents. If you could go anywhere right now, where would you go?
 Quoting: mercury2


Cool you have visited all those sites, is almost like travel in to the time when you are there is in it? I hope i can visit , Egypt pyramids and Stonehenge before my time to leave.

I will look for the book next time I visit NY.

There are some places here in Central Mexico, with nice weather, plenty of water and out of the seismic area.
And are also anunnakie land. Like Yautepec, Amatlan, Tula, Tepoztlan etc. All those are special places...almost like sacred land.

If any of you want to invest... Mexico still very cheap... you just need to know where.
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Stupid and meaningless.
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Are you trying to insinuate pilots are being flashed with lasers by aerial lidar?
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Are you trying to insinuate pilots are being flashed with lasers by aerial lidar?
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maybe they are not good yet at aiming
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You will be amazed when they discover the "history of the world" that I hid under the paws of the Sphinx before the great deluge. I was the equivalent of a librarian then. I'm so happy to see people in this age taking an interest in their history.
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M2

ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PROGRAMS I SAW WAS CALLED THE "BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA"

WHY WAS IT AMAZING , BECAUSE WHAT IT DISCUSSED AND SHOWED.


BLACK MUMMY

1. EARLIEST MUMMY FOUND

2. ROCK ART DATED TO 10,500 BC

SHOWING MILKING COWS, HIPPOS, CROCS ETC

THIS LEAD THEM TO RESEARCH GROUND PENETRATING RADAR OF SHARA.

THEY FOUND

ANCIENT LAKES AND RIVERS, FLOWING WEST TO EAST, EMPTY INTO NILE. INDEED LANDSCAPE WAS EQUITORIAL.

THEY THEN REFERRED TO A POLE SHIFT, THAT MOVED THE EQUATOR AND DRIED THE LAND, FORCING THE PEOPLE TO MIGRATE TO THE NILE VALLEY.

IDEED 10,500 BC, GIZA MARKS BOTH THE OLD EQUATOR AND THE PRIME MERIDIAN. (BESIDES OTHER THINGS)

GL
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IDEED 10,500 BC, GIZA MARKS BOTH THE OLD EQUATOR AND THE PRIME MERIDIAN. (BESIDES OTHER THINGS)


very interesting... I watch a documentary long..long ago where they say is a mark on the sphinx neck that shows it was under water for some time (A monstrous flood)


we changing poles again...
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Grey Lensman, that "Black Mummy of Libya" program sounds fantastic. I have tried to find out information about ground penetrating radar in the Sahara but didn't have much luck. That black mummy of Libya might be a phrase to search on in the morning.

Feru, it is cool that you know where the good places are in Mexico. That makes a person think of all the possibilities! I am so oriented to the North and spend as much time as I can in Canada for a long time now. But if I was ever to start thinking about Mexico instead, it's nice to know there's someone with hints on where to go. Wonder what other GLPers think of the places Feru mentioned? I love the Yucatan but I hear it is very different from the rest of Mexico?

Feru I hope you get to go to Stonehenge and the Pyramids in this lifetime. When I was a kid I was completely fascinated with Ancient Egypt. I seriously wonder if a whole lot of us that are alive now aren't reincarnated here together who were also all together in Ancient Egypt.
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<I seriously wonder if a whole lot of us that are alive now aren't reincarnated here together who were also all together in Ancient Egypt.>
I agree with you mercury2. I just got back from Yuccatan Penn. in Mexico. We did the Chichen Itza tour. It really is incredible, but the ruins were not old enough for me. I have different "memories". Half of the place was still not excavated! The entire Mayaland sits on a limestone platform! There are ruins thoughout the little towns. The problem is when you go with a tour group you only have 1 hour to explore and take you pictures before it is time to leave. That is not enough time as the ruins are spread out and over half the time is spent walking from ruin to ruin! I really would have loved to be there on the 23th as that is when the SNAKE appears down the main pyramid! We are already planning on going back if the economy does not crash.
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M2

LITTLE TIME BUT

DISCOVERY SCIENCE

"THE MYSTERY OF THE BLACK MUMMY"

NO OTHER DATA OR PROGRAM RECORDS

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

GL
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M2

LITTLE TIME BUT

DISCOVERY SCIENCE

"THE MYSTERY OF THE BLACK MUMMY"

NO OTHER DATA OR PROGRAM RECORDS

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 395542

No other data or program records, huh? Man I guess a while back I had to quell my curiosity about the Egyptian past and the ancient civilizations that preceded it. The information just isn't coming out fast enough and if you sit on the edge of your chair waiting for the curtain to be lifted, you could die of anticipation before you get one crumb from their table LOL.
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SHOWING MILKING COWS, HIPPOS, CROCS ETC


GL
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Now it would take a brave soul to milk a Croc ...Crikeys !!!
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ARCHEOLOGY
Aerial scanning reveals details of ancient sites
Tuesday, March 18, 2008 6:21 AM
By Bradley T. Lepper

New technologies seem to make almost everyone's job easier, and archeology is no exception. One of the newest and most exciting tools in the archaeologist's kit is aerial laser scanning, sometimes referred to as Light Detection And Ranging, or LiDAR. It works a bit like radar, but instead of using radio waves, it uses infrared laser pulses. The echoes can "see" through trees and shrubs, revealing the precise contours of the ground surface.
 Quoting: fërú.


LiDAR also has the ability to "look" at clouds and determine their composition, similar to the way that spectro-analysis can "look" at stars and determine their chemical makeup.

With LiDAR, an investigator can determine whether a cloud consists of water and/or ice, whether there are industrial or other pollutants in the cloud, and even what those pollutants are.

LiDAR would be an excellent way for those people who believe aircraft contrails are part of a Huge Secret Plot to examine those contrails and show us all exactly what sort of anomalous chemicals or particles are in them.

I have been suggesting the use of LiDAR to these "chem-trail" believers for over five years now, telling them that the use of this technology would prove (or disprove) their case once and for all.

For some reason, none of the "chem-trail" researchers have actually tried this approach, which would certainly be a lot less expensive that renting an aircraft and physically acquiring contrail contents in situ.

I wonder why that is?
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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I always did find it kind of hard to revel in my older sites... Thanks science!
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ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PROGRAMS I SAW WAS CALLED THE "BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA"

IDEED 10,500 BC, GIZA MARKS BOTH THE OLD EQUATOR AND THE PRIME MERIDIAN. (BESIDES OTHER THINGS)
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN 394714


Of course, you have a link that you'd be glad to share with us, n'est-ce pas?
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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I have visited sites in the Yucatan, I went to Chichen Itza and Uxmal. I really liked Uxmal a lot, I have been there twice. I felt a strong presence in one particular spot there both times.

I have been to Macchu Picchu as well and hiked the Inca trail there through ruins all the way there.

In England I went to Avebury, Stonehenge, Silbury Hill, and other nearby sites like Glastonbury Tor, etc.
 Quoting: mercury2


My man!

I have been to the YP on several occasions (Mexico, Belize, and Guatemala, and had a chance to visit some of the places you did (but never Tikal-dang!). I did visit Teotihuacan north of D.F. and a bunch of Southwest US (Arizona, NM) ruins, but have never been to Macchu Picchu or anyplace in Europe.

I did visit Nan Madol in Ponape as a kid and again in 2006. Have you ever heard of that?

If you're interested in some pictures, let me know....
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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[link to home.hiwaay.net]


[link to www.imdb.com]

GL
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I have visited sites in the Yucatan, I went to Chichen Itza and Uxmal. I really liked Uxmal a lot, I have been there twice. I felt a strong presence in one particular spot there both times.

I have been to Macchu Picchu as well and hiked the Inca trail there through ruins all the way there.

In England I went to Avebury, Stonehenge, Silbury Hill, and other nearby sites like Glastonbury Tor, etc.

My man!

I have been to the YP on several occasions (Mexico, Belize, and Guatemala, and had a chance to visit some of the places you did (but never Tikal-dang!). I did visit Teotihuacan north of D.F. and a bunch of Southwest US (Arizona, NM) ruins, but have never been to Macchu Picchu or anyplace in Europe.

I did visit Nan Madol in Ponape as a kid and again in 2006. Have you ever heard of that?

If you're interested in some pictures, let me know....
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz

Dearest Duncan,
Dude I am a GIRL lol. none of this "my man" stuff :-)

Did you go to Palenque? I had an ex who went there several times. I have heard of Nan Madol, and seen pictures, what a weird place eh? You were just there? That must have been great. It was in James Churchward's books and then David Hatcher Childress has written about it and re-published one of the major books about it through his Adventures Unlimited Press.
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archaeologist's new tool: aerial laser scanning, makes easier to revel caches of food and weapons
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Does this technology have any application for underwater exploration? My guess is no, but is anyone familiar with that?
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there is a huge conspiracy to manipulate the result of every discovery of archeology ... for example in Palenque we have the tomb of an ancient astronaut... legends and even the engravement of the tomb tell a story of a guy piloting a flying machine... but officially is just some priest or king in his throne...

why they keep ignoring the similarities between the sites of the Mayan, the Inca and the Sumerians and Egypt?

Right now in Mexico city we have an exposition of ISIS and the feather Serpent...
Why they mention a flying Serpent everywhere?
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laser adds light to the object being observed... filters.. hence same as solarization of photography.. etc.. shows what is hidden .. add light and voila.. even different colored lights..
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Hey feru, lots of cheap copies at Amazon of that great book
"Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids" by Peter Tompkins.

[link to www.amazon.com]

Highly recommended. Peter Tompkins is a great writer and really covers the fringe of science and history. You would love this book if only for the great illustrations.
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M2

ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING PROGRAMS I SAW WAS CALLED THE "BLACK MUMMY OF LIBYA"

WHY WAS IT AMAZING , BECAUSE WHAT IT DISCUSSED AND SHOWED.


BLACK MUMMY

1. EARLIEST MUMMY FOUND

2. ROCK ART DATED TO 10,500 BC

SHOWING MILKING COWS, HIPPOS, CROCS ETC

THIS LEAD THEM TO RESEARCH GROUND PENETRATING RADAR OF SHARA.

THEY FOUND

ANCIENT LAKES AND RIVERS, FLOWING WEST TO EAST, EMPTY INTO NILE. INDEED LANDSCAPE WAS EQUITORIAL.

THEY THEN REFERRED TO A POLE SHIFT, THAT MOVED THE EQUATOR AND DRIED THE LAND, FORCING THE PEOPLE TO MIGRATE TO THE NILE VALLEY.

IDEED 10,500 BC, GIZA MARKS BOTH THE OLD EQUATOR AND THE PRIME MERIDIAN. (BESIDES OTHER THINGS)

Indeed... the Sphinx sat on the waterfront, during my time there as librarian. There was a beutiful prominade from there to the Great Pyramid. It was a better time, until the great war and the deluge. The Sphinx is older than you now know.

GL
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I interviewed an archeologist at the University of Alabama in Birmingham who has done a lot of work refining techniques to use satellite imaging to detect likely archeological sites in Egypt. She told me there are far more of them that are unexplored than have been explored.

She is also helping the public health researchers use the technique for detecting mosquito breeding grounds in Kenya and even checking air quality on a block by block basis downtown to correlate with an asthma study of school children. If a kid has an asthma attack, they can check and see what the air was like on their street that day.

Really cool technology.

The strategy she is using in the archeological study is looking for increased organic matter in settlement areas because where people have lived usually has more organic matter than the surrounding desert, and that holds more water for longer, which is detectable as color changes in satellite images.
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The technology of LiDAR is going to revolutionize the entire world in new ways than never before.

Right??