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Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)

 
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Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
The more I think about it, I see so many parallels of the old Willy Wonka movie to what God and Satan are like, and the way people interact with it.

Pure Imagination

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttAqyjbSujc

Slugworth (SATAN)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxfqBcURZBE

Charlie Passing The Test at The End

[link to www.youtube.com]

Another part:

[link to www.youtube.com]

**Note: this is a VERY IMPERFECT portrait of the VERY PERFECT Gospel and GOD we serve, but I can see the imperfect parallels....**


1. Willy Wonka represents God.
2. Slugworth represents Satan.
3. Charlie represents an "elect" person that God will save.
4. The other kids represent various children of disobedience.
5. The Golden Ticket is a pass into this world with a chance at salvation.
6. The Chocolate Factory represents this world with all it's temptations.
7. All the kids including Charlie are required to sign the "contract". The "contract" is the "law of God".
8. The Everlasting-Gobstopper represents the ability to "satisfy" yourself with worldly things. In some way, I guess it could be the "flesh" or your "will".
9. Everyone of them were "visited" and "tempted" by Slugworth (Satan) with money and all that it can bring. If they would just "sell-out" and give him the gobstopper.... they could get what they wanted in the "flesh".... for Charlie, that would have meant even escaping the poverty... not just for him, but more importantly for his family. So that was even a double temptation.

With that said.....

When the kids disobey and break the "law"... Willie looks as if he doesn't care. This is prolly an allusion to people's attitude about how they think God is when disasters take place. "Why does God allow suffering... He must not care....."

All of them break the "law" and do not deserve to "win".... but the whole thing is a "test". Willie KNEW they would all give in and break one of the "laws". He KNEW it.

All the kids got sucked in by their indulgences and lack of SELF-control. For Augustus, it was his eating. For Mike TV it was his trying to show off and be a show-man. For Veronica it was that she was into gum and just "had" to try the newest thing. And so on.....

He brought them into this state of "guilt" to see who would "STILL" give up their everlasting gobstopper even in the face of being guilty and all being lost.

Just like most people in the real world, when faced with their guilt... they get ANGRY at God and then go off with their "gobstopper"....

But some..... know in their hearts that God is righteous in His assessment of them and give back their "gobstopper" so to speak....

It is this "humility" and refusal to "sell-out" to Satan/Slugworth and to give back what is rightfully God's anyway.... even in the face of all being lost......

..... that is when God changes His countenance from wrath to GRACE!!!

The whole Gospel is summed up in "God opposes the proud, but gives GRACE to the HUMBLE!"

Now.... I realize this movie is imperfect. It could be said that it teaches a semi-works based message and such. You could say that it's maybe portraying that we get the whole world back and that we can do all the things that once were previously considered "sins"....

You could say that maybe it portrays Satan as a reliable servant of God that was only playing a "role" and that God is telling a "white lie" to us about Satan and all that.
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
wow, I think this is a really good analysis.
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Do you see who has the reigns now OP?

I have been telling you of me for all this week.

My stories are littered in Hollywood but you have watched them for entertainment instead of the underlying messages.

The government also is in my domain and I am telling my higher self to allow it to devour its tail.
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
I agree a good analysis. But, you could do the same with every story ever told. What is happening here is that the OP is in the middle of a spititual growth spurt, and wanted to share...
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
bump for effort.
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You could say that maybe it portrays Satan as a reliable servant of God that was only playing a "role" and that God is telling a "white lie" to us about Satan and all that.
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I have always thought it was a very spiritual movie. Purity of heart and imagination are all you need to be in the Kingdom of God and sin isn't about "doing evil"- it's about separating yourself from God. But God's always there waiting for you to return.
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
You could say that maybe it portrays Satan as a reliable servant of God that was only playing a "role" and that God is telling a "white lie" to us about Satan and all that.

I have always thought it was a very spiritual movie. Purity of heart and imagination are all you need to be in the Kingdom of God and sin isn't about "doing evil"- it's about separating yourself from God. But God's always there waiting for you to return.
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So the 10 commandments are bullshit? That means you invalidate part of the scripture and thus believe that god is fallible (since he clearly wrote the bible *cough*).
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I just saw a musical version of WW and there was a guy in the audience wearing a t-shirt that said "what part of 'thou shalt not' don't you understand?"

so maybe the OP is onto something here.

But others have suggested that WW represents Satan and that the factory = hell where the oompa loompas toil endlessly. Chocolate could represent feces and all that's foul on earth but that we think is gold. Charlie is no saint -- he takes the fizzie juice that makes him and his grandpa float up toward heaven, where they will be chopped to bits by the fan until the start burping their way back to earth.

Wonka hates people, and is glad when the disobedient ones die. But he's giving his "factory" to Charlie, so how evil is he? Charlie has the chance to usher in a new order, but he won't. He'll be the same oppressor of oompa-loompas as Wonka. That's the circle of life, kids.

What a dismal tale for children.
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What a dismal tale for children.
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You mean the Bible or Willie Wonka?
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you americans should get out more often and see some real good eastern european movies...
reality check perhaps?
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I just saw a musical version of WW and there was a guy in the audience wearing a t-shirt that said "what part of 'thou shalt not' don't you understand?"

so maybe the OP is onto something here.

But others have suggested that WW represents Satan and that the factory = hell where the oompa loompas toil endlessly. Chocolate could represent feces and all that's foul on earth but that we think is gold. Charlie is no saint -- he takes the fizzie juice that makes him and his grandpa float up toward heaven, where they will be chopped to bits by the fan until the start burping their way back to earth.

Wonka hates people, and is glad when the disobedient ones die. But he's giving his "factory" to Charlie, so how evil is he? Charlie has the chance to usher in a new order, but he won't. He'll be the same oppressor of oompa-loompas as Wonka. That's the circle of life, kids.

What a dismal tale for children.
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That is why they made the 2nd Willy Wonka a couple of years ago. It distorts the message of the first one. The newer Willy Wonka is actually very much liked by Marilyn Manson.
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
I can't recall the ending but don't they head for the heavens in a hot air balloon?

Good VS evil: the old, old, old story.

Great observation, OP.

The Cindrella story hit me the same way not long ago - - I posted a thread here at godlike if you're interested.



As for WW, free will = choice.

Choose now Whom you will serve.


You gotta serve somebody (quoting Bob Dylan).
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
I can't recall the ending but don't they head for the heavens in a hot air balloon?

Good VS evil: the old, old, old story.

Great observation, OP.

The Cindrella story hit me the same way not long ago - - I posted a thread here at godlike if you're interested.



As for WW, free will = choice.

Choose now Whom you will serve.


You gotta serve somebody (quoting Bob Dylan).
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
you americans should get out more often and see some real good eastern european movies...
reality check perhaps?
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Are you saying we are in the matrix and you are not? :)
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
you americans should get out more often and see some real good eastern european movies...
reality check perhaps?
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and you euroes better not call us when your getting punked again
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
But Slugworth worked for Willy Wonka. He was sent out complete with competing business front to tempt and ultimately help weed out the "bad eggs". If anything, I'd say Wonka himself was satan and he gave all of the would-be sinners the chance, choice and means to destory themselves so that he might find the purest heart in which to instill the blackest evil.
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
But Slugworth worked for Willy Wonka. He was sent out complete with competing business front to tempt and ultimately help weed out the "bad eggs". If anything, I'd say Wonka himself was satan and he gave all of the would-be sinners the chance, choice and means to destory themselves so that he might find the purest heart in which to instill the blackest evil.
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Yeah, but his grandfather came along with him, as well, his family. So it wasn't just Charlie. Basically Charlie, found the truth. He gave the everlasting gobstopper back to Wonka, and thus he won! Slugworth all along was a good guy.
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
Interesting interpretation. I think the many of our most appealing and timeless stories can be understood as spiritual allegory. Just a few of the more recent:

Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass
The Wonderful Wizard of Oz
Peter Pan
The Lord of the Rings trilogy (of course)

What meaning we find speaks as much about ourselves as about the authors, if not more!
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What meaning we find speaks as much about ourselves as about the authors, if not more!
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That is, sometimes we should be more concerned with our interpretation than what we believe to be the author's 'intent' or 'meaning'
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
Oh wow, I came up with more information on this movie last night. Enki was talking to us in this movie. :) :hf:
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
My friends an i were just having a religious discussion and i brought up an old theory i have had for a while about willy wonka and how i believe that it is possible that the devil actually works for god to tempt people to test them. So i decided to look up if anyone else had this theory and you do! so thank you!
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God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?

(Numbers 23:19)
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Re: Willy Wonka (Bible, God, Satan)
My friends an i were just having a religious discussion and i brought up an old theory i have had for a while about willy wonka and how i believe that it is possible that the devil actually works for god to tempt people to test them. So i decided to look up if anyone else had this theory and you do! so thank you!
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satan is not working for god
god is using him

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