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I WAS A TANTRIC SEX SLAVE FOR A SENIOR TIBETAN BUDDHIST MONK

 
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With her book, Traveller in Space: In Search of Female Identity in Tibetan Buddhism, the Scottish philosopher of religion, June Campbell, opened the floodgates for an honest and sound debate about Tantric Buddhism. She worked as a translator for Tibetan lamas, including Kalu Rinpoche, whose "secret sexual consort" she became. Here we reproduce an article about her from the Independent.

The Independent - 10. February 1999 - Paul Vallely

I was a Tantric sex slave

For years June Campbell was the`consort`of a senior Tibetan Buddhist monk. She was threatened with death if she broke her vow of secrecy. But then enlightenment can be like that.

Feet of clay? No, it was a different part of the anatomy - and of all too fleshly substance - which caused the trouble. But, I suppose, you don`t expect Tantric sex to be a straightforward activity. Then again, sex of any kind isn`t really what you`re planning when you become a celibate nun.

It was, said June Campbell as she began her lecture, only the second time she had been asked to give a talk to a Buddhist group in this country since her book. Traveller in Space came out three years ago. Small wonder. The topic of her talk was "Dissent in Spiritual Communities", and you don`t get much more potent types of dissent than hers. For she not only revealed that she had for years been the secret sexual consort of one of the most holy monks in Tibetan Buddhism - the tulku (re-incarnated lama), Kalu Rinpoche. She also insisted that the abuse of power at the heart of the relationship exposed a flaw at the very heart of Tibetan Buddhism.

This was heresy , indeed. To outsiders, the Rinpoche was one of the most revered yogi-lamas in exile outside Tibet. As abbot of his own monastery, he had taken vows of celibacy and was celebrated for having spent 14 years in solitary retreat. Among his students were the highest ranking lamas in Tibet. "His own status, was unquestioned in the Tibetan community", said Ms. Campbell, "and his holiness attested to by all".

The inner circles of the world of Tibetan Buddhism - for all ist spread in fashionable circles in the West - is a closed and tight one. Her claims, though made in a restrained way in the context of a deeply academic book subtitled - "In Search of Female Identity in Tibetan Buddhism" - provoked what she described as a primitive outpouring of rage and fury. "I was reviled as a liar or a demon", she said during a public lecture last week at the nonsectarian College for Buddhist Studies in Sharpham, Devon. "In that world he was a saintly figure. It was like claiming that Mother Teresa was involved in making porn movies".

But it was not fear of the response which made her wait a full 18 years before publishing her revelations in a volume entitled Traveller in Space - a translation of dakini, the rather poetic Tibetan word for a woman used by a lama for sex. It took her that long to get over the trauma of the experience. "I spent 11 years without talking about it and then, when I had decided to write about it, another seven years researching. I wanted to weave together my personal experience with a more theoretical understanding of the role of women in Tibetan society to help me make sense of what had happened to me."

What happened was that , having become a Buddhist in her native Scotland in the hippie Sixties, she travelled to India where she became a nun. She spent 10 years in a Tibetan monastery and penetrated more deeply than any other Westerner into the faith`s esoteric hierarchy. Eventually she became personal translator to the guru as, during the Seventies, he travelled through Europe and America. It was after that, she said, that "he requested that I become his sexual consort and take part in secret activities with him".

Only one other person knew of the relationship - a second monk - with whom she took part in what she described as a polyandrous Tibetanstyle relationship. "It was some years before I realised that the extent to which I had been taken advantage of constituted a kind of abuse".

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So>? How vas it?
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"Once I started unravelling my experiences, I began to question everything," she said. That meant not just the actions of a particular guru But the very idea of the guru.

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Right wing femme thought she could sneak out with the "secrets", when that didn't work she made a vain attempt to stick it up the Tibetans, just another frigid post menopausal angry woman.
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I 'chose' to be a tantric sex slave.
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yeah...the wording in the article is that the monk "requested" that she be his consort. slaves typically aren't made requests of, they are ordered.

secondly, the description of tantric sex in the article seems to be farely in line with all i've ever heard about the devine feminine. wherein much more power is given to the female than is typically attributed in western society. otherwise, why would the male want to absorb female sexual secretions? in a way, it sounds as though she was put on a very high pedastal (spelling?).

as far as secrets go...yeah, the monks probably aren't too crazy for this kind of stuff to get out. just like TPTB aren't too crazy about their secrets getting out. secrets are a source of power. power is a desirable thing for humans. that is a characteristic that you're going to be hard pressed to suppress in anyone, whether you're a buddhist monk or GWB. speaking of power, people who are threatened are the ones who impower the threatener. if he didn't think he could get away with it, he probably would have "asked" someone else to be his f*ck buddy.

so basically what i'm getting at here is...who gives a flying f*ck? sounds like more of the same to me.

peace

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Oh, what a confused woman! She is obviously unable to rid herself of her brainwashed Western/Christian concept of sex - that it is for procreation and for bonding the relationship. Does she still not understand YET that the higher levels of practise in Tantric yoga require the yogi to have a yogini to provide the Yin element to his Yang sexual energies and vice versa? The vow of celibacy in such a tradition means that the monk/nun will not fornicate with a woman/man for pleasure or become married for the purpose of procreation. Unlike in the Christian tradition for monks and nuns, it does NOT mean that one cannot have sex at all. Indeed, the higher practices of Tantric yoga require the man or woman to have a sexual partner. He or she does not have to be married to them because - and this is the hard part for Westerners to understand - the highest form of sex transcends romance, love or purely sensual excitement because it is about releasing Kundalini energy in the union of Shiva and Shakti energies in order to transform consciousness. Yes, there IS a problem of women having a lower status in Tibetan society, and no doubt she now feels she was used. But, evidently achieving spiritual perfection was never on HER mind. She liked the power and social status that being the consort of a high lama gave her. Then she got a shock when she was told her services were no longer needed. She reacted with the anger of a scorned wife instead of with the spiritual understanding that sexual consorts are not required to be permanent in the Tantric tradition because the relationship is not that of a husband and wife but of two aspirants to spiritual perfection. That, evidently was not her motive, so now she is left feeling exploited and accusing lamas of being hypocrites, etc. This is ridiculous and shows her spiritual immaturity. "Slave"? Hardly! She agreed to being a dakini for a Tantric Buddhist. I bet she would not now be writing a book if the lama had given her a few thousand dollars as a leaving present.
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uh, she needed to stop spreading her legs these monks couldn't resist you know
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To drive the semen up the spine and into the head... ok. I shoot semen in the girls hair I think that counts.

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Imagine that! I was, too!
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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wow

to avoid reincarnation
don't get "entwined" or procreate

where would we all be if everyone practiced same?
non existant

Isn't it funny, in a way, so to speak, no pun intended /sarcasm
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And she loved every single second of it!!! 5a
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where would we all be if everyone practiced same?
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At peace?
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UUhhmm. I'm confused. He requested. She chose.

The description of tantric sex sounds like the woman has a while lot of orgasms. What's the prob? Sounds fun. Tiring, but fun.
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Well, that takes the award for Bizarre Thread Title of the Day :D

Coming soon...'I Was a Teenage Werewolf Sex Slave For A Minor Bush Administration Official'.
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Good thread. I wonder how closely her experiences mirror that of french chic-explorer Alexandra David-Neel [link to www.mysteriouspeople.com]

The Buddha himself came from a royal family, a culture of every conceivable excess. I think people mistakingly imagine that enlightenment involves an altered state of consciousness, but the Buddha was obviously born with the kind of consciousness that most religious seekers pursue, yet he was not enlightened. His achievement of enlightenment involved the understanding between cause and effect, in my opinion, an empirical investigation into how our behavior has a direct but remote influence on other completely innocent people.

So the Buddha should be regarded as a kind of moral scientist, perhaps a bit like Immanuel Kant, and not someone who can provide answers to existential problems like mortality or ultimate meaning, answers that no sincere person has ever likely had.
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June Campbell probably went into this spiritual pursuit with the goal of satisfying existential issues of personal security over morality, weakness, and ignorance, but at the end of her journey what does she discover? There are only relations of power and systems of moral rules to navigate living with the powerful. What a letdown! Yet that's all that religion can offer if you think about it. Those who claim to understand the ultimate questions are very dubious, maybe bat-shit crazy even. All we can do is try to create a society that fulfills people where some justice tends to prevail.
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British Royal Geographic Society explorers probably 'summited' Tibetan culture before other europeans and saw there a miniature and pristine feudal society they could place under a bell jar and display to the rest of high society like a living museum exhibit.

Maybe that's one of the reasons why China felt the need to capture and repress the area.

Now the Dalai Llama shuffles around New York City eating at restaurants like the incredible shrinking buddha.
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i only posted this to show that people are people. they fuck and threaten if exposed from their holier than thou perch. it's pure bullshit.
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Tantric sex will leave you blocked up...
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i only posted this to show that people are people. they fuck and threaten if exposed from their holier than thou perch. it's pure bullshit.
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everybody sez "ooooh! they're so holy!! no wrong can be committed!!" horseshit. wake up to humanity. learn something.
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what a complete load of contrived utter horseshit tripe designed for shock factor to sell a few more of her unrevealing books on nothing



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UUhhmm. I'm confused. He requested. She chose.

The description of tantric sex sounds like the woman has a while lot of orgasms. What's the prob? Sounds fun. Tiring, but fun.
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Not tiring at all, Tantric couplings have lasted for days.
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UUhhmm. I'm confused. He requested. She chose.

The description of tantric sex sounds like the woman has a while lot of orgasms. What's the prob? Sounds fun. Tiring, but fun.


Not tiring at all, Tantric couplings have lasted for days.
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Wake me up when we are done. LOL
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She then asked them how it relates to the fact that there are no female Buddha images or to why in Tantric sex images the woman always has her back to the viewer, or to why Buddhist women are told to pray that they will be reborn into a male body in their next life -for only in a man`s body can they attain full enlightenment.

I have also looked for female images and depictions of the highest state. This is important, it is a very sublilminal message and if there was true partnership in tantra it would be there. I have seen only one image of the tantric pair in which the female was facing the viewer. The Tantric pairing is very powerful for both, but I agree with her that there is an implication that for the man to share his juices with a woman weakens him, especially among people who don't understand too well. In the realm of ideas there is not a symmetry and mutuality between two equal but different powers.

The secrecy thing is a dead giveaway that the female contribution to divine consciousness is not honoured, because she would have to be as enlightened as him to fully participate in a divine rite, and not a lesser force. The lower ratio of nuns and taking away the child so young also is a hostile act towards the innate power of female, it makes it an absence, a deprivation, rather than an inclusion and enrichment. If women are so valued in religion they would be valued in secular living, it would spill over. Much as I dislike the Roman Catholic male hierarchy, I do like Mother Mary as a divine interlocutor, and honoured for her mother being. No other Christian religion does that.

Women have to take charge of finding their own root force and divinity and defining and practicing it, with the male side.
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"Right wing femme thought she could sneak out with the "secrets", when that didn't work she made a vain attempt to stick it up the Tibetans, just another frigid post menopausal angry woman."

This poster is sad. I bet he does not have a good relationship with any female -- maybe his mum because of the divine maternal giver
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new age porn
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rofl
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HENSE, THE AXIOM,

POWER CORRUPTS.
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Oh, what a confused woman! She is obviously unable to rid herself of her brainwashed Western/Christian concept of sex - that it is for procreation and for bonding the relationship. Does she still not understand YET that the higher levels of practise in Tantric yoga require the yogi to have a yogini to provide the Yin element to his Yang sexual energies and vice versa? The vow of celibacy in such a tradition means that the monk/nun will not fornicate with a woman/man for pleasure or become married for the purpose of procreation. Unlike in the Christian tradition for monks and nuns, it does NOT mean that one cannot have sex at all. Indeed, the higher practices of Tantric yoga require the man or woman to have a sexual partner. He or she does not have to be married to them because - and this is the hard part for Westerners to understand - the highest form of sex transcends romance, love or purely sensual excitement because it is about releasing Kundalini energy in the union of Shiva and Shakti energies in order to transform consciousness. Yes, there IS a problem of women having a lower status in Tibetan society, and no doubt she now feels she was used. But, evidently achieving spiritual perfection was never on HER mind. She liked the power and social status that being the consort of a high lama gave her. Then she got a shock when she was told her services were no longer needed. She reacted with the anger of a scorned wife instead of with the spiritual understanding that sexual consorts are not required to be permanent in the Tantric tradition because the relationship is not that of a husband and wife but of two aspirants to spiritual perfection. That, evidently was not her motive, so now she is left feeling exploited and accusing lamas of being hypocrites, etc. This is ridiculous and shows her spiritual immaturity. "Slave"? Hardly! She agreed to being a dakini for a Tantric Buddhist. I bet she would not now be writing a book if the lama had given her a few thousand dollars as a leaving present.
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ouch.....

Perhaps he promised her enlightenment?

Desire always brings its downfall.

Making love is not meant to be an after dinner mint it is meant to be a feast of the sacred union of the divine. Without the state of being divine love one can pollute the temple of the other. Doesn't sound like love was part of the relationship nor was giving but taking. Perhaps you might like to consider whether it was a fair exchange or whether she was misled in some way.

The experience she describes is well known by Tao Masters and there are female Tao Masters that have at least two sexual partners. 3,500+ years ago it was considered that sexuality was the way to immortality. Sad, they did not realise that we are already immortal. However, the female Tao Masters had other uses for the semen and believe that it keeps their skin, hair and bodies young, healthy and beautiful. There certainly are good proteins in semen that are for assisting the female body to stay healthy. Doesn't sound like the author got much of anything.

Life is give and take, share, serve and be served.

Life is about relationship with self, others and all sentient beings.

People never were meant to be celibate for many years at a time.

It sounds like the author has broken free for her own good and that is probably exactly what she was meant to do. Break the karmic cycle of male domination.

Hope to see a lot more people breaking the cycle.

People are not a commodity without love they become so.

Those that betray their own souls are called cortesans by the divine.

His blackmail of her does not bode well for the sanctity of himself or his own karma.


This story reminds me of why Jesus rebuked the Apostles for getting drunk on love and his energy. When people get drunk on spiritual energy they can lose rationality, reason and the moral compass.


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A couple of good posts here. Lotus and one or two others. Also a lot of shallow knee-jerk responses and people who like to see their name up but are not really trying for much real communication about the issue.

I think the claim to be a sex slave was done as the title of the article which was about June Campbell. The excerpts that I have seen of her book do not use the language of yellow journalism at all.

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