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Proof Of Planet X's 3600 Year Cycle Lay Within Ice Cores and Tree Rings!!

 
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Proof Of Planet X's 3600 Year Cycle Lay Within Ice Cores and Tree Rings!!
The tree rings and ice cores shows that every 3600 years there has been a climatic upheaval caused by something enormous.

Same time table as that produced by Sitchin and his work concerning Planet X...

"What is clear is that whatever comes at 3600 year intervals as shown by the ice cores, is capable of setting off prolonged periods of earth changes that are above the levels of ordinary uniformitarian geologic and climatalogical changes".

Complete article here:
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See if you can find anything that agrees with that on a real science site...not one that pushes the planet x hoax.
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See if you can find anything that agrees with that on a real science site...not one that pushes the planet x hoax.
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You and I both know who controls the real science...Just ask all the dead micro-biologists...

Need I say more?



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the X cycle is very interesting isn't it?
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Thank you for this HT - makes for interesting reading.

Our 'gods' were able to mate and have offspring with humans and the offspring were able to mate and also have offspring with humans and 'gods' so I must consider them to be one species.

It is apparent that the Earth has undergone many cataclysms in the past - and by inference will do so in the future - this presents a theory as to the cause.
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the X cycle is very interesting isn't it?
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Yes it is...
Damn near like clockwork...
You would think it should have stopped or slowed down by now..


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Thank you for this HT - makes for interesting reading.

Our 'gods' were able to mate and have offspring with humans and the offspring were able to mate and also have offspring with humans and 'gods' so I must consider them to be one species.

It is apparent that the Earth has undergone many cataclysms in the past - and by inference will do so in the future - this presents a theory as to the cause.
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Very true...
Even horses and donkeys are close, but yet the hybrid/offspring between the two is sterile...



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as long as my wacky tabaccy fields will survive I will be ok.
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yes

every 3600 years , like clock work .

it was in my grand kids text book .

when the PX thing started to be talked about 7 or 8 years

ago, she came up to me and showed me her book . plane as day ,
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The tree rings and ice cores shows that every 3600 years there has been a climatic upheaval caused by something enormous.
 Quoting: HardTruth

I didn't see anything in that article which talks about ice-core and dendrochronology evidence; most of the stuff was about a "stargate conspiracy" and other stuff.

The article does quote Immanuel Velikovsky, (whose knowledge of any science other than psychiatry leaves much to be desired), and then says:

He settled on a date of 1450 BC, but more recent scientific evidence points to the date actually being 1628 BC. There is also evidence for a disruption circa 5200 BC, 8,800 BC, 12,400 BC, 16,000 BC, 19,600 BC, and by logical extension every 3,600 years previously for an indefinite and unknown period of time. What is more, if the last "return" was in 1628 BC, we are not just due, we are overdue for the next one.

But the author provides no citations whatsoever to support this assertion. I am not aware of any correlative data for this cycle. I admit that there may be ice-core studies which go back that far, but I am not aware of any accurate dendrochreonology dating going past, at most, a millennium.

Where is your evidence correlating dendrochronology and ice-core evidence to a 3600-year cycle?
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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The tree rings and ice cores shows that every 3600 years there has been a climatic upheaval caused by something enormous.
I didn't see anything in that article which talks about ice-core and dendrochronology evidence; most of the stuff was about a "stargate conspiracy" and other stuff.

Where is your evidence correlating dendrochronology and ice-core evidence to a 3600-year cycle?
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In an article in Nature, November 1980, Hammer, Clausen and Dansgaard date a disturbance from the Camp Century core to 5470 BC +/- 120 years. This compares to the proposed Hekla eruption which was radiocarbon dated to 5450 BC +/- 190 years. There is an appreciably high acidity signal at these sections of the core which indicates a high level of volcanic activity - again, right at the 3600 year cycle mark.

Pt2 of the article

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and besides all the evidence, debunkers still deny that SOMETHING happens.

i'm not saying it is definitely Nibiru, but there is most definitely something catastrophic (atleast to what we have found to be normal... in reality it is very beneficial) that happens each cycle
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I'm sorry but where's the proof?
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and besides all the evidence, debunkers still deny that SOMETHING happens.

i'm not saying it is definitely Nibiru, but there is most definitely something catastrophic (atleast to what we have found to be normal... in reality it is very beneficial) that happens each cycle
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True...Humankind has been here for millions of years...
Yet our civilizations never reach the potential that this kind of time would allow...
Why is that?

We should have colonized other worlds by now..

Have We?

Some ancient texts suggest we have...


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and besides all the evidence, debunkers still deny that SOMETHING happens.

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WHAT evidence...you've show NOTHING. Get it?
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and besides all the evidence, debunkers still deny that SOMETHING happens.



WHAT evidence...you've show NOTHING. Get it?
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Rough time correlations

30,000 BC: (3600 year intervals as shown by the ice cores) "Soluble Impurities in Four Antarctic Ice Cores Over the Last 30,000 Years" in Annals of Glaciology (10, 1988, pp 116-120). They graphed the Oxygen 18 variations and the ionic components Na = NH (sub4) and Ca (sup 2) and H and Cl and NO (sub 3) and SO (sub 4). The time scale for each ionic component level as well as the O (sup 18) levels stretches back 30,000 years.

The graph shows correlations to spikes at

5,200 BC,

8,800 BC,

12,400 BC, c.

16,000 BC, c.

19,600 BC. All of these were times of great geologic stress.
[link to www.cassiopaea.org]

5000 BC: (Neolithic) Saharan/Arabian deserts assume modern images.
(Catastrophobia, Barbara Hand Clow, Appendix C: Holocene Chronological Highlights pg 250)

8000 BCE: Dr. Sarah O'Mara of Drylands Research at Sheffield University - the world authority on the climate of deserts, past and present - states that up to 8000 BCE "we have no evidence that any humans were living in this area [Egypt]. This was an area that was very dry, very cold. It was the time of the last Ice Age. That Ice Age, which had begun around 20,000 BCE, ended in 8000 BCE, ushering in a period that fluctuated between wetter and drier periods. And Michael Rice, in his book Egypt's Making, writes: "It is probable that the valley floor could not have really supported a substantial human civilization until about 10,000 years ago [i.e. around 8000 BCE].
(The Stargate Conspiracy, Lyn Picknett & Clive Prince. p 39)

11,600 BP: Direct and indirect evidence indicate a time of about 11,600 years BP for the final destruction of Atlantis and for much of the lost motherland of Mu (Australia) to re-emerge from beneath the waves at another appearance of planet Nibiru. Soon after this event, dingoes ("native" dogs) were first introduced into Australia with a new wave of colonists from Asia, the so-called "Australian" lineage. [link to www2.hunterlink.net.au]

12,400 BC: (3600 year intervals as shown by the ice cores)
The 12400 BC event is extremely pronounced in the cores. The graphs show a quick, vast change including the end of the Wisconsin Ice Age. There is a great Oxygen 18 isotope variation. Peaks of Na and very pronounced spikes in Ca, SO (sub 4) and H. [link to www.cassiopaea.org]

10,800 BC: Pole Shift. (The Pleiadian Agenda, Barbara Hand Clow, pg. 86)

10,000 BC: Destruction of Atlantis according to Plato.


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Yes he has, alongside a lot of other people on this forum.

No matter what he says, does or points out your job is not to believe him, cmon now, we all know that ;)
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See if you can find anything that agrees with that on a real science site...not one that pushes the planet x hoax.
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Before you make idiotic statements, why don't you read the article and several more there in the Signs Meteor Supplement about this. You might find that they DO NOT push the planet X nonsense;, instead, they provide tons of hard research and information that you won't find on other so-called "search for the truth" sites; especially, you will not find anything but mis-information on the so-called "real science" sites.

What is coming our way is a pack of meteors. Just before it's too late to do anything, it will be spotted and look like a single body.

AFTER your read a few of the articles, and if you still believe that the SOTT site is not "real science," than dig up some "real science" that paints a different picture for us to consider.
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In an article in Nature, November 1980, Hammer, Clausen and Dansgaard date a disturbance from the Camp Century core to 5470 BC +/- 120 years. This compares to the proposed Hekla eruption which was radiocarbon dated to 5450 BC +/- 190 years. There is an appreciably high acidity signal at these sections of the core which indicates a high level of volcanic activity - again, right at the 3600 year cycle mark.
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I assume you're talking about "Greenland ice sheet evidence of post-glacial volcanism and its climatic impact" by the cited authors which appeared in issue 20 November 1980 Vol 288 No 5788 pp201-308.

The overview of the article says that "...acidity profiles along well dated Greenland ice cores reveal large volcanic eruptions in the Northern Hemisphere during the past 10,000 yr. Comparison with a temperature index shows that clustered eruptions have a considerable cooling effect on climate, which further complicates climatic predictions."

However, if you read the article itself (you need an EBSCOhost account) you will see that Knight-Jadczyk took the data completely out of context in order to make her point. There were several examples of volcanism as determined from the Camp Century ice core; the date in question was only one of them.

If you make the assumption that a single volcanic eruption was tied to a planet because the eruption happened about 7200 years ago, how do you isolate that from all the eruptions around then that didn't happen at the same time?

You need to read the actual Hammer et. al. article, not a distortion by someone like Knight-Jadczyk with an agenda.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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This is very typical of the woo woos. Find something that sounds authoritative and then pick and choose bits of it that seem to back their agenda They know that those who are prone to believe such drivel won't or can't check the details.
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More time correlations:

8,800 BC: (3600 year intervals as shown by the ice cores)

The 8,800 BC event is well marked - in fact, seems to be the strongest of them all... The Flood of Noah, no doubt! The oxygen 18 isotope variation is noticeable, the rise in sea-salt, elevated levels of C 1 and C1/Na. There is an extreme spike in SO (sub 4) and H readings suggesting widespread volcanic activity - great earth changes were happening at that time, and they registered in the climate, the oceans, and were preserved in ice. [link to www.cassiopaea.org]
*Note: In the Tractate Brakhot of the Babylonian Talmud it is said that the Deluge was caused by two stars that fell from Khima toward the earth. The statement reads:

When the Holy One . . . wanted to bring a flood upon the world, He took two stars from Khima and brought a flood upon the world.

The passage in the Talmud that makes the planet Khima responsible for the Deluge means: “Two stars erupted from the planet Saturn and caused the Deluge.” (Khima by Immanuel Velikovsky)

During the “seven days” when the world was flooded by sheets of light, and terrifying signs and commotion filled the heavens, “the Holy One . . . reversed the order of nature, the sun rising in the west and setting in the east.” (Tractat Sanhedrin 108B of the Babylonian Talmud, ed. by I. Epstein (19xx) (The Deluge in Rabbinical Sources by Immanuel Velikovsky)

7500 BC: Another worldwide destruction occurred in about 7500 at another appearance of planet Nibiru, and this was associated with the return of Antarctica to the South pole. This event would have resulted in massive flooding. This event appears to have been linked to an exodus of refugees from Egypt to Sumeria, where civilization was preserved. It is possible that the Mercury satellite of Saturn was set loose in the inner solar system by this passage of planet Nibiru.
(COMET HALE BOPP: AN ANCIENT WHEEL OF TIME? by John Harris)

540 A.D: The dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.

Written in Trees, Not Books: The global environmental event that occurred around A.D. 540 is not recorded in any history books. But the tree ring chronologies compiled from samples of trees, some preserved in bogs, which date back thousands of years, single out something that was quite extraordinary. “It was a catastrophic environmental downturn that shows up in trees all over the world,” Baillie told a news conference at the British Association for the Advancement of Science conference. “This event is clear in the tree ring records.”

The height of a tree is indicative of the quality of soil it is growing in but the rings hold clues about past climate conditions and have been used to date events in the past. They correctly recorded the year without a summer in the North American region in 1816 and the eruption of various volcanoes around the world. Baillie believes the slowdown of tree growth recorded in the rings around A.D. 540 was due to a bombardment of cometary debris which happened around the time of King Arthur’s death, the end of the Roman Empire and the beginning of the Dark Ages.

Sky on Fire: Traditional myths recorded in 13th-century texts refer to a comet in Gaul around A.D. 540, when the sky seemed to be on fire, according to Baillie. “These myths hint strongly at a bombardment vector for the environmental downturn but are almost universally dismissed as fiction or fantasy by academics,” he said. Baillie is appealing to historians to accept that something terrible happened around 540 and to find a record of it.  “I am calling for a debate by scientists and historians on how to approach the evidence for catastrophic events of this kind which were previously not known to have taken place,” he added.
Dark Age Disaster : Tree Rings Suggest Catastrophe Triggered Dark Ages

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This is very typical of the woo woos. Find something that sounds authoritative and then pick and choose bits of it that seem to back their agenda They know that those who are prone to believe such drivel won't or can't check the details.
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Quite a bit of what passes for legitimate science is unable to be directly checked and must be inferred especially cosmology.
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See if you can find anything that agrees with that on a real science site...not one that pushes the planet x hoax.



You and I both know who controls the real science...Just ask all the dead micro-biologists...

Need I say more?



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This is very typical of the woo woos. Find something that sounds authoritative and then pick and choose bits of it that seem to back their agenda They know that those who are prone to believe such drivel won't or can't check the details.
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A lot of folks consider a "researcher" as someone who goes to a bunch of sites which preach the same stuff he'd like to believe and then quote from those web-sites and those alone.

But that is not research and it is not science. Research is finding and correlating data which is relevant to the subject being stidied or discussed -- not just data which supports you own agenda.

Of course, "real" scientists -- those with degrees and the "proper credentials" -- are often prone to cherry-picking the data to support their own pet theories or hypotheses. But that does not make it right.

I think if you have any pretension to being a scientist, you need to research and correlate what is out there -- not just what you want to hear.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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540 A.D: The dark ages came and they lasted for more than five hundred years.

Written in Trees, Not Books: The global environmental event that occurred around A.D. 540 is not recorded in any history books. But the tree ring chronologies compiled from samples of trees, some preserved in bogs, which date back thousands of years, single out something that was quite extraordinary. “It was a catastrophic environmental downturn that shows up in trees all over the world,” Baillie told a news conference at the British Association for the Advancement of Science conference. “This event is clear in the tree ring records.”
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I suggest you read "Catastrophe: An Investigation into the Origins of Modern Civilization" by David Keys. In this excellent book, the author provides very sound evidence for a supervolcano eruption in 525 AD which split what was one island into two (Java and Sumatra).

[link to www.amazon.com]

Although Keys' stand that this eruption caused just about every single major change in history may seem a bit far-fetched, his data which supports a proto-Krakatoa supervolcano is probably the most sound research on the subject.

Baillie, on the other hand, relies on traditional myths, but does not appear to be able to show any impact craters from his putative cometary debris.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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OP, just forget the debunkers, it's no use. Let the dead bury the dead.

Just do whatever you have to do to prepare for whats coming, and pay the establishment no mind.
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Pin this.. or does public opinion no longer matter?
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So...you like to promote "bunk"?
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OP, just forget the debunkers, it's no use. Let the dead bury the dead.

Just do whatever you have to do to prepare for whats coming, and pay the establishment no mind.
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I don't pay them any attention...Was curious who was going to show up though..


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