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Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?

 
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Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Really? I would like some cops input on how much and what kind of training they get. Maybe how they are told to conduct themselves.

I just heard on the radio yet another story of a cop tasering a 17 year old boy because he was "coming at him agressively". Not with a weapon mind you. So we've got cops using tazers on everyone from pregnant women, kids, and disabled people in wheel chairs.

Do they really not teach cops how to handle themselves in a way that they could physically disable someone without possibly killing them?

To tell you the truth, it just seems to me that laziness is the reasoning behind using these tasers so much.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
No it's because they have tiny penises and think about having sex with young boys and because they realize their 'power and authority' is fragile and fleeting and that really they are as insignificant as the 6.6 billion others on this rock. training doesn't come into it you can identify the predator/bully pattern behavior in the schoolyard when they are 3 or 4 years old.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
It's neither - it's because most cops are grown-up schoolyard bullies who've been given authority and weapons - along with virtual immunity from responsibility for their actions..
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
K. Seriously. I don't want this just to be a cop bashing thread. Is there anyone that can shed some real light on the subject? I would really like to know if they are just not adequately trained to handle people or if they are but are too lazy to do it and tasering is just easier.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Tasers are a cops best friend nowadays when it comes to people resisting arrest/detainment. Cops are being trained to use them because it is safer than pulling out a flashlight or a baton and going hands on with a suspect. Tasers rank right near pepper spray on most use of force policies and they are the most effective way to get control over a suspect without any lasting effects.

I don't have any numbers on it but I would venture to guess that more people have died from respiratory complications from pepper spray than people have died from Taser applications.

Remember those cops that beat Rodney King half to death? How long do you think it would have taken them to get him under control if he had been effectively Tased? How long would it have taken his wounds to heal? The incident would have been over 5 seconds after he hit the ground. That is what Tasers are designed for and to prevent.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Thay are doing it because they are evil brainwashed retarded NWO-puppets.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Tasers are a cops best friend nowadays when it comes to people resisting arrest/detainment. Cops are being trained to use them because it is safer than pulling out a flashlight or a baton and going hands on with a suspect. Tasers rank right near pepper spray on most use of force policies and they are the most effective way to get control over a suspect without any lasting effects.

I don't have any numbers on it but I would venture to guess that more people have died from respiratory complications from pepper spray than people have died from Taser applications.

Remember those cops that beat Rodney King half to death? How long do you think it would have taken them to get him under control if he had been effectively Tased? How long would it have taken his wounds to heal? The incident would have been over 5 seconds after he hit the ground. That is what Tasers are designed for and to prevent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 396888

Wow. This is so interesting.

"Tasers rank right near pepper spray on most use of force policies and they are the most effective way to get control over a suspect without any lasting effects." ALOT of people have DIED from tasering. That's pretty lasting. Cops are supposed to protect people, not kill them. Do these people really deserve DEATH for merely speaking out or acting out? Most of these cases, the people don't even have a weapon. Who are cops to make themselves judge and jury?

Cops are being trained to use them because it is safer than pulling out a flashlight or a baton and going hands on with a suspect. It would be safest if cops just didn't do anything but that's not their job is it? I would hope that an intelligent human being would try to use the best option for both parties involved. By this measure, cops just get to use weapons to protect themselves instead of help other people.


Remember those cops that beat Rodney King half to death? How long do you think it would have taken them to get him under control if he had been effectively Tased?Um, please tell me you don't think that Rodney King was beaten half to death JUST to keep him under control. It might have started that way but once you get started beating the hell out of someone, I guess you just can't help yourself. Most likely, if he was tasered, he would just be dead. But hey, maybe we can pose the question, citizens of the US, would you rather die by tasering or being beaten to death? Those are your choices because apparently, our police force is no longer designed to protect and serve us but to protect and serve itself first.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Tasers are a cops best friend nowadays when it comes to people resisting arrest/detainment.
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spoken like a true COP. now, fuck off PIG.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
You didn't give the proper choices to choose from.


A - Sadistic

B - Insecure

C - Power Hungry

D - All of the above
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
You didn't give the proper choices to choose from.


A - Sadistic

B - Insecure

C - Power Hungry

D - All of the above
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 396914

Well, I'm not going to argue about what characteristics draw people to this line of work but from an administrative standpoint, what is their philosophy? What is their aim? What are they taught? It's getting to be more like a club that protects ITSELF above all which seems slightly less than the self sacrificing public servants that cops used to be.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Milgram, S. (1974). Obedience to Authority: An Experimental View.

Read up on it.... basically we all love to shock the living crap out of each other.........and it shows..
It doesn't matter who I m it's who U R so ChoOse
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
a friend of mine, who, for the past 14 years I have told "you're such a dickhead, you'd be a GREAT cop!" finally took my advice and went into police academy. The guy is an alcoholic, has abused drugs, women, and every friend he ever had, and now, he's gonna be a cop...busting people for doing the things he has done all his life.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Not sure why so much hate is at me, I am not a cop. I can understand their situation though as a responsible adult. It's just another option for them to control an out of control situation.

I don't write police policy but if it's proven to be a safer alternative to beating the hell out of someone with an a baton or a flashlight, how can you argue with the numbers?

How about pointing the finger at the idiot who was resisting rather than the cop who was trying to do his job? Sure, there's dirty cops out there but those aren't the ones I'm talking about, normal cops have people resist everyday and stuff goes down.

What's your solution?
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03/21/2008 11:37 AM
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
In any kind of sane society, wanting to be a police officer would automatically disqualify you from the job. I believe that the only way a police force can work is if it is conducted in a neighborhood-watch style fashion, where all the adults in the community serve as police officers in their communities for one month out of the year. It would put a huge damper on corruption, people wouldn't hate and fear the police because they'd be your neighbors, and officers would not get burnt out after doing the same horrible job day in and day out. I think that anyone who desires that kind of power and authority over other people on a permanent basis is seriously sick. And I'm not saying sick to be insulting, I think that there is literally something wrong with anyone who wants to control other people.
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03/21/2008 11:39 AM
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
Not sure why so much hate is at me, I am not a cop. I can understand their situation though as a responsible adult. It's just another option for them to control an out of control situation.

I don't write police policy but if it's proven to be a safer alternative to beating the hell out of someone with an a baton or a flashlight, how can you argue with the numbers?

How about pointing the finger at the idiot who was resisting rather than the cop who was trying to do his job? Sure, there's dirty cops out there but those aren't the ones I'm talking about, normal cops have people resist everyday and stuff goes down.

What's your solution?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 396888

What I am specifically wondering about as listed in my opening lines is what about when it's a situation where a better method could be used, ie situation involving a woman, child, elderly person.
Of course, I want them to protect their life so they can keep on protecting me but these people did not have weapons, did not threaten their lives, were not violent criminals.
The solution would be for them to lay off the donuts, be physically fit, be trained to restrain someone without injuring them, stop being lazy, and exercise judgement.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
In any kind of sane society, wanting to be a police officer would automatically disqualify you from the job. I believe that the only way a police force can work is if it is conducted in a neighborhood-watch style fashion, where all the adults in the community serve as police officers in their communities for one month out of the year. It would put a huge damper on corruption, people wouldn't hate and fear the police because they'd be your neighbors, and officers would not get burnt out after doing the same horrible job day in and day out. I think that anyone who desires that kind of power and authority over other people on a permanent basis is seriously sick. And I'm not saying sick to be insulting, I think that there is literally something wrong with anyone who wants to control other people.
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same thing in politics. no paid politicians. we ALL serve, or what's the point?

this year, thanks to Ron Paul, I have gotten involved in the political process and am now a delegate to Georgia where I can cast a REAL vote for president. I'm paying my own way.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
It's cool to taser, stupid.
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
i was a cop once. had to quit doing that. couldn't stand what we were doing to people.

the standard training for police officers regarding the use of force is (or used to be) this: force is escalated to one step above what a perpetrator is using. they cooperate, verbal directions are enough. they passively resist, joint locks. verbal threats or squaring off to fight, less lethal force (taser, mace, pepper spray, baton). any kind of weapon draws immediate lethal force.

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ps

most of the cops i met were incredibly lazy. force options were exercised early because they were afraid their bluff would not work and they knew they were in no shape to actually fight. again, that is most the cops i met - not all.

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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
i was a cop once. had to quit doing that. couldn't stand what we were doing to people.

the standard training for police officers regarding the use of force is (or used to be) this: force is escalated to one step above what a perpetrator is using. they cooperate, verbal directions are enough. they passively resist, joint locks. verbal threats or squaring off to fight, less lethal force (taser, mace, pepper spray, baton). any kind of weapon draws immediate lethal force.

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 Quoting: ross 396915

What qualifies as passive resistance?

Wow, so verbal threats do warrant tasering. In your experience, was that necessary or do you think the "joint lock" thing could be used? I mean, we can all sit here and run our mouths all day but you have actually been in these situations.
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passive resistance is not doing as instructed while showing no signs of combativeness. laying down and refusing to move or respond is an example of passive resistance.

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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
joint locks would work most of the time, but the training received is no where near extensive enough to enable police to reliably use them when resistance is encountered. i can do it, but i've been a martial artist for 38 years and taught aikido and aikibujutsu for eleven. the police receive training to use joint locks, but there is not enough time to really learn it during the academy and *most* cops are too lazy to continue that training past what is required. and they know they don't know it well enough to use reliably so they go to the next force option.

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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
joint locks would work most of the time, but the training received is no where near extensive enough to enable police to reliably use them when resistance is encountered. i can do it, but i've been a martial artist for 38 years and taught aikido and aikibujutsu for eleven. the police receive training to use joint locks, but there is not enough time to really learn it during the academy and *most* cops are too lazy to continue that training past what is required. and they know they don't know it well enough to use reliably so they go to the next force option.

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 Quoting: ross 396915

So they are trained AND lazy. Of course, I mean the types of people that automatically go full force when a different technique could be used. What of job standards? Are they not had or enforced because it is hard to find cops?
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They ain't tasering everybody - I ain't been tasered yet!
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They ain't tasering everybody - I ain't been tasered yet!
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They ain't tasering everybody - I ain't been tasered yet!
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They're a comin' for ya!
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
there are definitely standards and people come out of the woodwork wanting to be cops. unfortunately they are almost always the last kind of person that should be a cop. it's nearly impossible to find individuals who think the job requires service to a community, and when you're talking about lots of people needed to be cops it's basically impossible. and then the pressure put on those who do care about their community usually erodes their viewpoints so that before many years have past they become just like all the other cops. it's very difficult to be a cop and not develop a "them" and "us" mentality. think about it for a second, your job requires you to arrest people. and *all* of the people you arrest either claim to be innocent or justify their actions. you *must* be able to simply ignore the noise they make unless they say something incriminating. then you *must* remember it and use it against them in a court of law.

let me point something out here... the system is broken. keep doing things the same way and you get the same results. it must change. the courts, cops and corrections are not going to change. so we must. when you serve on a jury remember that it is now your job to evaluate and determine the guilt or innocence of someone accused of a crime. the courts will tell you that if the evidence indicates beyond a reasonable doubt that they did in fact commit the crime you must find them guilty. bullshit. our system has become stuck on words and the intent behind laws no longer matters. if you are on a jury and the person is guilty, but a conviction would be an injustice DON'T FIND THEM GUILTY. if you are on a jury and the crime in question is something that should not be a crime DON'T FIND THEM GUILTY. quit blaming the system and start fulfilling your obligation to make it work. judges will tell you that you have no choice but to find guilty if the evidence indicates. wrong. a juror always has a choice.

i've personally heard judges yelling at prosecuting and defense attorneys that he didn't care if a suspect was guilty or innocent - get a plea bargain and don't come back till you do!!! waiting for the system to fix itself just means it won't get fixed. we are all needed to make it work. quit abdicating your responsibility.

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:donttaze:
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
there are definitely standards and people come out of the woodwork wanting to be cops. unfortunately they are almost always the last kind of person that should be a cop. it's nearly impossible to find individuals who think the job requires service to a community, and when you're talking about lots of people needed to be cops it's basically impossible. and then the pressure put on those who do care about their community usually erodes their viewpoints so that before many years have past they become just like all the other cops. it's very difficult to be a cop and not develop a "them" and "us" mentality. think about it for a second, your job requires you to arrest people. and *all* of the people you arrest either claim to be innocent or justify their actions. you *must* be able to simply ignore the noise they make unless they say something incriminating. then you *must* remember it and use it against them in a court of law.

let me point something out here... the system is broken. keep doing things the same way and you get the same results. it must change. the courts, cops and corrections are not going to change. so we must. when you serve on a jury remember that it is now your job to evaluate and determine the guilt or innocence of someone accused of a crime. the courts will tell you that if the evidence indicates beyond a reasonable doubt that they did in fact commit the crime you must find them guilty. bullshit. our system has become stuck on words and the intent behind laws no longer matters. if you are on a jury and the person is guilty, but a conviction would be an injustice DON'T FIND THEM GUILTY. if you are on a jury and the crime in question is something that should not be a crime DON'T FIND THEM GUILTY. quit blaming the system and start fulfilling your obligation to make it work. judges will tell you that you have no choice but to find guilty if the evidence indicates. wrong. a juror always has a choice.

i've personally heard judges yelling at prosecuting and defense attorneys that he didn't care if a suspect was guilty or innocent - get a plea bargain and don't come back till you do!!! waiting for the system to fix itself just means it won't get fixed. we are all needed to make it work. quit abdicating your responsibility.

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 Quoting: ross 396915

Well, I guess that explains how they ran you off then. I can definitely see your point about the us vs them mentality. Around here we had alot of cop shootings. Now we've got cops running people over with their cars. And that is a great point about how to change the system. Most likely, you would not be best served to abuse cops or resist arrest. But that is a peaceful, intelligent alternative.
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Ha ha ha ha. Too much. That is one of my very favorite phrases!
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Re: Are cops tasering everyone because they are lazy or not trained?
these poor cops are doing all they can.

its not their fault they dont have the mental faculties to make the right choices,people with a higher iq (100 or 110 and above) will be denied entry into the police force because they are too smart.

see they cant let cops be too smart because they have too much chance for corruption, so they pick stupid idiots who wouldnt think to do crooked shit on the side, kinda good point to,what do they need to do besides fight and fill out paperwork?

would you rather have cops giggling and tasering kids or becoming hidden crime lords?