Foreign Policy under an Obama Administration. Twisted, Incredibly Naive and Troubling. | |
| malu User ID: 394870 03/24/2008 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “I will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. We can responsibly remove 1 to 2 combat brigades each month. If we start with the number of brigades we have in Iraq today, we can remove all of them in 16 months.” i certainly don't have the answers and i still think the war was a mistake, but if we were to do the above, those troops left behind each month will have hell to pay, can you imagine being the last few brigades? everyone able to hold a rifle or make a bomb will be trying to get a piece of you if by chance he was elected, i expect to see hundreds of soldiers killed with in the first few weeks "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israel's Mossad "The truth shall set you free." U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto |
| PACNWGuy's Conscience User ID: 394142 03/24/2008 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | radical islamic extremists and al-qaeda are gonna try n' make me wear a turban. they are the greatest threat to america. those few thousand terrorist don't like our freedoms and they want to take it from the 300,000,000 americans! i don't care if we gotta send all our troops to die and i don't care if we gotta spend all our money and our economy completely tanks, i will not praise allah like those dune coons are gonna try n' make me do. no way no how. |
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| malu User ID: 394870 03/24/2008 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You would have so much more credibility if you weren't so biased.... :-) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 301537?? this was a copy and paste read the article for what it is worth "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israel's Mossad "The truth shall set you free." U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto |
| PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 366950 03/24/2008 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You would have so much more credibility if you weren't so biased.... :-) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 301537Ya think? ![]() I dont think I would have posted this if I was an Obama supporter. But you need to wonder how anyone who is wanting to be President can be soooo fucking niave as to what drives Islamic terrorists. Poverty...Thats just stupid. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
| 1-2-Follow User ID: 394142 03/24/2008 04:19 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You would have so much more credibility if you weren't so biased.... :-) Quoting: PACNWguyYa think? ![]() I dont think I would have posted this if I was an Obama supporter. But you need to wonder how anyone who is wanting to be President can be soooo fucking niave as to what drives Islamic terrorists. Poverty...Thats just stupid. so do you think mccain will do better while his staff brushes his hair for him and changes his pee pants for him? can a man who is on the verge of alzheimer's and talks incessantly to furniture run what was once the greatest country in the world or can will he just be the best at finishing the destruction of it that bush has started? "As of 10:18 a.m. EST, on the 23rd day of July, I officially declare this the day your DOW DOOM died. 9000 has just been breached." - the 1-2 Truth is schilling in the empire of retards. "Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845 *PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ® |
| PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 366950 03/24/2008 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so do you think mccain will do better while his staff brushes his hair for him and changes his pee pants for him? can a man who is on the verge of alzheimer's and talks incessantly to furniture run what was once the greatest country in the world or can will he just be the best at finishing the destruction of it that bush has started? Quoting: 1-2-FollowThis guy is the same age and so is Ron Paul. Id almost bet McCain runs further every day than you do. He will have a super VP like Condi Rice to lend a hand if he has a problem. And that will give her and the GOP 8 more years. ![]() OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
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| 1-2-Follow User ID: 394142 03/24/2008 04:40 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so do you think mccain will do better while his staff brushes his hair for him and changes his pee pants for him? can a man who is on the verge of alzheimer's and talks incessantly to furniture run what was once the greatest country in the world or can will he just be the best at finishing the destruction of it that bush has started? Quoting: PACNWguyThis guy is the same age and so is Ron Paul. Id almost bet McCain runs further every day than you do. He will have a super VP like Condi Rice to lend a hand if he has a problem. And that will give her and the GOP 8 more years. ![]() i'm not talking about the mans age, i'm talking about his health and mental stability you idiot. but if you want to speak on age, how many times did you talk shit about how old paul was when huckleberry was your boy? now mccain is your boy by default and all of a sudden age isn't an issue to you? maybe once condi gets tired of smelling his shit britches you could apply for a job to be his changer. "As of 10:18 a.m. EST, on the 23rd day of July, I officially declare this the day your DOW DOOM died. 9000 has just been breached." - the 1-2 Truth is schilling in the empire of retards. "Yep but for now we dub you toast guy." - AC520845 *PROCLAIMED PROPHET OF THE DOW* ® |
| PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 366950 03/24/2008 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How many times did you talk shit about how old paul was when huckleberry was your boy? Quoting: 1-2-FollowHmmmm let me think....thinking....thinking.... I got it. Zero. (Maybe once....But I dont think so.) OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 398896 03/24/2008 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hmmmm OP tell me Who did 911 ??? Bin Laden ??? OK, now I understand .... You poor Seek for Truth in your own country before hating others. OF COURSE OBAMA IS RIGHT !! This is the man you need to help you out of that mess !! I'm not American but hope you'll have him as President, he's just the best choice you can do. GO OBAMA GO |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2711 03/24/2008 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama the Interventionist By Robert Kagan Sunday, April 29, 2007; Page B07 America must "lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good." With those words, Barack Obama put an end to the idea that the alleged overexuberant idealism and America-centric hubris of the past six years is about to give way to a new realism, a more limited and modest view of American interests, capabilities and responsibilities. Obama's speech at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs last week was pure John Kennedy, without a trace of John Mearsheimer. It had a deliberate New Frontier feel, including some Kennedy-era references ("we were Berliners") and even the Cold War-era notion that the United States is the "leader of the free world." No one speaks of the "free world" these days, and Obama's insistence that we not "cede our claim of leadership in world affairs" will sound like an anachronistic conceit to many Europeans, who even in the 1990s complained about the bullying "hyperpower." In Moscow and Beijing it will confirm suspicions about America's inherent hegemonism. But Obama believes the world yearns to follow us, if only we restore our worthiness to lead. Personally, I like it. All right, you're thinking, but at least he wants us to lead by example, not by meddling everywhere and trying to transform the world in America's image. When he said, "We have heard much over the last six years about how America's larger purpose in the world is to promote the spread of freedom," you probably expected him to distance himself from this allegedly discredited idealism. Instead, he said, "I agree." His critique is not that we've meddled too much but that we haven't meddled enough. There is more to building democracy than "deposing a dictator and setting up a ballot box." We must build societies with "a strong legislature, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, a vibrant civil society, a free press, and an honest police force." We must build up "the capacity of the world's weakest states" and provide them "what they need to reduce poverty, build healthy and educated communities, develop markets, . . . generate wealth . . . fight terrorism . . . halt the proliferation of deadly weapons" and fight disease. Obama proposes to double annual expenditures on these efforts, to $50 billion, by 2012. It's not just international do-goodism. To Obama, everything and everyone everywhere is of strategic concern to the United States. "We cannot hope to shape a world where opportunity outweighs danger unless we ensure that every child, everywhere, is taught to build and not to destroy." The "security of the American people is inextricably linked to the security of all people." Realists, call your doctors. Okay, you say, but at least Obama is proposing all this Peace Corps-like activity as a substitute for military power. Surely he intends to cut or at least cap a defense budget soaring over $500 billion a year. Surely he understands there is no military answer to terrorism. Actually, Obama wants to increase defense spending. He wants to add 65,000 troops to the Army and recruit 27,000 more Marines. Why? To fight terrorism. He wants the American military to "stay on the offense, from Djibouti to Kandahar," and he believes that "the ability to put boots on the ground will be critical in eliminating the shadowy terrorist networks we now face." He wants to ensure that we continue to have "the strongest, best-equipped military in the world." Obama never once says that military force should be used only as a last resort. Rather, he insists that "no president should ever hesitate to use force -- unilaterally if necessary," not only "to protect ourselves . . . when we are attacked," but also to protect "our vital interests" when they are "imminently threatened." That's known as preemptive military action. It won't reassure those around the world who worry about letting an American president decide what a "vital interest" is and when it is "imminently threatened." Nor will they be comforted to hear that "when we use force in situations other than self-defense, we should make every effort to garner the clear support and participation of others." Make every effort? Conspicuously absent from Obama's discussion of the use of force are four words: United Nations Security Council. Obama talks about "rogue nations," "hostile dictators," "muscular alliances" and maintaining "a strong nuclear deterrent." He talks about how we need to "seize" the "American moment." We must "begin the world anew." This is realism? This is a left-liberal foreign policy? Ask Noam Chomsky the next time you see him. Of course, it's just a speech. At the Democrats' debate on Thursday, when asked how he would respond to another terrorist attack on the United States, Obama at first did not say a word about military action. So maybe his speech only reflects what he and his advisers think Americans want to hear. But that is revealing, too. When it comes to America's role in the world, apparently they don't think there's much of an argument. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 394824 03/24/2008 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Obama the Interventionist Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2711By Robert Kagan Sunday, April 29, 2007; Page B07 America must "lead the world in battling immediate evils and promoting the ultimate good." With those words, Barack Obama put an end to the idea that the alleged overexuberant idealism and America-centric hubris of the past six years is about to give way to a new realism, a more limited and modest view of American interests, capabilities and responsibilities. Obama's speech at the Chicago Council on Global Affairs last week was pure John Kennedy, without a trace of John Mearsheimer. It had a deliberate New Frontier feel, including some Kennedy-era references ("we were Berliners") and even the Cold War-era notion that the United States is the "leader of the free world." No one speaks of the "free world" these days, and Obama's insistence that we not "cede our claim of leadership in world affairs" will sound like an anachronistic conceit to many Europeans, who even in the 1990s complained about the bullying "hyperpower." In Moscow and Beijing it will confirm suspicions about America's inherent hegemonism. But Obama believes the world yearns to follow us, if only we restore our worthiness to lead. Personally, I like it. All right, you're thinking, but at least he wants us to lead by example, not by meddling everywhere and trying to transform the world in America's image. When he said, "We have heard much over the last six years about how America's larger purpose in the world is to promote the spread of freedom," you probably expected him to distance himself from this allegedly discredited idealism. Instead, he said, "I agree." His critique is not that we've meddled too much but that we haven't meddled enough. There is more to building democracy than "deposing a dictator and setting up a ballot box." We must build societies with "a strong legislature, an independent judiciary, the rule of law, a vibrant civil society, a free press, and an honest police force." We must build up "the capacity of the world's weakest states" and provide them "what they need to reduce poverty, build healthy and educated communities, develop markets, . . . generate wealth . . . fight terrorism . . . halt the proliferation of deadly weapons" and fight disease. Obama proposes to double annual expenditures on these efforts, to $50 billion, by 2012. It's not just international do-goodism. To Obama, everything and everyone everywhere is of strategic concern to the United States. "We cannot hope to shape a world where opportunity outweighs danger unless we ensure that every child, everywhere, is taught to build and not to destroy." The "security of the American people is inextricably linked to the security of all people." Realists, call your doctors. Okay, you say, but at least Obama is proposing all this Peace Corps-like activity as a substitute for military power. Surely he intends to cut or at least cap a defense budget soaring over $500 billion a year. Surely he understands there is no military answer to terrorism. Actually, Obama wants to increase defense spending. He wants to add 65,000 troops to the Army and recruit 27,000 more Marines. Why? To fight terrorism. He wants the American military to "stay on the offense, from Djibouti to Kandahar," and he believes that "the ability to put boots on the ground will be critical in eliminating the shadowy terrorist networks we now face." He wants to ensure that we continue to have "the strongest, best-equipped military in the world." Obama never once says that military force should be used only as a last resort. Rather, he insists that "no president should ever hesitate to use force -- unilaterally if necessary," not only "to protect ourselves . . . when we are attacked," but also to protect "our vital interests" when they are "imminently threatened." That's known as preemptive military action. It won't reassure those around the world who worry about letting an American president decide what a "vital interest" is and when it is "imminently threatened." Nor will they be comforted to hear that "when we use force in situations other than self-defense, we should make every effort to garner the clear support and participation of others." Make every effort? Conspicuously absent from Obama's discussion of the use of force are four words: United Nations Security Council. Obama talks about "rogue nations," "hostile dictators," "muscular alliances" and maintaining "a strong nuclear deterrent." He talks about how we need to "seize" the "American moment." We must "begin the world anew." This is realism? This is a left-liberal foreign policy? Ask Noam Chomsky the next time you see him. Of course, it's just a speech. At the Democrats' debate on Thursday, when asked how he would respond to another terrorist attack on the United States, Obama at first did not say a word about military action. So maybe his speech only reflects what he and his advisers think Americans want to hear. But that is revealing, too. When it comes to America's role in the world, apparently they don't think there's much of an argument. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] At the Council of Global Affairs lmao what a riot.They probly wrote his stupid ass kissing speach for him hahaha |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 398925 03/24/2008 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Were the Apollo moonlanding faked by NASA and the US !!?? It seems to me that a lot of people are willing to automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government cover up or government conspiracy" label. Could it be that most of these hoax stories are created by people who have never accomplished anything (that they feel is important) in their lives, and want to comfort themselves by believing that they now, finally,has one up on the,government, scientists, NASA, military, etc. There is lot of money to be made selling all kinds of weird theories to the gullible. Debate! And not just the old ad hominem. Not the, LETS TRY AND JUMP the person presenting the claim or argument!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 341880 03/24/2008 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | if he were elected he will do just as the state dept/CFR tells him to do.your a dumbass.god by the time the fake election gets here your gonna be in a mental hospital lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394824Yes, you're absolutely right. The OP actually thinks there is a difference between any of these criminals running for President. If any of them don't follow the CFR plan, then they won't be allowed to consume oxygen any longer. They will get the JFK treatment. |