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Jesus, the ONLY begotten son - YET ANOTHER LIE!!

 
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Jesus, the ONLY begotten son - YET ANOTHER LIE!!
We have been taught that Christ is God’s only begotten son. That is a blatant lie. In Gen. 6:2 it speaks of the sons of God. Had the translators done a proper job they would have written “the sons of the gods. The Hebrew word Elohim is plural and means gods not god. The word Elohim appears 2,570 times in the Hebrew Bible and has been falsely translated into English into its singular form, God. Christians will agree with this verse but will argue that God had only one begotten son. Still a lie. In Psalms 2:7 we read, “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” God tells David that he is his begotten son. Did God lie to David?
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it means the one begotten by humans. and he was got the old fashioned way, that's why its called begotten.
the "emperors" have no clothes!
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it means the one begotten by humans. and he was got the old fashioned way, that's why its called begotten.
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The old fashioned way was??????????
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You just don't ubderstand or know what you are writing about, as usual.
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We have been taught that Christ is God’s only begotten son. That is a blatant lie. ... In Psalms 2:7 we read, “I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.” God tells David that he is his begotten son. Did God lie to David?
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Are you sure that God is speaking about David in that psalm?
What does the rest of the psalm say? Does David fulfill its words?

And what of this, Psalm 110:

A Psalm of David.

The LORD says to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool.

The LORD sends forth from Zion your mighty scepter.
Rule in the midst of your enemies!
Your people will offer themselves freely
on the day of your power,in holy garments;
from the womb of the morning,
the dew of your youth will be yours.

The LORD has sworn and will not change his mind,
"You are a priest forever after the order of Melchizedek."

The Lord is at your right hand;
he will shatter kings on the day of his wrath.
He will execute judgment among the nations,
filling them with corpses;
he will shatter chiefs over the wide earth.
He will drink from the brook by the way; therefore he
will lift up his head.


Who is that referring to? Is it David?
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Look again!
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You just don't ubderstand or know what you are writing about, as usual.
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And you don't understand what the bible says, as usual. What doesn't suit you, you simply find a way to magically change it's meaning.


Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit atrocities. Voltaire

"If the book the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?" Robert Ingersoll
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Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

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Voltaire also said, "It took 12 ignorant fishermen to establish Christianity. I will show the world how one Frenchman can destroy it."

But alas for that boast. Twenty-five years after the unbeliever died, his home was purchased by the Geneva Bible Society and became a storage building for Bibles, and his printing press was used to print an entire edition of the Bible.

"Will a man fight against God?" Yes, he will, but not successfully.
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it means the one begotten by humans. and he was got the old fashioned way, that's why its called begotten.
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You obviously havewn't heard yet. - THE VIRGIN BIRTH NEVER HAPPENED MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!


In Isaiah 7:14 we read, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.” In Hebrew it reads, “Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o Immanuel.” In Hebrew the word almah simply means ‘young woman’ NOT virgin. The proper term for virgin is bethulah. “As early as the second century B.C.,” says the distinguished Hebrew scholar and critic, Salomon Reinach, “the Jews perceived the error and pointed it out to the Greeks; but the Church knowingly persisted in the false reading, and for over fifteen centuries has clung to her error.” (Orpheus, p. 197.) Then, when St. Jerome translated the Hebrew Bible into Latin, known as the Vulgate version which includes the N.T. where the same passage appears again in Matthew 1:23, he intentionally “clung to the error” even though Jerome knew full well that it was an error and false. Hebrew scholars were outraged!! So insistent was the criticism, that Jerome was driven to write a book on the subject, in which he makes a very notable confession of the inherent incredibility of the Holy Ghost paternity-story. He wrote, “For who at that time would have believed the Virgin’s word that she had conceived of the Holy Ghost, and that the angel Gabriel had come and announced the purpose of God? And would not all have given their opinion against her as an adulteress, like Susanna? For at the present day, now that the whole world has embraced the faith, the Jews argue, that when Isaiah says, ‘Behold, a virgin shall conceive and bear a son,’ the Hebrew word denotes a young woman, not a virgin, that is to say, the word is ALMAH not BETHULAH’!! (Jerome, the Perpetual Virginity of Blessed Mary, N&PNF, vi, 336.) And to this very day this blatant, deliberate LIE continues to be taught to unsuspecting sincere people.
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Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.

Therefore God, your God, has anointed you
with the oil of gladness beyond your companions ...


Please look closely at Psalm 45, 6-7: it is speaking of God and His throne and kingdom. Speaking of the same One, it goes on to say "your God" even though the passage has not stopped speaking of God as the original subject.

Try this:

Your throne, O God (the Son) is forever and ever.
The scepter of your kingdom is a scepter of uprightness;
you have loved righteousness and hated wickedness.

Therefore God (the Father), your God (Father), has
anointed you with the oil of gladness beyond your
companions ...
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it means the one begotten by humans. and he was got the old fashioned way, that's why its called begotten.


You obviously havewn't heard yet. - THE VIRGIN BIRTH NEVER HAPPENED MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!


In Isaiah 7:14 we read, “Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel.” In Hebrew it reads, “Hinneh ha-almah harah ve-yeldeth ben ve-karath shem-o Immanuel.” In Hebrew the word almah simply means ‘young woman’ NOT virgin. The proper term for virgin is bethulah.
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As I said before: The use of the word almah versus bethulah does not negate the fact of virginity; it is implied. Unlike today in this culture, the overwhelming majority of young Hebrew women of marrying age would have been virgins. A young unmarried Hebrew woman who was not a virgin would have been disgraced, ostracized and possibly stoned to death.

While I do not follow Jerome, or the idea of perpetual virginity (as the Scripture says that Jesus had physical brothers), the argument presented does not disprove the virgin birth.
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The form of the word Elohim, with the ending -im, is plural and masculine, but the construction is usually singular, i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective when referring to the Hebrew god, but reverts to its normal plural when used of heathen divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7). There are many theories as to why the word is plural:

* In one view, predominant among monotheists, the word is plural in order to augment its meaning and form an abstraction meaning "Divine majesty".
* Among orthodox Trinitarian Christian writers it is sometimes used as evidence for the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. This is regarded as fanciful by some secular linguists and some biblical scholars.
* In another view that is more common among a range of secular scholars, heterodox Christian and Jewish theologians and polytheists, the word's plurality reflects early Semitic polytheism. They argue it originally meant "the gods", or the "sons of El," the supreme being. They claim the word may have been singularized by later monotheist priests who sought to replace worship of the many gods of the Canaanite or Semitic pantheon with the Hebrew singular patron god YHWH alone.

A plural noun governing a singular verb may be according to oldest usage. The gods form a heavenly assembly where they act as one. In this context, the Elohim may be a collective plural when the gods act in concert. Compare this to English headquarters, which is plural but governs a singular verb: there are many rooms or quarters, but they all serve one purpose. Thus, it is argued, the meaning of Elohim therefore can mean one god, with many attributes.

The alternative polytheist theory would seem to explain why there are three words built on the same stem: El, Elohim, and eloah. El, the father god, has many divine sons, who are known by the plural of his name, Elohim, or Els. Eloah, might then be used to differentiate each of the lesser gods from El himself.

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"If the book the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?" Robert Ingersoll
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Clever quote but completely oblivious to the fact that man by nature is a faulty creature that is given free will

Tiny detail that's ignored.

As usual something is taken out of context or ignored.
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What a Moron, people like you are the reason america is in the toilet!
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"If the book the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?" Robert Ingersoll


Clever quote but completely oblivious to the fact that man by nature is a faulty creature that is given free will

Tiny detail that's ignored.

As usual something is taken out of context or ignored.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 397787


Just because you think man is faulty by nature, does NOT make it so. I am my own god, just as the bible says. hahahahahaha

John 10:33-34, The Jews answered me, saying, For a good work we stone thee not, but for blasphemy; because thou, being a man, maketh thyself God. I answered them,

Is it not written in your law,
I said, Ye are gods?


Psalms 82:6, you read, "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High."
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Mankind is divided, in all religion, and chritians are divided in their secs, but there is only ONEWAY, you can quote and interpret all you want it doesn't matter because of this simple fact REV 5 the SECOND COMING HE IS THE ONE, the teacher=holy spirit, HIS disciples called HIM rabbi = teacher, and they also knew HIM, as knowing all things again HE is the ONE with the HOLY SPIRIT, the SECOND COMING
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Mankind is divided, in all religion, and chritians are divided in their secs, but there is only ONEWAY, you can quote and interpret all you want it doesn't matter because of this simple fact REV 5 the SECOND COMING HE IS THE ONE, the teacher=holy spirit, HIS disciples called HIM rabbi = teacher, and they also knew HIM, as knowing all things again HE is the ONE with the HOLY SPIRIT, the SECOND COMING
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"It's YOUR religion, YOUR god, YOU burn in hell!" Anonymous
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"If the book the Bible and my brain are both the work of the same Infinite God, whose fault is it that the book and my brain do not agree?" Robert Ingersoll


Clever quote but completely oblivious to the fact that man by nature is a faulty creature that is given free will

Tiny detail that's ignored.

As usual something is taken out of context or ignored.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 397787



We weren't given free will, we took it, even with the threat of death...

If your Adam and Eve story is correct..
They rebelled and it pissed this false god YHWH off and he ran them out of Eden..

Does not your bible say no offspring shall be punished for the sins of the father?
And yet christianity teaches the fall of man was due to Adam and Eve and we still suffer from it..

No, Adam and Eve rebelled against a tyrannical false god and this is why humanity still suffers..



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