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American Society of Civil Engineers accused of cover-up about 9/11
Government-Funded Investigators Accused Of WTC Cover-Up
American Society of Civil Engineers lied about inability of skyscrapers to withstand airliner impacts

Paul Joseph Watson
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Wednesday, March 26, 2008


The American Society of Civil Engineers - an organization that was funded by FEMA to investigate the collapse of the twin towers on 9/11 - has been accused of engaging in a cover-up to protect the government, with critics charging the organization falsified conclusions that skyscrapers could not withstand getting hit by airplanes.

The group has been forced to convene an investigative panel which could lead to a suspension in government funding.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency paid the group about $257,000 to investigate the World Trade Center collapse and their report was released in 2002.

In an attempt to explain away the complete implosion of the twin towers shortly after the planes hit, the study concluded that skyscrapers were not designed to withstand jetliner impacts, a claim completely disproved by historical studies and contemporary investigations.

"Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl, a structural engineer and forensics expert, contends his computer simulations disprove the society's findings that skyscrapers could not be designed to withstand the impact of a jetliner," reports the Associated Press.
[link to ap.google.com]
"Astaneh-Asl, who received money from the National Science Foundation to investigate the collapse, insisted most New York skyscrapers built with traditional designs would survive such an impact and prevent the kind of fires that brought down the twin towers."

The group are also under scrutiny for their investigation of the failure of New Orleans' levees during Hurricane Katrina.

Raymond Seed, a levee expert at the University of California, Berkeley, "accused the engineering society and the Army Corps of collusion, writing an Oct. 20 letter alleging that the two organizations worked together "to promulgate misleading studies and statements, to subvert appropriate independent investigations ... to literally attempt to change some of the critical apparent answers regarding lessons to be learned."


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And so the cracks widen....

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Joseph Burns, a principal at the Chicago firm of Thornton-Thomasetti Engineers said:

"Fire melts steel". "In addition," he said, "the impact of the plane could have severely damaged the building's sprinklers, allowing the fire to rage, despite fireproofing supposed to protect steel columns and beams."

"You never know in an explosion like that whether they (the sprinklers) get cut off," Burns said.

Office fires can melt steel? And this guy is supposed to be an engineer?!

That's an example of the b.s. the so-called 'experts' offered post 9/11 to explain why the towers 'collapsed' (Actually, they were blown-up, but the 'experts' are too yellow-livered still to admit that in public).
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Leslie Robertson, one of the two original structural engineers for the World Trade Center, was asked at a conference in Frankfurt, Germany what he had done to protect the Twin Towers from terrorist attacks. He replies, “I designed it for a 707 to smash into it,” though does not elaborate further.
[link to www2.ljworld.com]
[link to web.archive.org]
The Twin Towers were in fact the first structures outside the military and nuclear industries designed to resist the impact of a jet airplane.
[link to www.nae.edu]
[link to www.fema.gov]
Federal Emergency Management Agency, 5/1/2002, pp. 1-17] The Boeing 707 was the largest in use when the towers were designed. Robertson conducted a study in late 1964, to calculate the effect of a 707 weighing 263,000 pounds and traveling at 180 mph crashing into one of the towers. He concluded that the tower would remain standing. However, no official report of his study has ever surfaced publicly. [Glanz and Lipton, "City in the Sky: The Rise and Fall of the World Trade Center", 2004, pp. 138-139, 366]. A previous analysis, carried out early in 1964, calculated that the towers would handle the impact of a 707 traveling at 600 mph without collapsing - see February 27, 1993 material at
[link to www.cooperativeresearch.org]
In 2002, though, Robertson will write, “To the best of our knowledge, little was known about the effects of a fire from such an aircraft, and no designs were prepared for that circumstance.”
[link to www.nae.edu]
The planes that hit the WTC on 9/11 are 767s, which are almost 20 percent heavier than 707s.
[link to www.sciam.com]
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Mum is the word.





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could you please explain? Mum?
I'm sorry, i don't get it.
Thanks in advance!
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could you please explain? Mum?
I'm sorry, i don't get it.
Thanks in advance!
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Meaning

Keep quiet - say nothing.

Origin

Mum; not mother but 'mmmmm', the humming sound made with a closed mouth. Used by Shakespeare in Henry VI, Part 2:

"Seal up your lips and give no words but mum."


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We are supposed to question 9-11, isn't it obvious?

anonstoner

Any idiot could've done a better job covering this up. It is an intentional release.
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We are supposed to question 9-11, isn't it obvious?

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I agree. 9-11 was a military exercise to see what was possible in the way of psy-op. Now it's proven that ANYTHING is possible.
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Meaning

Keep quiet - say nothing.

Origin

Mum; not mother but 'mmmmm', the humming sound made with a closed mouth. Used by Shakespeare in Henry VI, Part 2:

"Seal up your lips and give no words but mum."


Z
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That's nice of you. Thank you, Zack!

hf
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We are supposed to question 9-11, isn't it obvious?

anonstoner



I agree. 9-11 was a military exercise to see what was possible in the way of psy-op. Now it's proven that ANYTHING is possible.
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They proved that to themselves with the Kennedy assination in broad daylight.



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So should I still join? damned
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damn i feel disgusted right now
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[link to cedb.asce.org]

"The writers report on a simulation study of the performance of the North Tower (WTC-I) of the World Trade Center complex during the impact of American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11, 2001. We discuss impact damage that the structural core might have sustained and its possible behavior under structural and thermal loading. Our simulations indicate that the worst damage to the core structure was in stories 95 through 97 of the tower. We estimate that a core collapse mechanism could be initiated if the tower core column temperatures were elevated to about 700°C."


Yes, I came across this link while doing research on the collapse.

I did not include it, cause I knew it would be portrayed as "part of the conspiracy".

How easy it is to point fingers, and how difficult it is to reveal truth!!

We all know that clever lawyers free guilty, and condemn innocent all the time.
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The official version is that jets and the resulting fires caused towers 1 and 2 to come down. But what about tower 7? No jet hit tower 7 so how did it come down?
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Mum is the word.





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Exactly, Z.
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[link to cedb.asce.org]

"The writers report on a simulation study of the performance of the North Tower (WTC-I) of the World Trade Center complex during the impact of American Airlines Flight 11 on September 11, 2001. We discuss impact damage that the structural core might have sustained and its possible behavior under structural and thermal loading. Our simulations indicate that the worst damage to the core structure was in stories 95 through 97 of the tower. We estimate that a core collapse mechanism could be initiated if the tower core column temperatures were elevated to about 700°C."


Yes, I came across this link while doing research on the collapse.

I did not include it, cause I knew it would be portrayed as "part of the conspiracy".

As it has never been independently replicated, perhaps this study WAS part of an organised conspiracy and cover-up - not necessarily consciously but simply because the researchers were under great pressure to confirm what they knew the government wanted to them to find.

How easy it is to point fingers, and how difficult it is to reveal truth!!

We all know that clever lawyers free guilty, and condemn innocent all the time.
 Quoting: Swordtongue 400147

But that works both ways. It was easy to point fingers at Bin Laden, even though the FBI now admit they have no evidence that he was involved in 9/11 - that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted. He was the patsy for 9/11.
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Very interesting, what will come of this?
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Take a look at this passage from the AP article:

"The panel is expected to issue a report by the end of April and may recommend that the society stop taking money from government agencies for disaster investigations."

Did you get that? Here we have a major scandal, with a panel already convened to investigate the ASCE selling its name to rubber-stamp lies about the WTC and the New Orleans levee system.

And if you want to read one of these fine ASCE reports, you'll need to pay $100 to get access to them.

And one hears endlessly on 9/11 debunking forums about the corrupt practice of truther sites selling books and dvds. What hypocrisy!

Here are some other choice titbits from the debunker's tool kit quoted in this AP article, in which one cooked study is made to support the other, and in which the whistle-blower is scurrilously smeared:

"Corley said the society's study was peer-reviewed and its credibility was upheld by follow-up studies, including one by the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

"I hope someone looks into the people making the accusations," Corley said. "That's a sordid tale."
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WTC & NOL?

NICE!

I bet this engineering outfit certifies bridges too.
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But that works both ways. It was easy to point fingers at Bin Laden, even though the FBI now admit they have no evidence that he was involved in 9/11 - that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted. He was the patsy for 9/11.
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Uh...

He has been on the list since 1998...

[link to www.fbi.gov]

rolleyes
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The official version is that jets and the resulting fires caused towers 1 and 2 to come down. But what about tower 7? No jet hit tower 7 so how did it come down?
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NIST STILL has not released its final report on WTC7. Most in the 9/11 truth movement suspect it never will. Here's there last statement (PDF) on the subject:
[link to wtc.nist.gov]
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But that works both ways. It was easy to point fingers at Bin Laden, even though the FBI now admit they have no evidence that he was involved in 9/11 - that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted. He was the patsy for 9/11.


Uh...

He has been on the list since 1998...

[link to www.fbi.gov]

rolleyes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4321


Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

Why doesn't it SPECIFICALLY, mention 9/11, the crime of the century. That is what the above poster meant.
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But that works both ways. It was easy to point fingers at Bin Laden, even though the FBI now admit they have no evidence that he was involved in 9/11 - that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted. He was the patsy for 9/11.


Uh...

He has been on the list since 1998...

[link to www.fbi.gov]

rolleyes
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You misunderstand me. He is wanted for the bombing of the US embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi but not for 9/11. What I meant was that he was not listed as being wanted for this crime.
Why not? Because he was a CIA asset turned into the patsy for 9/11.
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But that works both ways. It was easy to point fingers at Bin Laden, even though the FBI now admit they have no evidence that he was involved in 9/11 - that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted. He was the patsy for 9/11.
================================

Uh...

He has been on the list since 1998...

[link to www.fbi.gov]

rolleyes
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You misunderstand me. He is wanted for the bombing of the US embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi but not for 9/11. What I meant was that he was not listed as being wanted for this crime.
Why not? Because he was a CIA asset turned into the patsy for 9/11.
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I didn't 'misunderstand you'...You 'misspoke' and said that he was not on the list...

He is, and has been since before 9/11...

You also leave out the fact that NONE of the terrorists on the list are wanted for 9/11...
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Yes, you did misunderstand me, although I misled you in referring to the "10 most wanted". I meant the FBI's list of the hijackers involved in 9/11. I was not referring to this list you linked to.

"You also leave out the fact that NONE of the terrorists on the list are wanted for 9/11..."

No, I did not leave out anything. I was not referring to THAT list.
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But that works both ways. It was easy to point fingers at Bin Laden, even though the FBI now admit they have no evidence that he was involved in 9/11 - that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted. He was the patsy for 9/11.
================================

Uh...

He has been on the list since 1998...

[link to www.fbi.gov]

rolleyes
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You misunderstand me. He is wanted for the bombing of the US embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi but not for 9/11. What I meant was that he was not listed as being wanted for this crime.
Why not? Because he was a CIA asset turned into the patsy for 9/11.


I didn't 'misunderstand you'...You 'misspoke' and said that he was not on the list...

He is, and has been since before 9/11...

You also leave out the fact that NONE of the terrorists on the list are wanted for 9/11...
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19 of them are supposedly, dead.
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I made a deep study of how the FBI and Mossad tracked the so-called hijackers in the USA. I concluded that some of these men were CIA drug runners and money launderers who were financed by the CIA's proxy in Pakistan - the ISI (for example, Saeed Omar Sheikh, a former MI6 agent who, Benazir Bhutto claimed, murdered bin Laden)) wired $100,000 to Mohammed Atta shortly before 9/11 on the orders of the chief of ISI):
[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]
Then they were used as patsies for 9/11.
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Yes, you did misunderstand me, although I misled you in referring to the "10 most wanted". I meant the FBI's list of the hijackers involved in 9/11. I was not referring to this list you linked to.

"You also leave out the fact that NONE of the terrorists on the list are wanted for 9/11..."

No, I did not leave out anything. I was not referring to THAT list.
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Nice attempt at backpeddling...

Here is what you said:

that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted

chuckle
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Yes, you did misunderstand me, although I misled you in referring to the "10 most wanted". I meant the FBI's list of the hijackers involved in 9/11. I was not referring to this list you linked to.

"You also leave out the fact that NONE of the terrorists on the list are wanted for 9/11..."

No, I did not leave out anything. I was not referring to THAT list.


Nice attempt at backpeddling...

Here is what you said:

that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted

chuckle
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Stop backpeddling from admitting that you misunderstood me. I don't need to be reminded what I said. And I think I know better what I meant than you. As I said, I misspoke and you naturally assumed I was referring to the FBI's top 10 list, when I really meant the FBI's list of people who took part in 9/11. Now do you geddit? No, I expect not because you don't want to lose face, do you (sigh!)
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And stop hijacking my thread with an irrelevant issue, troll!
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As I said, I misspoke and you naturally assumed I was referring to the FBI's top 10 list
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No..."I" said you misspoke...

I didn't 'misunderstand you'...You 'misspoke' and said that he was not on the list...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4321


Then you tried to dodge the obvious and tell me that I "misunderstood" you with:

Yes, you did misunderstand me, although I misled you in referring to the "10 most wanted". I meant the FBI's list of the hijackers involved in 9/11. I was not referring to this list you linked to

Only because that is exactly what you said dumbass:

that's why he is not on their list of the 10 most wanted

when I really meant the FBI's list of people who took part in 9/11. Now do you geddit? No, I expect not because you don't want to lose face, do you (sigh!)
 Quoting: Cholem Yesodeth


Yah...I "geddit"...You talk out your ass alot, and can't be bothered to be held to what you say...It's everyone elses problem if they can't divine what you are supposedly saying when you rant...

Lose face?

To a backpeddling, prevaricating tard, such as yourself?

laugh

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