SPACE-BASED LASER BEING USED TO DELIBERATELY CUT MASSIVE ANTARCTIC ICE

Nah, I'm a mechanical engineer. I don't doubt we have the ability to make a laser that can cut ice, but the problem with making cuts 45 miles long is power. What can generate continuous power for that long at that intensity?

you people are nucking futs the wife grew up on a farm ask me hey dumb ass ever shatter apond when its iced you get all kinds of shapes and lots of close to perfect corners
well no but now that you say it ya glass do to huh

I don't doubt we have the ability to make a laser that can cut ice, but the problem with making cuts 45 miles long is power. What can generate continuous power for that long at that intensity?

You have to think outside and ahead of the box, so to speak. The technology presented to us, the general public, and to some extent, the general military and government, are long obsolete. Let's look at the invisibility cloaks now being used by military. That technology has been in the works for decades, and most likely been operational for quite a few years. We only get told about new stuff like that when it's already old. Take the Stealth bomber for example. It was built and flying 20 years or longer before it was ever shown to the public.

So it's not unthinkable that there are extremely powerful power sources available to the military, what with the massive leaps the nano-tech sector has made over the last decade. I've no doubt that there are nano-batteries or something like that that could easily run a powerful laser from space.

Invisibility cloaks are real now, "SMART" clothing is available, robotics has taken giant steps forwards, literally, with things like the Big Dog robot. And that's just public knowledge stuff.

For a fuckwit that claims to be in the Navy, I would think that you already knew military planes could do this. Oh wait, maybe it's the air force that has this capability, we use people like you to keep ship decks nice and shiny. Keep scrubbing biatch


Nah, I'm a mechanical engineer. I don't doubt we have the ability to make a laser that can cut ice, but the problem with making cuts 45 miles long is power. What can generate continuous power for that long at that intensity?

Plus the magic laser has to burn through 200/300 feet of ice vertically before cutting a 45 mile chunk off.

Wow, I want a power source that can generate enough to fuel a high-powered continuous laser beam for long enough to make 45-mile-long cuts!


For a fuckwit that claims to be in the Navy, I would think that you already knew military planes could do this. Oh wait, maybe it's the air force that has this capability, we use people like you to keep ship decks nice and shiny. Keep scrubbing biatch

No. Military planes can't do this.

You're probably thinking about the ABL or Airborne laser Program, which has a converted Boeing 747 freighter with a chemical laser to blast a potential ICBM while still in boost phase. Here is some real info on this:

[link to www.boeing.com]

Have you ever though how much energy it would take to do this ice shelf stuff? It's not hard to figure out, if you've taken a couple of post-high school math courses.

If you assume the "cut" is a line 45 miles long by 50 feet deep by one inch wide, and if you assume that the temperature of the ice is only one degree below freezing, then you will have to raise about a million cubic feet of ice one degree. Since a pound of ice weighs 67 lb, you must melt 66,300,000 pounds of ice (and do it quickly before it freezes again).

Since it takes 1 BTU to raise one pound of water (or ice) one degree, you will need to generate 66.3 million BTUs over a fairly short (say one minute) period of time. I'm using a minute to do the whole deed since the ice sheet would quickly freeze again once the heat source was removed.

So if you had a device which would provide that heat (and let's assume that there's no energy loss during transmission which, of course, there would be) you would need a device which would produce 1.1 million BTUs of heat energy per second, which is about a much as five Palo Verde powerplants here in Arizona (the world's largest nuclear power plant) can produce.

Now think about how big the whizz-bang up in space (which we've never even seen) would have to be to produce that much energy.

Think about what the energy losses would be in the transmission of that energy, especially as it travels through the atmosphere.

And think about why no astronomer in the southern hemisphere reported a huge minute long blaze of light while the "cut" was made.

It simply doesn't add up.

There are many nuclear power plants in orbit, as well as unlimited solar power. We know that the Air Force, Navy and Army have been experimenting with chemical lasers as well.

I attended a conference in San Diego in 1997 and overheard a private conversation by a contractor about the development of a laser of unbelieveable destructive power.

I believe that we have seen its power.

Methane clathrate, also called methane hydrate or methane ice, is a solid form of water that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure (a clathrate hydrate). Originally thought to occur only in the outer regions of the Solar System where temperatures are low and water ice is common, significant deposits of methane clathrate have been found under sediments on the ocean floors of Earth. [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Methane clathrate is a form of water ice that contains a large amount of methane within its crystal structure (a clathrate hydrate) and recently extremely large deposits of methane clathrates have been found under sediments on the ocean floors of Earth. Methane clathrates are common constituents of the shallow marine geosphere, and they occur both in deep sedimentary structures, and as outcrops on the ocean floor. Methane hydrates are believed to form by migration of gas from depth along geological faults, followed by precipitation, or crystallization, on contact of the rising gas stream with cold sea water.

Methane ice may be involved in the fluctuations of atmospheric methane seen in polar ice cores. From this record, it is known that methane rose rapidly whenever climate changed from glacial to interglacial conditions (during "deglaciation"). Warming of water bathing the seafloor could have led to large-scale release of methane from the melting of methane ice. Evidence for such a process is seen on the floor of the Barents Sea, which is the shelf sea north of Norway and forms part of the Arctic. Fields of giant craters have been detected within that sea off the coast of Norway, in a region rich in methane clathrate deposits. The biggest of the craters was measured as 700 m wide and 30 m deep, indicating catastrophic explosions of methane. It is thought that these craters were formed during deglaciation.

Direct measurements show that large amounts of methane can escape from the Sea of Okhotsk on occasion, where the seafloor is rich in organic matter and harbors methane ice. Pressure is increased on the seafloor during deglaciation (from the rise in sea level). Thus, if the seafloor is the source of the methane increase seen in ice cores, a marked rise in temperature must be responsible for release of methane. This would imply that intermediate waters must have been considerably colder than now, during glacial time. Also, the contribution of large amounts of methane would provide an additional source for the increase of carbon dioxide observed during deglaciation. Evidence for catastrophic release of methane has been found in the more distant geologic record as well, within deep-sea sediments, for a period at the end of the Paleocene about 55 million years ago. The event led to widespread extinctions in the fauna living on the deep-sea floor.

What is now worrying scientists is that global warming caused by the Greenhouse Effect, may raise sea temperatures, melting polar ice and releasing large amounts of methane trapped in the methane clathrate resevoirs. Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than Carbon dioxide and the release of large volumes could cause a positive feedback reaction - raising the rate of climate warming. Another strange side affect could be a drop in sea levels due to the gap left behind from the methane clathrate melt.

In the worst circumstances, the "hole" left behind could result in a sea level drop of 25 metres but Dr Bratton of the US Geological Survey has stated that his conservative estimates suggest a drop of up to 1.5m. He also believes that a 1-2 degree rise in temperature in polar regions could be enough to start the melting of the clathrates - more worryingly arctic temperatures are modelled to rise more quickly than other regions around the globe so we may well be reaching a point at which climate change could accelerate to catastrophic levels.

So in order for you to have your hypothesis make any sense, we now have to assume that there is a Secret hitherto-unknown power source out there.

There are many nuclear power plants in orbit, as well as unlimited solar power. We know that the Air Force, Navy and Army have been experimenting with chemical lasers as well.

I attended a conference in San Diego in 1997 and overheard a private conversation by a contractor about the development of a laser of unbelieveable destructive power.

I believe that we have seen its power.


With a maser, the ice could be shattered rather than melted. Two or more masers operating in interference mode could produce a resonant beat frequency that would shatter the ice. This would be much more efficient than melting it.

PV solar is way more efficient in space than on the ground since there is no atmosphere to attentuate the sun's radiation. A maser would operate in a pulsed mode so that the peak power requirements could be met with state of the art capacitor technology. A PV solar array, if used with ultra capacitors, would not be required to also have the same short time pulsed peak power output as the maser; it would only need to supply the total energy required over a much longer period of time. A high powered space based maser would not be inconceivable.

I'm continually amused by the debunkers who somehow think that there is no classified technology. If they didn't read about it in Scientific American, then it can't be.

There are many nuclear power plants in orbit, as well as unlimited solar power. We know that the Air Force, Navy and Army have been experimenting with chemical lasers as well.

I attended a conference in San Diego in 1997 and overheard a private conversation by a contractor about the development of a laser of unbelieveable destructive power.

I believe that we have seen its power.


With a maser, the ice could be shattered rather than melted. Two or more masers operating in interference mode could produce a resonant beat frequency that would shatter the ice. This would be much more efficient than melting it.

PV solar is way more efficient in space than on the ground since there is no atmosphere to attentuate the sun's radiation. A maser would operate in a pulsed mode so that the peak power requirements could be met with state of the art capacitor technology. A PV solar array, if used with ultra capacitors, would not be required to also have the same short time pulsed peak power output as the maser; it would only need to supply the total energy required over a much longer period of time. A high powered space based maser would not be inconceivable.

I'm continually amused by the debunkers who somehow think that there is no classified technology. If they didn't read about it in Scientific American, then it can't be.

They are called Tabular icebergs..... nothing new.

[link to www.spri.cam.ac.uk]

They are called Tabular icebergs..... nothing new.

[link to www.spri.cam.ac.uk]


hey thats a cool link, the new one doesnt look exactly like the tabular iceberg but they are similar

They are called Tabular icebergs..... nothing new.

[link to www.spri.cam.ac.uk]


hey thats a cool link, the new one doesnt look exactly like the tabular iceberg but they are similar

is that a UFO over the right iceberg?
[link to www.spri.cam.ac.uk]

A spaced based laser to alter climate was one of my recommendations when I was actively involved in government in the 1980's. It is one of many space based systems of which everyone has no knowledge.

For a fuckwit that claims to be in the Navy, I would think that you already knew military planes could do this. Oh wait, maybe it's the air force that has this capability, we use people like you to keep ship decks nice and shiny. Keep scrubbing biatch


Nah, I'm a mechanical engineer. I don't doubt we have the ability to make a laser that can cut ice, but the problem with making cuts 45 miles long is power. What can generate continuous power for that long at that intensity?