Description: This is a short collection of clips I took at the WTC site on 18th Jan 2008, where I was accompanied by Dr Judy Wood. Strange things seem to be still going on, while Silverstein rakes in $300,000/day cash, or so we're told.
Description: Trip to NYC, Andrew Johnson and Dr Judy Wood - 17th Jan 2007. Here is a very quick edit of Andrew's footage he captured when we visited the WTC area in NYC. We discovered dirt still being hauled out and things still being hosed down... Why?
Also, we saw quite a few rusty beams - and we saw what might have been ongoing fuming...
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 4:47 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
They officially said all fires were out at the 99-day mark. Here we are at the 6-month mark! Why is this truckbed and tailgate fuming? (link for pictures)
They officially said all fires were out at the 99-day mark. Here we are at the 6-month mark. The truck is dumping a load of fuming stuff. The stuff is covered with wet dirt. They are hosing it down as they dump it -- and its still fuming. The tailgate of the truckbed is swung open and is fuming with no water on it. The water appears to cut down on the fuming. If it were steam, we would see the opposite of this.
Also, if it were hot, why didn't they hose it down and cool it off *BEFORE* they operated the hydraulics? ;-)
* If it's hot enough to require hosing down, it's too hot for hydraulics.
* If it's hot enough to require hosing down, why didn't they cool it off before operating the hydraulics?
The front tires of the truck appear dry as well as the cab. The upper-front of the truck bed appears dry. The lower-right end of the truck bed appears wet. The hose-down appears to be just in one place (note water path in front of building on the right, and note the water pattern on the pavement)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 4:52 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
First Responder Statement: RENE DAVILA
File No. 9110075
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
LIEUTENANT RENE DAVILA
Interview Date: October 12, 2001
[Emphasis added.]
A. ...He goes (inaudible). I said, "Ramos?" He said, "What?" I said, "I left my wallet and my refund check in the fucking vehicle. I don't think Uncle Sam is going to give me another refund check."
Q. At this point was your vehicle lost?
A. Basically all we to do is go around the building, came around. But it took longer than usual because you're walking in like this shit.
Like you move and it's this soot like heavy dust.
While we're walking I realize that we only have two people. I see my vehicle. The seats are covered. I've still got my bag. I hold it like a trophy. Like people collect basketballs. I haven't touched -- whatever the force was, it was so strong that it went inside of the bag.
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE
RENE DAVILA INTERVIEW, pp. 27.
How does Rene Davila know "the force" went inside his bag? Perhaps he looked inside and the material in his bag looked very strange. His reaction to this seemed to be that he shouldn't touch it. If the contents of the bag looked like the above aluminum samples, I wouldn't want to touch it either.
First Responder Statement: FIREFIGHTER TODD HEANEY
File No. 9110255, 238
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
FIREFIGHTER TODD HEANEY
Interview Date: December 6, 2001
[Emphasis added.]
A. ..."I remember getting a drink of water out of their cooler there, and then we just started to put out the car fires, and the rigs were going, ambulances. I mean, there must have been 50 of these things burning heavily. The Scott cylinders and the oxygen cylinders were all letting go. They were all blowing up left and right."
First Responder Statement: FIREFIGHTER PATRICK SULLIVAN
File No. 9110235, 227
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
FIREFIGHTER PATRICK SULLIVAN
Interview Date: December 5, 2001
[Emphasis added.]
A. ..." There was a Deputy Chief's rig on fire that was extended to 113's rig. There was a big ambulance, like a rescue company truck, but it wasn't a rescue company truck. It was a huge ambulance. It must have had Scott bottles or oxygen bottles on it. These were going off. You would hear the air go SSS boom and they were exploding. So we stretched a line and tried to put that out. He could only use booster water."
First Responder Statement: RENE DAVILA
File No. 9110075
WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW
LIEUTENANT RENE DAVILA
Interview Date: October 12, 2001
[Emphasis added.]
A. ...He goes (inaudible). I said, "Ramos?" He said, "What?" I said, "I left my wallet and my refund check in the fucking vehicle. I don't think Uncle Sam is going to give me another refund check."
Q. At this point was your vehicle lost?
A. Basically all we to do is go around the building, came around. But it took longer than usual because you're walking in like this shit.
Like you move and it's this soot like heavy dust.
While we're walking I realize that we only have two people. I see my vehicle. The seats are covered. I've still got my bag. I hold it like a trophy. Like people collect basketballs. I haven't touched -- whatever the force was, it was so strong that it went inside of the bag.
But we were there. Vehicle 219 wasdestroyed.
Q. Was it on fire?
A. What?
Q. Was it on fire?
A. Fire? We saw the sucker blow up. We heard "Boom!" We were walking up Fulton Street. I don't know how far we made it up when someone says, "The building's coming down." By the time I realized, it's a repeat.
We were running, and I looked back and it seems like the sides of the street were getting narrower. The sound got louder and the wave. I remember we separated one time and Ramos wanted to go down into the train station. I said, "No fucking way. We're out here. Without ventilation, we're definitely dead." I said, "If I'm going to die, I'm going to die with a fighting chance."
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 5:00 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
Evidence of molecular dissociation (DEW) is shown in the figures below. I understand the FEMA report to say these came from WTC7. I also have a nice FEMA picture showing the half dissolved beam by that hole in liberty street (last figure).
The "Deep Mystery" of Melted Steel
[link to www.wpi.edu]
"Materials science professors Ronald R. Biederman and Richard D. Sisson Jr. confirmed the presence of eutectic formations by examining steel samples under optical and scanning electron microscopes. A preliminary report was published in JOM, the journal of the Minerals, Metals & Materials Society. A more detailed analysis comprises Appendix C of the FEMA report. The New York Times called these findings "perhaps the deepest mystery uncovered in the investigation." The significance of the work on a sample from Building 7 and a structural column from one of the twin towers becomes apparent only when one sees these heavy chunks of damaged metal."
World Trade Center Post-Disaster Reconnaisance and Perishable Structural Engineering Data Collection
Final Report: 0139542, Submitted on: 11/07/2005
Final Report for Period: 10/2001 - 09/2002
Principal Investigator: Astaneh-Asl, Abolhassan
Senior Personnel Name: Astaneh-Asl, Abolhassan
Worked for more than 160 Hours: Yes
Contribution to Project: A. Astaneh was PI for this Small Grant for Exploratory Research (SGER) of NSF.
One week after the tragic collapse of the World Trade Center, supported by this GSER, he travelled to New Yourk and stayed for two weeks in Hotel Tribeaa which was few blocks from Ground Zero. First he met with Mr. Leslie Robertson and vsisted Ground Zero with him. Mr. Robertson is the structural designer of the collapsed World Trade Center Towers.
1400 VEHICLES melted NEAR WTC
Figure 1. "This is an interview by Diane Sawyer of a Fireman who witnessed these Melted cars, and he states that where these cars were, there were no Fires around!!!"
(0:00:50) URL, posted July 10, 2007, by neverknwo
Preliminary transcript:
Diane Sawyer: And I've got Don Dayo (?) in here with me, we're dividing up all the duties, here, and he's been down to the scene, and also J.D. Hopfer (?) who says he's just a volunteer who came in here from California and was around the area.
I just wanted to know how much fire is there. You said you were just at Ground Zero. How much fire is left?
J.D. Hopfer (?):
Well at Building Seven there was no fire there whatsoever, but there was one truck putting water on the building. But, it's collapsed completely. And then, the other building, that there were some flames still coming up was in World Trade Center One, not a lot.
Diane Sawyer: You said you saw melted tour busses? Melted cars?
J.D. Hopfer (?): The cars that were right down there, ...it was just unbelievable. They were twisted and melted into nothing. The build... the debris is just unbelievable. And then you can see fire trucks and police vehicles that were down there early, that um, all their windows, their windshields, are completely blown out -- from, ...it must have been from when debris dropped.
Introduction Top
A reported 1400 vehicles were damaged on 9/11. [Reference] These vehicles had peculiar patterns of damage and some were as far away as FDR Drive (about 7 blocks from the WTC, along the East River). Vehicles had missing door handles for example, windows blown out, window frames deformed, melted engine blocks, steel-belted tires with only the steel belts left, and vehicle front ends destroyed with little or no effect on the back end of the vehicles. What could have caused such extraordinary damage? Portions of cars burned while paper nearby did not.
Many vehicles had their outer surface peeled away like a sardine can. In some instances, clearly there is more than peeling paint was involved. It appears that the sheet metal delaminated as though something caused the material to melt or disintegrate at a certain depth. In some cases it appears that there was more heat damage inside than outside and vice versa.
In the debate over toasted cars ignited by this article, some have argued that the wrecked vehicles on FDR drive were damaged at the WTC and were loaded up and transported and dumped on FDR drive for storage. First, there is no evidence that this was done. Second, it makes no sense to load up wrecks, transport them, only to dump them in a busy thoroughfare for storage. These wrecks would have had to be picked up yet again and transported again. If vehicles were truly moved from the WTC to FDR Drive, we wonder why WTC steel beams were not stacked up on FDR drive, as well, if it was such a good storage area. Third, governments may be stupid, but we doubt they could be this inefficient. If reported, it would have been a minor scandal. Fourth, we might be wrong about the facts here, but it looks like the motive for this speculation about shifting wrecks around lower Manhattan is to protect the official story or thermite story or other pet theories. We fail to see any other explanation for such a "forced" interpretation for these photographs. Fifth, marks on the roadway suggest that some of these vehicles were pushed to the side of the roadway until they could be removed. For example, see this figure. This is a more natural explanation for why some of the cars appear to have been moved from where they were damaged rather than all the way from the WTC.
Most of the 1400 toasted cars had some, if not all, windows missing. What would cause this? Figure yy, below,(SEE MAIN LINK ABOVE FOR PIXOF THE TOASTIES)) shows a silver convertible with its top apparently intact but missing some of its window glass. If the windows were blown out from pressure inside, we would expect the convertible top to have been torn or blown off. This suggests that the windows were not blown out by internal pressure, but may have been shattered by some other mechanism.
SEE MAIN LINK ABOVE FOR JET FUEL TRASH /CAN FIRES CANT MELT STEEL LOL
TOASTIES FROM A TRASH CAN FIRE?
TOASTIES FROM A JET FUEL FIRE?
NOT LIKELY?
NO NOT LIEKLY TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!
Figure 67w. How could alleged jet-fuel and trash-can fires melt or significantly weaken steel in the WTC towers?
In 1975 Fires burned 6 floors of WTC1 for 180 minutes (floors 9-14) with no fire sprinklers. (source)
In 2001 Fires burned 5-6 floors of WTC1 for 102 minutes (floors 94-98) with fire sprinklers.
In 2001 Fires burned 6-7 floors of WTC1 for 56 minutes (floors 78-84) with fire sprinklers.
Thanks, OP for posting some intriguing evidence that some strange physics and chemistry occurred at WTC (and is still going on, it seems). And it certainly is NOT due to thermate, which has been irrefutably debunked, as far as I am concerned (the molten metal that poured out of the 81st floor of the South Tower was lead from the lead batteries stored in the computer rooms on that floor used by Fuji Bank, according to what an ex-employee told Christopher Bollyn):
[link to iamthewitness.com]
I'll comment later when I have finished studying your linked material.
Hosing down or watering dirt while grading, loading it into dump trucks and what not is merely to keep down the dust in 'normal' construction projects. This is for just normal 'virgin' dirt that has not been contaminated by the materials and chemicals that super structures like the WTC were chocked full of when they were brought down.
It is possible that that is what they are doing spraying water to keep down the dust.
'Steam' will rise out of 'warm' water hitting cold earth, will rise in cool air making a 'fog'.
I do not know what the temperatures are like in NYC at the time the vid was made. It is possible that the air was cold, the warm water hitting the soil causing a similar effect as fog - where moisture rises from the ground.
Another reason why spraying would be done, especially in the case of a fully furnished building has been reduced to ruble would be to keep down the dust to keep down potential toxic dust from rising up.
In reconstruction zones where say asbestos was part of a previous building hauling away and spraying down the soil beneath is not uncommon. "fuming" or using chemicals to bond the soil with its potentially toxic load is not out of the ordinary either - depending on the material in the soils.
Owning to when the twin towers were built (1970's) and the potential for asbestos, lead and other 'interesting' chemicals and substances that were part of the structures its a safe bet that due to the way the buildings were brought down (without asbestos and lead removal prior to demolition) it is a safe bet that the area is full of known toxic or potentially hazardous materials.
Most likely the EPA was in and found that the soils beneath the WTC are contaminated by the materials the WTC was built out of. It is not just a simple matter of lead for solder joints and asbestos as fire retardant. Asbestos may have been part of the material off all of that drywall as well. Then there are the petrochemicals of all the plastics in the building - and other stuff.
Of course more silence at this time may be a 'bad' political move - but it may be a worse political move to notify the public that the ground in and around 'The Pit' was contaminated to the point where it has to be removed and detoxified an disposed of and treated like toxic waste due to things like asbestos, lead, aluminum compounds, drywall compositions, all of the water that was sprayed in the hours and days after the collapse to put out fires (leeching God only knows what through the cracked and broken retaining walls).
Besides steel covered with asbestos for fire retardation, and concrete (Pulverized, full of lime and other materials when exposed to the air and water forms acids and other 'interesting' chemicals, things like, drywall, paint, plumbing and all of the lead at solder joints, sheathing for wiring, on top of that were offices with computers (which are full of toxic materials that melt at low temperatures) telephones, furniture and other stuff which not only got crushed up, but were baked for a very long time.
And on top of that one has to think of all the sewage lines (which may not have had sewage in them at the time, but had been used for 30+ years so were lined with waste material).
The Ceiling panels, the lights (fluorescent bulbs have mercury in them - not too much for one tube, how many tubes where in the WTC to light it up?). Even the copper wiring although harmless by itself can combine with other materials under heat to make some dangerous chemicals.
How many cars were parked in the garages? those too contain toxic materials, brake fluid, gasoline, antifreeze, battery acid... Plus the plastics and lead and other materials.
So yeah, sure when we think of the collapse we are often reminded of the steel and concrete, what we fail to recall is all of the potentially hazardous materials that were on the site as well - cooked to produce God only knows what kind of chemical reactions with lots of water added not only being sprayed on to put out fires, but the months of weather and rain that would leech that stuff into the soils.
So another thing to cause 'steam' or vapor may be a reaction between God only knows what chemical compounds that were unleashed in the pit and water.
I have no doubt that Ground Zero was and may still be a toxic hell hole.
There is no need to add a conspiracy twist to this one. All of the stuff needed to make for 'interesting' clean up issues are part and parcel of every office building on earth - our modern electronics alone are deadly and we are facing E-waste as an ecological threat.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 7:07 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
Yes normal clean ups dont last six years though, and the normal hazzards that may have been in various building materials used in construction dont pulvarize steal and concrete and human beings into dust .
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 7:15 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
SMOKE FROM THE PIT NOW AND ON June 2006, looking north in the big bathtub. The new WTC7 is in the distance, on the right.
Here's why they need the dirt. Here's the type of "puff-ball poofing" we saw in October!
060600_PlatformD01.jpg
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 3a. On Tuesday, there was a fresh new pile of dirt. It could have been potting soil or topsoil. Why was it here? If this construction was for the foundation of a new building, what is the dirt for?
(10/09/07)
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 3b. Another visitor to the site was asked, "Why are they bringing this dirt in?" The visitor answered, "They're not brining it in, they're digging it up." How can you get dirt from bedrock?
(10/09/07)
Pleiadians, "During the process of nuclear fission and fusion an atom is forced open a electrons escape. Science and industry assure us that this process is safe, because even though our knowledge of atomic structure is incomplete, any unforeseen damaging effects are prevented by the massive steel and concrete containment vessels. They are correct insofar as containing electrons is concerned, but what they have yet to realize is there exists much smaller particles of mass and energy which pass easily through the containment walls, and which strip off particles from the containment vessels themselves as they pass through. This results in an unforeseen and rapid decay of the containment structure itself - weakening it greatly within a decade - which in turn allows even larger particles (still smaller than an electron) to escape." [link to www.galactic-server.com]
The cloud from the destruction of WTC1 rolls toward the parking lot.(9/11/01) Source:
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure toast2b. Just after WTC1 is destroyed, fires start to burn the vehicles in the large lot, but not the paper. Why?
(9/11/01) Source:
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure toast3. The vehicle fires increase in strength as sunling begins to emerge through the clearing dust cloud.
(9/11/01) Source:
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure toast4.The air upwind of the WTC has visably become clearer. The vehicle fires continue increasing and flames can be seen.
CLOSE UP OF THE AFFECTS OF THE SO CALLED SMOKE.FUMES /DUST
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 66(k). This Toasted Interior was consumed except for the fire extinguisher.
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 66(i). A minivan is consumed by flames. The fire rages inside the vehicle, contained by the remaining windows. The fire appears more intense at the front where the engine is.
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure onfire2. A fire rages, apparently on Vesey Street, sending up thick black smoke. These may be the vehicles that eyewitness Rebecca O. described as she ran past WTC6 during the destruction of WTC2.
Source
THE SO CALLED SMOKE/DUST AFTER
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 313. Most of WTC3 disappeared during the destruction of WTC1. The pedestrian walkway over the West Side Highway was connected to something that is no longer there. The remains of WTC2 can be seen near the center of the photo and the remains of WTC1 are partly visible in the lower right corner.
(9/27/01) Source
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 41a. "Fumes" from the site were visible for days.
CORRECTION
THE SO CALLED FUMES/SMOKE/DUST 2007
[link to www.drjudywood.com]
Figure 100. June 2006, looking north in the big bathtub. The new WTC7 is in the distance, on the right.
Here's why they need the dirt. Here's the type of "puff-ball poofing" we saw in October!
060600_PlatformD01.jpg
(6/?/06) Source:
Figure 102. September 2007. "'As we got deeper and deeper there was a lot more rock that had to be blasted and broken up," he said. Officials said that the work on the 1,700-foot Freedom Tower is not affected by the problems at the Silverstein tower sites." In September 2007, Why are they taking dirt out?
Where did the dirt come from?
(9/?/07) Source:
Quoted from article: (1/1/08) Source: (archived)
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 8:01 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
WE NEED CHEMICAL HAZARD SUITES FOR THIS JOB
Figure 268. Why is this inspection being done with white hazmat suits? This is the region where the old PATH terminal was.
061200_HMdemo03.jpg
(01/?/07) Source:
For some reason the vast collection of photo evidence of THE TOASTED CARS IS down i expect this is a construction job at judy's site i hope that evidence is not being taken away.
Anonymous Coward User ID: 401894 (OP) 3/28/2008 9:04 AM
Re: Judy wood- the molecular dissacosiation is still going on at ground zero six years later!!
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