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IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?

 
dofzion
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IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
just asking wonder if anyone knew how they did it without freezers???
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i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...
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SHIT THANKS AC!!!!
BUT I DONT THINK I WOULD KNOW HOW TO THAT ???
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i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...
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did things stay fresh?? i wonder??
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
it used to be cut out of freshwater ponds during the winter, and stored in barns. the ice was covered in sawdust. then during the summer they'd uncover it as needed.
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
In my hometown there was an old ice house. They would go to the North in midwinter & cut blocks of ice from frozen lakes. These were brought back in train loads using insulated box cars. The ice house was like a big warehouse built partially underground and well insulated. They could store enough ice to last through the summer.
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ice was cut from frozen lakes in the winter and stored in sawdust houses for use during the year. most people consumed what they produced on small farms. not until refrigeration was invented did "stores" and dairy delivery start to become more popular. other foods were kept hot on the stove. or reheated or salted to maintain freshness.
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i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??
 Quoting: dofzion

define fresh...

Heck..the English used to hang up pheasants until near-rotten before they cooked 'em.

hardly ever bathed too.
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it used to be cut out of freshwater ponds during the winter, and stored in barns. the ice was covered in sawdust. then during the summer they'd uncover it as needed.
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AND IT WOULDNT MELT??
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it used to be cut out of freshwater ponds during the winter, and stored in barns. the ice was covered in sawdust. then during the summer they'd uncover it as needed.

AND IT WOULDNT MELT??
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from link above I posted..

In America, the Shakers were well-known for their excellent ice-houses; these were double-walled and triple-roofed, with sawdust packed between, and more sawdust laid thickly on the floor.
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??

define fresh...

Heck..the English used to hang up pheasants until near-rotten before they cooked 'em.

hardly ever bathed too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260371

LOL THE FOOD DID IT STAY FRESH
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
it used to be cut out of freshwater ponds during the winter, and stored in barns. the ice was covered in sawdust. then during the summer they'd uncover it as needed.

AND IT WOULDNT MELT??
 Quoting: dofzion

of course it would melt...but big blocks of ice insulated by sawdust etc and kept in a cool dark place will keep a lot longer than you would think.
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i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??
 Quoting: dofzion

well im sure there was a lot more drying and curing of meats ect.

ive heard of a way to make a makeshift fridggeyou get like 2 buckets one that fits in the other and put the small one in the big one and fill the space between the buckets with like sand or dirt but sandier is better i think, then puor water in that sand and cover the buckets the inside bucket is where it should stay cooler, this would also surely work better if you had a hole to put the whole contraption in.

see the when water evaporates from the sand it has a cooling effect.

probably not super cold but its better than nothing
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??
 Quoting: dofzion


No, things didn't stay fresh.

Heck we are even so obsessed with sterility that it is now supposedly good to drink stuff like "pro biotics". For example unmolded cheese or slightly sour milk used to be the norm for most people (that being said we nowadays have less people dying from to few bacteria then we had back then dying because of to many).

Also a lot of conservation techniques have been replaced (for example salt (curing) and pickling are hardly used anymore).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??

define fresh...

Heck..the English used to hang up pheasants until near-rotten before they cooked 'em.

hardly ever bathed too.

LOL THE FOOD DID IT STAY FRESH
 Quoting: dofzion



Most food wasn't handled as much as it is today.. Less chance for contaminants..

An ice box in the kitchen kept things pretty cool.
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??

define fresh...

Heck..the English used to hang up pheasants until near-rotten before they cooked 'em.

hardly ever bathed too.

LOL THE FOOD DID IT STAY FRESH
 Quoting: dofzion

not in my book.

life was more about securing daily food back in the days before refrigeration and xboxes.
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
Near where I live there used to be an ice house for a large Scottish estate. Workers would be sent to collect ice and snow and pack it into the house (which had very thick stone walls and sat on a free draining sand/gravel bed) In the summers the ice was removed, mixed with salt to create a freezing mixture then used to create special dishes such as sorbet or ice cream for the 'Big House'
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
i dont think many had it, i think it was expensive and had to be brought from a cold place...

i think most people just used root cellars and things like refrigeration.

like milk had to be freshly delivered ect...

did things stay fresh?? i wonder??


No, things didn't stay fresh.

Heck we are even so obsessed with sterility that it is now supposedly good to drink stuff like "pro biotics". For example unmolded cheese or slightly sour milk used to be the norm for most people (that being said we nowadays have less people dying from to few bacteria then we had back then dying because of to many).

Also a lot of conservation techniques have been replaced (for example salt (curing) and pickling are hardly used anymore).

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Shevar 361147

SO ALOT OF PPL PROLLY GOT SICK THEN ???
WELL IF WE HAD TO DO IT NOW IS THERE ANY EASY WAY????
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
if you are looking for a way to make ice or keep things cold in case TSHTF..

You can use a solar powered cooler..

[link to www.polarpowerinc.com]
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
SHIT THANKS AC!!!!
BUT I DONT THINK I WOULD KNOW HOW TO THAT ???
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I believe, it was an industry that disappeared as the industrial age took over.

We've become reliant on the mod-cons eh?

I think there were evaporative cooling methods too to keep food fresh like an "box" with hessian/burlap sides that were kept wet--not icy but cool.
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
SHIT THANKS AC!!!!
BUT I DONT THINK I WOULD KNOW HOW TO THAT ???


I believe, it was an industry that disappeared as the industrial age took over.

We've become reliant on the mod-cons eh?

I think there were evaporative cooling methods too to keep food fresh like an "box" with hessian/burlap sides that were kept wet--not icy but cool.
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i think thats what i was trying to explain above with the buckets
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Here's the page of reviews of the book "The Frozen Water Trade" from Amazon, you will enjoy reading them, the book is great, about a guy who developed the international trade in ice from New England's lakes, ponds, and rivers and shipped it all over the world, nuts! :-) Very cool history, read the reviews:

The Frozen Water Trade: A True Story

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cut your meat up in thin strips and hang them over a tree branch


a little bit later youll have jerky

(which you can rehydrate in soup or something)
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
SHIT THANKS AC!!!!
BUT I DONT THINK I WOULD KNOW HOW TO THAT ???


I believe, it was an industry that disappeared as the industrial age took over.

We've become reliant on the mod-cons eh?

I think there were evaporative cooling methods too to keep food fresh like an "box" with hessian/burlap sides that were kept wet--not icy but cool.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 404008



Yeah! My mum had a butter cooler made of unglazed earthenware that sat in a dish of water. Capilliary action cased the sides of the crock to remain damp and evaporation helped keep the inside cool.

Not that any food kept for long when we kids were about laugh
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
Yeah don't forget SALT...

For meats. And also salt helps keep water frozen.
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Yeah don't forget SALT...

For meats. And also salt helps keep water frozen.
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really?

could have sworn that salt was used to MELT ice..ie winter roads etc.
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Re: IN THE 1700&1800S HOW DID THEY MAKE ICE?
Yeah don't forget SALT...

For meats. And also salt helps keep water frozen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 404008

huh?

then why does the state salt the roads to keep them unfrozen?

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