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Stadium Visitor Told To Hit Delete Button

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WASHINGTON, DC (WUSA) -- Like a number of people without a ticket to the Nationals' game Sunday, Mark Butler stood outside the left field gate and watched some of the historic event from a distance. The Minnesota man carried a digital camera to capture the memories. For a member of the Uniformed Division of United States Secret Service, Butler captured too much.


9NEWS NOW photographer Greg Guise was rolling when an officer approached Mark Butler. Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush.

"It's kind of like not being in America," Butler said. Butler said he was not interested in the security but in the part of the stadium you could see beyond the gate.

Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley told 9NEWS NOW that there is no "hard and fast rule" in this situation. Wiley said it is a situation left to the discretion of the officer.

When specifically asked about the legality of ordering someone to delete pictures Wiley answered, "We have the authority to ask them to remove the picture from the camera."

Arthur Spitzer, Legal Director of the American Civil Liberties Union of the National Capital Area, said "ask" could be the operative word in that statement by Wiley. Spitzer said he knows of no law in these circumstances that would allow law enforcement to force someone to delete pictures.
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"Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush."

Just WHY is this an unreasonable request? Let's NOT make a mountain out of a proverbial molehill, OP!

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..And just think of the imagery if people were still using older SLR cameras - The SS ripping the film out of the back of someone's camera - It's just the same..dunno where I'm going with this??!

...bad though.
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"Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush."

Just WHY is this an unreasonable request? Let's NOT make a mountain out of a proverbial molehill, OP!

 Quoting: milehighmike


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"Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush."

Just WHY is this an unreasonable request? Let's NOT make a mountain out of a proverbial molehill, OP!

 Quoting: milehighmike

I'll tell you why it was unreasonable. Because what ***king terrorist or assassin would take such photos in full view of a Secret Service agent, dumbass?
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None would.. but a spotter would.
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None would.. but a spotter would.
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"Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush."

Just WHY is this an unreasonable request? Let's NOT make a mountain out of a proverbial molehill, OP!

 Quoting: milehighmike


If you do not understand why it is unreasonable then you are an opponent of freedom and liberty.

I refuse to be considered a terror suspect.

Fight for your liberty. Many others have done the same thing before you.

Contrary to recent belief structures, it is not un-patriotic to tell tyrannical government oppressors to go fuck themselves.

It seems to me that the SS trooper is the one that chose to make a mountain out of a mole-hill here.
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I wonder if the SS man said "let me see your papers"?
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"If you do not understand why it is unreasonable then you are an opponent of freedom and liberty."

>>Exactly which freedom does this incident violate?

"I refuse to be considered a terror suspect."

>>Judging by your demeanor you would probably be a fairly good example!

"Fight for your liberty. Many others have done the same thing before you."

>>This does not violate your liberty.

"Contrary to recent belief structures, it is not un-patriotic to tell tyrannical government oppressors to go fuck themselves."

>>Nobody said it was.

"It seems to me that the SS trooper is the one that chose to make a mountain out of a mole-hill here."

>>The Secret Service officer was following security guidelines.
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I wonder if the SS man said "let me see your papers"?
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the modern form is to ask for id/drivers licnse
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I wonder if Bush wears body armour underneath his suit--not for fear of terrorists but from fear of "his" own people.
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"If you do not understand why it is unreasonable then you are an opponent of freedom and liberty."

>>Exactly which freedom does this incident violate?

"I refuse to be considered a terror suspect."

>>Judging by your demeanor you would probably be a fairly good example!

"Fight for your liberty. Many others have done the same thing before you."

>>This does not violate your liberty.

"Contrary to recent belief structures, it is not un-patriotic to tell tyrannical government oppressors to go fuck themselves."

>>Nobody said it was.

"It seems to me that the SS trooper is the one that chose to make a mountain out of a mole-hill here."

>>The Secret Service officer was following security guidelines.
 Quoting: Sinanju 399354

The camera is private property.
The contents of the camera is solely owned by a sovereign individual.
The SS trooper has no right to modify for force the modification of the private property of any sovereign individual.

Being considered a terror suspect because your 'attitude' is one that promotes true freedom, liberty, and sovereignty is a textbook example of how a tyrannical government thinks and works.
From your response it is evident that you are an opponent of American ideals.
Your response to my statement is but one symptom of the true disease that is infecting the highest levels of our govrnment.

Being told, or forced to do something with your private property without due process or probable cause, certainly violates your liberty.

Calling it your job, doesn't make it right.
"I was just following orders" is not and excuse for supporting tyranny.
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The rights enumerated in the constitution are your rights.. but none of those rights were violated.

Deal, wimp.
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"If you do not understand why it is unreasonable then you are an opponent of freedom and liberty."

>>Exactly which freedom does this incident violate?

"I refuse to be considered a terror suspect."

>>Judging by your demeanor you would probably be a fairly good example!

"Fight for your liberty. Many others have done the same thing before you."

>>This does not violate your liberty.

"Contrary to recent belief structures, it is not un-patriotic to tell tyrannical government oppressors to go fuck themselves."

>>Nobody said it was.

"It seems to me that the SS trooper is the one that chose to make a mountain out of a mole-hill here."

>>The Secret Service officer was following security guidelines.
 Quoting: Sinanju 399354

By the way Milehighmike, is there a reason why you are posting under two different user names?
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The rights enumerated in the constitution are your rights.. but none of those rights were violated.

Deal, wimp.
 Quoting: Sinanju 399354

Standing up to those that would oppress you is quite the opposite of what I would consider a 'wimp'

Following orders, that are clearly against the ideas of freedom, liberty, and sovereignty, because of fear of reticule or personal ruin, is what I consider cowardice.
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"Butler said the officer demanded he delete any pictures that showed the security checkpoints set up to screen fans for the visit by President George Bush."

Just WHY is this an unreasonable request? Let's NOT make a mountain out of a proverbial molehill, OP!

 Quoting: milehighmike


I see you don't get it. Let's try pictures:

:bushhitler:
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The rights enumerated in the constitution are your rights.. but none of those rights were violated.

Deal, wimp.
 Quoting: Sinanju 399354

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Try again mike.
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I think Mike went to go ask his boss what he should type next.
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By the way Milehighmike, is there a reason why you are posting under two different user names?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17061


AC 17061 -

Is there a reason that you CAN'T read numbers????


339344 is NOT 399354

sbus

Some of us actually have lives outside of the electronic world.....dumbass
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I'd tell them to fucking take a hike. No law against it therefore they can fuck off by my word.
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I think Mike went to go ask his boss what he should type next.
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I think AC 17061 had to go ask his mommy for his next smart ass response...

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I'd tell them to fucking take a hike. No law against it therefore they can fuck off by my word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 351899

Exactly. The agent had no legal right to stop the man as he was breaking no law. He might not like the photos being taken for blah! blah! blah! reasons. But that does not give him authority to order the man to delete the photos. It's just another example of the fascism spreading through the world of enforcement wherein police officers think their badge allows them to do what they like.





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