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The Ego and Societal Transparency

 
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Do not try to put your ego away. Don't try to put it down. It is a natural process. In natural processes, the harder you try to push something away, the harder it is to push away. You have to recognize it and let the emotions that it brings forth go through you without dwelling on it. This is all simplicity. Wisdom is recognizing the thought energy (because you have experienced it before) and not acting upon it. It is like in meditation when a thought comes to you but you do not dwell on it. It passes through you and upon coming out of meditation you do not even remember what those thoughts were. This is part of the process of awakening. It is awareness of our eternal selves no matter the form. Spiritual growth is the ability to transcend dualism. It is not the ability to push it away.

The time fast approaches to redefine your ego-self. This will be a difficult shift for the forces of everyday living in materialism will restrict the casting off of unnecessary Service-to-Self ego patterns that subsume so many. This pattern has rooted itself into most aspects of modern human relations as is being increased greatly due to the advent of the ‘I Want/Need That’ generation governing global economies.

Realization of this redefining of the ego is a central theme in gaining insight into ways of achieving mastery of certain divine practices and, perhaps more importantly, dissolving fear based paradigms.

Imagine societies living in a state of Service-to-Others as all people have redefined the long held perspective that Service-to-Self is not the answer. This grand vision of people living and working for others, for the common good of societies in whole, cannot manifest when a small percentage of people still live and work as Service-to-Self. The destructive patterns inherent in Service-to-Self ideologies, patterns of manipulation and falsehoods, would easily trump those who are living in Service-to-Others. There would be only one true way of diverting Service-to-Self, and that is: transparency. True transparency of all records and agendas contained within societies would be mandatory for all societal endeavors. And all endeavors are for the purpose of expanding life with an enlightened mindset that we are all of one. The future fallacies that evolve from hidden motives and manipulative agendas will no more dominate, for they are exposed from the first manifestation of thought in those not enlightened enough to grasp and contain the awesome responsibility that would spring forth from this vision. Everyone, every idea, is put forward not for one’s own self gain, but the gain for the entirety of humankind. Service-to-Self would dissolve as soon everyone would have what they desire in the Service-to-Others ideology.

That single card of ascension, transparency, will be the cornerstone of the new world. Just that one idea would change the world, change human life; it would catapult us into the second Garden of Eden. That transparency will occur when the human species comes to know, through an expanded awareness of life, that we are all One and the same without separation from ourselves, or the universe we are a part of. This may sound like some grand notion beyond the Egocentric infested mind of the human collective. But I tell you this: this awareness of transparency is now in the process of being realized as a Collective Conscious. At its base simple beginnings we can see it in our global communications systems. We have the ability to access massive amounts of individual thoughts and feelings contained within an ideological bubble of people as easily as accessing the web. It is getting more and more difficult for persons of the old manifesto to keep their secrets, keep their populace from knowing what is going on in the world by censoring media. For in the very censoring of that global media to certain peoples is an act of deceit which the victims will not stand for.

In order to reach this early state of transparency, individuals must be open to the idea and acknowledge the base truth of where this ideal must sprout from, and gain its momentum from. This first stage, first step, is the most difficult and trying stage of Global Consciousness due to the strength of the individual ego that we as humans indoctrinate our youth into. And later in life the conscious effort of absolving egocentric acts becomes much more difficult to practice. The surrendering of egocentric behavioral patterns during the daily routines of work and relationships and the consequences assured to ensue, runs counterproductive and counterintuitive to the reality of the business world.

How can we come to practice this weaning away from the Service-to-Self fear based paradigm that our global cultures resonate with, without the consequences of inevitable job instability and loss of income that the majority of us would experience if we decided to release our oh-so-important ego from our daily activities? Well, a different environment is needed, a different place that we could practice and actually experience the process without jeopardizing our livelihoods. Where…? What are you talking about? I am telling you that that ideal environment resides close to your spirit… in lucid dreams.

Experiencing this awakening awareness, you will begin to realize, is a gradual process. The concepts are too evolved for the human condition to make in one leap. It is structured to be taken in steps. And as each successful step is reached and consciously manifested into your daily life, the next step is realized as possible and attainable… and taken. And as each step attained is further built upon, new doorways of enlightenment will open before you. And soon it is discovered that the steps and doorways are never-ending.
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Self: "See, what'd I tell you? This is what I've been saying all along".

Ego: "I see what you mean".

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Self: "See, what'd I tell you? This is what I've been saying all along".

Ego: "I see what you mean".

Cooperation
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Exactly. Ego must exist in 3D. It is a form of motivation. It is when you tell yourself, "I want to be one of the peeps who experience ascension!" It is not a destructive form of Ego, but rather a driving force in self motivation without the Service to Self personality.

It is very important for people to understand this, for within a 3D universe dualism is its foundation. It is a place to understand that destructive behaviors is not the way to evolve, to create. But to understand that, entities must experience it. They live through all aspects of the 3D universe so that when it is their time to advance they have the wisdom to guide those below them. Just as the angels/advanced beings/entities are able to 'guide' us. That is why the law of Free Will is so important. This must be a self realization process. It cannot be forced upon you, or given to you because the self knowledge/experience (or wisdom) in correctly applying the guidance would not be sustainable.
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I agree that what happens in any particular society/age all depends on the model of 'self' that is 'agreed' upon at the time. The shift, seems reminiscent of the evolutionary transition of complex cells into 'creatures' for the first time - albeit only simple sponges.
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Spiritual growth is the ability to transcend dualism. It is not the ability to push it away.
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Indeed.


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Interesting post, OP. Thanks for bringing it back to the front.

Would you say then that the shift to Service-to-Others depends on physically doing the charitable service or just having the mindset or intent to do the service? In other words, would the "intent" bring about the occasion to do such service-to-others, like synchronicity, or would one have to force the change of habit from Service-to-Ego by actively doing something charitable?

Please don't think I'm being a jerk here by asking the question. I am curious.
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This is my EGO lol

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Interesting post, OP. Thanks for bringing it back to the front.

Would you say then that the shift to Service-to-Others depends on physically doing the charitable service or just having the mindset or intent to do the service? In other words, would the "intent" bring about the occasion to do such service-to-others, like synchronicity, or would one have to force the change of habit from Service-to-Ego by actively doing something charitable?

Please don't think I'm being a jerk here by asking the question. I am curious.
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Nope, didn't get that you were a jerk from the response. It is up to the individual. Everybody has their own unique path in attaining higher spiritual levels through Service to Others, just like every person has unique, individual personalities.

Example: Say you loved helping people. Doing charitable work makes you feel like you are accomplishing what you set out to do in this life. You are working at the capacity that is getting the most out of your path.

Say you are not a people person. Instead, you feel that you can do more good and be of more service researching and writing and presenting your findings.

Both are Service to Others oriented, but different pathways are walked.

Infinite are the pathways to God
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Thanks for the reply, Sickscent hf

It's taken me a lifetime to break the mould of trying to "work" things out like relationships, goals, career, making enough of the green-stuff to finally breathe easy, etc. After a few near-misses on the physical plane with my physical and emotional wellbeing, I just kinda shrugged and said, "I don't care what happens". That was the turning point.

Opportunities, challenges to the stale existence that I had been experiencing, starting presenting themselves to me. Like the Collective Soul music video "The World I Know", stepping to the edge gave me a view to a world of balance and purpose. Not focusing on things like everybody else. Seeing the wonder of an ant gathering crumbs to an Ant Nebula in space, there was a similarity in pattern and geometry.

What if the Universe is the opposite of expanding from an explosion, and instead is imploding into smaller and smaller microcosms, each an exact duplicate of the functioning cells and organs of our bodies.

Many indigenous people believe Gaia is a living entity, with a circulatory system, respiration, and cleansing organs. I am reminded of the classic movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" where the astronaut keeps getting older and older until he becomes a fetus within another planet.

WOW!
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I think you are cruelly pandering to people's hopes with your prophetic insinuations! To state them with such confidence is congruent with lying! Example: "This awareness of transparency is now in the process of being realized as a Collective Conscious" (referring to the internet, etc). I must respectfully disagree! The ubiquity of disinformation on the web outweighs the genuine revelations 100 to 1!! If the internet becomes more transparent, they will lock it down further against everyone's will. And if they can't control it, they will destroy it!

Let's all relax, and get lost in our lucid dreams, and let the sea of disinformation in the waking world wash away any possibility of oneness of the species becoming a reality.

Let's face the truth. Humanity isn't headed for "oneness"...

...it's headed for "twoness." The slave class and the master class.

We'll be specialized like insects. We'll have diverged into two distinct versions of the same species by the time we're ready to spread ourselves to new planets - and it's a good thing! I'm excited to one day be the father of fellow ascendants of future worker drones. That's evolution, and evolution is beautiful.

Actually, all of those mildly intelligent worker drones will likely think in exactly the same way that you assert that the ideal future human should think. <b>"Service-to-others" is clearly 100% mutually synonymous with a "selfless, obedient, uncle-Tom" slave class!</b> The catch is that the drones will be unaware of the physical existence of their elusive queen, the protected upper class remnants. The drone's inborn intuition will make him always feel that the queen is behind his shoulder, judging him like a God would; and because every other drone around him feels the same way, and he thusly comprehends no possibility of an alternative lifestyle, he will have an obedient life of "service-to-others" from birth to death; and he will gladly die for his abstract, invisible queen. The world is basically already a prototype of this future existence. I can't wait to see the end result arrive! To final be out of the gruesome means, and to witness the end product with pride - what a joy!
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Thanks for the reply, Sickscent hf


Many indigenous people believe Gaia is a living entity, with a circulatory system, respiration, and cleansing organs. I am reminded of the classic movie "2001: A Space Odyssey" where the astronaut keeps getting older and older until he becomes a fetus within another planet.

WOW!
 Quoting: a-noid 407338


Ken Carey's book, "The Third Millennium" describes the Earth as alive and conscious. Much of his work is Native American. But he describes the coming shift as humans merging their consciousness with Earth to become one giant intelligent organism, with humans being the communication devices and stewards. If you haven't read his stuff, you should. Start with "Starseed Transmissions".

The things you posted about yourself sounds like you gave and gave. Then you discovered that the most important thing is to first love yourself. Once that self-realization is attained, the life you are living becomes much more enjoyable, and productive.
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I think you are cruelly pandering to people's hopes with your prophetic insinuations! To state them with such confidence is congruent with lying! Example: "This awareness of transparency is now in the process of being realized as a Collective Conscious" (referring to the internet, etc). I must respectfully disagree! The ubiquity of disinformation on the web outweighs the genuine revelations 100 to 1!! If the internet becomes more transparent, they will lock it down further against everyone's will. And if they can't control it, they will destroy it!

Let's all relax, and get lost in our lucid dreams, and let the sea of disinformation in the waking world wash away any possibility of oneness of the species becoming a reality.

Let's face the truth. Humanity isn't headed for "oneness"...

...it's headed for "twoness." The slave class and the master class.

We'll be specialized like insects. We'll have diverged into two distinct versions of the same species by the time we're ready to spread ourselves to new planets - and it's a good thing! I'm excited to one day be the father of fellow ascendants of future worker drones. That's evolution, and evolution is beautiful.

Actually, all of those mildly intelligent worker drones will likely think in exactly the same way that you assert that the ideal future human should think. <b>"Service-to-others" is clearly 100% mutually synonymous with a "selfless, obedient, uncle-Tom" slave class!</b> The catch is that the drones will be unaware of the physical existence of their elusive queen, the protected upper class remnants. The drone's inborn intuition will make him always feel that the queen is behind his shoulder, judging him like a God would; and because every other drone around him feels the same way, and he thusly comprehends no possibility of an alternative lifestyle, he will have an obedient life of "service-to-others" from birth to death; and he will gladly die for his abstract, invisible queen. The world is basically already a prototype of this future existence. I can't wait to see the end result arrive! To final be out of the gruesome means, and to witness the end product with pride - what a joy!
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You seem just a tad bit bitter and cynical. First let me say that you do not understand the concepts of Service-to-Others and Service-to-Self. S-O is not to cow down to egocentric entities but to Serve for the greater good and advancement for the betterment of the human condition.

As far as the ubiquity of disinformation on the net. Yes, I agree that there is alot out there. But the disinfo and lies told can be revealed now. Much like Clinton's story about sniper fire in Bosnia. There are more sources now available to root out falsities than there has been in the past when what you were told by the media is what you believed, because there was no other sources for information gathering. So, I respectfully, but completely, disagree of your assessment that we cannot find truth easier thanks to the internet.

Also, you do not seem to realize that there is more than one reality. We are not all going to end up in the same place. Some humans will go one way, others will go another way. People stuck in the mindset of past traditions and beliefs will stay in that reality. The people that are opening up and feeling/experiencing the new realities now becoming available to us will travel different paths.

To each his own!
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The things you posted about yourself sounds like you gave and gave. Then you discovered that the most important thing is to first love yourself. Once that self-realization is attained, the life you are living becomes much more enjoyable, and productive.
 Quoting: Sickscent


You hit the nail squarely on the head, Sickscent. And the materialistic world brainwashes us daily that we need to be more, do more, have more, spend more and then maybe we'll find happiness. Less is more, and I'm really appreciating the small things that come my way now.

Love your threads! And I am a fan of Ken Carey, too.
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Thanks a-noid.

I must've read Ken Carey's stuff a hundred times over, each time finding more and more.
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Bumping this thread!

Your post Sickscent is quite nice! :-)

Reviewing what I've read and connected with is two personal revelations. First is that in Genesis, God gave Adam a help-mate. I believe that this is what is referred to as *woman* (or Eve), and that Eve represents the EGO. A helpmate. Not a ruler or a dictator, but a help mate.

Also, in Genesis, God put Adam to sleep to form *Eve* and God never awakened Adam. Most don't realize that Adam was not awakened. Perhaps your idea that *lucid dreaming* is the key to forming a connection to our higher self and service to others is a representation of Adam waking up to his spiritual self? This does not delete Eve (Ego), but puts Ego in its proper place, imho.

Just pondering....

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Very good post! You've given me some things to think about. Appreciated!
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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Silkscent:

Thank you for this thread.

It was nice to read your intelligent take on spiritual matters without the usual woo woo. Good luck to you!
hf
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Notices Sickscent has read a lot of selfhelp books, and has probably sniffed up some buddhistic wisedom.

But, why the guru-like behaviour, fellow?

What does it bring us, or more important, yourself?
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Notices Sickscent has read a lot of selfhelp books, and has probably sniffed up some buddhistic wisedom.

But, why the guru-like behaviour, fellow?

What does it bring us, or more important, yourself?
 Quoting: Hermes 325714


No, haven't read a lot of self help books. I much rather prefer the science based books on consciousness over self help. A long time ago I read The Tao of Physics that really sparked my interest in 'buddhistic wisdom'. Then books like The Holographic Universe, The Elegant Universe, Paradigm Wars, Communion (anything ET related for that matter), Ken Wilber, Ralph Waldo Emerson. I guess you could say I am more interested in philosophical writings as my personal self-help library. Teilhard de Chardin, The Conscious Universe. etc.

I have experienced a lot in this life and I have found that the intelligence/sciences/philosophies in educated literature have helped me ground myself. Especially some of the experiences I've had in my life.

It brings us 'awareness' that reality is so much more than wake up, shower, go to work, go home, eat dinner, watch tv, go to bed society that we've become. So I stick some of my writings out there to try and get people to think. Wake them up. Most literature is hard for people to grasp because it can be so vague, or so uninteresting. Make things a little more interesting and people will seek to understand more. Once the seeking is underway, awareness is triggered. And awakening is just around the bend in the road.
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I have read most of those books too, sickscent.

But i dont feel the need to act like a guru. Whats the difference?
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I have read most of those books too, sickscent.

But i dont feel the need to act like a guru. Whats the difference?
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Why do you care? How am I supposed to know what motivates you or not. Why do you say I am acting like a guru? And I don't care if you read those books either. I present information. If you feel offended, don't read it.
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I have read most of those books too, sickscent.

But i dont feel the need to act like a guru. Whats the difference?
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Move along please. He's not attempting to sound like he is anyone special, or that you should listen to him. He presents what he knows, take it as you will, or not at all.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
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You seem just a tad bit bitter and cynical. First let me say that you do not understand the concepts of Service-to-Others and Service-to-Self. S-O is not to cow down to egocentric entities but to Serve for the greater good and advancement for the betterment of the human condition.

As far as the ubiquity of disinformation on the net. Yes, I agree that there is alot out there. But the disinfo and lies told can be revealed now. Much like Clinton's story about sniper fire in Bosnia. There are more sources now available to root out falsities than there has been in the past when what you were told by the media is what you believed, because there was no other sources for information gathering. So, I respectfully, but completely, disagree of your assessment that we cannot find truth easier thanks to the internet.

Also, you do not seem to realize that there is more than one reality. We are not all going to end up in the same place. Some humans will go one way, others will go another way. People stuck in the mindset of past traditions and beliefs will stay in that reality. The people that are opening up and feeling/experiencing the new realities now becoming available to us will travel different paths.

To each his own!
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Hi Sicksent - some good info in your original post.

Without being a dick, I'd like you to stop for a sec and reread what you posted - really reread - esp the first and third paragraphs. Just reread it, and ask yourself how it sounds to you.

Your heart is awesome, but that doesn't negate the fact that whoever authored what's quoted above is putting on some airs. Just a touch.

and just so it's in the public record, I will also add: There is nothing more barf-inducing than people ARGUING spirituality.

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You seem just a tad bit bitter and cynical. First let me say that you do not understand the concepts of Service-to-Others and Service-to-Self. S-O is not to cow down to egocentric entities but to Serve for the greater good and advancement for the betterment of the human condition.

As far as the ubiquity of disinformation on the net. Yes, I agree that there is alot out there. But the disinfo and lies told can be revealed now. Much like Clinton's story about sniper fire in Bosnia. There are more sources now available to root out falsities than there has been in the past when what you were told by the media is what you believed, because there was no other sources for information gathering. So, I respectfully, but completely, disagree of your assessment that we cannot find truth easier thanks to the internet.

Also, you do not seem to realize that there is more than one reality. We are not all going to end up in the same place. Some humans will go one way, others will go another way. People stuck in the mindset of past traditions and beliefs will stay in that reality. The people that are opening up and feeling/experiencing the new realities now becoming available to us will travel different paths.

To each his own!


Hi Sicksent - some good info in your original post.

Without being a dick, I'd like you to stop for a sec and reread what you posted - really reread - esp the first and third paragraphs. Just reread it, and ask yourself how it sounds to you.

Your heart is awesome, but that doesn't negate the fact that whoever authored what's quoted above is putting on some airs. Just a touch.

and just so it's in the public record, I will also add: There is nothing more barf-inducing than people ARGUING spirituality.

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Yeah, I hear what you are saying. I agree completely with you. I guess it is one of those issues that eventually arise when someone gets your goat. We're all human and far from perfect. Normally I don't let replies get to me, but sometimes you have a bad day, or are just in a mood for some reason and you have a need to get it out. That was one of my days! No excuses, it just happens sometimes. As long as it is recognized it can be turned into tool letting you know that there is always work to be done.

Thanks for the post!