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| Omega 
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4/6/2008 12:57 PM
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Holy shit, from the New York Times?????
Hunker down people, here it comes.....
[link to www.nytimes.com]
Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism
THE traditional face of survivalism is that of a shaggy loner in camouflage, holed up in a cabin in the wilderness and surrounded by cases of canned goods and ammunition.
It is not that of Barton M. Biggs, the former chief global strategist at Morgan Stanley. Yet in Mr. Biggs’s new book, “Wealth, War and Wisdom,” he says people should “assume the possibility of a breakdown of the civilized infrastructure.”
“Your safe haven must be self-sufficient and capable of growing some kind of food,” Mr. Biggs writes. “It should be well-stocked with seed, fertilizer, canned food, wine, medicine, clothes, etc. Think Swiss Family Robinson. Even in America and Europe there could be moments of riot and rebellion when law and order temporarily completely breaks down.”
Survivalism, it seems, is not just for survivalists anymore.
Faced with a confluence of diverse threats — a tanking economy, a housing crisis, looming environmental disasters, and a sharp spike in oil prices — people who do not consider themselves extremists are starting to discuss doomsday measures once associated with the social fringes.
They stockpile or grow food in case of a supply breakdown, or buy precious metals in case of economic collapse. Some try to take their houses off the electricity grid, or plan safe houses far away. The point is not to drop out of society, but to be prepared in case the future turns out like something out of “An Inconvenient Truth,” if not “Mad Max.”
“I’m not a gun-nut, camo-wearing skinhead. I don’t even hunt or fish,” said Bill Marcom, 53, a construction executive in Dallas.
Still, motivated by a belief that the credit crunch and a bursting housing bubble might spark widespread economic chaos — “the Greater Depression,” as he put it — Mr. Marcom began to take measures to prepare for the unknown over the last few years: buying old silver coins to use as currency; buying G.P.S. units, a satellite telephone and a hydroponic kit; and building a simple cabin in a remote West Texas desert.
“If all these planets line up and things do get really bad,” Mr. Marcom said, “those who have not prepared will be trapped in the city with thousands of other people needing food and propane and everything else.”
Interest in survivalism — in either its traditional hard-core version or a middle-class “lite” variation — functions as a leading economic indicator of social anxiety, preparedness experts said: It spikes at times of peril real (the post-Sept. 11 period) or imagined (the chaos that was supposed to follow the so-called Y2K computer bug in 2000).
At times, a degree of paranoia is officially sanctioned. In the 1950s, civil defense authorities encouraged people to build personal bomb shelters because of the nuclear threat. In 2003, the Department of Homeland Security encouraged Americans to stock up on plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal windows in case of biological or chemical attacks.
Now, however, the government, while still conducting business under a yellow terrorism alert, is no longer taking a lead role in encouraging preparedness. For some, this leaves a vacuum of reassurance, and plenty to worry about.
Esteemed economists debate whether the credit crisis could result in a complete meltdown of the financial system. A former vice president of the United States informs us that global warming could result in mass flooding, disease and starvation, perhaps even a new Ice Age.
“You just can’t help wonder if there’s a train wreck coming,” said David Anderson, 50, a database administrator in Colorado Springs who said he was moved by economic uncertainties and high energy prices, among other factors, to stockpile months’ worth of canned goods in his basement for his wife, his two young children and himself.
Popular culture also provides reinforcement, in books like “The Road,” Cormac McCarthy’s novel about a father and son journeying through a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and films like “I Am Legend,” which stars Will Smith as a survivor of a man-made virus wandering the barren streets of New York.
Middle-class survivalists can also browse among a growing number of how-to books with titles like “Dare to Prepare!” a self-published work by Holly Drennan Deyo, or “When All Hell Breaks Loose” by Cody Lundin (Gibbs Smith, 2007), which instructs readers how to dispose of bodies and dine on rats and dogs in the event of disaster.
Preparedness activity is difficult to track statistically, since people who take measures are usually highly circumspect by nature, said Jim Rawles, the editor of www.survivalblog.com, a preparedness Web site. Nevertheless, interest in the survivalist movement “is experiencing its largest growth since the late 1970s,” Mr. Rawles said in an e-mail, adding that traffic at his blog has more than doubled in the past 11 months, with more than 67,000 unique visitors per week. And its base is growing.
“Our core readership is still solidly conservative,” he said. “But in recent months I’ve noticed an increasing number of stridently green and left-of-center readers.”
One left-of-center environmentalist who is taking action is Alex Steffen, the executive editor of www.wWorldchanging.com, a Web site devoted to sustainability. With only slight irony, Mr. Steffen, 40, said he and his girlfriend could serve as “poster children for the well-adjusted, urban liberal survivalist,” given that they keep a six-week cache of food and supplies in his basement in Seattle (although they polished off their bottle of doomsday whiskey at a party).
He said the chaos following Hurricane Katrina served as a wake-up call for him and others that the government might not be able to protect them in an emergency or environmental crisis.
“The ‘where do we land when climate change gets crazy?’ question seems to be an increasingly common one,” said Mr. Steffen in an e-mail message, adding that such questions have “really gone mainstream.”
Many of the new, nontraditional preparedness converts are “Peakniks,” Mr. Rawles said, referring to adherents of the “Peak Oil” theory. This concept holds that the world will soon, or has already, reached a peak in oil production, and that coming supply shortages might threaten society. While the theory is still disputed by many industry analysts and executives, it has inched toward the mainstream in the last two years, as oil prices have nearly doubled, surpassing $100 a barrel. The topic, which was the subject of a United States Department of Energy report in 2005, has attracted attention in publications like The New York Times Magazine and The Wall Street Journal, and was a primary focus of “Megadisasters: Oil Apocalypse,” a recent History Channel special.
Another book, “The Long Emergency” (Atlantic Monthly Press, 2005), by James Howard Kunstler, an author and journalist who writes about economic and environmental issues, argues that American suburbs and cities may soon lay desolate as people, starved of oil, are forced back to the land to adopt a hardscrabble, 19th-century-style agrarian life.
Such fears caused Joyce Jimerson of Bellingham, Wash., a coordinator for a recycling-composting program affiliated with Washington State University, to make her yard an “edible garden,” with fruit trees and vegetables, in case supplies are threatened by oil shortages, climate change or economic collapse. “It’s all the same ball of wax, as far as I’m concerned,” she said.
Scott Troyer, an energy consultant in Sunnyvale, Calif., said he was spurred by discussions of peak oil — “it’s not a theory,” he said — and other energy concerns to remake his suburban house in anticipation of a petroleum-starved future. Mr. Troyer, 57, installed a photovoltaic electricity system, a pellet stove and a “cool roof” to reflect the sun’s rays, among other measures.
Mr. Troyer remains cautiously optimistic that Americans can wean themselves from oil through smart engineering and careful planning. But, he said, “the doomsday scenarios will happen if people don’t prepare.”
Some middle-class preparedness converts, like Val Vontourne, a musician and paralegal in Olympia, Wash., recoil at the term “survivalist,” even as they stock their homes with food, gasoline and water.
“I think of survivalists as being an extreme case of preparedness,” said Ms. Vontourne, 44, “people who stockpile guns and weapons, anticipating extreme aggression. Whereas what I’m doing, I think of as something responsible people do.
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
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Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 1:00 PM
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Asleep at the switch again woo woo's????
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Nothing Is True
User ID: 404939
4/6/2008 1:03 PM
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...busy hunkering down!!
Everything is permitted.. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408896
4/6/2008 1:04 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Asleep at the switch again woo woo's????
:Phead: Quoting: Omega
What amazes me is how some of my friends who used to think I was crazy
are now starting to prepare themselves. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 8077
4/6/2008 1:13 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Holy shit, from the New York Times?????
Hunker down people, here it comes.....
[ link to www.nytimes.com]
Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism
THE traditional face of survivalism is that of a shaggy loner in camouflage, holed up in a cabin in the wilderness and surrounded by cases of canned goods and ammunition.
It is not that of Barton M. Biggs, the former chief global strategist at Morgan Stanley. Yet in Mr. Biggs’s new book, “Wealth, War and Wisdom,” he says people should “assume the possibility of a breakdown of the civilized infrastructure.”
“Your safe haven must be self-sufficient and capable of growing some kind of food,” Mr. Biggs writes. “It should be well-stocked with seed, fertilizer, canned food, wine, medicine, clothes, etc. Think Swiss Family Robinson. Even in America and Europe there could be moments of riot and rebellion when law and order temporarily completely breaks down.”
Survivalism, it seems, is not just for survivalists anymore.
Faced with a confluence of diverse threats — a tanking economy, a housing crisis, looming environmental disasters, and a sharp spike in oil prices — people who do not consider themselves extremists are starting to discuss doomsday measures once associated with the social fringes.
They stockpile or grow food in case of a supply breakdown, or buy precious metals in case of economic collapse. Some try to take their houses off the electricity grid, or plan safe houses far away. The point is not to drop out of society, but to be prepared in case the future turns out like something out of “An Inconvenient Truth,” if not “Mad Max.”
“I’m not a gun-nut, camo-wearing skinhead. I don’t even hunt or fish,” said Bill Marcom, 53, a construction executive in Dallas.
Still, motivated by a belief that the credit crunch and a bursting housing bubble might spark widespread economic chaos — “the Greater Depression,” as he put it — Mr. Marcom began to take measures to prepare for the unknown over the last few years: buying old silver coins to use as currency; buying G.P.S. units, a satellite telephone and a hydroponic kit; and building a simple cabin in a remote West Texas desert.
“If all these planets line up and things do get really bad,” Mr. Marcom said, “those who have not prepared will be trapped in the city with thousands of other people needing food and propane and everything else.”
Interest in survivalism — in either its traditional hard-core version or a middle-class “lite” variation — functions as a leading economic indicator of social anxiety, preparedness experts said: It spikes at times of peril real (the post-Sept. 11 period) or imagined (the chaos that was supposed to follow the so-called Y2K computer bug in 2000).
At times, a degree of paranoia is officially sanctioned. In the 1950s, civil defense authorities encouraged people to build personal bomb shelters because of the nuclear threat. In 2003, the Department of Homeland Security encouraged Americans to stock up on plastic sheeting and duct tape to seal windows in case of biological or chemical attacks.
Now, however, the government, while still conducting business under a yellow terrorism alert, is no longer taking a lead role in encouraging preparedness. For some, this leaves a vacuum of reassurance, and plenty to worry about.
Esteemed economists debate whether the credit crisis could result in a complete meltdown of the financial system. A former vice president of the United States informs us that global warming could result in mass flooding, disease and starvation, perhaps even a new Ice Age.
“You just can’t help wonder if there’s a train wreck coming,” said David Anderson, 50, a database administrator in Colorado Springs who said he was moved by economic uncertainties and high energy prices, among other factors, to stockpile months’ worth of canned goods in his basement for his wife, his two young children and himself.
Popular culture also provides reinforcement, in books like “The Road,” Cormac McCarthy’s novel about a father and son journeying through a post-apocalyptic wasteland, and films like “I Am Legend,” which stars Will Smith as a survivor of a man-made virus wandering the barren streets of New York.
Middle-class survivalists can also browse among a growing number of how-to books with titles like “Dare to Prepare!” a self-published work by Holly Drennan Deyo, or “When All Hell Breaks Loose” by Cody Lundin (Gibbs Smith, 2007), which instructs readers how to dispose of bodies and dine on rats and dogs in the event of disaster.
Preparedness activity is difficult to track statistically, since people who take measures are usually highly circumspect by nature, said Jim Rawles, the editor of www.survivalblog.com, a preparedness Web site. Nevertheless, interest in the survivalist movement “is experiencing its largest growth since the late 1970s,” Mr. Rawles said in an e-mail, adding that traffic at his blog has more than doubled in the past 11 months, with more than 67,000 unique visitors per week. And its base is growing.
“Our core readership is still solidly conservative,” he said. “But in recent months I’ve noticed an increasing number of stridently green and left-of-center readers.”
One left-of-center environmentalist who is taking action is Alex Steffen, the executive editor of www.wWorldchanging.com, a Web site devoted to sustainability. With only slight irony, Mr. Steffen, 40, said he and his girlfriend could serve as “poster children for the well-adjusted, urban liberal survivalist,” given that they keep a six-week cache of food and supplies in his basement in Seattle (although they polished off their bottle of doomsday whiskey at a party).
He said the chaos following Hurricane Katrina served as a wake-up call for him and others that the government might not be able to protect them in an emergency or environmental crisis.
“The ‘where do we land when climate change gets crazy?’ question seems to be an increasingly common one,” said Mr. Steffen in an e-mail message, adding that such questions have “really gone mainstream.”
Many of the new, nontraditional preparedness converts are “Peakniks,” Mr. Rawles said, referring to adherents of the “Peak Oil” theory. This concept holds that the world will soon, or has already, reached a peak in oil production, and that coming supply shortages might threaten society. While the theory is still disputed by many industry analysts and executives, it has inched toward the mainstream in the last two years, as oil prices have nearly doubled, surpassing $100 a barrel. The topic, which was the subject of a United States Department of Energy report in 2005, has attracted attention in publications like The New York Times Magazine and The Wall Street Journal, and was a primary focus of “Megadisasters: Oil Apocalypse,” a recent History Channel special.
Another book, “The Long Emergency” (Atlantic Monthly Press, 2005), by James Howard Kunstler, an author and journalist who writes about economic and environmental issues, argues that American suburbs and cities may soon lay desolate as people, starved of oil, are forced back to the land to adopt a hardscrabble, 19th-century-style agrarian life.
Such fears caused Joyce Jimerson of Bellingham, Wash., a coordinator for a recycling-composting program affiliated with Washington State University, to make her yard an “edible garden,” with fruit trees and vegetables, in case supplies are threatened by oil shortages, climate change or economic collapse. “It’s all the same ball of wax, as far as I’m concerned,” she said.
Scott Troyer, an energy consultant in Sunnyvale, Calif., said he was spurred by discussions of peak oil — “it’s not a theory,” he said — and other energy concerns to remake his suburban house in anticipation of a petroleum-starved future. Mr. Troyer, 57, installed a photovoltaic electricity system, a pellet stove and a “cool roof” to reflect the sun’s rays, among other measures.
Mr. Troyer remains cautiously optimistic that Americans can wean themselves from oil through smart engineering and careful planning. But, he said, “the doomsday scenarios will happen if people don’t prepare.”
Some middle-class preparedness converts, like Val Vontourne, a musician and paralegal in Olympia, Wash., recoil at the term “survivalist,” even as they stock their homes with food, gasoline and water.
“I think of survivalists as being an extreme case of preparedness,” said Ms. Vontourne, 44, “people who stockpile guns and weapons, anticipating extreme aggression. Whereas what I’m doing, I think of as something responsible people do.
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
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awsome article. i,ve been doin things like this for years. stuff like this, keeps me locked in and interested. no matter how much anyone knows about something.you never know it all. always room to learn and enjoy. happy survializm! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 409221
4/6/2008 1:13 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
actually you are saving a lot of money by buying NOW, and stocking up...by this time next year, the price of food will be doubled and you will be glad you have some stocked, even if there isn't an emergency...it will save you money, you might need to put a tank of gas in your car. |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 1:16 PM
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Get your seeds in now folks!!!
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 1:19 PM
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Corrected link....
[link to www.nytimes.com]
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| astrolabe
User ID: 409540
4/6/2008 1:20 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
  Spot-on, Omega! Next to come, food riots & empty grocery stores. |
| wonbyOne
User ID: 165715
4/6/2008 1:20 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Repent and Pray would be the wiser plan, especially if life eternal is your goal.
Omega, you're sitting pretty on your land in the country although you are closer to Mexico than most. Whether your garden grows or not, depends solely on the favor of Almighty God. I hope you are praying for His favor.
All the prep in the world gives the most prepared no guarantees.
Many of us in the burbs do not have a hidng place, per se.
Those that "HAVE" will face the greater tests in times ahead - - I pray that you will gain wisdom and discernment in the lives of those you encounter and are able to help.
To whom much is given, much is required - - just sayin'.
Times ahead will be about community ... er, that is, our fellow man ... and God is in it all.
Love, baby.
Love is the greatest.
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| astrolabe
User ID: 409540
4/6/2008 1:22 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Asleep at the switch again woo woo's????
:Phead: Quoting: Omega
Penny sure does look purty... (wink) |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 324511
4/6/2008 1:23 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Excellent peak oil vid finally up on Google Video
THE END OF SUBURBIA: Oil Depletion and the Collapse of The American Dream
"We're literally stuck up a cul-de-sac in a cement SUV without a fill-up" - James Howard Kunstler
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 409596
4/6/2008 1:25 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
This is interesting. Having this in the mainstream media gives credence to ideas which have heretofore been considered as fringe.
In addition it gives "permission" to those who would normally reject the survivalist mentality if for no other reason than it would make them field "weird" and out of sink with their friends.
This could be good and bad. On the one hand people who have been on the edge will start to feel comfortable getting prepared. I would assume these would be more of the "thinking minority"
If more of the mainstream starts to carry stories like this it will get the attention of Joe and Joesephene Sixpack. At this point we could start to have frenzied runs or grocery stores and all could come tumbling down.
If I was orchestrating this I would introduce these concepts very gradually so as not to cause a stampede.
We truly are living the Chinese curse about "living in interesting times" |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 1:25 PM
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BTW I highly recommend Rawles book who was quoted in the article, here.
[link to www.rawles.to]
If you wanna read how bad it really could get, this book is an eye opener.....and a great read....
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 1:31 PM
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This is interesting. Having this in the mainstream media gives credence to ideas which have heretofore been considered as fringe.
In addition it gives "permission" to those who would normally reject the survivalist mentality if for no other reason than it would make them field "weird" and out of sink with their friends.
This could be good and bad. On the one hand people who have been on the edge will start to feel comfortable getting prepared. I would assume these would be more of the "thinking minority"
If more of the mainstream starts to carry stories like this it will get the attention of Joe and Joesephene Sixpack. At this point we could start to have frenzied runs or grocery stores and all could come tumbling down.
If I was orchestrating this I would introduce these concepts very gradually so as not to cause a stampede.
We truly are living the Chinese curse about "living in interesting times" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 409596
Nice commentary, and I agree. Gotta wonder what the hell is going down when the New York Times publishes a piece such as this......
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 405868
4/6/2008 1:34 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
BTW I highly recommend Rawles book who was quoted in the article, here.
[ link to www.rawles.to]
If you wanna read how bad it really could get, this book is an eye opener.....and a great read....
I bought and read that book....it really is an "how-to" type book...I think he also runs a survival blog that I visit daily:
[link to www.survivalblog.com]
Nothing but good info from this guy... |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 1:35 PM
| | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
BTW I highly recommend Rawles book who was quoted in the article, here.
[ link to www.rawles.to]
If you wanna read how bad it really could get, this book is an eye opener.....and a great read....
I bought and read that book....it really is an "how-to" type book...I think he also runs a survival blog that I visit daily:
[ link to www.survivalblog.com]
Nothing but good info from this guy...
Cool, and the screenplay for a movie based on the book is at the bottom of the link I provided, FYI.
Yeah I really liked the book.....I read it when it first came out and was free....
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 409200
4/6/2008 1:57 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Hunker down people, here it comes..... Quoting: Omega
Here comes what?? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 407930
4/6/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
By the time establishment owned media is telling you to prepare, its already too late. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 405868
4/6/2008 2:01 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
BTW I highly recommend Rawles book who was quoted in the article, here.
[ link to www.rawles.to]
If you wanna read how bad it really could get, this book is an eye opener.....and a great read....
I bought and read that book....it really is an "how-to" type book...I think he also runs a survival blog that I visit daily:
[ link to www.survivalblog.com]
Nothing but good info from this guy...
Cool, and the screenplay for a movie based on the book is at the bottom of the link I provided, FYI.
Yeah I really liked the book.....I read it when it first came out and was free....
Hey Omega, since I know what kind of "fiction" you like, you might take a look at this novel as it is being written, chapter by chapter...Every few days he posts more chapters.. It has a very Christian slant, but this guy is a Viet Nam vet and there are some good tactical concepts in it:
Overthrown - Death of America - Index
[link to www.stevequayle.com] |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 2:03 PM
| | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
BTW I highly recommend Rawles book who was quoted in the article, here.
[ link to www.rawles.to]
If you wanna read how bad it really could get, this book is an eye opener.....and a great read....
I bought and read that book....it really is an "how-to" type book...I think he also runs a survival blog that I visit daily:
[ link to www.survivalblog.com]
Nothing but good info from this guy...
Cool, and the screenplay for a movie based on the book is at the bottom of the link I provided, FYI.
Yeah I really liked the book.....I read it when it first came out and was free....
Hey Omega, since I know what kind of "fiction" you like, you might take a look at this novel as it is being written, chapter by chapter...Every few days he posts more chapters.. It has a very Christian slant, but this guy is a Viet Nam vet and there are some good tactical concepts in it:
Overthrown - Death of America - Index
[ link to www.stevequayle.com]
Cool man, I'll check it out, thanks for the link....
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Lester
User ID: 409615
4/6/2008 2:04 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
This poor woman hasn't got a clue...
If promises to pay remain viable, you don't really "need" what the article exhorts you to prepare for.
This is a wake-up call and many will hear it.
If just a few decide to prepare, it will impact the availability of goods and materiel. Just In Time inventories mean just in time for you not to be able to get any.... |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 2:06 PM
| | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
This poor woman hasn't got a clue...
If promises to pay remain viable, you don't really "need" what the article exhorts you to prepare for.
This is a wake-up call and many will hear it.
If just a few decide to prepare, it will impact the availability of goods and materiel. Just In Time inventories mean just in time for you not to be able to get any.... Quoting: Lester
Yeah a previous poster touched on this, if the MSM gets the word out there likely will be a run on goods....
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
_____________________________________________
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
_____________________________________
"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 256229
4/6/2008 2:09 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
And let simmer for about 1 and a half s. |
| Omega
Total Unequivocal Bad Fuckin' News
User ID: 340280
4/6/2008 2:16 PM
| | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Hunker down people, here it comes.....
Here comes what?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 409200
First a hyperinflationary depression.
Then a reset to zero deflationary death spiral.
Good luck.
Never underestimate the power of idiots in large groups.
-Omega
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America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to change the system from within, yet too early to shoot the bastards.
__Claire Wolfe
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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 405868
4/6/2008 2:27 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
This poor woman hasn't got a clue...
If promises to pay remain viable, you don't really "need" what the article exhorts you to prepare for.
This is a wake-up call and many will hear it.
If just a few decide to prepare, it will impact the availability of goods and materiel. Just In Time inventories mean just in time for you not to be able to get any.... Quoting: Lester
I have already gotten my wake-up call and have actually been doing what I can do over the last couple of years....But what I'm still not seeing enough of, are people who are absolutely ignorant of the real situation developing.
I've stored up food and ammo and all that kind of stuff and am doing my first ever garden (hard work!) and so forth...I'm just not seeing any of my neighbors doing anything! So rather than be prepared to kill everyone that might come knocking (best case), I've decided to store some bulk grain and corn and legumes to offer meals to any who might ask. It's really not all that expensive to make cornbread and beans, and it is good wholesome food. The idea is to offer ONE free meal, then they have to move along...Think this thinking is sound, or dangerous? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 409634
4/6/2008 2:33 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
"He said the chaos following Hurricane Katrina served as a wake-up call for him and others that the government might not be able to protect them in an emergency or environmental crisis."
I lived in the S.F. Bay area for over 20 years and always had the stockpile of food, water and other essentials for an earthquake. After experiencing Loma Prieta in '89, I realized it could be much worse the next time.
After seeing the lack of emergency response to Katrina, I decided I didn't need to risk being in the same situation when the Big One hit the Bay Area.
One of the things that started to be in the local news was the flooding that was expected from a large earthquake on the Hayward Fault. The flooding would come from dams on reservoirs being destroyed.
Dam inundation maps avaialble on the web showed large areas of the East Bay likely to be flooded. I had earthquake insurance but not flood insurance. After hearing about insurance claim nightmares from Katrina, I decided it was time to leave.
We sold the house for 500K, moved to Oregon and bought a rural place on an acre for 140K, where there's less than 4 million people in the whole state instead of in a few hundred square miles.
The thing to do to really prepare for the worst is to get the hell out of disaster prone areas and away from dense population.
Obviously this is if you can afford it. But at some point you have to ask yourself do I need to risk losing it all just have a little bit more? Do I have to have granite countertops, stainlesss steel appliances and cut stone travertine tile bathrooms with two sinks, steam shower, jetted tub and surround sound?
All the guns, ammo, and stockpiles of food and water ain't gonna do a bit of good when you are outnumbered 1000 to 1 or more by idiots who are unprepared, especially when the gubmint is nowhere in sight to prevent looting and mayhem. So your best bet is to reduce the number of idiots around you if you can afford to by moving to a less disaster prone, less densely populated area. |
| DALE GRIBBLE
User ID: 394011
4/6/2008 2:40 PM
 | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
The Yuppies think they need a GPS unit and Satellite Phone.
but if you have a yaesu ft857d on base you can communicate on many different bands and services. Sometimes I tease the local school bus drivers. Same with the pocket sized VX6r, and have no monthly charge.
Also I'd rather have a topo map and compass anyday... but that's just how I am...
Shit, a few low flying military jets just buzzed me, this never happens here... be back... OK, not sure what that was about but they came from west to east heading into wright pat at about 2000ft, damn near busted my ears...
Dale Out |
| Lester
User ID: 409615
4/6/2008 2:46 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
So, if you read the GLP front page, the economy is starting to go into the tank.
The Federal Reserve is making perpetual loans to banks, & brokerages totalling $38Billion per day!
Just think, GDP of The USA is estd at $15Trillion. Take Govt spending out of the equation, more like $8-10Trillion is actually generated.
Round up The Fed's loaning to $40B/day, and 220 business days per year; you are over non-Govt GDP!!!
You can't do business with people who don't have any money.
Your banks and brokers are broker than you are...
Time to get those skillsets in order.
Time to buy spare parts and store fuels.
Time to BE READY.
This Disneyland for Dummies will not be open much longer... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 12237
4/6/2008 2:52 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
This poor woman hasn't got a clue...
If promises to pay remain viable, you don't really "need" what the article exhorts you to prepare for.
This is a wake-up call and many will hear it.
If just a few decide to prepare, it will impact the availability of goods and materiel. Just In Time inventories mean just in time for you not to be able to get any....
I have already gotten my wake-up call and have actually been doing what I can do over the last couple of years....But what I'm still not seeing enough of, are people who are absolutely ignorant of the real situation developing.
I've stored up food and ammo and all that kind of stuff and am doing my first ever garden (hard work!) and so forth...I'm just not seeing any of my neighbors doing anything! So rather than be prepared to kill everyone that might come knocking (best case), I've decided to store some bulk grain and corn and legumes to offer meals to any who might ask. It's really not all that expensive to make cornbread and beans, and it is good wholesome food. The idea is to offer ONE free meal, then they have to move along...Think this thinking is sound, or dangerous? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 405868
i need a small warehouse to store my suvival things, yep a 15 thosand ft. warehouse or maybe one shoebox filled with stuff could do the trick, to fullfill my survival needs. you know this survival hobby is never quinched with things you think you need. never. thats why its such a fun hobby.toys toys toys. can,t get enough.  |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 405868
4/6/2008 2:55 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
The Yuppies think they need a GPS unit and Satellite Phone.
but if you have a yaesu ft857d you can
Shit, a few low flying military jets just buzzed me, this never happens here... be back... Quoting: DALE GRIBBLE
As I type this, I'm listening to my Yaesu VX7-R clipped onto my belt. It's a neat little radio and is easily modified for very wide band transmission...the thing will even pick up shortwave freqs...although not great reception with the rubber ducky antenna... |
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