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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 392839
4/7/2008 7:46 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
for those who don't understand what the starving masses will do for food, you should read "Night" by Elie Wiesel. He was in a concentration camp with his father. He loved his father but still sold him out for more bread.
Starving people become the most primal. There is no love to be found when looking for food. It took humankind many thousands of years to find "love" and even then, only a few get it. Love is a higher thought -- one that few can attain and even fewer still once starvation kicks in.
As much as I wish for love for all mankind, history and any visit to a mall shows that the "me" mentality will rule the day once starvation and depletion of supplies kick in. I have armed and prepared, wishing for the best, but knowing the primal instincts for food, procreation, and water will outweigh any higher mind ideals. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2312
Hence, Maslow's Hierachy of Needs:
Physiological Needs
These are biological needs. They consist of needs for oxygen, food, water, and a relatively constant body temperature. They are the strongest needs because if a person were deprived of all needs, the physiological ones would come first in the person's search for satisfaction.
Only THEN comes the following:
Safety Needs
Needs of Love, Affection and Belongingness
Needs for Esteem
Needs for Self-Actualization
What the heck...I went to nursing school. That explains selling the father out for food... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368888
4/7/2008 7:49 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Omega, great post.
We just bought 2.5 acres
The "soil" is all sand though.
I'm in Florida and my property is all sand.
I get cow manure from the local cattle ranch and till it into my soil
with 12-12-12 fertilizer...I dig trenches like Omega and plant in the mounds. Then I cover the mounds
with hay or straw, whatever is cheaper. The hay holds moisture in the soil.
I water daily and once the seedlings are up for a week I
fertilize with "miracle grow" once a week ...it comes in a powder that you mix with water while watering with a hose. Quoting: jbar
That's okay for now.
What happens when you have to rely on what you have at home. No picking up fertilizer, straw, or miracle grow. What happens when water is cut off and you can't use your hose to water your garden weekly, much less daily.
You might be able to use "green" manure from any animals on your property, but not everyone will be this lucky. You also might be lucky enough to have a well.
Just a thought. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 410633
4/7/2008 8:58 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Yeah, listen to the new-ager idiots. Don't bother with a garden or any type of preps, just love your starving homicidal neighbor and abundance will manifest itself.
LMFAO |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 368888
4/7/2008 9:17 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
What happens when you have to rely on what you have at home. No picking up fertilizer, straw, or miracle grow. What happens when water is cut off and you can't use your hose to water your garden weekly, much less daily.
You might be able to use "green" manure from any animals on your property, but not everyone will be this lucky. You also might be lucky enough to have a well.
Just a thought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368888
I meant everyone should have a garden now, but should think about how they did it in the old days. They didn't use fertilizer and were not able to water gardens.
I'm sure they did use manure. Maybe if you had chickens, you could use that for your gardens.
Plus a compost pile.
This will only be good for small garden, not acres. |
| jbar
User ID: 353526
4/7/2008 9:19 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Omega, great post.
We just bought 2.5 acres
The "soil" is all sand though.
I'm in Florida and my property is all sand.
I get cow manure from the local cattle ranch and till it into my soil
with 12-12-12 fertilizer...I dig trenches like Omega and plant in the mounds. Then I cover the mounds
with hay or straw, whatever is cheaper. The hay holds moisture in the soil.
I water daily and once the seedlings are up for a week I
fertilize with "miracle grow" once a week ...it comes in a powder that you mix with water while watering with a hose.
That's okay for now.
What happens when you have to rely on what you have at home. No picking up fertilizer, straw, or miracle grow. What happens when water is cut off and you can't use your hose to water your garden weekly, much less daily.
You might be able to use "green" manure from any animals on your property, but not everyone will be this lucky. You also might be lucky enough to have a well.
Just a thought. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 368888
Yep, have a well, too! Hand pump if need be and solar on the way... I've been living well below my means for years. Don't see any problems but getting soap. As it is I don't have heat in the winter. I do now what you all think you can do. Everything could crash tomorrow and I wouldn't care. Everyone thinks I'm crazy for living so below the radar but screw them. I have fun and that's all that matters.
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| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 409913
4/7/2008 9:33 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
I think as along as you are ruthless and only think of yourself you will be fine.
Personaly I think fishing skills will be more important than gardening skill, also a great knowledge of wild vegitation that you can eat in your area and wider area will serve you much better than a garden. America is full of hidden nutritioanl treasures, many roots of plants can be eaten, a lot of them can be eaten raw.
In my plans for a dooms day scenario involve mobility, not a stationary place to sit around growing vegetables, I would prey on people like that, you could sit and watch them screwing around in there garden for days or weeks, imobilize the gardener take his/her vegetables, clothes, weapons, ammo, reasources, on to the next one. |
| jbar
User ID: 353526
4/7/2008 9:56 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
I think as along as you are ruthless and only think of yourself you will be fine.
Personaly I think fishing skills will be more important than gardening skill, also a great knowledge of wild vegitation that you can eat in your area and wider area will serve you much better than a garden. America is full of hidden nutritioanl treasures, many roots of plants can be eaten, a lot of them can be eaten raw.
In my plans for a dooms day scenario involve mobility, not a stationary place to sit around growing vegetables, I would prey on people like that, you could sit and watch them screwing around in there garden for days or weeks, imobilize the gardener take his/her vegetables, clothes, weapons, ammo, reasources, on to the next one. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 409913
I'm a great fisherman...turtles, gators and ducks, too! Plenty of edible wild plants and water around here. As far as people like you preying on me...first you'd have to find my place before I find you...and you won't get near my compound without me knowing it. Unless your a smart, dark haired woman that can help me out, you'll be taking a dirt nap, my friend. Nothing worse than a little thief. People like me are ready for people like you and people like you are clueless. You'll see. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2312
4/7/2008 10:11 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
fishing skills will be great if you can find fish...during the great depression the river was so full with anglers there were hardly any fish left. This is what my Grandma told me. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 409913
4/7/2008 10:28 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
I'm a great fisherman...turtles, gators and ducks, too! Plenty of edible wild plants and water around here. As far as people like you preying on me...first you'd have to find my place before I find you...and you won't get near my compound without me knowing it. Unless your a smart, dark haired woman that can help me out, you'll be taking a dirt nap, my friend. Nothing worse than a little thief. People like me are ready for people like you and people like you are clueless. You'll see. Quoting: jbar
Predetors only attack other predetors for control of land, and the resources on it.
You can sit back and defend what you have, if that is all you are capable of.
I hope you got yourself some IR/Thermal vision kit, you will need it, because you can't defend yourself from what you can't see, you will also need a couple of buddies to keep watch whilst you sleep.
Also hope no troops stumble across your 'compound' and you fire off your last shot at what you think is an apple thief.
Fortune favours the bold, not the stagnant. |
| astrolabe
User ID: 312673
4/7/2008 10:40 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Yeah, listen to the new-ager idiots. Don't bother with a garden or any type of preps, just love your starving homicidal neighbor and abundance will manifest itself.
LMFAO Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410633
Yeah, you're right, AC 410633. You nailed it.
I've experienced up close and personal New-Ager lightworkers being demanding free-loaders.
You bet. And you won't ever hear a "thank-you" either. They always want "more"... and off the sweat of YOUR back, of course. Wasayo |
| Lester 
User ID: 410555
4/7/2008 11:24 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Here is a word Dorothea Montague received today from The Lord. It is on the subject at hand:
Great Tribulation is Coming-Dorothea Montague
Hearken to the voice of the Lord-Dorothea Montague
Apr 7, 2008
Great Tribulation is Coming
My beloved child...
Again you have encountered a boulder in your life (a third heart attack) but I have never left your side and have brought healing to you. I am preparing you for your mansion in the sky where you shall dwell forever with Me but I have yet some work for you to do on earth. You are aware of so many in your midst who need to be led unto Me. I will be with you and give you utterance to speak unto them.
You have just received a prophecy regarding an imminent crash of the economy of the western world and it is from Me and shall surely come to pass. Long ago I chose you as My end time handmaiden and I require you to warn My people to prepare for this event. I have spoken much to you, over the years, warnings for My people to prepare for the great tribulation of the last days. I have taught you much about how to prepare a storage of food and all things you would need to survive and I will require that you share it with as many of My people as possible.
I hear them saying, "What shall I do with my money?" and you need to tell them that they just need to seek Me and I will give them all direction. All My people who are obedient in serving Me I shall shelter under My wings and send them forth in missions for Me and return them again to My shelter.
So many of My people will say, 'I've heard this message so often and nothing has happened.' I tell you, My precious people, the time is now to prepare in every way you know how and I will help you.
Gather yourselves together in groups to share what I have spoken to each of you and work together to prepare for what is to come. Seek Me much in prayer and I will speak direction to each of you.
And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulationproduces perseverence, and perseverence character, and character hope. (Roman5:3,4)
Life is not about surviving; but about making your surrender unto God The Father. Not much time left.... |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 20203
4/8/2008 2:59 AM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
“I now think of storing extra food, water, medicine and gasoline in the same way I think of buying health insurance and putting money in my 401k,” she said. “It just makes sense.”
This poor woman hasn't got a clue...
If promises to pay remain viable, you don't really "need" what the article exhorts you to prepare for.
This is a wake-up call and many will hear it.
If just a few decide to prepare, it will impact the availability of goods and materiel. Just In Time inventories mean just in time for you not to be able to get any....
I have already gotten my wake-up call and have actually been doing what I can do over the last couple of years....But what I'm still not seeing enough of, are people who are absolutely ignorant of the real situation developing.
I've stored up food and ammo and all that kind of stuff and am doing my first ever garden (hard work!) and so forth...I'm just not seeing any of my neighbors doing anything! So rather than be prepared to kill everyone that might come knocking (best case), I've decided to store some bulk grain and corn and legumes to offer meals to any who might ask. It's really not all that expensive to make cornbread and beans, and it is good wholesome food. The idea is to offer ONE free meal, then they have to move along...Think this thinking is sound, or dangerous?
People will kill you for a small amount of food. People will DEFINITELY kill you, if there is a large amount of food.
I can just see it now... You telling them, "OK, move along now"... LOL... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 406158
they have to move on? where are they gonna go in a burned out, starved out ,bombed out world. wellcome to the new members of your family. people arn,t going to walk out your door blindly, into oblivion,when you have steaks and chicken in the cubboard. you just made new friends. don,t you know. yee-haaaaa!! |
| Prof-Rabbit
User ID: 148352
4/8/2008 4:28 AM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Yes because modern industrial civilization has been around for what, 200 years, therefore it must exist for a millenia. People predict the end because western civilization is unsustainable with exponentially growing population and finite resources. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 407930
Realistically there will be those who will starve for lack of knowing, the strong will take from the weak. The prepared fall in two broad categories, the protected enclave and the self sufficient loner or family, both use different methods of protection, the enclave by force of numbers (which can be overcome by a larger force) and the loner by being invisible.
Either way the rural sector will survive while the cities will die. |
| fieldolight
User ID: 411142
4/8/2008 3:58 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
For every story you can find about how cruel, selfish and vicious hungry people are, there many involving people who have endangered themselves (including sharing food) so others have a chance to live.
The poorest cities in India where people die in the streets from hunger have very low crime rates.
People aren't afraid of each other as they are in every major city in the US.
This is because we aren't all necessarily vicious and hateful....we have been trained thus.
There are worse things than dying or starving....a human soul can become lower than any animal by far, through their crimes against each other.
After which, they will die anyway and their crimes will accompany them into the next world.
turtles know: low profiles are best.
I like turtles! |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 411408
4/8/2008 11:17 PM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
Yes because modern industrial civilization has been around for what, 200 years, therefore it must exist for a millenia. People predict the end because western civilization is unsustainable with exponentially growing population and finite resources.
Realistically there will be those who will starve for lack of knowing, the strong will take from the weak. The prepared fall in two broad categories, the protected enclave and the self sufficient loner or family, both use different methods of protection, the enclave by force of numbers (which can be overcome by a larger force) and the loner by being invisible.
Either way the rural sector will survive while the cities will die. Quoting: Prof-Rabbit 148352
very well stated. 100% true. very good.  |
| !!!Seriusly speaking guy!!!
User ID: 411340
4/10/2008 11:56 AM | | Re: Duck and Cover: It’s the New Survivalism | Quote |
i have information of what will happen but since the type a succession is nesessary for human and the current planets possibilities i will only warn with the measures
fuel made of food will increase food prices
oil prices as known will increase when terrorists or any warring nation destroy oil supply routes
law and order will be more disorganized and distorted by
enemy spies Increasing ever inevitable civil wars and conflicts
key cities will be distroyed
factories will be destroyed leaving the human race in the stone age because of iliteracy
here are some of the reqiermeants for survival
1.Stable fertile land far or near that are unacessable or difficoult to access by any Unwanted personel
2.defensive ability usable supplies weapons knoledge guns ammunition multi use tools many caned provisions that do not need microwave also matterials such as
crazy glue
Alcohol
vine for medical uses
first aid kits
tools usefull for mechanical vehicle and home repairs
radio with many chanels for comunications with allies or information collecting
3.possesion of Armored Personel Carrier or any mobility
Literacy and survival knolegde. if had to say everything i would need a alotof time which i cant spend on this theme
the rest you can search on the internet or examine personaly
and information used by army and goverment.   |
| Evil Twin 
Forum Moderator
User ID: 412460
4/10/2008 11:59 AM
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3.possesion of Armored Personel Carrier Quoting: !!!Seriusly speaking guy!!! 411340
That would be handy.
This is my helmet. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
Gun control theory: Those who are willing to ignore the law and rights of others i.e. murder, robbery, rape etc. will obey a law which prohibits the posession of a firearm. |
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