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Everyone needs to move onto IPv6 if we want to maintain the web.
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Wow! Now we get to call each other "woo-woos" and "shills" 10,000 times faster!
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your internet speed is only as fast as the slowest part of the system.
Grid Internet with fiber right up to the top of your street then copper phone line to your door and to your pc = slow internet.
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The foxnews story on this today says CERN created the internet in 1989. WTF?? I'm pretty sure it was created about 20 years before that. Are they just talking website-wise or alltogether?
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CERN were the fist to implement a network of computers linked by an internet.
Maybe the Idea for such a think was thoght up before than i dont know.
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With everything going wi-fi would the fibre optic links simply not just terminate at local broadcast stations ??

IF this is true then consider the impact on every piece of electronic hardware - the mobile phone will never lose signal - the satnav will pinpoint your car on every journey so hello to pay per mile.

The need to own any personal computer will be negated as everyone will have a one piece ifu that will provide phone calls - television - "computer" access

The old Terminator movies come to mind. I wonder when this thing will become self aware and figure out we are not worth having around ?
Unsure(c) - Why i am uncertain - that's for sure !!!
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The DataGrid Project
[link to eu-datagrid.web.cern.ch]


"The Grid Physics Network, or GriPhoN, joins LIGO and the Sloan Digital Sky Survey with the Large Hadron Collider at CERN, the European accelerator laboratory. They form a computational and communications grid that ties together resources from the United States and Europe.

We expect that advances in developing petascale virtual data grids made in this project can be extended to other components of our nascent cyberinfrastructure.

Finally, we will see here how a networked system might bring data from all wavelengths and from ground and space-based telescopes to an international community of astronomers through a National Virtual Observatory.

Here we are watching the network at work - the integration of data from different wavelengths and from different telescopes, both in space and on the ground.

The virtual observatory will ultimately change the way science is done. For example, it will bring together the "separate wavelength cultures" and it will bring science to desktops around the globe.

These examples demonstrate that the demand for resources to archive, manipulate, and extract knowledge from databases is expanding at an accelerating rate."

Computing: Getting us on the Path to Wisdom
[link to www.nsf.gov]


"The LHC is being constructed at the CERN laboratory in Switzerland. The facility will consist of a superconducting particle accelerator providing two counter-rotating beams of protons, each with energies up to 7 TeV (7x1012 electron volts). ATLAS and CMS are being constructed to characterize the reaction products produced in the very high energy proton-proton collisions which will occur at intersection regions where the two beams collide. The LHC will enable a search for the Higgs particle, the discovery of which will be an important step in understanding the origin of mass of the known elementary particles, and will test the very successful Standard Model, which provides the existing framework for what is known about elementary particles and their interactions. The LHC will also enable a search for a new set of particles, predicted by a powerful theoretical framework known as supersymmetry, which will provide clues as to how the four known forces evolved from different aspects of the same "unified" force in the early universe.

The two LHC detectors will provide partially redundant and partially complementary information aimed at maximizing the chance of discovery. Both detectors will operate at extremely high data rates, which will push the state-of-the-art technology of electronic triggers, data acquisition, and data analysis. LHC experimenters in the U.S. are leading efforts to develop innovative "data grid" technologies that will allow them to analyze data from their own workstations as if they were at the LHC. Development of U.S. computational resources to fully exploit the opportunities that the LHC will present is currently being carried out with support provided through the Physics Subactivity within the Mathematics and Physical Sciences Activity."

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"LIGO, short for Laser Interferometry Gravity-Wave Observatory, is one of the newest arrows in our astronomical quiver. It is designed to search for gravity waves produced by colliding black holes or collapsing supernovae. LIGO will join with other gravity-wave observatories around the world to become more than the sum of its parts."

So we have the capability of detecting gravity waves and now with the CERN we will be able to produce them with the creation micro-blackholes!

And don't worry about black holes of this size swallowing up the planet... worse that could happen is that one would sink to the center of the planet and be consumed by the black hole already present there... just another drop in the bucket.
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Unsure(c):

Perhaps you will recall a 1970 film entitled, COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT?
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Re: Spawned from CERN Large Hadron Collider ---New "Grid" Internet to be 10,000 times faster than Broadband!
I've been thinking about the speeds they are proposing..

If we go by this:

"US FCC used 200 kbit/s in their definition until march 19th 2008 after which it was scaled up to require a minimum of 768 kbit/s to be defined as broadband."

768 x 10,000 is 7680000

7680000 kilobits = 937.5 Megabytes. And 937.5 Megabytes or 7500 Megabits of data per second is around about the speed they are proposing..

That's 7.3GB transfer rate onto HD.

Is there a HD that has that kind of capability yet?

Just wondering, I don't know personally.
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pf..CERN is nothing dangerous. This new internet is what is dangerous! it will be like SKYNET from T3: RISE OF THE MACHINES!! :P
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pf..CERN is nothing dangerous. This new internet is what is dangerous! it will be like SKYNET from T3: RISE OF THE MACHINES!! :P
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Whoa!! You just blew my mind, man!! I never even thought about that aspect!! beavis bump
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this news is 5 or 6 years ago, they have been talking about grid computing forever, even the ps3 was supposed to be part of its own grid network with the cell processor, software is the biggest hurdle
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Astrophysicist Replaces Supercomputer with Eight PlayStation 3s
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Re: Spawned from CERN Large Hadron Collider ---New "Grid" Internet to be 10,000 times faster than Broadband!
It looks like soon the game Second Live can become our (their) second Life.
Building your character online,uploading your brain and
id will probably done by the elite government,
if you are one of the chosen ones...
anf then ,if the hardware fits in a spaceship,
lift off.
Using the energy off the sun to keep our lifes running
for eternity.Or probably till the spaceship will be foound
by some extraterrestials,who then extract our virtual brains from the harddrive and place it into a new body.
And so the circle closes.

And so Bill Gates is right again...
A computer in every houshold (after the older generation passes over...)
and processing data by the speed of thought...

But anyway,dont you think,that after we enjoyed zhe first couple of online movies and online games,
they take away the sugar and start the hard stuff...?
It shouldnt be long now,that it is law to have an online id.
Everyone must have a proper email adress and must be available for headoffice 24/7.

Yes,Big Brother knows how to treat us well,doesnt he?
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Just HOW MUCH speed is necessary before people will be happy? IF web users were using this new 'extra' time for something useful... perhaps I could see the advantage. But most will simply squander away more of their life cruising around pointlessly and accomplishing little for their investment of time itself. When time may just be our most precious commodity.

Another point: the human brain can only process so much information at one time before it too crashes... so what's the point of blinding computer speeds? The same thing holds true of those deafening stereo installations foolish people haul around in their cars - their ears can only absorb so many frequencies- yet, they somehow think bigger [and louder] is better. Let me assure you: IT IS NOT!

Already there are new chips in developement that will allow users to receive communication feeds DIRECTLY into their brains - bypassing the optic nerve and inner ear and sending images/sound directly into our being. Of course, the chip will have to be implanted under the skin of the skull... Sound appealing? NOT for me.

It has been predicted by Ian Lungold that as we progress toward that fateful year 2012, technology would 'advance' at such an accelerated rate that people would simply be driven mad because they couldn't 'keep up' by comprehending all that will now be before them.

I think perhaps, Lungold may just be correct. In any event... we will SOON see!

People also seem to forget that the first word of the acronym, "A.I." is "artificial" -how many of you have eaten a food loaded with artificial sweeteners, colors, textures or flavors only to remark, "...that just doesn't taste right!..." That's because it's not REAL - just like 'artificial intelligence' it is phony, a recreation [frequently a POOR one] of the genuine article.

Already in our society we have multiple generations of people who cannot function WITHOUT a keyboard. They have little or no handwriting skills making their miserable scrawls undecipherable. They have "spell-check" so they don't even have to worry about grammar or syntax. Just punch those keys... or, better yet: create a NEW truncated form of communication through texting! Why use WHOLE words when you can just hint at your thoughts through abbreviations... after all: IT'S FASTER!!!

Is THIS really what we want for our future? A civilisation PHYSICALLY linked to a computer system? If you worry now about how your life would be affected if your computer crashed... consider the impact if you were walking around with an implant behind your ear that suddenly went dead. In a world of beings no longer capable of thinking for themselves the puppetmasters will have shortened their controlling strings to a simple flip of a switch.

SO: is THIS really what you want for our future? A group of cyber-zombies at the mercy of technology? Once again: not for me.
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sorry man, but youre starting to sound like the people who said the sound barrier couldnt be broken. human beings are remarkably adaptable and capable of incredible things.
im twenty. very computer literate. impeccable handwriting (although i know i may be in the minority).

if you have a problem with our language changing, maybe you should look throughout history for an unchanged language. good luck. most of them are dead. english for example went through an upheaval in terms of syntax, grammar, and even pronunciation of vowels between the 1200's and 1600's. if youre scared of change, go hide underground and wait to die. if youre interested in living life, open you eyes and your mind to the scope of the world around you.
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I'm happy, CERN is making these new things and not some US-military organizations, which just aim to take control of anything, while CERN always stands for total freedom of information exchange, without any control.

cern.ch
the place where the internet was born 17 years ago.
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Before man went 100 miles per hour, Experts said that it would kill him to go that fast. Then they said that a human would "perish" breaking the sound barrier.

The really smart ones said that setting off an atomic bomb would cause an "out of control" chain reaction and destroy the planet.

It looks like we have a lot of Experts here at GLP who know all about this new technology.

In another couple of dozen years after this new "10,000 times faster than Broadband" thingie happens, someone will invent something that makes this obsolete and will be 10,000 times even faster. The GLP "Doom" Experts will say how it will kill us all.

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this is a pinned thread bumptard.
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Before man went 100 miles per hour, Experts said that it would kill him to go that fast. Then they said that a human would "perish" breaking the sound barrier.

The really smart ones said that setting off an atomic bomb would cause an "out of control" chain reaction and destroy the planet.

It looks like we have a lot of Experts here at GLP who know all about this new technology.

In another couple of dozen years after this new "10,000 times faster than Broadband" thingie happens, someone will invent something that makes this obsolete and will be 10,000 times even faster. The GLP "Doom" Experts will say how it will kill us all.

alone

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yup..
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I've been thinking about the speeds they are proposing..

If we go by this:

"US FCC used 200 kbit/s in their definition until march 19th 2008 after which it was scaled up to require a minimum of 768 kbit/s to be defined as broadband."

768 x 10,000 is 7680000

7680000 kilobits = 937.5 Megabytes. And 937.5 Megabytes or 7500 Megabits of data per second is around about the speed they are proposing..

That's 7.3GB transfer rate onto HD.

Is there a HD that has that kind of capability yet?

Just wondering, I don't know personally.
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wtf


there are 8 BITS in a BYTE
768kbit/s is 768000 bits a second or 96000KB/s.
The fastest broadband i can get in the UK is 8MBit if i live next door to the local hub, and that equates to 1 Mega Byte per second.
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bsflag

here let me be the first.

This story is nothing more than fluff reporting on their
major purchase of lots of computing/networking crap. ie
who cares. It will change nothing.
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OMG

John Titor right again



Now if we can only get the 2008 boycotted 5a
The revolution will being (that was supposed to happen in 2005)

God Damn quantum parallel Universes!!! 5a
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[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Superfast internet may replace world wide web
By Lewis Carter
Last Updated: 2:47am BST 07/04/2008



The internet could soon be made obsolete by a new "grid" system which is 10,000 times faster than broadband connections.

Web could collapse as video demand soars
Scientists in Switzerland have developed a lightning-fast replacement to the internet that would allow feature films and music catalogues to be downloaded within seconds.

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The invention could signal the end of the dreaded 'frozen screen', when computers seize up after being asked to process too much information.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the internet, the grid could also provide the power needed to send sophisticated images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technology could change society.

He said: "With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine."

The power of the grid will be unlocked this summer with the switching on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a new particle accelerator designed to investigate how the universe began.

The grid will be turned on at the same time to store the information it generates, after scientists at Cern, based near Geneva, realised the internet would not have the capacity to capture such huge volumes of data.

The grid has been built with fibre optic cables and modern routing centres, meaning there are no outdated components to slow the deluge of data, unlike the internet.

There are 55,000 grid servers already installed, a figure which is expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.

Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the grid project, said: "We need so much processing power, there would even be an issue about getting enough electricity to run the computers if they were all at Cern.

"The only answer was a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research centres in other countries."

Britain has 8,000 servers on the grid system, meaning access could be available to universities as early as this autumn.
 Quoting: Skeptical Believer


Since when did CERN "invent" the internet. It was invented by the Pentagon. And the WWW was invented by a guy in Belgium. More EU history revisioning.
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Man dey dont need ta do all at buuuullllshit, all theyz got to do is plug my new cpu up to that muh f cuz i just got this bitrch from best buy man shiiiit. hell yeah man its fast as hell thats all they need aint no blowin up the universe n lal at shit man come on int worth it at all

then again if i can get dat new snowman album in like 2 sec flat shit thats cool with me a mean we all gotsa die somedayu he who fear death is in denial thats true you betta recognize whats up. life abougt makin chances and choices my friend take it from somebody with uh yeah a litttle more experience and knowlege than you thats me. ok so just make sure you guys got your priorities straight. knowlege is power never forget that, yall wanna keep up with me then just listen maybe one day yall can understand on the level im at. just listen to mme i wont let you down

peace and tranquilitiy
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read Angels and Demons the Dan Brown book prior to DaVinci Code...it will give you a pespective on science vs religion. That's what this CERN reminds me of....
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psshh... I guess...
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408328:

You're just a mere child in the grand scheme of things, and as such have ALOT of learning to do before you catch up to a man such as myself [who is nearly three times your age].

I'd also be interested in hearing anyone here [yeah: that's YOU, PACNWGUY] who can verify that people were running around frightened by pilots surpassing the sound barrier... maybe in the back hills someplace where indoor plumbing was still a novelty... but certainly NOT in any metro area. That's just more bullshit propagated by people who never lived in the period they claim to remember. I do clearly remember the mid-1950's and at that point in time Americans were very excited about the prospects of advanced flight [I grew up surrounded by the aviation industry here in Wichita KS] and fear most certainly was not uttered in hushed tones on streetcorners. BTW: science may very well alter EVERYTHING surrounding us in the next 'couple of dozen years'... but, we've got to GET there, first! And, at the moment the prospect doesn't look too encouraging.

At no time did I state I was afraid of ANY technology, but rather suggested a plausible scenario where the future is already taking people such as yourself - who've never had the benefit of seeing a world that had NOT been touched by the computer age. So: let me appraise you of something significant: for every 'advancement' of technology you are SACRIFICING another as a human being. I hope you're supremely tranquil when you are no longer a name, or a face but a barcode... because you're already very close even today. Why do you think so many people of your generation are walking around with non-traditional names? It's not rooted in the mere 'creativity' of their parents. It's because their parents fear without some unique appellation their children will be lost in the techo-shuffle and be reduced prematurely to nothing more than a binary string.

Neither did I challenge that language is constantly evolving... but truncating words and phrases for the mere convenience of tapping them into a tiny little handheld box does NOT constitute any form of communicative evolution - it is merely a form of electronic slang - and, slang always has been and always will be a mere bastardization of genuine spoken and written language.

And: to those who claim that this current technological explosion is the same as the atomic bomb development of my generation... you are dead WRONG! You could easily combine the victims of all the bombs dropped in all the wars since you've been alive and they won't even come close to the number of people's lives that the internet impacts DAILY.

But, keep tapping away at your keyboards -whether on your desk or in your hand- because soon enough we'll find out who is correct in this little sociological debate: you or I.
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I think it means we are going to go out with a blaze of glory!

Do not be surprised to wake up one day and find our planet imploding. Thanks to all those in Switzerland wanting to 'play God'.

In the meantime, eat, drink and be merry, and fornicate like rabbits - before the big bang happens!!
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I don't care what any one says.. black holes are not something you brush off or label as trivial. One experiment involves simulating conditions moments before the big-bang.

This isn't something to play around with and I for one am pissed that they'd be allowed to carry out such an experiment with so many variables and only a few theories manipulated to look like facts.. it's phuking retarded & extremely irresponsible.

Listen to yourselves.. all fucked up over faster porn. What a bunch of ignorant assholes.
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I agree, agree, agree!!!!!

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