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"chemtrails" explained/debunked once and for all

 
Barry M. Sprayer
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"chemtrails" explained/debunked once and for all
From references listed on Wikipedia:

"...The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years have caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what conspiracy theorists remember contrails "used to look like"... the people behind the conspiracy would breathe the same air the population breathes, so any harm inflicted on the population would also be inflicted on those in charge of the conspiracy...To do this would require the cooperation and silence of a large number of low level employees of fuel/airline companies (either in the capacity of the contaminator or allowing the contamination to take place)..."
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thats that bullshiitt
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LOL.

You call THAT debunking.
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04/08/2008 01:35 PM
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That's why they interact with the ionosphere and manipulate the weather heh, Stanford University created a program just before this phenomenon occured, its right alongside HWY 280!
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That's why they interact with the ionosphere and manipulate the weather heh, Stanford University created a program just before this phenomenon occured, its right alongside HWY 280!
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Now post your evidence that's what all the jetliners you're superstitious about are doing.
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04/08/2008 02:09 PM
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I love how people reference Wikipedia as the source of "facts". It's a joke of a site with a lot of bad info thrown in everywhere. What you read could very well have been submitted by a five year old.
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04/08/2008 02:10 PM
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I never once have see you so called debunkers have anything to say as a counter argument of what insiders have said regarding this subject and i have looked far and wide for some good debunking.I do not believe it exists.You have seemed to have all ready started with the assumption that it is commercial airliners which is a common propaganda tool of so called debunkers.If the military is doing it would be normal for them to do their job and not ask questions or do any critical thinking.besides they may not even know exactly the full scope of their mission.i worked with someone in the air force that told me this is real that has more credibility than you will ever have.
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04/08/2008 02:11 PM
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From references listed on Wikipedia:

"...The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years have caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what conspiracy theorists remember contrails "used to look like"... the people behind the conspiracy would breathe the same air the population breathes, so any harm inflicted on the population would also be inflicted on those in charge of the conspiracy...To do this would require the cooperation and silence of a large number of low level employees of fuel/airline companies (either in the capacity of the contaminator or allowing the contamination to take place)..."
 Quoting: Barry M. Sprayer 411002


No. Not even close to reality.

Go ahead and link me something with the differences between turbofan and turbojet exhaust, if you can find any. Would you also like to substantiate how it "would require a large number of low level employees of fuel/airline companies"? Do you have any direct knowledge of any of this, or did you just find a nice quote on a wikipedia talk page that you thought might cause our whole argument to come crashing down?
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04/08/2008 02:18 PM
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I love how people reference Wikipedia as the source of "facts". It's a joke of a site with a lot of bad info thrown in everywhere. What you read could very well have been submitted by a five year old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394819


Yes, because there are real factual sites out there like YouTube and Zetatalk....that's where we need to get our science/data from. ;)
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"...The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years have caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what conspiracy theorists remember contrails "used to look like"...
 Quoting: Barry M. Sprayer 411002


Greetings,

Well this is quite misleading. EGT varies from one wing to another and generally is a direct result of the deterioration of the gas path.

A turbofan IS a turbojet but adds a Fan Module. It is a simple matter of bypass which increases thrust without an increase in fuel.
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04/08/2008 04:13 PM
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Greetings,

Well this is quite misleading. EGT varies from one wing to another and generally is a direct result of the deterioration of the gas path.

A turbofan IS a turbojet but adds a Fan Module. It is a simple matter of bypass which increases thrust without an increase in fuel.
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Exactly correct.
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04/08/2008 06:12 PM
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A turbofan IS a turbojet but adds a Fan Module. It is a simple matter of bypass which increases thrust without an increase in fuel.


Exactly correct.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 212026


So? So what? You have your exact historical reason why contrails "don't look the same" to you.
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I love how people reference Wikipedia as the source of "facts". It's a joke of a site with a lot of bad info thrown in everywhere. What you read could very well have been submitted by a five year old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 394819


So if a 5 year old submits an airforce website, it's not valid because of who submitted it??! This is just more of your GLARING schizoid thought processes.
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04/08/2008 06:16 PM
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I never once have see you so called debunkers have anything to say as a counter argument of what insiders have said regarding this subject and i have looked far and wide for some good debunking.I do not believe it exists.
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I thought it was quite clear. It explained why contrails look different than you allege that you 'remember'(even though you're just some kid with ADDHD), it explained what was stupid about believing in a weapon that would harm the deployer as well as the victim, etc. You're just mentally ill. Go take your SSRI
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Go ahead and link me something with the differences between turbofan and turbojet exhaust, if you can find any.
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Just google "wikipedia +chemtrails", it's right there, retard.
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bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag
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04/08/2008 08:40 PM
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I never once have see you so called debunkers have anything to say as a counter argument of what insiders have said regarding this subject and i have looked far and wide for some good debunking.I do not believe it exists.



I thought it was quite clear. It explained why contrails look different than you allege that you 'remember'(even though you're just some kid with ADDHD), it explained what was stupid about believing in a weapon that would harm the deployer as well as the victim, etc. You're just mentally ill. Go take your SSRI
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411240


So...still no facts then? I would stay to argue this one out, but the crazy quota on this thread has been met already.
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04/08/2008 08:47 PM
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Re: "chemtrails" explained/debunked once and for all
I never once have see you so called debunkers have anything to say as a counter argument of what insiders have said regarding this subject and i have looked far and wide for some good debunking.I do not believe it exists.



I thought it was quite clear. It explained why contrails look different than you allege that you 'remember'(even though you're just some kid with ADDHD), it explained what was stupid about believing in a weapon that would harm the deployer as well as the victim, etc. You're just mentally ill. Go take your SSRI


So...still no facts then? I would stay to argue this one out, but the crazy quota on this thread has been met already.
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I believe it said "Just google "wikipedia +chemtrails", it's right there, retard."
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You can't win with facts, OP. Whoever started this conspiracy is well dug-in now, with lots of bullcrap sites to link to, posted by the gods of their religion, William Thomas and Clifford Carnicom. Facts do have some limited effect, but they usually try to bury them in rhetoric and name-calling.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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04/08/2008 09:31 PM
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Re: "chemtrails" explained/debunked once and for all
You can't win with facts, OP. Whoever started this conspiracy is well dug-in now, with lots of bullcrap sites to link to, posted by the gods of their religion, William Thomas and Clifford Carnicom. Facts do have some limited effect, but they usually try to bury them in rhetoric and name-calling.
 Quoting: The Guy



That's right Little Buddy, but I think the real question is who was hotter, Ginger or Maryanne?

;-)
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That's right Little Buddy, but I think the real question is who was hotter, Ginger or Maryanne?

;-)
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Oh, Maryanne, hands down! Then again, I am kinda partial to brunettes...
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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Hey OP, WikiPedia is hardly a reliable source of content. Look somewhere else, and study up on the facts before you go bleating to the informed - who in all likelihood, will shoot you down in flames.. literally..
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I see. And where does the fact that barium and aluminum particulates are being found in increased concentrations in human hair AND the environment. BTW its also interesting to note that I still see contrails like contrails are supposed to be, along with chemtrail emitting planes on the same day in the same part of the sky. The chem planes are NOT flying in the standard air paths as the commercial jets (their path is just SE of me which I see regularly), and I have witnessed a dozen chem paths originating from beyond the horizon and blanket the sky above with dripping, oily chem clouds. I have seen days of sparkling clear blue skys, only to see the chems suddenly appear to fill the sky with particulates when the chance of rain is spoken of on the news. I have seen the rain falling high in the sky only to be cut off as if with a knife and no rain falls to the ground.

I have read the reports, the analysis, I have seen the red rust in the water troughs of my animals and in the bird baths. I have seen the sickly red gelatanous growth in old cans that collected the contaminated water from the skys.

Debunk all you want and sleep your quiet safe sleep of the deaf and blind. TPTB need sheeple like you for you make good and docile servants.
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That's right Little Buddy, but I think the real question is who was hotter, Ginger or Maryanne?

;-)


Oh, Maryanne, hands down! Then again, I am kinda partial to brunettes...
 Quoting: The Guy


Me too. Funny story, "Professor" and Maryanne did a show at a prison, and the convicts snubbed her and demanded to see Professor - the only contest she ever lost lol. I'm not sure I'm conviced it's true, but it was a funny story, especially when Professor declared it was the last Prison show he would ever do lol.
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I love how people reference Wikipedia as the source of "facts". It's a joke of a site with a lot of bad info thrown in everywhere. What you read could very well have been submitted by a five year old.
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EXACTLY!
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Hey OP, WikiPedia is hardly a reliable source of content. Look somewhere else, and study up on the facts before you go bleating to the informed - who in all likelihood, will shoot you down in flames.. literally..
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Let's see you try, ass-hat
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Re: "chemtrails" explained/debunked once and for all
From references listed on Wikipedia:

"...The changeover from turbojet to turbofan engines over the last twenty years have caused differences in the style and temperature of jet exhaust, resulting in a different appearance from what conspiracy theorists remember contrails "used to look like"... the people behind the conspiracy would breathe the same air the population breathes, so any harm inflicted on the population would also be inflicted on those in charge of the conspiracy...To do this would require the cooperation and silence of a large number of low level employees of fuel/airline companies (either in the capacity of the contaminator or allowing the contamination to take place)..."
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lame
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I see. And where does the fact that barium and aluminum particulates are being found in increased concentrations in human hair AND the environment.
 Quoting: Gaia Child 77197


Cite your evidence or stfu. It's not my fault you're too stupid to know that goop will grow in non-sterile tin-cans you left out to collect rain water and fester for a week. What a dope.
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Here is a great video of very odd chemtrails from a guy in the UK.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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04/08/2008 10:23 PM
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Re: "chemtrails" explained/debunked once and for all
A turbofan IS a turbojet but adds a Fan Module. It is a simple matter of bypass which increases thrust without an increase in fuel.


Exactly correct.


So? So what? You have your exact historical reason why contrails "don't look the same" to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411240



Yes,

I am getting older and the eyes ain't what they used to be.


LOL