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Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2008 1:42 PM
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A polygamous community in Texas that follows the teaching of The Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints practices pedophilia, torture and child abuse under the guise of a religion, according to a woman who escaped the sect with her eight children five years ago.
“I think it’s a form of pedophilia hiding behind a religion as a protection,” Carolyn Jessop told TODAY’s Matt Lauer from Salt Lake City on Tuesday. “There’s just a desire to control and manipulate and torture people, and religion is just used as the cover.”
The sect Jessop escaped is the same one in Eldorado, Texas, that was raided on Monday by state police after a 16-year-old girl called authorities to report that she was being abused. The girl reported that other girls as young as 14 were being forced into plural marriages with much older men.
Police removed 401 children and 133 women from the compound on warrants issued by a judge, who deemed them to be under imminent danger of physical abuse.
Jessop said it took enormous courage for the girl to call police, who still aren’t sure if she is among those removed from the compound.
“It would take courage that’s even beyond what I could comprehend,” she told Lauer. “She could not run the risk of being caught. She would have just to have gotten to the point where she would rather be dead than to continue living the way she was living. It would have had to have been that extreme for her, because those are literally some of the risks she was taking.”
When Jessop was a member of the sect, it was centered in Colorado City, Ariz., on the Utah border. The 1,700-acre Texas compound was built after she left. The sect’s leader, Warren Jeffs, was sentenced to 10 years in prison last September after being found guilty of two counts of first-degree accomplice rape for sanctioning the forced marriage of a 14-year-old girl to her 19-year-old cousin.
The 40-year-old Jessop was 18 when she was forced to marry Merril Jessop, who is said to have taken over leadership of the sect when Jeffs went to prison. Merril Jessop was 50 at the time of the marriage and had three other wives. She said from what she has heard and read, the sect has become even more restrictive since moving to Texas.
She has written a book about her experience entitled “Escape,” and in it, she talks about being totally cut off from the world and not being allowed to watch television or read newspapers or magazines.
“Everything you did was monitored and controlled and everybody reported on everyone else,” she said. “It was a police state. You were not allowed to make decisions in your life. I had no power over my life or the lives of my children. It was a terrible way to live.”
The alleged control began in infancy.
“The method he would use with infants was a form of water torture,” Jessop said of her former husband. “He would spank the baby until it was screaming out of control, and then he would hold the baby faceup under a tap of running water so it couldn’t breathe. He would do this repeatedly. Sometimes, it would go on for an hour, until the baby was so exhausted it couldn’t cry anymore. This method he called ‘breaking them.’”
To a child, the abuse becomes normal, she said, and resistance becomes unthinkable to most. “With this level of mind control, it’s something you’re born into and it’s generational. The babies born into this, they don’t stand a chance from the beginning,” she said.
What prompted her to leave was what she saw as a threat to her daughter.
“It was getting worse every year,” she said of the level of control and abuse. “That’s one of the things for me where I felt so urgent to get out was that my daughter was turning 14, and Warren was resetting the marrying age at that point to 14. This was in 2003.”
She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.”
The fundamentalist group claims to hold to the original teachings of Joseph Smith, who founded the Mormon religion in rural upstate New York in 1830. It is not recognized by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which renounced plural marriage in 1904 under pressure from the federal government.
There are a number of fundamentalist branches with compounds in Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Mexico and Texas, according to Jon Krakauer’s book, “Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith.”
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2008 1:47 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Thank you. This is the answer to the fucking idiot that asked why they took the children out of the compound. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 411054
4/8/2008 1:48 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Infant water torture. This guy belongs in Guatanamo. On the receiving end.
They have all these kids and go on welfare (who can support huge broods of kids by multiple wives ?) so really our tax dollars are paying for this toxic shit. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
4/8/2008 1:51 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Thank you. This is the answer to the fucking idiot that asked why they took the children out of the compound. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011
thats why i posted we are women some of us dont like being treated like shit  |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 328162 (OP)
4/8/2008 1:52 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Infant water torture. This guy belongs in Guatanamo. On the receiving end.
They have all these kids and go on welfare (who can support huge broods of kids by multiple wives ?) so really our tax dollars are paying for this toxic shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411054
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284011
4/8/2008 1:54 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Thank you. This is the answer to the fucking idiot that asked why they took the children out of the compound.
thats why i posted we are women some of us dont like being treated like shit
Yes, well...it seems to be typical behavior around here for men to defend criminals. It's deplorable that they just circle the wagons to defend a man no matter what he did. |
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King Neptune
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4/8/2008 1:55 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Infant water torture. This guy belongs in Guatanamo. On the receiving end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411054
Better yet, naked in Compton or the Bronx, with a sign over his shoulders like Bruce Willis was wearing in Die Hard that says "I hate..."
You have a gift save the ones you can. |
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markusmaximus
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4/8/2008 1:55 PM
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She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162
In the name of the Father, the Son...
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2008 1:58 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.”
In the name of the Father, the Son... Quoting: markusmaximus
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284011
4/8/2008 1:59 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.”
In the name of the Father, the Son... Quoting: markusmaximus
But Jesus told me to do it... |
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King Neptune
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4/8/2008 2:01 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Bend over! Why? Because Jesus said so.
 
The Matrix is all around you Neo....when you go to church...
You have a gift save the ones you can. |
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Duncan Kunz 
The Debunker King
User ID: 10104
4/8/2008 2:08 PM
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The fundamentalist group claims to hold to the original teachings of Joseph Smith, who founded the Mormon religion in rural upstate New York in 1830. It is not recognized by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which renounced plural marriage in 1904 under pressure from the federal government.
There are a number of fundamentalist branches with compounds in Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Mexico and Texas, according to Jon Krakauer’s book, “Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith.”
[ link to www.msnbc.msn.com]
I met Carolyn Jessop through a mutual friend, a non-LDS woman who was part of the "underground railroad" in 2002-2005, helping the kids (mostly teenage boys who were kicked out as potential rivals).
Carolyn has not had an easy life since leaving the Colorado City enclave; she got into strange relationships, was into drugs, etc. But it's not surprising, given that she had no "street smarts" at all. She is a brave, although somewhat abrasive, person who deserves a lot of respect.
Unfortunately, Jessop has a hard-on for all Mormons, including the mainstream church, even though they are very anti-FLDS. Mormons look at the fundies the same way people like me look at ass-hole bikers who give the rest of us a bad name.
I've been to Ngiwal AND Melekeok! |
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Godot
User ID: 262319
4/8/2008 2:10 PM
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When the government is done with its work on this evil LDS group they need to turn to a much larger and far more sinister religious cult that is also filled with child abusers.
CLEARLY, If you're a member of this evil cult you will also need to have your children removed from your home and made wards of the state.
G
The National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People
Here are a few of the highlights.
US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.
About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.
Individuals making accusations: 10,667.
Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.
Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).
Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.
Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)
It should be noted that 30% of all accusations were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated or because the accused priest is dead.
[link to www.priestsofdarkness.com]
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408492
4/8/2008 2:12 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
“The method he would use with infants was a form of water torture,” Jessop said of her former husband. “He would spank the baby until it was screaming out of control, and then he would hold the baby faceup under a tap of running water so it couldn’t breathe. He would do this repeatedly. Sometimes, it would go on for an hour, until the baby was so exhausted it couldn’t cry anymore. This method he called ‘breaking them.’” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162
This is a Satanic/Illuminati method, to wit: Svali, whom no one knows where she is anymore. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284011
4/8/2008 2:12 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
I met Carolyn Jessop through a mutual friend, a non-LDS woman who was part of the "underground railroad" in 2002-2005, helping the kids (mostly teenage boys who were kicked out as potential rivals). Quoting: Duncan Kunz
Wow, that is so interesting. The old men don't want any competition, huh? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 408492
4/8/2008 2:15 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
MORE SORRY ASS MEN manipulating! There are good men, but they really have to be looked for and even then, if they are led to believe that they are good become tarnished with ego. |
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Godot
User ID: 262319
4/8/2008 2:16 PM
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When the government is done with its work on this evil LDS group they need to turn to a much larger and far more sinister religious cult that is also filled with child abusers.
CLEARLY, If you're a member of this evil cult you will also need to have your children removed from your home and made wards of the state.
G
The National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People
Here are a few of the highlights.
US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392.
About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years.
Individuals making accusations: 10,667.
Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17.
Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female
Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer.
Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations).
Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere.
Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04)
It should be noted that 30% of all accusations were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated or because the accused priest is dead.
[ link to www.priestsofdarkness.com]
PS -
The Center for Domestic Violence found that 12.6% of clergy said they had sex with church members. 47% of clergy women were harassed by clergy colleagues.
The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have "inappropriate sexual behavior or contact" with clergy and employees.
The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment.
The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy.
The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members.
At least the LDS and the Roman Catholic Bishops can take heart: they're not alone...
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Duncan Kunz
The Debunker King
User ID: 10104
4/8/2008 2:20 PM
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I met Carolyn Jessop through a mutual friend, a non-LDS woman who was part of the "underground railroad" in 2002-2005, helping the kids (mostly teenage boys who were kicked out as potential rivals).
Wow, that is so interesting. The old men don't want any competition, huh? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011
Yes.
I ought to mention that the first time I passed through Colorado city (in 1978) there were no convenience stores there, nothing but big (but kind of run-down and un-finished) houses. The people ther would continue to keep adding on to the house over years and years, thus not having to pay property taxes (since the house was "under construction").
The main street ran right long the border; on one side was Colorado City, Arizona, the other side of the street was Hilldale, Utah. There were tons and tons of kids hanging out; the boys all looked sort of like Tom Sawyer and the girls were dressed in long dreses, (sometimes you could see bloomers) and hair in braids.
The adults would never say anything, but just watch you as you drove by; I got this feeling of an old John Wayne movie where he would say, "Just keep on movin', pilgrim"!.
I've been there probably four or five times since then (since I go to Zion NP a lot and about half the time I take the Hurricane/Colorado City way, and the other times I go via Kanab). Anyway, recently (like within the past ten years) ther have been a lot of changes, including a couple of stores. Of course, now most of the municipal buildings (like the school) are under state receivership, and the people who lived in the houses are being given the opportunity to actually own them.
I haven't been there since Warren Jeffs was caught, but my brother and I have been talking about riding our bikes up there this summer for a long weekend.
I've been to Ngiwal AND Melekeok! |
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Anonymous Coward
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4/8/2008 2:26 PM | |
Anonymous Coward
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 403022
4/8/2008 2:31 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Infant water torture. This guy belongs in Guatanamo. On the receiving end.
They have all these kids and go on welfare (who can support huge broods of kids by multiple wives ?) so really our tax dollars are paying for this toxic shit. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411054
Waterboard the bastard! This whole setup sounds like an experiment in mind control. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5174
4/8/2008 2:32 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
HER STORY SMELLS KIND OF BULL SHITTY TO ME. LIKE THE MCMARTIN PRESCHOOL STUFF. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 410940
4/8/2008 3:09 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Sometimes I wonder if all this isn't just a hoax to destroy families and religion.
All of you who listen to the MSM and take everything at face value need to listen to your quiet voice.
I know some bad things happen and it's unfortunate, but to outright bash a religion (which is the plan of evil) and those who practice it because you feel in some way you can relate is preposterious. Captial posterious.
I don't know and won't claim to but I sure won't bash what I don't understand. For all we know this woman and her story could be a plot.
Sorry, but tell me this. How many times have you seen good Godly and/or religion families and communities with their values sported all over the MSM?? Now tell me why the MSM only reports "supposed" abuses?
Did you know the UN has created the AOC (Alliance of Civilizations)? Their goal is to unite all the worlds religions into their evil black box worship room. They have to abuse and destroy current religions to sway public support.
How are they supposed to seperate and kill good families without public outcry? It's easy, make up stories about how bad and evil the religions are. Better yet, abuse a few women and have them become hateful entities. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 403022
4/8/2008 3:15 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Sometimes I wonder if all this isn't just a hoax to destroy families and religion.
All of you who listen to the MSM and take everything at face value need to listen to your quiet voice.
I know some bad things happen and it's unfortunate, but to outright bash a religion (which is the plan of evil) and those who practice it because you feel in some way you can relate is preposterious. Captial posterious.
I don't know and won't claim to but I sure won't bash what I don't understand. For all we know this woman and her story could be a plot.
Sorry, but tell me this. How many times have you seen good Godly and/or religion families and communities with their values sported all over the MSM?? Now tell me why the MSM only reports "supposed" abuses?
Did you know the UN has created the AOC (Alliance of Civilizations)? Their goal is to unite all the worlds religions into their evil black box worship room. They have to abuse and destroy current religions to sway public support.
How are they supposed to seperate and kill good families without public outcry? It's easy, make up stories about how bad and evil the religions are. Better yet, abuse a few women and have them become hateful entities. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410940
This is NO peaceful compound! They run the younger men off!
I see nothing wrong with a self-sufficient, peaceful community, but this is not it.
I would love to see a self-sufficient, peaceful community without the religious fanatics. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284011
4/8/2008 3:16 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Sometimes I wonder if all this isn't just a hoax to destroy families and religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410940
Hey, if they're looking to destroy the type of family that tortures kids, forces them into sexual slavery, and practices polygamy...I'm all for it. |
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Godot
User ID: 262319
4/8/2008 3:23 PM
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Hey, if they're looking to destroy the type of family that tortures kids, forces them into sexual slavery, and practices polygamy...I'm all for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011
Thats what the Feds said about Waco. Turned out to be BS.
[link to www.davekopel.com]
Rumors about Koresh's sexual practices with girls persisted for years prior to the ATF raid. Former compound members told stories about Koresh's alleged practice of having sex with girls as young as twelve. Evidence suggested that Koresh had "wives" who were in their mid-teens, that Koresh told detailed and inappropriate sexual stories in front of the children during his Bible study sessions, and that Koresh taught the young girls that it was a privilege for them to become old enough (i.e., reach puberty) to have sex with him. One former compound member described how Koresh would invent theological justifications for his sexual desires, whether they involved having sex with young girls or with other men's adult wives. According to information provided to the FBI, at least two minor girls were "wives" of Koresh at the time of the standoff.
<snip>
4. Public Statements About Child Abuse After The Standoff
As noted, following the fire on April 19, 1993, the Attorney General made several television appearances, during which she indicated that one of the factors that had-influenced her decision to approve the tear gas plan was her belief that contemporaneous child abuse was occurring inside the compound. The next day, April 20, then-Director Sessions appeared on television and stated, accurately, that the FBI had developed no direct evidence of contemporaneous child abuse.
Following Director Sessions' statements, the Attorney General requested that all the available evidence regarding child abuse be collected. That project was completed over the next few days. The Attorney General realized that she had made an inaccurate statement. She corrected it during her April 28, 1993 testimony before the House Committee.
[link to www.usdoj.gov]
If you want to prosecute child molesters, look to the Roman Catholic Church.
[link to www.priestsofdarkness.com]
Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it....
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272640
4/8/2008 3:59 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
These polygamists are disgusting. They need to be run out of this country. Let them go somewhere else. God knows there are already enough perverts around. Child abusers like these are the most heinous kind.
I hope EVERY one of their sex ranches are raided.
Once these men ar ein prison, they will get to really feel what it is like to be sexually abused and they most certainly deserve it. No pity from me!
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 5174
4/8/2008 4:01 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT- NO PUN INTENDED- GAY MARRIAGE IS OKAY, BUT NOT POLYGAMY?
WHAT'S THE LOGIC THERE? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 284011
4/8/2008 4:04 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
Hey, if they're looking to destroy the type of family that tortures kids, forces them into sexual slavery, and practices polygamy...I'm all for it.
Thats what the Feds said about Waco. Turned out to be BS.
[ link to www.davekopel.com]
Rumors about Koresh's sexual practices with girls persisted for years prior to the ATF raid. Former compound members told stories about Koresh's alleged practice of having sex with girls as young as twelve. Evidence suggested that Koresh had "wives" who were in their mid-teens, that Koresh told detailed and inappropriate sexual stories in front of the children during his Bible study sessions, and that Koresh taught the young girls that it was a privilege for them to become old enough (i.e., reach puberty) to have sex with him. One former compound member described how Koresh would invent theological justifications for his sexual desires, whether they involved having sex with young girls or with other men's adult wives. According to information provided to the FBI, at least two minor girls were "wives" of Koresh at the time of the standoff.
<snip>
4. Public Statements About Child Abuse After The Standoff
As noted, following the fire on April 19, 1993, the Attorney General made several television appearances, during which she indicated that one of the factors that had-influenced her decision to approve the tear gas plan was her belief that contemporaneous child abuse was occurring inside the compound. The next day, April 20, then-Director Sessions appeared on television and stated, accurately, that the FBI had developed no direct evidence of contemporaneous child abuse.
Following Director Sessions' statements, the Attorney General requested that all the available evidence regarding child abuse be collected. That project was completed over the next few days. The Attorney General realized that she had made an inaccurate statement. She corrected it during her April 28, 1993 testimony before the House Committee.
[ link to www.usdoj.gov]
If you want to prosecute child molesters, look to the Roman Catholic Church.
[ link to www.priestsofdarkness.com]
I think this thread is not about what the "Feds" said but about what an actual member of the organization said. Not to mention that I don't think there is a question of whether or not they practice polygamy or marry underage kids, they do. |
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Godot
User ID: 262319
4/8/2008 4:09 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
I think this thread is not about what the "Feds" said but about what an actual member of the organization said. Not to mention that I don't think there is a question of whether or not they practice polygamy or marry underage kids, they do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011
That is for a jury of thier peers to conclude. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 272640
4/8/2008 4:15 PM | | Re: Woman describes ‘escape’ from polygamy | Quote |
I think this thread is not about what the "Feds" said but about what an actual member of the organization said. Not to mention that I don't think there is a question of whether or not they practice polygamy or marry underage kids, they do.
That is for a jury of thier peers to conclude. Quoting: Godot 262319
What a jury thinks is irrelevant. Look at the OJ case. True he is "legally" innocent, but everyone knows the truth. The evidence, in this case the children and women, make the truth quite clear what these degenerates were doing. |
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