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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 328162 United States 04/08/2008 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Infant water torture. This guy belongs in Guatanamo. On the receiving end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411054They have all these kids and go on welfare (who can support huge broods of kids by multiple wives ?) so really our tax dollars are paying for this toxic shit. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 04/08/2008 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you. This is the answer to the fucking idiot that asked why they took the children out of the compound. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162thats why i posted we are women some of us dont like being treated like shit Yes, well...it seems to be typical behavior around here for men to defend criminals. It's deplorable that they just circle the wagons to defend a man no matter what he did. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 148742 United States 04/08/2008 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162In the name of the Father, the Son... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 328162 United States 04/08/2008 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.” Quoting: markusmaximusIn the name of the Father, the Son... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 04/08/2008 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | She said her husband controlled his wives through their children. “The way he controlled me was by being violent to my children,” she told Lauer. “If I did something that he didn’t like, my children paid, and they paid a big price. He would hurt them. If he would have been hurting me, I probably would not have conformed. But when you go after a woman’s child, that’s one thing that will put a woman on her knees quickly.” Quoting: markusmaximusIn the name of the Father, the Son... But Jesus told me to do it... |
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Duncan Kunz User ID: 10104 United States 04/08/2008 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | <snip> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162The fundamentalist group claims to hold to the original teachings of Joseph Smith, who founded the Mormon religion in rural upstate New York in 1830. It is not recognized by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, which renounced plural marriage in 1904 under pressure from the federal government. There are a number of fundamentalist branches with compounds in Utah, Arizona, Idaho, Mexico and Texas, according to Jon Krakauer’s book, “Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith.” [link to www.msnbc.msn.com] I met Carolyn Jessop through a mutual friend, a non-LDS woman who was part of the "underground railroad" in 2002-2005, helping the kids (mostly teenage boys who were kicked out as potential rivals). Carolyn has not had an easy life since leaving the Colorado City enclave; she got into strange relationships, was into drugs, etc. But it's not surprising, given that she had no "street smarts" at all. She is a brave, although somewhat abrasive, person who deserves a lot of respect. Unfortunately, Jessop has a hard-on for all Mormons, including the mainstream church, even though they are very anti-FLDS. Mormons look at the fundies the same way people like me look at ass-hole bikers who give the rest of us a bad name. Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
Godot User ID: 262319 United States 04/08/2008 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the government is done with its work on this evil LDS group they need to turn to a much larger and far more sinister religious cult that is also filled with child abusers. CLEARLY, If you're a member of this evil cult you will also need to have your children removed from your home and made wards of the state. G The National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People Here are a few of the highlights. US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392. About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years. Individuals making accusations: 10,667. Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17. Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer. Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations). Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere. Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04) It should be noted that 30% of all accusations were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated or because the accused priest is dead. [link to www.priestsofdarkness.com] Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.... ... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 408492 United States 04/08/2008 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “The method he would use with infants was a form of water torture,” Jessop said of her former husband. “He would spank the baby until it was screaming out of control, and then he would hold the baby faceup under a tap of running water so it couldn’t breathe. He would do this repeatedly. Sometimes, it would go on for an hour, until the baby was so exhausted it couldn’t cry anymore. This method he called ‘breaking them.’” Quoting: Anonymous Coward 328162This is a Satanic/Illuminati method, to wit: Svali, whom no one knows where she is anymore. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 04/08/2008 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I met Carolyn Jessop through a mutual friend, a non-LDS woman who was part of the "underground railroad" in 2002-2005, helping the kids (mostly teenage boys who were kicked out as potential rivals). Quoting: Duncan KunzWow, that is so interesting. The old men don't want any competition, huh? |
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Godot User ID: 262319 United States 04/08/2008 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the government is done with its work on this evil LDS group they need to turn to a much larger and far more sinister religious cult that is also filled with child abusers. Quoting: GodotCLEARLY, If you're a member of this evil cult you will also need to have your children removed from your home and made wards of the state. G The National Review Board for the Protection of Children and Young People Here are a few of the highlights. US clerics accused of abuse from 1950-2002: 4,392. About 4% of the 109,694 serving during those 52 years. Individuals making accusations: 10,667. Victims' ages: 5.8% under 7; 16% ages 8-10; 50.9% ages 11-14; 27.3% ages 15-17. Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female Duration of abuse: Among victims, 38.4% said all incidents occurred within one year; 21.8% said one to two years; 28%, two to four years; 11.8% longer. Victims per priest: 55.7% with one victim; 26.9% with two or three; 13.9% with four to nine; 3.5% with 10 or more (these 149 priests caused 27% of allegations). Abuse locations: 40.9% at priest's residence; 16.3% in church; 42.8% elsewhere. Known cost to dioceses and religious orders: $572,507,094 (does not include the $85 million Boston settlement and other expenses after research was concluded). (Hartford Courant, 2/27/04) It should be noted that 30% of all accusations were not investigated as they were deemed unsubstantiated or because the accused priest is dead. [link to www.priestsofdarkness.com] PS - The Center for Domestic Violence found that 12.6% of clergy said they had sex with church members. 47% of clergy women were harassed by clergy colleagues. The Presbyterian Church stated that 10-23% of clergy have "inappropriate sexual behavior or contact" with clergy and employees. The United Methodist research (1990) showed 38.6% of Ministers had sexual contact with church members and that 77% of church workers experienced some type of sexual harassment. The United Church of Christ found that 48% of the women in the work place have been sexually harassed by male clergy. The Southern Baptists claim 14.1% of their clergy have sexually abused members. At least the LDS and the Roman Catholic Bishops can take heart: they're not alone... Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.... ... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
Duncan Kunz User ID: 10104 United States 04/08/2008 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I met Carolyn Jessop through a mutual friend, a non-LDS woman who was part of the "underground railroad" in 2002-2005, helping the kids (mostly teenage boys who were kicked out as potential rivals). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011Wow, that is so interesting. The old men don't want any competition, huh? Yes. I ought to mention that the first time I passed through Colorado city (in 1978) there were no convenience stores there, nothing but big (but kind of run-down and un-finished) houses. The people ther would continue to keep adding on to the house over years and years, thus not having to pay property taxes (since the house was "under construction"). The main street ran right long the border; on one side was Colorado City, Arizona, the other side of the street was Hilldale, Utah. There were tons and tons of kids hanging out; the boys all looked sort of like Tom Sawyer and the girls were dressed in long dreses, (sometimes you could see bloomers) and hair in braids. The adults would never say anything, but just watch you as you drove by; I got this feeling of an old John Wayne movie where he would say, "Just keep on movin', pilgrim"!. I've been there probably four or five times since then (since I go to Zion NP a lot and about half the time I take the Hurricane/Colorado City way, and the other times I go via Kanab). Anyway, recently (like within the past ten years) ther have been a lot of changes, including a couple of stores. Of course, now most of the municipal buildings (like the school) are under state receivership, and the people who lived in the houses are being given the opportunity to actually own them. I haven't been there since Warren Jeffs was caught, but my brother and I have been talking about riding our bikes up there this summer for a long weekend. Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 403022 United States 04/08/2008 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Infant water torture. This guy belongs in Guatanamo. On the receiving end. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 411054They have all these kids and go on welfare (who can support huge broods of kids by multiple wives ?) so really our tax dollars are paying for this toxic shit. Waterboard the bastard! This whole setup sounds like an experiment in mind control. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 410940 United States 04/08/2008 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes I wonder if all this isn't just a hoax to destroy families and religion. All of you who listen to the MSM and take everything at face value need to listen to your quiet voice. I know some bad things happen and it's unfortunate, but to outright bash a religion (which is the plan of evil) and those who practice it because you feel in some way you can relate is preposterious. Captial posterious. I don't know and won't claim to but I sure won't bash what I don't understand. For all we know this woman and her story could be a plot. Sorry, but tell me this. How many times have you seen good Godly and/or religion families and communities with their values sported all over the MSM?? Now tell me why the MSM only reports "supposed" abuses? Did you know the UN has created the AOC (Alliance of Civilizations)? Their goal is to unite all the worlds religions into their evil black box worship room. They have to abuse and destroy current religions to sway public support. How are they supposed to seperate and kill good families without public outcry? It's easy, make up stories about how bad and evil the religions are. Better yet, abuse a few women and have them become hateful entities. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 403022 United States 04/08/2008 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes I wonder if all this isn't just a hoax to destroy families and religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410940All of you who listen to the MSM and take everything at face value need to listen to your quiet voice. I know some bad things happen and it's unfortunate, but to outright bash a religion (which is the plan of evil) and those who practice it because you feel in some way you can relate is preposterious. Captial posterious. I don't know and won't claim to but I sure won't bash what I don't understand. For all we know this woman and her story could be a plot. Sorry, but tell me this. How many times have you seen good Godly and/or religion families and communities with their values sported all over the MSM?? Now tell me why the MSM only reports "supposed" abuses? Did you know the UN has created the AOC (Alliance of Civilizations)? Their goal is to unite all the worlds religions into their evil black box worship room. They have to abuse and destroy current religions to sway public support. How are they supposed to seperate and kill good families without public outcry? It's easy, make up stories about how bad and evil the religions are. Better yet, abuse a few women and have them become hateful entities. This is NO peaceful compound! They run the younger men off! I see nothing wrong with a self-sufficient, peaceful community, but this is not it. I would love to see a self-sufficient, peaceful community without the religious fanatics. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 04/08/2008 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sometimes I wonder if all this isn't just a hoax to destroy families and religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 410940Hey, if they're looking to destroy the type of family that tortures kids, forces them into sexual slavery, and practices polygamy...I'm all for it. |
Godot User ID: 262319 United States 04/08/2008 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, if they're looking to destroy the type of family that tortures kids, forces them into sexual slavery, and practices polygamy...I'm all for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011Thats what the Feds said about Waco. Turned out to be BS. [link to www.davekopel.com] Rumors about Koresh's sexual practices with girls persisted for years prior to the ATF raid. Former compound members told stories about Koresh's alleged practice of having sex with girls as young as twelve. Evidence suggested that Koresh had "wives" who were in their mid-teens, that Koresh told detailed and inappropriate sexual stories in front of the children during his Bible study sessions, and that Koresh taught the young girls that it was a privilege for them to become old enough (i.e., reach puberty) to have sex with him. One former compound member described how Koresh would invent theological justifications for his sexual desires, whether they involved having sex with young girls or with other men's adult wives. According to information provided to the FBI, at least two minor girls were "wives" of Koresh at the time of the standoff. <snip> 4. Public Statements About Child Abuse After The Standoff As noted, following the fire on April 19, 1993, the Attorney General made several television appearances, during which she indicated that one of the factors that had-influenced her decision to approve the tear gas plan was her belief that contemporaneous child abuse was occurring inside the compound. The next day, April 20, then-Director Sessions appeared on television and stated, accurately, that the FBI had developed no direct evidence of contemporaneous child abuse. Following Director Sessions' statements, the Attorney General requested that all the available evidence regarding child abuse be collected. That project was completed over the next few days. The Attorney General realized that she had made an inaccurate statement. She corrected it during her April 28, 1993 testimony before the House Committee. [link to www.usdoj.gov] If you want to prosecute child molesters, look to the Roman Catholic Church. [link to www.priestsofdarkness.com] Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.... ... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 272640 United States 04/08/2008 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These polygamists are disgusting. They need to be run out of this country. Let them go somewhere else. God knows there are already enough perverts around. Child abusers like these are the most heinous kind. I hope EVERY one of their sex ranches are raided. Once these men ar ein prison, they will get to really feel what it is like to be sexually abused and they most certainly deserve it. No pity from me! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 284011 United States 04/08/2008 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey, if they're looking to destroy the type of family that tortures kids, forces them into sexual slavery, and practices polygamy...I'm all for it. Quoting: GodotThats what the Feds said about Waco. Turned out to be BS. [link to www.davekopel.com] Rumors about Koresh's sexual practices with girls persisted for years prior to the ATF raid. Former compound members told stories about Koresh's alleged practice of having sex with girls as young as twelve. Evidence suggested that Koresh had "wives" who were in their mid-teens, that Koresh told detailed and inappropriate sexual stories in front of the children during his Bible study sessions, and that Koresh taught the young girls that it was a privilege for them to become old enough (i.e., reach puberty) to have sex with him. One former compound member described how Koresh would invent theological justifications for his sexual desires, whether they involved having sex with young girls or with other men's adult wives. According to information provided to the FBI, at least two minor girls were "wives" of Koresh at the time of the standoff. <snip> 4. Public Statements About Child Abuse After The Standoff As noted, following the fire on April 19, 1993, the Attorney General made several television appearances, during which she indicated that one of the factors that had-influenced her decision to approve the tear gas plan was her belief that contemporaneous child abuse was occurring inside the compound. The next day, April 20, then-Director Sessions appeared on television and stated, accurately, that the FBI had developed no direct evidence of contemporaneous child abuse. Following Director Sessions' statements, the Attorney General requested that all the available evidence regarding child abuse be collected. That project was completed over the next few days. The Attorney General realized that she had made an inaccurate statement. She corrected it during her April 28, 1993 testimony before the House Committee. [link to www.usdoj.gov] If you want to prosecute child molesters, look to the Roman Catholic Church. [link to www.priestsofdarkness.com] I think this thread is not about what the "Feds" said but about what an actual member of the organization said. Not to mention that I don't think there is a question of whether or not they practice polygamy or marry underage kids, they do. |
Godot User ID: 262319 United States 04/08/2008 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think this thread is not about what the "Feds" said but about what an actual member of the organization said. Not to mention that I don't think there is a question of whether or not they practice polygamy or marry underage kids, they do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011That is for a jury of thier peers to conclude. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 272640 United States 04/08/2008 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think this thread is not about what the "Feds" said but about what an actual member of the organization said. Not to mention that I don't think there is a question of whether or not they practice polygamy or marry underage kids, they do. Quoting: Godot 262319That is for a jury of thier peers to conclude. What a jury thinks is irrelevant. Look at the OJ case. True he is "legally" innocent, but everyone knows the truth. The evidence, in this case the children and women, make the truth quite clear what these degenerates were doing. |