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The World is only 7000 years old

 
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"As much as I don't subscribe to the Orthodox doctine of the Trinity, I can begin to see just how it could be that having gained the spiritual body after the resurrection, and having been granted all power over the current creation, the Christ could then travel faster than the speed of light back and appear in the Theophany at Mt.Sinai.

He could even travel back to the very beginning of time itself to be one that speaks "let there be light" and hence be a co-creator with God. "






Godspeed.... wink
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A 7000 year-old Earth is PURE SUPERSTITION. We have proven it many, MANY times over with the eyes, ears, and brains that God gave us. If Christianity depends on a 7000 year-old Earth for any degree of legitmacy (which, in truth, it does NOT), then it is a defunct, out-dated, irrelevant, useless mythology that should be abandoned like the plague.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318022

The only thing that gives Christianty an legitmacy is the resurrection of Jesus the Christ from the dead. Without that being true, it would by definition have no legitmacy.

The 7,000 year theories are just that theological interpretative theories, and like the theories of science, they then have to be tested to see how well they hold up. In the scriptures we do not do this via the finding of science but rather through further refining study of the text itself, asking it more and more questions, seeking more and more answers of the text. Which is the same thing the scientists do with the natual revelation, the study of this creation, especially via physics.

Much depends on how the six days of creation are understood in their temporal aspect.
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Look into Harold Camping and see what he has to say. I think he is like the Einstein of the Bible. His time frame adding it up with other things that I have researched is pretty darn accurate in my opinion.
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[link to news.yahoo.com]

8000 yr old trees growing out of the 7000 yr old earth.

That's tricky shit...
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People don't need a religion, per se, but we do need to put some facts into our minds to reasonably describe this place into which we were born. We are all beholden to the laws of DNA, chemistry and physics; in a word, nature. The laws of nature are the oldest "religion" on the planet going back billions of years. They apply to every person no matter what they choose to believe or fantasize about. The shiny new religions that have been carefully written and packaged over the past six thousand years are but folly compared to the laws of nature. Yet all of those religions are nature because they all come from human minds. All the temples, statues, artwork and the rest were made with human ability, and therefore they are all nature. Delusion within a human mind is part of nature. Brainwashing and mind-control is part of nature.

So why all the confusion, brainwashing, war, genocide, and all the rest? You actually know that answer and don't need me to tell you, but I'll put it here for clarification. It's for the same reason that there are dominant males in all the mammal kingdom. The dominant humans of this planet have developed the ability to manage the human populations through mind-control. Animals are controlled by the dominant males through physical intimidation which the subservient ones remember with their minds so they are controlled thusly. Humans, with their advanced brains, can be controlled by the dominant humans with words, symbols, pictures, cultures, religions, governments, and any system that has been created to date. When these methods of control don't work, military/police technology is used to control people, and that method is directly analogous to the physical intimidation of the animal kingdom.

DNA has always, and will continue to branch like a tree. All of the diversity on this planet is due to mutation and segregated reproduction. Without segregated reproduction, there would be no human diversity in the way we define it today. The wars of this past century were towards the goal of ending human diversity (nations / tribes) in favor of a single human type; the human race. The dominant humans of the planet are not members of the human race and will instead pretend to be members while maintaining their segregated reproduction. Thus they will keep their dominant human DNA intact, encourage the dullest, dumbest breeding possible in the human race, and manage the human race from atop the pyramid. All the mind-control and brainwashing of this past century, and in fact over the past 6 thousand years, has been towards the fundamental goal of global domination...a single global pyramid...and things are proceeding as planned virtually unopposed.
Why isn't anyone opposed to this plan? That should be obvious. Nobody but the dominant humans know about it, and knowledge is power.

Consider: You were born into a system of mind-control as created by the dominant humans on this planet. Everything you know is what they have written for you. The simple truth is nature...and of course you know that; everyone knows that. But the dominant humans have learned, over the past few millenia, that their most fundamental objective is to prevent people from seeing THEM. They must blend in. So you were born into a system designed to prevent you from seeing who runs the system. And that is why you are not opposed to the plan, because every part of your brain tells you that there is no plan, and that it's all just the natural progression of human kind; nature.

Well, of course, it is the natural progression of human kind. The dominant humans will create the homogenized human race and manage from atop the pyramid; that is the natural progression. You, on the lower part of the pyramid (and a member of the human race), are also the natural progression of human kind, and your role is as a servant; in the servant class (the human race). The DNA of the servant class has already been bred to become more submissive, receptive to brainwashing, etc, and that breeding program is continuously refined to fit with whatever is necessary.

Can a servant be elevated into the dominant human class? Who knows...with nature pretty much anything is possible, though perhaps not very probable.
So, in summary, there are three kinds of people:
1. The dominant human group
2. The human race group
3. Free people who are aware of the two groups above and who live the laws of nature

If you are in group 1 and you are reading this, you know you have identified an individual that must be eliminated in order for you to continue dominating the planet.

If you are in group 2 and you are reading this, you will instinctively dismiss it as crazy/delusional/conspiracy/etc, per your brainwashing.

If you are in group 3 and you are reading this...allow me to help you. Blend in. If you decide not to blend in, be cautious. They can exterminate you with war / genocide / murder or whatever means necessary. Group 1 can use secret technology to kill you in many creative ways that look like natural deaths, accidents, or suicides, or group 1 can rally the brainwashed Group 2 to see you as evil and they will attack you accordingly.
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The Jewish calendar puts the year at 5768, it has been that long since Adam has been created, or at least was expelled from the Garden.

We know that when Adam was created God told him to be fruitful and mulitply, to REPLENISH the earth, seem to me he wouldn't say that unless the earth had been full at some time before Adam was created.

Doesn't say what was here on earth before Adam, only that something or someone(s) was here.

It also says that God created the earth in six days, and on the seventh he rested. It does NOT say that these were Seven CONSECUTIVE days, only that it was seven days.

[link to www.bartleby.com]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Mt. 19.4 · Mk. 10.6

28 And God blessed them, Gen. 5.1, 2 and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


The point here being that it doesn't rule out the earth being older than 5768 years.

Whatever you do, read what ever you can, DO NOT take mine or anybody else's WORD for it, make up YOUR own mind, but investigate the matter for yourself.

The one thing you can be sure of, be it science or faith, every question answered will bring forth more questions, that is eternal, peace and madness lie within, choose wisely. :-)
 Quoting: Jimmy2times 13620

The Jewish chronological reckoning is based on certain methods (which have certain built in assumptions) in consideration of all the geneaologies set forth in the Tanach and those in the Penteuarch in particular. And it is based from the Advent of Adam from the statement that Adam was 130 years old when he begat Seth, so they can count back to where Adam was first formed. That is the starting point of their calculations. And they are using the Hebrew Masoretic text as their working source and not other discovered scriputres like the Samarian or the LXX or any other of the Greek or Aramaic manuscripts.

But all of that merely puts it all back to the date of the formation of Adam, not back to the creation of the heavens and the Earth. (With certain qualifications at that).

The majority of the Hebrew Scholars however are of the opinon that the language of the Masoretic text is such that there is no other conculsion to be reached other than that those first six days were indeed sequential, with no "missing time" in between each described day. But there still remains the question as to just how long (as we currently reckon time) each of those days were and also how much time (as we currently reckon time) each "act of creaton, etc" took, it may not have take up all of that particular day, even.

The use of the term (in the KJV) "Replenish" is an interesting use no doubt. You will undoubtebly note that Gen 1:20-22, God does not tell the sea creatures that they are to replenish the seas only to "be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let the fowl multiply in the earth." The fowl are not even told to "replenish" the earth. Or does it? The same Hebrew term for "replenish" in Gen 1:28 is translated as "fill up" in Gen 1:22. As Strong's shows that term "male or mala" (Mem Lamed Aleph) Strong's H4390, has many different ways it can be translated (and is translated) in the KJV, and "replenish" is only one of them. In fact it is only translated as "replenish" in Gen 1:28 and Gen 9:1, most of the places it is simply translated as "fill up" or "fill".

However the KJV does translated it as Replenish in Gen 1:28 and in Gen 9:1 "And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." In this case with Noah it definitely is a Re-filling, a Re-Plenishing. But is it in Gen 1:28? It may well be that some translator interpretational bias (in favor of one theology vs a different one) is a play in the KJV translation, or in other translations.

Based on this it is difficult to make the case that Adam was to Replenish the earth, other than merely filling it up.

How full does it have to get to be full enough in God's eyes? 7 Billion? 9 Billion, 12 Billion, 100 Billion?

Notice too, that neither Adam nor Noah are told to fillup or replenish the Heavens.

"The one thing you can be sure of, be it science or faith, every question answered will bring forth more questions, that is eternal, peace and madness lie within, choose wisely." No, Kidding, so true.
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Carbon dating is a human creation and therefore flawed. They even argue over the dating of the Turin shroud now,

And the universe may be billions of years in existence, because time is of no consequence to the Creator, Earth is 7000 years old. I ask again, rocks cannot last for a million or a billion years, no way.
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Hate to break it to you, but the Bible is a human creation and therefore flawed. To literally believe anything that is written and created by humans and not to admit it could be wrong or incorrect is ludicrous.

I could write a book today and if I created my own sect and it survived for 2000-3000 years, people would believe the absolute truth of it, even if it said that lollipops once grew on trees.

I also don't understand when you say "the universe may be billions of years in existence....Earth is 7000 years old". What?! You just contradicted yourself. Did I miss something?
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.
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Don't tell me you are actually looking for the term "dinosaurs" in the Bible. Think serpants, think Behemoth, think Leviathan. Think creeping on the ground critters (which sometimes gets translated as 'reptiles').

It is said that Nimrod was a might hunter before the LORD. Just what was Nimrod hunting. Just what was out there the Cain had to build a camp with a full time guard on watch or even with walls... walls against what? On guard against what?

Why did these ancient cities with their ruins as we find them have these huge massive tall walls? What were they trying to keep out? Other men? Men scale walls like that.
Doesn't keep them out. Elephants? Way bigger than needed to keep Elephants out. What would you build without using electricity to keep a brachosaur or T.Rex out of your camp or city?

It holds that if there were large dinosaurs then these perished in the Flood of Noah, maybe some smaller ones came through the flood on the ark, maybe they didn't die out but were hunted to extinction by mankind, as per Nimrod and company.

How to explain dino foot prints and homo foot prints on the same piece of slate?
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So where is this garden that Adam was kicked out of? Any archeological evidence for it?
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So what part of massive Global Flood don't you understand?

But even taking into account a massive rather local flood, what makes you think there would be anything left of any garden that had been so flooded? Especially one we are not told was not allowed to just go to ruin and be overgrown with the plants of the earth rather than the plants of the field for at least 1,526 years before it was flooded in a massive local flood. A global flood would disappear it so much no trace of it would ever be found and you would never know what it was if you did find it. Out of all the planet life planted in it, we are only told of two, the tree of life and the other tree. So tell me, what sort of plants, herbs, and trees would you be looking for for archeological evidence that you had found the Garden of Eden?
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Where it crystallizes etc and lasts for a million years or 65 million years, unsullied by that passage of time?? Come on...
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Yeah, like that fozziled T.Rex bone that was then treated in a very weak acid solution and became soft and flexible and when they cut it open they found non fozziled red blood cells. Just how does that happend? Fossilization is supposed to be a mineral replacement. Somehow this alleged 65 million year old "fossil" had never gotten around to having the minerals in its red blood cells replaced with something else.

The more science learns, the more it will come to see how accurate the scriptures are.
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laughlaugh

UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.

lmaolmaobsflagbsflag

so the ships i sometimes see over my house are just "imagination"...eh?!

they will doom like minded people like you op...why?!
because YOU and your kind are the CAUSE for all this mess in which this tiny planet called earth currently is!

you FORCE them to intervene...with your primitivenes, your stupidy and with your mental illnes. you fantics are DANGEROUSLY insane! they will intervene as soon as you fanatic lil' pieces of dumb shit cross "the line".

do you REALLY think that earth is the only planet, in this every second expanding universe, which inhabits INTELLIGENT life?!

there are FAR greater, more spiritual (not religious) beings living in the universe and other planets than mankind on earth!

many of em' are FAR more advanced than mankind on earth will ever be.

you can't simply take the humans on earth as THE "standard".

the time WILL come...just cross the line and you fanatics will be TOAST!

nuf said...you guys are not worth my words...you don't even understand the words coming outta' my mouth.
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I just received a radio news report from Alpha Centuari, of course its "news" is 4.3 years old. But in the report it stated they just put their first Centuari in orbit around their planet for the first time in their history. So much for being more advanced than Earthlings.
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You're all wrong. The earth is only 6000 years old. Tracing the genealogical records of the Bible takes us back to 4004 BC. We are approaching the "Sabbath Millenium". We have had 6000 years of "work". We will go with Christ for 1000 years. THAT will complete the 7000 year period. Of course, a day is as a thousand years to God and a thoushand years as a day. That means when we go with Jesus, we will be going only on a day trip. The earth will lie fallow for a thousand years. It will only be a day for us.

If anything, science is now showing that when it comes to the "theory of everything", EVERYTHING is on the table. Science PROVES that they cannot go beyond the "creation" event that they themselves say happened by playing the quantum mechanics movie backwards. There WAS an event, but they say it happened billions of years ago. The speed of light (186,282 mps in a vacuum) was the DEFINING measure of the age of the universe. That no longer applies. The double-slit experiments and non-local phenomena including zero-point energy vortexes shows that there is NO upper limit to lightspeed. A quanta of light split, even if they are billions of light years apart, will INSTANTLY react to changes in the other's aspects. What this basically means is that light can, theoretically, travel from one end of the universe to the other in a single moment of time. This has traditional science scratching their heads and refusing to even look into the matter because their "standard model" works so well. It really does not matter to cosmologists because their model works well enough to search out the deepest darkest parts of our universe. Quantum physicists are not bothered either because their model works well enough to create all kinds of gadgets at the quantum level. However, they cannot bridge the gap because they will not stray from their comfort zones. This has happened to science many times through the ages. There is always a "single" truth that emerges that changes everything. We are approaching that single truth and a revolution in science is going on. This is why EVERYTHING is now on the table. NOTHING can be rejected outright--even the heretical notion of a supreme intelligence. God forbid. There may ACTUALLY BE a an intelligent designer out there somewhere.

The truth of the matter is far stranger than any fiction.
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While I find good grounds to question Usher's Chronology, the point you make about current findings of science as much as the 'dogmatisits' want to ignore them just proves what Plank said all those years ago: "Science advances funeral by funeral."

BTW got a link to some of what you are referring to?
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Carbon dating is a human creation and therefore flawed. They even argue over the dating of the Turin shroud now,





You say carbon dating is a human creation - so it is flawed. BUT the bible was a human creation - so it is also flawed....

DUHHH...

Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Written by Men , dictated by the Holy spirit !!


Thank you Wing-Ed, answered for me. hf
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... well, lol, isn't that just more than rather convenient now???
Let's see here... you say man is flawed, and yet what one of them flawed men says here is somehow supposedly true????

What's wrong with that picture?
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Anyone heard of David Talbott's Saturn myth?

[link to www.aeonjournal.com]
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Talbott has a very interesting Mythos going on there. He produces a very interesting planetary configuration for the historically early solar system. For the moment I would have to call it a mythos, much as I call Star Trek or Star Wars mythos. Yet, one does wonder what part the Planets played during the fourth day of creation. They are not specificaly mentioned but could be implied along with "stars". If Saturn was as close in as Talbott suggests then the Greater Light would have been Saturn and not the Sun, the Sun would have been the Lesser light. But with Saturn "hoovering over and above" the "north" pole what does that do with days and nights? Of course the brightness of its reflected sun light would really be seen to out shine the Sun even when the Sun was up Saturn would still be visible (northern hemisphere).

Still Talbott produces a very interesting hypothetical planetary configuration.
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"As much as I don't subscribe to the Orthodox doctine of the Trinity, I can begin to see just how it could be that having gained the spiritual body after the resurrection, and having been granted all power over the current creation, the Christ could then travel faster than the speed of light back and appear in the Theophany at Mt.Sinai.

He could even travel back to the very beginning of time itself to be one that speaks "let there be light" and hence be a co-creator with God. "






Godspeed.... wink
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 295253

Being co-creator at that level would violate causality. If he is not doing any creating but only observing then causality is not violated.

That said, Jehovah is not Jesus and Jesus is not Jehovah, the Father is not the Son nor is the Son the Father.

Still, it does nothing against his being current co-creator for the New Heavens and the New Earth that does not violate causality.
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I've never raised a bs flag but here goes..


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Look into Harold Camping and see what he has to say. I think he is like the Einstein of the Bible. His time frame adding it up with other things that I have researched is pretty darn accurate in my opinion.
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I am lazy, do you have a link. Actually, I am in the middle of writing up a book on the entire Genesis thing. I have been at it for several years. There is so much there as to be an incredibly rich fount at so many differnt levels, even quantum mechanic, quantum dynamics, even into genetics. It is so awesome when you really dig down into it, words can barely describe. And none of the other so called "creation stories" even come within 6,000 light years of it.
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Look into Harold Camping and see what he has to say. I think he is like the Einstein of the Bible. His time frame adding it up with other things that I have researched is pretty darn accurate in my opinion.

I am lazy, do you have a link. Actually, I am in the middle of writing up a book on the entire Genesis thing. I have been at it for several years. There is so much there as to be an incredibly rich fount at so many differnt levels, even quantum mechanic, quantum dynamics, even into genetics. It is so awesome when you really dig down into it, words can barely describe. And none of the other so called "creation stories" even come within 6,000 light years of it.
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... oh, lol, I don't know about that... and as in like, just how long is a 'heaven and earth generation'?
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Look into Harold Camping and see what he has to say. I think he is like the Einstein of the Bible. His time frame adding it up with other things that I have researched is pretty darn accurate in my opinion.

I am lazy, do you have a link. Actually, I am in the middle of writing up a book on the entire Genesis thing. I have been at it for several years. There is so much there as to be an incredibly rich fount at so many differnt levels, even quantum mechanic, quantum dynamics, even into genetics. It is so awesome when you really dig down into it, words can barely describe. And none of the other so called "creation stories" even come within 6,000 light years of it.

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... oh, lol, I don't know about that... and as in like, just how long is a 'heaven and earth generation'?
 Quoting: gooderboy

As in, "These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created." You mean like those generations?
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OP's topic heading has "World" and not "Earth". "World" is like "civilizaton". Not Planet, Not Man. Civilization.
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I'm sometimes stunned how people can think the world/universe is only 7000 years old....

The scientific proof is everywhere. Fossils? Geology? Carbon Dating?

Just looking through a telescope proves that the whole universe is billions of years old. Light takes millions of years to reach us from most stars. If the universe is 7000 years old, How can we see the stars?


Carbon dating is a human creation and therefore flawed. They even argue over the dating of the Turin shroud now,

And the universe may be billions of years in existence, because time is of no consequence to the Creator, Earth is 7000 years old. I ask again, rocks cannot last for a million or a billion years, no way.

YA MAN, NO FUCKING WAY!

Do you live in the Bible Belt?

I hope your Belt has bells so I can clear out if you come near.


Nope,don't live in the bible belt. Not even in that country. The land I walk upon is 7000 years old.


Because a book told you so.
Actually....
The bible doesn't even say that.
Its more of man trying to interpret what the bible says.
So basically, you believe whatever you want. Despite evidence or hell even the supposed "word of god"


So the earth is 4.5 billion years old you believe. Because a scientist told you so?


Afraid not.
Science doesn't dictate belief.
Save that for your bible.
Science is the exploration of truth.
I know you can't understand this concept, you and your ilk must be TOLD what to believe.
And its quite a pity.
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Science - the exploration of truth LOL

Depends who is paying for the results

Science is a religion as much as any religion is

You believe what you are told - have you done the experiments?

You try and be a sceptic on any of the following:

1) The Lipid hypothesis
2) Anthropogenic Global Warming
3) Fat makes you fat
4) Salt is bad for you but a bunch of other flavourings, sweeteners, etc are good for you
5) Flouride is good for you
6) Cholesterol and heart disease
7) Mercury in vacinees does you no harm

and the list is endless

When you express scepticism on these, watch how quickly the Scientific Inquisition will descend on you

Try and get a paper through the "Peer Review process of the Great and the Good"

and then you will see the religious establishment that science has become!!

Exploration of TRUTH ROLMFAO
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Actually I do object to the speed of light - it is no longer a constant but can be variable.

"Researchers in Switzerland have succeeded in breaking the cosmic speed limit by getting light to go faster than, well, light."

[link to www.livescience.com]

Also the speed of light may be slowing down?

"Evidence suggesting that the velocity of light, c, has been slowing down throughout history was first reported by Barry Setterfield and Trevor Norman for some years. (2) Now two physicists-Dr. Joao Magueijo, a Royal Society research fellow at Imperial College, London, and Dr. Andreas Albrecht, of the University of California at Davis-are proposing that, immediately after the universe was born, the speed of light may have been far faster than its present-day value of 186,000 miles per second. (3 )They now believe that it has been slowing down ever since. The effects predicted by their theory are to be published in the prestigious scientific journal, Physical Review. "If it's true, it would be a very big leap forward that will affect our perception of the universe and much of theoretical physics," said Dr. Magueijo."

[link to ldolphin.org]

Let's face it - we really know NOTHING and our science is based in pure conjecture where everyone tries to mould the evidence to fit their theories. This has been going on for centuries, millenia and our scientists today are no different.
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I object to your lack of understanding of (c).

It's laughable.

Besides all the distances have been multiple source verified.

Unlike your magical book!

PS How many millions of years, will you burn for defiling your god?
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I'm sometimes stunned how people can think the world/universe is only 7000 years old....

The scientific proof is everywhere. Fossils? Geology? Carbon Dating?

Just looking through a telescope proves that the whole universe is billions of years old. Light takes millions of years to reach us from most stars. If the universe is 7000 years old, How can we see the stars?


Carbon dating is a human creation and therefore flawed. They even argue over the dating of the Turin shroud now,

And the universe may be billions of years in existence, because time is of no consequence to the Creator, Earth is 7000 years old. I ask again, rocks cannot last for a million or a billion years, no way.

YA MAN, NO FUCKING WAY!

Do you live in the Bible Belt?

I hope your Belt has bells so I can clear out if you come near.


Nope,don't live in the bible belt. Not even in that country. The land I walk upon is 7000 years old.


Because a book told you so.
Actually....
The bible doesn't even say that.
Its more of man trying to interpret what the bible says.
So basically, you believe whatever you want. Despite evidence or hell even the supposed "word of god"


So the earth is 4.5 billion years old you believe. Because a scientist told you so?


Afraid not.
Science doesn't dictate belief.
Save that for your bible.
Science is the exploration of truth.
I know you can't understand this concept, you and your ilk must be TOLD what to believe.
And its quite a pity.


Science - the exploration of truth LOL

Depends who is paying for the results

Science is a religion as much as any religion is

You believe what you are told - have you done the experiments?

You try and be a sceptic on any of the following:

1) The Lipid hypothesis
2) Anthropogenic Global Warming
3) Fat makes you fat
4) Salt is bad for you but a bunch of other flavourings, sweeteners, etc are good for you
5) Flouride is good for you
6) Cholesterol and heart disease
7) Mercury in vacinees does you no harm

and the list is endless

When you express scepticism on these, watch how quickly the Scientific Inquisition will descend on you

Try and get a paper through the "Peer Review process of the Great and the Good"

and then you will see the religious establishment that science has become!!

Exploration of TRUTH ROLMFAO
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Of course Woo Woo, everything is a lie,
Except of course a 2000 year old heavily edited book, thats totally true.
Science isn't perfect, its results can always be corrupted., but science is merely striving to understand the universe around us.
Religion is the dictation of another mans truth. Vastly different, regardless of your conspiracy theories.
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laughlaugh

UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.

lmaolmaobsflagbsflag

so the ships i sometimes see over my house are just "imagination"...eh?!

they will doom like minded people like you op...why?!
because YOU and your kind are the CAUSE for all this mess in which this tiny planet called earth currently is!

you FORCE them to intervene...with your primitivenes, your stupidy and with your mental illnes. you fantics are DANGEROUSLY insane! they will intervene as soon as you fanatic lil' pieces of dumb shit cross "the line".

do you REALLY think that earth is the only planet, in this every second expanding universe, which inhabits INTELLIGENT life?!

there are FAR greater, more spiritual (not religious) beings living in the universe and other planets than mankind on earth!

many of em' are FAR more advanced than mankind on earth will ever be.

you can't simply take the humans on earth as THE "standard".

the time WILL come...just cross the line and you fanatics will be TOAST!

nuf said...you guys are not worth my words...you don't even understand the words coming outta' my mouth.
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If you are seeing ships over your house, may I suggest you are the one with the mental illness. UFO's were invented by man's imagination - starting in 1947. Whatever is seen is explainable- planes birds,optial illusions.

This planet so far is the only one proven to have intelligent life or indeed any life. We'll see what happens later...bet we get no proof soon.
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Carbon dating is a human creation and therefore flawed. They even argue over the dating of the Turin shroud now,

And the universe may be billions of years in existence, because time is of no consequence to the Creator, Earth is 7000 years old. I ask again, rocks cannot last for a million or a billion years, no way.



Hate to break it to you, but the Bible is a human creation and therefore flawed. To literally believe anything that is written and created by humans and not to admit it could be wrong or incorrect is ludicrous.

I could write a book today and if I created my own sect and it survived for 2000-3000 years, people would believe the absolute truth of it, even if it said that lollipops once grew on trees.

I also don't understand when you say "the universe may be billions of years in existence....Earth is 7000 years old". What?! You just contradicted yourself. Did I miss something?
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No contradiction. Universe, encompasses space and the empty void that was there before creation. Earth however was only formed 7000 years ago approx.
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I don't believe anything monumental in this world happens by chance.

Just like I think OS of 9/11 is BS for all coincidences it doesn't explain, that's how I feel about anti-Creationist ideas.

I don't think human life is a meaningless coincidence


It's funny how athiests don't think they are exercising blind faith in the science they have used to denounce religion.


If one doesn't think science can be fabricated look no further than NIST and the rest of the pseudo-science surrounding events like 9/11.


Carbon dating an entire universe is a preposterous idea.

That is unquantifiable data.



Christianity has been under attack since its existence and the more evil and deception I see, the more I believe its validity.


I guarantee Zionists were behind these Bible bashing scientific theories
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humans have been here for 1000000 of years, and animals too, u all forget 1 big thing, its us kind of human there have been here for over 6000 years, we are a new model, before us, there was another model, but our model is around 6000 years old. never forget that.


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I don't believe anything monumental in this world happens by chance.

Just like I think OS of 9/11 is BS for all coincidences it doesn't explain, that's how I feel about anti-Creationist ideas.

I don't think human life is a meaningless coincidence


It's funny how athiests don't think they are exercising blind faith in the science they have used to denounce religion.


If one doesn't think science can be fabricated look no further than NIST and the rest of the pseudo-science surrounding events like 9/11.


Carbon dating an entire universe is a preposterous idea.

That is unquantifiable data.



Christianity has been under attack since its existence and the more evil and deception I see, the more I believe its validity.


I guarantee Zionists were behind these Bible bashing scientific theories
 Quoting: ATTC



A: Atheists don't believe we are here by chance.
B: Blind faith in science?
C: What does 9/11 have to do with the age of the earth?
D: Carbon dating is only used for things that where living up till around 80 thousand years ago. All other dates are done through different methods. The universe's age is calculated entirely different and is irrelevant to the age of the earth.
E: Zionism hasn't been around long enough for that claim to be true.
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No contradiction. Universe, encompasses space and the empty void that was there before creation. Earth however was only formed 7000 years ago approx.
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This is such bullshit and you nutbags that believe this are the ones that are destroying this planet.

My guess is that if Jesus were to return today preaching a message of love, peace and kindness to our fellow men, you woo-woo's would have him locked up and thrown in Gitmo.

I find that most that believe the Earth is 7,000 years old support torture, the war in Iraq, most likely voted for bush....twice, and would most certainly support him if he were to decide to attack Iran. Your close mindedness is nothing more then a cancer upon this earth, and a very old earth at that.

I find evidence of a Creator in almost everything that I look at. I believe that I resonate with this planet in a similar manner that all life does.

If one choses not to believe the falsities of religion and views the big bang and evolution to justify our creation, then one has to consider how the singularity came about to start it all. Something or someone is responsible for making that happen. That greater power is who I pray to and I can assure you all, has no affiliation whatsoever with any false construct of religion on this planet.

Ultimately, I follow the path of love, and where love's caravan takes its path, there lies my faith, my religion.
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The Heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the end of the world. Psalms 19:1-4

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. Romans 1:20
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