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The World is only 7000 years old

 
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The striking me as most alarming in all of this is your incessant propensity to lie. Don't you possess a concscience?

It is when I consider the reality that individuas like you are at large, that they educate children, that they create broadcast material... any doubts about the validity of reorts about a great Satan vanish.


You should be happy there is no God. Because if there was odds are you would be worshiping the wrong one, and in his fit of jealous rage he would send you to hell to be tortured forever.

Because he loves you.

Remember, GOD needs MONEY.

However if you object to the speed of light (c), then I suggest you cash out of our society, and bang some rocks together on some tech denying commune.

Clearly your rejection of medicine and technology doesn't stop a hypocrite like yourself from using them.

I'm laughing at your "morality" while you use the tools of "Satan".
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I'm sometimes stunned how people can think the world/universe is only 7000 years old....

The scientific proof is everywhere. Fossils? Geology? Carbon Dating?

Just looking through a telescope proves that the whole universe is billions of years old. Light takes millions of years to reach us from most stars. If the universe is 7000 years old, How can we see the stars?


It's all about the assumptions:

1) That carbon-14 is constant in the atmosphere - shown not to be the case - huge variances

2) That being entombned in rock does not affect breakdown

3) That the speed of light is a constant - when scientists have shown that it can speed up or slow down, depending on what it passes through.
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I am making the assumption that light travels through 1 substance (if you can call it that) a vacuum. It is constant. The other assumptions that you mention do not count when looking at the original paragraph. I am not trying to prove the stars or planets are being carbon dated or are breaking down. It is just the fact that we can see them that proves that they have age.
The important thing is not to stop questioning - Albert Einstein.
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The only thing that may please me in all of this is that you will be rudely silenced.
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Wow a vague death threat from an AC. I feel so scared!

Here is a thought, for ever MINUTE you use SATANís technology you will be tortured for a million years!!!

Iíll go phone this God fellow up for you and vouch for your need to go to hell.
"I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln."
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now i know why the US is doomedlaughlmao

you got so many nutjobs who don't have a brain and believe that science and evolution is nonsense that you can't see the danger which comes out of such stupidy and behavior...and the worst thing is: you SERIOUSLY believe in the "the earth is only 6000 - 7000 years old" bullshitlmao

dear US america: educate your people and get them a brain and furthermore solve your OWN problems before you cause further trauble on this world.

no wonder mr. bush jr. got into the white hoese...two times in a rowlmao

don't you people see how ridiculous, primitive and stupid your unprofound claims are?! you make a fool outta' youself.

this only shows how UNEDUCATED you are. you just know the shitbook called "bible"...yet never read a single science book. no coomon knowledge and no education...trailer trash.

the US seriously is doomed with people like you.

ALL religions are TOTAL BULLSHIT, there's no god, satan, angels daemons or whatever. you can't expect to be taken serious with such uneducated and primitive thinking...i mean...you simply throw ALL science out of the window and rather base your [non existing] "knowledge" on a religious book called "bible"...you're mentally ill...period and fact.

It is your pagan religion that is bullshit

It is your textbooks that are the fairy tales

CAVEMAN NEVER EXISTED

Europe is lost to Godless Marxism thanks to the Vatican who rules over them, and is allowing the invading Muslims that will finish them off since they are defenceless and Godless.
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what part of "ALL religions are bullshit" didn't you understand numb nut?!

i have NO religion you fuckwit...see: you're not even able to follow texts and senteces properly. that's what i meant: you're stupid, have no common sense and knowledge, you're primitve trailer trash.

and nobody takes you seriouslychuckle

america IS doomed.abomb
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Normal font is Clavain

Is posted by 412415

is posted by me, here is to hoping I didn't screw up the formatting



There is no argument for that 'but the creator did it' aproach.

I just have what I see in front of me, and I see a very old place, with geological landscapes which look like they took a long time to become where they are.

but they didn't. There is evidence already presented of a global cataclysmic flood that caused the damage


Wrong, there is evidence of series of big floods at different times. Eg the flooding of the black sea (which was a lake prior to that) or the floods in India. All terrible but local floods.

I see the stars which are at different ages, some red dwarfs, some supernova, some like our Sun.

All dated by the age of tghe earth

What does redshift and such have to do with the age of the earth? Stars are dated by the type of light they emit.

[link to imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov]

I see science finding results which show ages of about 4billion years.

proof? haven't seen it. The textbook says so. National Geographic says so. the Jesuits says so.

Again various forms of radiometric dating and maths concerning matter in our solarsystem, I agree textbooks are generally bad, but you have to start somewhere. Textbooks in schools are there to provide a start not to provide solid evidence since you need a scientific background to understand it.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

I see fossils in the ground.

Could on;ly happen in a flood

That's some high quality horseshit you are smoking.

I see evolutionary traits in animals in plants which seem to compliment 'survival of the fittest' theories.

there are none, just fantasy religion that springs from paganism. Were there evoloution how did bees and plants arrive at seperate time periods?

Natural selection preserves a strong genome, it in no way causes evolution.


Not all plants need bees to procreate (or however you want to call it).

Please explain why evolution is a pagan religion? What deities do we revere? What metaphysical do we belief in? What are our rituals? What is our holy scripture?


I see a book, written by people and compiled selectively by other people a few years later.

You don't even know what you are talking about. The scriptures existed before the RCC. The early first century patriarchs letters prove that as well as the dead sea scrolls.

He said a few years later not a few centuries later.


I beleive what seems to be the most prominent.....

Ths majority are always wrong. There is no voting on science, we need evidence to determine science.

So you belief that the Bible is fake because most people follow a faith based on the bible? That's just retarded argumentation
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Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.


Please do not tell me how I will feel before I die. I think I would be inhuman if I did not feel human emotions. Yes I feel fear of dying, but no fear of Hell, or excitement of Heaven. I accept that it is the end when I die, for all things.

If you can call me all those things, Wicked, aloof and opposed then what are you? Yes I am standing by my beliefs, I am looking at the facts laid out before me and I am choosing the most acceptable to me. I am trying to explain how my thinking works to you all. And I think I am right.


I'm telling you how you will feel when you die because it is the way others who have spoken like you felt before they were ended.

You have a callous and ugly policy which amounts to nothimg more than rejection of truth.

This why your death will be as horrible as can be arranged.
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You must be a sad person inside to wish such horror on a person.
The important thing is not to stop questioning - Albert Einstein.
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The only thing that may please me in all of this is that you will be rudely silenced.


Wow a vague death threat from an AC. I feel so scared!

Here is a thought, for ever MINUTE you use SATANís technology you will be tortured for a million years!!!

Iíll go phone this God fellow up for you and vouch for your need to go to hell.
 Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIII


When you scan your computer for virii your scanning software removes only corrupt things that it finds right?

Likewise. If Satan creates something useful or something good, then it only reflects his good parentage.

Satan's problem is his corrupt fruit.
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Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.


Please do not tell me how I will feel before I die. I think I would be inhuman if I did not feel human emotions. Yes I feel fear of dying, but no fear of Hell, or excitement of Heaven. I accept that it is the end when I die, for all things.

If you can call me all those things, Wicked, aloof and opposed then what are you? Yes I am standing by my beliefs, I am looking at the facts laid out before me and I am choosing the most acceptable to me. I am trying to explain how my thinking works to you all. And I think I am right.


I'm telling you how you will feel when you die because it is the way others who have spoken like you felt before they were ended.

You have a callous and ugly policy which amounts to nothimg more than rejection of truth.

This why your death will be as horrible as can be arranged.


You must be a sad person inside to wish such horror on a person.
 Quoting: Clavain


No. I'm just a person who believes in justice.
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Suck my dick, OP.


My magnifying glass is broken, sorry. Get a life if you can't contribute.
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No really, suck my dick.
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Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.


Please do not tell me how I will feel before I die. I think I would be inhuman if I did not feel human emotions. Yes I feel fear of dying, but no fear of Hell, or excitement of Heaven. I accept that it is the end when I die, for all things.

If you can call me all those things, Wicked, aloof and opposed then what are you? Yes I am standing by my beliefs, I am looking at the facts laid out before me and I am choosing the most acceptable to me. I am trying to explain how my thinking works to you all. And I think I am right.


I'm telling you how you will feel when you die because it is the way others who have spoken like you felt before they were ended.

You have a callous and ugly policy which amounts to nothimg more than rejection of truth.

This why your death will be as horrible as can be arranged.


You must be a sad person inside to wish such horror on a person.


No. I'm just a person who believes in justice.
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And what, exactly, did I do wrong that deserves death in the most horrible way as can be arranged? Do all non-believers deserve this fate?
The important thing is not to stop questioning - Albert Einstein.
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Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Six men of Indostan describes the way people declare the knowledge they have about the earth ! It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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Suck my dick, OP.


My magnifying glass is broken, sorry. Get a life if you can't contribute.


No really, suck my dick.
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Go get a vacuum cleaner, I'm sure thats what you normally use. Troll.
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The Bible does not say how old the earth is.

It's not necessary to know the age of it to have faith.

It could be very old.

It says that the earth existed without form in the dark. That could have been for a long long, time.

Personally, I believe in the Big Bang. I believe in limited evolution. Adaption of species to a changing environment.

I also believe in Jesus Christ.
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this does not prove that the flood did it

Is that your science evidence, because ipresented the flood earlier, still unrefuted. Saying "no it doesn't" is not evidence.

dated by other methods too. Distance, speed of light, size, movement.

We'll go by dating methods reproducible in a lab, not alleged stellar theory. The stars moved in the past whether it was big bang or creation, and neither were observed. They cannot be used to date anything, nor are they needed.

But the results are the same anyway whoever says it!

Because someone says so is not proof, evidence is proof. Words in a book are not. I believe you said the same thing about the Bible. Evidence of young earth has been shown with pics showing flood sediment deposites. Until you tell me how the layers of the earth came to be with no erosion between layers, how the universal chalk layer happened, and how polystrate fossils happen the earth is young and all uniformitarian dating methods are flawed.

Fossils? I dont understand. So there were dinosaurs walking around before the flood? why didnt Noah save them?

I've already typed this four times this thread. Animals cannot lay on the ground or in the ocean without decay and consumption by weather and pest. The ONLY way to get fossils is to be buried in flood sediment immediately. No fossils are being made today, unless they get burried in a flood.

Yes, the dinos were preflood and it has been theorized by Dr. Dino they did make the Ark, as a small hatchling.


Evolution happens over a very long time, trying to monitor it in our time-scales is fruitless.

It has never been observed, not even in fruit flies, and they've tried. The great time periods allegedly needed for evolution do not exist.

I understand the basic fact that the Gospels were written by men. Then they were selected by men to be part of the Bible, bits were left out, some were classed as heresy and what remains is classed as the word of God. Also, this 'word of God' has been allowed to be changed over time and revised, compacted etc. Ever heard of Chinese whispers?

Four different accounts from four different perspectives
[link to www.carm.org]
What constitutes the Bible was well established before the RCC, leaving out the counterfit gnostics. The gnostic works were well known and even mentioned in the Bible, as well as Simon Peter who taught them and later went to Rome forming the RCC.
The Bible devotes much to false Christianity (Whore rides the Beast ect.)
[link to www.keyway.ca]
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]


I beleive what seems to be the most prominent.....

Ths majority are always wrong. There is no voting on science, we need evidence to determine science.(not a vote)

I dont understand this.

I know the truth escapes you with blinders on.
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Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.


Please do not tell me how I will feel before I die. I think I would be inhuman if I did not feel human emotions. Yes I feel fear of dying, but no fear of Hell, or excitement of Heaven. I accept that it is the end when I die, for all things.

If you can call me all those things, Wicked, aloof and opposed then what are you? Yes I am standing by my beliefs, I am looking at the facts laid out before me and I am choosing the most acceptable to me. I am trying to explain how my thinking works to you all. And I think I am right.


I'm telling you how you will feel when you die because it is the way others who have spoken like you felt before they were ended.

You have a callous and ugly policy which amounts to nothimg more than rejection of truth.

This why your death will be as horrible as can be arranged.


You must be a sad person inside to wish such horror on a person.


No. I'm just a person who believes in justice.


And what, exactly, did I do wrong that deserves death in the most horrible way as can be arranged? Do all non-believers deserve this fate?
 Quoting: Clavain


You are reasonably intelligent and yet you choose to ignore all that is obvious in favor of abject lies and untruths. Furthermore, you actively deploy these untruths and you do it in such a way so as to appear reasonable. This is most despicable.

You deny people the opportunity to return to the father.

There can only be adverse consquences for you.
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Radio Halos...Physicist Robert Gentry has reported isolated radio halos of polonuim-214 in crystalline granite. The half-life of this element is 0.000164 seconds! To record the existence of this element in such short time span, the granite must be in crystalline state instantaneously.10 This runs counter to evolutionary estimates of 300 million years for granite to form.
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Knowing the age of the earth, either ancient or only 7,000 years old is not a requirement of faith. No where does Christ say that we have to believe in a 7k year old earth.
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Praise The Holy Of Holy :: Six men of Indostan describes the way people declare the knowledge they have about the earth ! It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approach'd the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a wall!"

The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, -"Ho! what have we here
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a spear!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a snake!"

The Fourth reached out his eager hand,
And felt about the knee.
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he,
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a tree!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a fan!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Then, seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a rope!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

MORAL.

So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen!
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Your words amount to nothing at all.
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The only thing that may please me in all of this is that you will be rudely silenced.


Wow a vague death threat from an AC. I feel so scared!

Here is a thought, for ever MINUTE you use SATANís technology you will be tortured for a million years!!!

Iíll go phone this God fellow up for you and vouch for your need to go to hell.
 Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIII


You can't have it both ways.

Either you argue (like Satan) that your faults are the faults of your Creator because you didn't make yourself, in which case anything good you do can be attributed to the Creator, or you argue that whatever you do is your doing and in doing so concede that your faults are also your own.

Either way we win... for ever.

lmao
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Fart on you.
Cui Bono?
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The only thing that may please me in all of this is that you will be rudely silenced.


Wow a vague death threat from an AC. I feel so scared!

Here is a thought, for ever MINUTE you use SATANís technology you will be tortured for a million years!!!

Iíll go phone this God fellow up for you and vouch for your need to go to hell.


You can't have it both ways.

Either you argue (like Satan) that your faults are the faults of your Creator because you didn't make yourself, in which case anything good you do can be attributed to the Creator, or you argue that whatever you do is your doing and in doing so concede that your faults are also your own.

Either way we win... for ever.

lmao
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What? Of course I can have it both ways, if the people whom fear their "loving" god use the tools of the devil!

Lol the hypocracy of this thread is so entertaining!
"I don't know which was scarier...the speech...or the Congress cheering it. He evoked Lincoln. Whenever a President is going to get us into serious trouble...they always use Lincoln."
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The only thing that may please me in all of this is that you will be rudely silenced.


Wow a vague death threat from an AC. I feel so scared!

Here is a thought, for ever MINUTE you use SATANís technology you will be tortured for a million years!!!

Iíll go phone this God fellow up for you and vouch for your need to go to hell.


You can't have it both ways.

Either you argue (like Satan) that your faults are the faults of your Creator because you didn't make yourself, in which case anything good you do can be attributed to the Creator, or you argue that whatever you do is your doing and in doing so concede that your faults are also your own.

Either way we win... for ever.

lmao


What? Of course I can have it both ways, if the people whom fear their "loving" god use the tools of the devil!

Lol the hypocracy of this thread is so entertaining!
 Quoting: LouisWinthorpeIII


Satan's original person was created as a tool of the Creator, so there is no hypocracy, as long as whatever undertaking is undertaken according to the will of the father.
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this does not prove that the flood did it

Is that your science evidence, because ipresented the flood earlier, still unrefuted. Saying "no it doesn't" is not evidence.

dated by other methods too. Distance, speed of light, size, movement.

We'll go by dating methods reproducible in a lab, not alleged stellar theory. The stars moved in the past whether it was big bang or creation, and neither were observed. They cannot be used to date anything, nor are they needed.

But the results are the same anyway whoever says it!

Because someone says so is not proof, evidence is proof. Words in a book are not. I believe you said the same thing about the Bible. Evidence of young earth has been shown with pics showing flood sediment deposites. Until you tell me how the layers of the earth came to be with no erosion between layers, how the universal chalk layer happened, and how polystrate fossils happen the earth is young and all uniformitarian dating methods are flawed.

Fossils? I dont understand. So there were dinosaurs walking around before the flood? why didnt Noah save them?

I've already typed this four times this thread. Animals cannot lay on the ground or in the ocean without decay and consumption by weather and pest. The ONLY way to get fossils is to be buried in flood sediment immediately. No fossils are being made today, unless they get burried in a flood.

Yes, the dinos were preflood and it has been theorized by Dr. Dino they did make the Ark, as a small hatchling.


Evolution happens over a very long time, trying to monitor it in our time-scales is fruitless.

It has never been observed, not even in fruit flies, and they've tried. The great time periods allegedly needed for evolution do not exist.

I understand the basic fact that the Gospels were written by men. Then they were selected by men to be part of the Bible, bits were left out, some were classed as heresy and what remains is classed as the word of God. Also, this 'word of God' has been allowed to be changed over time and revised, compacted etc. Ever heard of Chinese whispers?

Four different accounts from four different perspectives
[link to www.carm.org]
What constitutes the Bible was well established before the RCC, leaving out the counterfit gnostics. The gnostic works were well known and even mentioned in the Bible, as well as Simon Peter who taught them and later went to Rome forming the RCC.
The Bible devotes much to false Christianity (Whore rides the Beast ect.)
[link to www.keyway.ca]
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]


I beleive what seems to be the most prominent.....

Ths majority are always wrong. There is no voting on science, we need evidence to determine science.(not a vote)

I dont understand this.

I know the truth escapes you with blinders on.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 412415


Going back to the beginning:

Before your much edited post, I was saying that I only look at what is given in front of me. I have looked at both sides of this argument and I find that, for me, the age of the world and universe is billions of years not 7000.

I actually think it is YOU with the blinders on, my friend. I am open to suggestions. I listen to all religions, but they do not convince.

Your 'proof' of a world 7000 years old and floods etc. are all based with a bias towards that premise. If you took a step back, (or took your blinders off) and looked at the evidence without trying to find a pattern, you would find what most scientists find.
The important thing is not to stop questioning - Albert Einstein.
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Not enough Stone Age skeletons.

Evolutionary anthropologists now say that Homo sapiens existed for at least 185,000 years before agriculture began, during which time the world population of humans was roughly constant, between one and ten million. All that time they were burying their dead, often with artifacts. By that scenario, they would have buried at least eight billion bodies.If the evolutionary time scale is correct, buried bones should be able to last for much longer than 200,000 years, so many of the supposed eight billion stone age skeletons should still be around (and certainly the buried artifacts). Yet only a few thousand have been found. This implies that the Stone Age was much shorter than evolutionists think, perhaps only a few hundred years in many areas.


If homo sapiens has been around 250,000 years, about how many should have lived in total to date, 7 where are there graves, skeletons & artifacts?!

But according to Lampbert Dolphin PhD (& many other PhDs) of the SRI [link to ldolphin.org]
from 8 humans living c4000 years ago (the survivors of Noah's Flood) is a perfect exponential growth curve to today's population of 6.5 billion!
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I'm sometimes stunned how people can think the world/universe is only 7000 years old....

The scientific proof is everywhere. Fossils? Geology? Carbon Dating?

Just looking through a telescope proves that the whole universe is billions of years old. Light takes millions of years to reach us from most stars. If the universe is 7000 years old, How can we see the stars?
 Quoting: Clavain


So is the distance of the stars calculation based on the speed of light, or is the age of the stars based on that? Everything we know is based on assumptions that may not prove to be true.
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Sure, the earth is billions of years old, and soon, 12 foot tall aliens will be landing on earth, to tell you they are extraterrestrials.
Whatever it takes to prove there is no God.
If one is blind, then they cannot see. Words do not create light for the blind, only the Spirit can do that.
If one is adamantly against the truth, no amount of light will illuminate them.
In an absolute, there is no way one can prove the age of the earth, one way or another. I can't prove it is 6983 years old, but I can't prove without an absolute doubt, that the earth is 20 billion years old either. It is what somebody takes faith in.
It is simply a choice of the mind.
When you die, you will go where you choose to follow.



So what you're saying is: Nothing can be absolutely proven.



According to some of the oldest writings known to men, there were people who thought just as you pretend to.

The earth split open, water gushed out and all of them were killed horribly.

There's a lesson there for you personally.


If this is meant to scare me, I can assure you it didn't work. I believe the flood happened, but not on such a grand scale, plus the Ark is nonsense (unless they kept DNA somehow with lost ancient knowledge). I believe it happened and I believe it killed a lot of people. But innocent people died too, believers died too.

When was the last time you heard of unexplainable things happening to 'bad' people? Probably this flood was the last time.

In my experience, it seems the 'bad' people dont get any worse treatment throughout their life than the devote belivers who do everything 'right'

I want to do what is best for the Species of Humans that are my family. I want to be a moral person who cares for others, but I don't need a reward like eternal life to be good. I think it is the end when my brain dies. But I am not sad, I am happy becasue I saw this life and was conscious of myself. I was and I am.


I doubt you'll feel the same way when you're about to die.
The one thing they don't tell you and the one thing always forgotten is that regardless of whether or not you'll be back... death is the most awful thing one can ever experience.

You say my comments do not scare you. That's fine. Similar comments did not scare people in Noah's time, but you can rest assured that when they heard the Earth's crust ripping, when it all wouldn't stop, and when they saw the sky end -- in a matter of moments -- they experienced the kind of fear not often repeated.

It's a kind of fear so potent -- it is risidual. It survives without the memory of death because death itself is not retained in the ethereal engram.

If I were you I would pray that my aloof and irreverent denials, my determined and deliberate opposition, my wicked suppression of truth -- does not result in a very sudden and very present reminder of a past trauma, because there aren't many effective ways to describe what I mean.


Please do not tell me how I will feel before I die. I think I would be inhuman if I did not feel human emotions. Yes I feel fear of dying, but no fear of Hell, or excitement of Heaven. I accept that it is the end when I die, for all things.

If you can call me all those things, Wicked, aloof and opposed then what are you? Yes I am standing by my beliefs, I am looking at the facts laid out before me and I am choosing the most acceptable to me. I am trying to explain how my thinking works to you all. And I think I am right.


I'm telling you how you will feel when you die because it is the way others who have spoken like you felt before they were ended.

You have a callous and ugly policy which amounts to nothimg more than rejection of truth.

This why your death will be as horrible as can be arranged.


You must be a sad person inside to wish such horror on a person.


No. I'm just a person who believes in justice.


And what, exactly, did I do wrong that deserves death in the most horrible way as can be arranged? Do all non-believers deserve this fate?


You are reasonably intelligent and yet you choose to ignore all that is obvious in favor of abject lies and untruths. Furthermore, you actively deploy these untruths and you do it in such a way so as to appear reasonable. This is most despicable.

You deny people the opportunity to return to the father.

There can only be adverse consquences for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 413258



'return to the father' so he is not here with you? the contradictions within your religion leave me unable to believe.

You want me to be 'ended' and you think it will be in a rather bad way.

What happened to your 'Love thy neighbour' Commandment?

Dont you see that religions seperate the species of Homo Sapiens? It is the main cause of wars and death, yet you call it a beautiful thing.
The important thing is not to stop questioning - Albert Einstein.
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One explanation is that the speed of light (c) has declined precipiately since the Creatio 7000 years ago.

At the instant of Creation its speed was infinite, so the light reached the earth at once!

This according to Barry Setterfield PhD, top Australian scientist [link to www.setterfield.org]

Many non-Creationists also posit a decrease in c.
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Those that believe this shit are the wingnuts that brainwashed me for almost 20 years while growing up attending a strict, albeit, hypocritical southern baptist school.

It took me along time to rid myself of the hold these wackos had on me.

At 29 I decided to go back to school last year and am a year away from graduating with a Geology degree.

I now have no doubt that the Earth is at least 4.6 billion years old. Science has taught me this and has allowed me to learn the methods to verify it.

You religious wackos took half of my life away from me, for that I will always be resentful.

I'm just lucky I woke up and discovered the truth before it was to late, unlike some around these here parts.
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I'm sometimes stunned how people can think the world/universe is only 7000 years old....

The scientific proof is everywhere. Fossils? Geology? Carbon Dating?

Just looking through a telescope proves that the whole universe is billions of years old. Light takes millions of years to reach us from most stars. If the universe is 7000 years old, How can we see the stars?


So is the distance of the stars calculation based on the speed of light, or is the age of the stars based on that? Everything we know is based on assumptions that may not prove to be true.
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It doesn't matter which - age or distance.

I will try to simplify this becasue people do not understand what I am trying to say.

If light-speed is constant through a Vaccuum (I have no reason to believe otherwise), then we can calculate the time and distance from stars to our planet.

If we use red-shifting to determine the distance of an example star, say 1,000,000 (1 million) Light Years, then it is a fact that the light travelling from that star takes 1 million years to reach our planet.

If we can see this star then 1 million years has passed in our universe beacause the light was created 1 million years ago, the travels through space for 1 million years and we see the image of a star today.

This only proves that the universe is this old, not the planet.
The important thing is not to stop questioning - Albert Einstein.
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Those that believe this shit are the wingnuts that brainwashed me for almost 20 years while growing up attending a strict, albeit, hypocritical southern baptist school.

It took me along time to rid myself of the hold these wackos had on me.

At 29 I decided to go back to school last year and am a year away from graduating with a Geology degree.

I now have no doubt that the Earth is at least 4.6 billion years old. Science has taught me this and has allowed me to learn the methods to verify it.

You religious wackos took half of my life away from me, for that I will always be resentful.

I'm just lucky I woke up and discovered the truth before it was to late, unlike some around these here parts.
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Well done on getting the degree (soon). Something I would like to do myself. Can you explain then how you verify a 4.6 billion year old earth?

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