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The World is only 7000 years old

 
Jimy2times
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As far as I am concerned, this universe did not exist until I was born. I am the center of my own universe. I do not know who let you in. First of all you smell, and whats with the hairy armpit?
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wow, same thing happened to me.. too funny, :-)
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Actually, it's only been going on for about a century or so.

Before that time people had no problem accepting what was written in scripture.
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Read your own Bible... not even all of the Children of Israel accepted was was writen by the very finger of God. So, it has been going on for so much longer than just a century.

People have always had a hard time accepting what is written even in the Old Testament, even that which had only been writen down of it in King David's day.
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The Jewish calendar puts the year at 5768, it has been that long since Adam has been created, or at least was expelled from the Garden.

We know that when Adam was created God told him to be fruitful and mulitply, to REPLENISH the earth, seem to me he wouldn't say that unless the earth had been full at some time before Adam was created.

Doesn't say what was here on earth before Adam, only that something or someone(s) was here.

It also says that God created the earth in six days, and on the seventh he rested. It does NOT say that these were Seven CONSECUTIVE days, only that it was seven days.

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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Mt. 19.4 · Mk. 10.6

28 And God blessed them, Gen. 5.1, 2 and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


The point here being that it doesn't rule out the earth being older than 5768 years.

Whatever you do, read what ever you can, DO NOT take mine or anybody else's WORD for it, make up YOUR own mind, but investigate the matter for yourself.

The one thing you can be sure of, be it science or faith, every question answered will bring forth more questions, that is eternal, peace and madness lie within, choose wisely. :-)
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So where is this garden that Adam was kicked out of? Any archeological evidence for it?
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.
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I'd say you have NO idea what the definition of a fossil is.
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.
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A fossilized anything IS NOT MADE WITH BONE!
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So how do you religious fanatic's explain the movement of the continents? Just wondering..
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A growing expanding Earth is yet another hypothesis.

Enoch would say, "angels" do it.

The continents are very faithfully obeying all the laws of Physics that God created and laid done. They do not know that they are not supposed to. IT's not their fault really, no one has told them to disobey the God known laws of physics.
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 294313

Is it that hard to comprehend? years are like sand on a beach, each one individual, put trillions of them together and you have a beach.

A million years is not much compared to 13 billion years

What is a second, compared to an entire day, and yet you couldn't have an entire day without at LEAST one second.
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The Jewish calendar puts the year at 5768, it has been that long since Adam has been created, or at least was expelled from the Garden.

We know that when Adam was created God told him to be fruitful and mulitply, to REPLENISH the earth, seem to me he wouldn't say that unless the earth had been full at some time before Adam was created.

Doesn't say what was here on earth before Adam, only that something or someone(s) was here.

It also says that God created the earth in six days, and on the seventh he rested. It does NOT say that these were Seven CONSECUTIVE days, only that it was seven days.

[link to www.bartleby.com]

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Mt. 19.4 · Mk. 10.6

28 And God blessed them, Gen. 5.1, 2 and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


The point here being that it doesn't rule out the earth being older than 5768 years.

Whatever you do, read what ever you can, DO NOT take mine or anybody else's WORD for it, make up YOUR own mind, but investigate the matter for yourself.

The one thing you can be sure of, be it science or faith, every question answered will bring forth more questions, that is eternal, peace and madness lie within, choose wisely. :-)

So where is this garden that Adam was kicked out of? Any archeological evidence for it?
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Four rivers are give, two are known. Read on and you will find out. You don't have to BELIEVE something in order to READ it. What harm has ever come from READING something?
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Meant to read, four rivers are given, or listed in the bible for the location of Eden...
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.

A fossilized anything IS NOT MADE WITH BONE!
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The only way a complete and intact fossil can be created is for the creature to be immediately covered up with dirt/mud after it's demise.


[link to www.fossilmall.com]
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forget it folks. people like the OP and his/her mates use less than 1% of their brain. they're dead and midless sheeple slaves. they will never accept the truth and its evidence...they rather life their mentally ill delusions.

let's see how they'll raect when the ufos and its good ets take over this planet and land/show up in masses in every major city of the world. the question here is NOT if...no...the question here is WHEN.

people like the OP won't be tolerated by them.
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.

A fossilized anything IS NOT MADE WITH BONE!




The only way a complete and intact fossil can be created is for the creature to be immediately covered up with dirt/mud after it's demise.


[link to www.fossilmall.com]
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TALK ABOUT SPECULATION!
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.

A fossilized anything IS NOT MADE WITH BONE!




The only way a complete and intact fossil can be created is for the creature to be immediately covered up with dirt/mud after it's demise.


[link to www.fossilmall.com]
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Where it crystallizes etc and lasts for a million years or 65 million years, unsullied by that passage of time?? Come on...
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forget it folks. people like the OP and his/her mates use less than 1% of their brain. they're dead and midless sheeple slaves. they will never accept the truth and its evidence...they rather life their mentally ill delusions.

let's see how they'll raect when the ufos and its good ets take over this planet and land/show up in masses in every major city of the world. the question here is NOT if...no...the question here is WHEN.

people like the OP won't be tolerated by them.
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UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.
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forget it folks. people like the OP and his/her mates use less than 1% of their brain. they're dead and midless sheeple slaves. they will never accept the truth and its evidence...they rather life their mentally ill delusions.

let's see how they'll raect when the ufos and its good ets take over this planet and land/show up in masses in every major city of the world. the question here is NOT if...no...the question here is WHEN.

people like the OP won't be tolerated by them.


UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.
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Kinda like god.
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forget it folks. people like the OP and his/her mates use less than 1% of their brain. they're dead and midless sheeple slaves. they will never accept the truth and its evidence...they rather life their mentally ill delusions.

let's see how they'll raect when the ufos and its good ets take over this planet and land/show up in masses in every major city of the world. the question here is NOT if...no...the question here is WHEN.

people like the OP won't be tolerated by them.


UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.


Kinda like god.
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Where is the UFO Bible?
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forget it folks. people like the OP and his/her mates use less than 1% of their brain. they're dead and midless sheeple slaves. they will never accept the truth and its evidence...they rather life their mentally ill delusions.

let's see how they'll raect when the ufos and its good ets take over this planet and land/show up in masses in every major city of the world. the question here is NOT if...no...the question here is WHEN.

people like the OP won't be tolerated by them.


UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.


Kinda like god.


Where is the UFO Bible?
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Star wars.
Its just as historically accurate. If not more so.
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.

A fossilized anything IS NOT MADE WITH BONE!




The only way a complete and intact fossil can be created is for the creature to be immediately covered up with dirt/mud after it's demise.


[link to www.fossilmall.com]


Where it crystallizes etc and lasts for a million years or 65 million years, unsullied by that passage of time?? Come on...
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I'm not claiming the age of fossils as being in the 65 million year old time frame.


If you look back at my previous posts, you'd see I posted information debunking the accuracy of radiocarbon dating.


I was pointing out that a dead animal would need to be quickly covered up by dirt/mud shortly after they died before other animals pick them apart, which would leave their bones strewn about, rather than intact.


as for being "unsullied by that passage of time"....yes, the covering of dirt/mud protects it from the elements.


How else would you explain how fossils occur??
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A creation day is "a morning and an evening" or "light and dark". No mention of 24 hours per se.

I always took that Peter 3:8 to be a way of saying that time is no boundary to God.
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The only honest way to handle the first three "creation days" is to view them as three cycles of brightness to darkness. As in Bright, Dark, Bright, Dark, Bright, Dark.

No rotation of the planet even required. No Greater Light, no Lesser Light and no Stars even needed.

Brighness, Dimness, Brightness, Dimness, Brightness, Dimness. That is all you can get out of those first three "days".

Here's a thought. Take a ball of pure water 1/2 the diameter of Earth. Hang it out there in "free space". Surround the surface of that dark deep surging mass of water with something physical, like the physical manifestion of the spirit of God. Now, Say... induce a sonic vibration onto the surface of that water. Will it sonoluminese? Will it light up all on its own this mass of water? Is there now metallic water at its core with all sorts of interesting electrical properties?

Is it possible three cycles of sonoluminescent lightening and dimming would occur?

Will this induction of physical mechanical sonic energy begin that mass of self lighting water to begin rotation around some axis?

One "day four" the Lesser Light need not even be the Moon, it most likely represents the Milky Way Galaxy. "For signs, and for seasons, and for days and years." What, no months? Why not months?

Is the Moon always in the night sky? No. How then can it be said to "rule the night"? Is the Milky Way always in the night sky? Yes and from every location throughout the year on Earth.

It is only after or at the end of the fourth day that we can think in terms of "literal 24 hour" days. Only then can we begin to think in terms of astronomical dynamic time, hence only then can we think in terms of what we humans call seasons, and days, and years.
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i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.


I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.

A fossilized anything IS NOT MADE WITH BONE!




The only way a complete and intact fossil can be created is for the creature to be immediately covered up with dirt/mud after it's demise.


[link to www.fossilmall.com]


Where it crystallizes etc and lasts for a million years or 65 million years, unsullied by that passage of time?? Come on...



I'm not claiming the age of fossils as being in the 65 million year old time frame.


If you look back at my previous posts, you'd see I posted information debunking the accuracy of radiocarbon dating.


I was pointing out that a dead animal would need to be quickly covered up by dirt/mud shortly after they died before other animals pick them apart, which would leave their bones strewn about, rather than intact.


as for being "unsullied by that passage of time"....yes, the covering of dirt/mud protects it from the elements.


How else would you explain how fossils occur??
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Obviously god put them there to fuck with us.
He's quite the trickster.
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laughlaugh
UFO's are figments of peoples imagination. Until I see the mothership parking in Times Square, its irrelevant and unproven.
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lmaolmaobsflagbsflag

so the ships i sometimes see over my house are just "imagination"...eh?!

they will doom like minded people like you op...why?!
because YOU and your kind are the CAUSE for all this mess in which this tiny planet called earth currently is!

you FORCE them to intervene...with your primitivenes, your stupidy and with your mental illnes. you fantics are DANGEROUSLY insane! they will intervene as soon as you fanatic lil' pieces of dumb shit cross "the line".

do you REALLY think that earth is the only planet, in this every second expanding universe, which inhabits INTELLIGENT life?!

there are FAR greater, more spiritual (not religious) beings living in the universe and other planets than mankind on earth!

many of em' are FAR more advanced than mankind on earth will ever be.

you can't simply take the humans on earth as THE "standard".

the time WILL come...just cross the line and you fanatics will be TOAST!

nuf said...you guys are not worth my words...you don't even understand the words coming outta' my mouth.
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The other question is, did man come into existence 6000 years ago, around 4,000 B.C. how quite a few people think???

Even though the earth is billions of years old, man people think man was created 6000 years ago.
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This depends on how one processes the various and sundry chronologies or rather geneaologies found in the Old Testament and even the New Testament. There are various different methods that have been purposed and used. Results vary considerably.

Still, it all begs the question of just how long in terms of atomic clock time the Year of the Pre-Deluge world was. It could have been considerably different from what we find it today. We are never even told how many days were in those years.
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It has to be, how can a piece of rock or a skull be descibed as a 'million years old' or whatver, it would be less than dust by that time span.... discuss please.
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You're all wrong. The earth is only 6000 years old. Tracing the genealogical records of the Bible takes us back to 4004 BC. We are approaching the "Sabbath Millenium". We have had 6000 years of "work". We will go with Christ for 1000 years. THAT will complete the 7000 year period. Of course, a day is as a thousand years to God and a thoushand years as a day. That means when we go with Jesus, we will be going only on a day trip. The earth will lie fallow for a thousand years. It will only be a day for us.

If anything, science is now showing that when it comes to the "theory of everything", EVERYTHING is on the table. Science PROVES that they cannot go beyond the "creation" event that they themselves say happened by playing the quantum mechanics movie backwards. There WAS an event, but they say it happened billions of years ago. The speed of light (186,282 mps in a vacuum) was the DEFINING measure of the age of the universe. That no longer applies. The double-slit experiments and non-local phenomena including zero-point energy vortexes shows that there is NO upper limit to lightspeed. A quanta of light split, even if they are billions of light years apart, will INSTANTLY react to changes in the other's aspects. What this basically means is that light can, theoretically, travel from one end of the universe to the other in a single moment of time. This has traditional science scratching their heads and refusing to even look into the matter because their "standard model" works so well. It really does not matter to cosmologists because their model works well enough to search out the deepest darkest parts of our universe. Quantum physicists are not bothered either because their model works well enough to create all kinds of gadgets at the quantum level. However, they cannot bridge the gap because they will not stray from their comfort zones. This has happened to science many times through the ages. There is always a "single" truth that emerges that changes everything. We are approaching that single truth and a revolution in science is going on. This is why EVERYTHING is now on the table. NOTHING can be rejected outright--even the heretical notion of a supreme intelligence. God forbid. There may ACTUALLY BE a an intelligent designer out there somewhere.

The truth of the matter is far stranger than any fiction.
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e=mc2

It says that to find the energy, you multiply the mass by the square of the speed of light

Not the AMMOUNT of light, but the SPEED at which light travels.

the Energy of a given object is equal to the amount of MASS it has, by the SPEED of LIGHT squared.

God may put as much light into the universe as he wished, but that won't make this equation and less true....

it is the SPEED of light that is the CONSTANT, not the ammount of light available
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The amount of Electro magnetic energy is an Energy. Light is an electromagnetic energy. THe more light, the more electromagnetic energy. Increasing E in that equation has to change the value of C, or conversely change the value of M to hold C constant. DO photons have mass or do they convert to an additional mass when they are asborbed by protons, neurtron, and electrons?

TO find the value of C we find then that C = square root (E/M) Now, increase E holding M constant, what happens to C?

If this equation can not hold up to algebraic manipulation it is then an inequality and not an equality.
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Afraid not.
Science doesn't dictate belief.
Save that for your bible.
Science is the exploration of truth.
I know you can't understand this concept, you and your ilk must be TOLD what to believe.
And its quite a pity.
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So then, YOU did all these experiments yourself? And do you have faith in your instruments? If you did not do all of these experiments yourself, then you too have to TRUST or have FAITH in what others have reported to be the case.

Even if you did all these experiments yourself, you still would have to have trust or faith that your instruments were not giving faulty reading, or even that you were not mis-interpreting the data your instruments were giving you.

Faith. Maybe not Blind Faith, but faith and trust all the same.
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Spend an hour flipping through the photos on
[link to antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov]

and come to the conclusion that the earth is the center of the universe and only 7000 years old.

Wake up OP. You are asleep, dreaming in the bible...Close it and open your eyes!

The earth is about as significant as the 100M skin cells that fell off your body today.

Our experiences here however are significant and have meaning.

Peace!

Sans Peur
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lmaolmaobsflagbsflag

so the ships i sometimes see over my house are just "imagination"...eh?!

they will doom like minded people like you op...why?!
because YOU and your kind are the CAUSE for all this mess in which this tiny planet called earth currently is!

you FORCE them to intervene...with your primitivenes, your stupidy and with your mental illnes. you fantics are DANGEROUSLY insane! they will intervene as soon as you fanatic lil' pieces of dumb shit cross "the line".

do you REALLY think that earth is the only planet, in this every second expanding universe, which inhabits INTELLIGENT life?!

there are FAR greater, more spiritual (not religious) beings living in the universe and other planets than mankind on earth!

many of em' are FAR more advanced than mankind on earth will ever be.

you can't simply take the humans on earth as THE "standard".

the time WILL come...just cross the line and you fanatics will be TOAST!

nuf said...you guys are not worth my words...you don't even understand the words coming outta' my mouth.
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I do, but unfortunately for you, you have no substantial evidence to back up what you claim....which borders on maniacal.....


and puts you in the same category as who you mock.


So you'll need to provide PROOF of your claims.....

otherwise what YOU just said is just a 'fairy tale myth.'
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Anyone heard of David Talbott's Saturn myth?

[link to www.aeonjournal.com]
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PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles." Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info

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Re: The World is only 7000 years old
Superluminal and tachyons.

Superluminal is faster than the speed of light.

"A superluminal phenomenon is a frame of reference traveling with a speed greater than the speed of light c. There is a putative class of particles dubbed tachyons which are able to travel faster than light. Faster-than-light phenomena violate the usual understanding of the "flow" of time, a state of affairs which is known as the causality problem (and also called the "Shalimar Treaty")."

[link to scienceworld.wolfram.com]
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As much as I don't subscribe to the Orthodox doctine of the Trinity, I can begin to see just how it could be that having gained the spiritual body after the resurrection, and having been granted all power over the current creation, the Christ could then travel faster than the speed of light back and appear in the Theophany at Mt.Sinai. He could even travel back to the very beginning of time itself to be one that speaks "let there be light" and hence be a co-creator with God. But that still would not make him the Father, he would still be the Son.

All the same, the concept of tachyon superluminal travel and its causality problems could help to understand certain scripture in the New Testament without there being a need to accept the Orthodox Trinity Doctrine.

(not all Christians are Trinitarians)

It is said in the Book of Joshua that "Jehovah is the El of the Elohiym", He is the God of the gods. He is the creator of those gods.

It is also speculated with some grounds that the first letter of Genesis 1:1 was Aleph, and that over time it got "lost". Having Aleph as the first letter of Genesis 1:1 would cause it to be rendered something like: "Father, in beginning created elohiym, the heavens and the earth." If that Father be Jehovah, then we have a rendering of "Jehovah, in beginning created elohiym, the heavens, and the earth." This then would set Jehovah as the All Mighty Creator of the gods, the Heavens, and the Earth.

But one of the Sons of Jehovah, that is to say, Jesus Christ, is a Son of Jehovah, now then he is one of these Elohiym, having been created by Jehovah (only at a much later date than these six days of creaton), and that would put Christ back during those six days of creation, without him being God the Son of the Orthodox Trinity doctrine, and still be present at the creation of the Heavens and the Earth. He could still be called, "god the Son" being one of the Elohiym." And that usage would not imply that He was His Father.

Interesting approach, based on tachyons and superluminal travel, being time travel into the past.

But then we do run into that causality problem.

At first he wasn't there when Jehovah said, Let there be light, and then he was there because he came back from the future. But then could Christ have then had a hand in the six days of creation other than as an observer? Being only an observer to his Father's creation of the Elohiym, the Heavens, and the Earth, and doing no creative work himself at that time he would not necessarily be posing any causality problem. And then he could have been one of the sons of Elohiym that rejoiced along with the morning stars at the creative work Jehovah was doing, hence the Bright and Morning "Star".

It would seem then that the temporal problems reach some sort of stable state, much like the collapse of a quantum supposition wave achieves a stable state.

All an interesting speculation.

Even in this fashion Christ could then state, "Before Moses, I am." And still use the present tense, "I am," instead of "I was." Not outside of Time, but not bound by the normal directional flow of time from past to future, being able to travel from future to past or right back to the beginning of time it but still "in Time".

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