The World is only 7000 years old

Flat earth society.
Please keep your fairy tales to yourself.
There is OVERWHELMING evidence the earth is FAR greater than 6,000 years old.
If you can't see that then you aren't looking.
Science will always be SUPERIOR to religion.
You see Scientists disagreeing with one another as a weakness.
I see Religions strict adherence to man made beliefs as fundementally flawed at best, and downright naive at worst.
Discover the truth yourself, dont rely on an ancient MAN MADE book for all your beliefs. When you do that, you become nothing more than slaves.

Nope,don't live in the bible belt. Not even in that country. The land I walk upon is 7000 years old.

I think the proper interpretation is that the present civilization started 6000 years ago. That is shown by the archeological record.

And, the present civilization has, so far, "culiminated" in monotheism. Is this 6000 year span involve the manifestation of god incarnate, as in; "in the flesh"?

Is your name Darwin? If so, your argumants are fundamentally flawed.

Because a book told you so.
Actually....
The bible doesn't even say that.
Its more of man trying to interpret what the bible says.
So basically, you believe whatever you want. Despite evidence or hell even the supposed "word of god"

Another one...

Why don't you discover research yourself too instead of just listening to what you are told. List your overwhelming evidence.

e=mc2

It says that to find the energy, you multiply the mass by the square of the speed of light

Not the AMMOUNT of light, but the SPEED at which light travels.

the Energy of a given object is equal to the amount of MASS it has, by the SPEED of LIGHT squared.

God may put as much light into the universe as he wished, but that won't make this equation and less true....

it is the SPEED of light that is the CONSTANT, not the ammount of light available

Until you give up your BELIEF in a man-made fairy tale you are in NO position to call anyones arguments "fundamentally flawed".

So the earth is 4.5 billion years old you believe. Because a scientist told you so?

Afraid not.
Science doesn't dictate belief.
Save that for your bible.
Science is the exploration of truth.
I know you can't understand this concept, you and your ilk must be TOLD what to believe.
And its quite a pity.

Sorry my error has been corrected ...

It says that to find the energy, you multiply the mass by the speed of lightsquared

Not the AMMOUNT of light, but the SPEED at which light travels.

the Energy of a given object is equal to the amount of MASS it has, by the SPEED of LIGHT squared.

God may put as much light into the universe as he wished, but that won't make this equation and less true....

it is the SPEED of light that is the CONSTANT, not the ammount of light available

The only fairy tale I hear about in this thread is that which says a piece of rock in my hand can be millions if not billions of years old. Our 365 day year. Its not possible.

Am very familar with L.Dolphins writings.

Given that from the advent of Adam, the 1,656 (Masoretic text) of their "years", from Adam to Noah the population could have ranged from roughly almost 2,000 people to 12 Billion or even more.

But the same question remains as to what happend to all the bones of those 2,000 to 12 billion people, the same question as was asked about the remains of those homo spaiens that had been around for 250,000 years.. were are the bones.. forget the graves and artifacts, were are the bones.

Could it be they all got pooled together in large local pockets and are now buried under 1 mile of mud and sediment?

What exactly IS 1,000 feet under YOUR feet?

Superluminal and tachyons.


Superluminal is faster than the speed of light.





"A superluminal phenomenon is a frame of reference traveling with a speed greater than the speed of light c. There is a putative class of particles dubbed tachyons which are able to travel faster than light. Faster-than-light phenomena violate the usual understanding of the "flow" of time, a state of affairs which is known as the causality problem (and also called the "Shalimar Treaty")."



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Because you don't understand Geology it is not possible?
ARE you serious?
Ignorance is fine, but when you decide to REMAIN ignorant to bolster your own beliefs.
Well that is a great tragedy.

To follow up with my previous post, I disagree with this. I believe the Harold Camping timeline to it. Adam and Eve, man, and new evolution of consciousness happened around 11,000 B.C. Humans were around before 11,000 B.C. but they didn't have the brain capacity, consciousness to determine right from wrong.

So something happened around 11,000 B.C. that drastically changed human consciousness and possibly enlarged the brains on humans almost instantly. Possibly the radiation of cosmic rays that did this, or possibly a monolith type of rock that came from another galaxy that had this tremendous force on the human species. (i.e. Space Oddsey 2001) Just a hunch :)


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A 7000 year-old Earth is PURE SUPERSTITION. We have proven it many, MANY times over with the eyes, ears, and brains that God gave us. If Christianity depends on a 7000 year-old Earth for any degree of legitmacy (which, in truth, it does NOT), then it is a defunct, out-dated, irrelevant, useless mythology that should be abandoned like the plague.

What are these proofs. Like I say, you folks can't keep coming on here and rubbishing it without giving evidence to the contrary. If you can't do that then it shows you believe it because you have been told it. You believe it blindly.

How can a religious zealot even say something like this?
Can you BE more hypocritical?
The evidence is all around us, look up at the night sky.
ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED.
You fundies are downright unbelievable in your arrogance and hypocritical nature.

Doppler Red Shift then is the metric you are using in arguing the distance or age that a star is away from us?

Light speed by itself will never tell us how old or how far away that light source is, unless we are both at the light source observing when it is switched on AND at this distant observation point simultaneously. This is in itself a very big part of Relativistic Physics.

Locally we have other reasons than light speed (hence light travel distance) as far as our Sun is concerned. THe orbital dynamics place it approximately on a average of 93,000,000 miles. From that we can and do conclude the Sun is about 8 light minutes away, and can assume that what we here see happening on the Sun happened 8 minutes ago. Of course SOHO has a slightly different observation point, which helps to verify all this.

The the situation changes with even Wolf 359 or Alpha Centuari thought to be 4.3 Light Years away (approx).. we an otherwise attempt to triangulate on Wolf 359 or Alpha Centuari, but our base-line here on Earth for such triangulation is questionably adequate. By the the time we get to considering Sirius at an alleged 50 light years out.. all we have to go on really is its apparent motion across the field of view, as our base line on Earth is inadequate to triangulate its distance. By the time we get to the Galaxies our baseline for triangluation even if it spans the entire solar system is still inadequate as a base-line for finding their distances by triangulation. Hence we have not geometric way to determine how far away they really are, and hence no real idea as to how many light years away they really are.

It seems that for the most part Doppler Red Shift is the only tool we have that might tell us their relative distances. From that we allege that such and such is so many light year out there, like say 6,000 light years. Or 11 Billion light years. 6,000 light years away is not a real challange to even the most die hard Young Earth - Young Universe fundamentalist but 11 billion light years most certainly is.

It seems the age is based on the alleged distances as given by the allegations of using Doppler Red Shift as a way to measure distance (even though gravity lenses can mess with the results). If the Doppler Red Shift approach is in error, then we have few reasons to believe the Universe itself is more than 6,000 years old. The whole question then seems to live or die based on the doppler red shift as to the age of the Universe (not the age of the Earth). Not only that, but the apparent "age" also alleges a certain size for the visible universe.

Does light ever get tired?

C'mon! Are you being coy? The proof is elsewhere - some of it covered in high school. The amount of geological and cultural evidence that it is older than 7000 years completely overwhelms all arguments to the contrary. Fossils, artifacts, debris, carbon-dating, the fact that we have elements heavier than iron, the light from far-away galaxies, the list goes on and on and on. You might have a better shot at proving 2+2=3.

There is really no Scriptual reason to believe that there aren't other life forms out there and intelligent ones at that. But if they are offspring of Adam and Eve, then Biblically speaking they need the salvation offered through Jesus Christ. Since they would most likely not be offspring of Adam and Eve, then one could think that the Creator of the Universe would have worked out His own deal with them and there is no need for Him to tell us about such a deal He had worked out with them either.

And even for the record, this Universe may not even be the Only Physical Universe, the texts do read, "the heavenS" in the plural.

And by the way, the only three that can judge whether or not someone has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord, is that person himself and Jesus Christ and God.

Only God knows WHO WILL and when they will.

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Assumed constancy of radioactive decay rates.

Science merely replaces the Creator with the Creation as God.

The Jewish calendar puts the year at 5768, it has been that long since Adam has been created, or at least was expelled from the Garden.

We know that when Adam was created God told him to be fruitful and mulitply, to REPLENISH the earth, seem to me he wouldn't say that unless the earth had been full at some time before Adam was created.

Doesn't say what was here on earth before Adam, only that something or someone(s) was here.

It also says that God created the earth in six days, and on the seventh he rested. It does NOT say that these were Seven CONSECUTIVE days, only that it was seven days.

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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Mt. 19.4 · Mk. 10.6

28 And God blessed them, Gen. 5.1, 2 and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


The point here being that it doesn't rule out the earth being older than 5768 years.

Whatever you do, read what ever you can, DO NOT take mine or anybody else's WORD for it, make up YOUR own mind, but investigate the matter for yourself.

The one thing you can be sure of, be it science or faith, every question answered will bring forth more questions, that is eternal, peace and madness lie within, choose wisely. :-)

Science is a daughter of Philosophy. Philosophy means "in the wisdom of brothers." aka. mankind. In mankind's wisdom.

Science is a human creation springing from Philosophy which is another human created set of teachings.

i have a one word question: dinosaurs.
if world is 12,000 years old, and the bible covers, why didn't someone bring up dinosaurs somewhere in the goddamn book?

in reality, homo sapiens have been walking the planet for over 200,000 years.... some people will never see the truth.

As far as I am concerned, this universe did not exist until I was born. I am the center of my own universe. I do not know who let you in. First of all you smell, and whats with the hairy armpit?

Oh i guess you didn't visit the creatonist museum.

I keep going back to the fossilized skull argument. Bone,calcium or whatever makes up the skull,simply cannot exist as we know it for a million years. A million years,its such an enormous quantity of time. A billion years is unthinkable.