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Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq

 
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Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq
Congressional Democrats: The Other Insurgents
by Michael Reagan

There must have been times when Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker thought they were back in embattled Sadr City when they faced Democrats on Capitol Hill this week -- no Iraqi insurgents or al Sadr militiamen could have been more hostile.

No wonder. The goals of the Democrats and both al Qaeda and al Sadr insurgents are the same: the defeat of the United States in the war in Iraq.


From the opening statement by Sen. Carl Levin -- a vitriolic tirade against the war -- to the less vehement but equally unfriendly statements by the Clinton woman and her rival for their party’s presidential nomination, Sen. Barack Obama, the Democrats made no secret of their burning desire to see the United States humiliated by a defeat in Iraq.

Clinton derided the obvious fact that a hasty withdrawal from Iraq would be dangerously irresponsible, and refused to admit that the surge is working: “I think it could be fair to say that it might well be irresponsible to continue the policy that has not produced the results that have been promised time and time again at such tremendous cost,” she told Petraeus, blithely ignoring the continuing successes of his strategy.

Let’s just get out and to hell with the consequences was the gist of what she said.

Obama defined success in Iraq as when “there's still corruption, but the country is struggling along, but it's not a threat to its neighbors and it's not an al-Qaeda base,” while failing to recognize that the near-immediate withdrawal of U.S. forces would create a nightmare situation in the entire region.

As Jacob Laksin wrote in FrontPageMagazine.com on April 10 (Petraeus vs. The Party of Defeat): “In the end, neither Democratic candidate gave any indication that they understand the stakes in Iraq. Nor was there any evidence that they -- or anyone else in their party -- would be willing to make the necessary if unpopular decisions needed for success.”

Laksin noted that Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman had described the Democrats’ attitude this week as “hear no progress in Iraq, see no progress in Iraq, and most of all, speak of no progress in Iraq.”

He could have added that his former party had reversed Gen. Douglas McArthur’s declaration that there is no substitute for victory to read, “There is no substitute for your country’s defeat when you want to win elections.”

Although targeted from the outset, both Petraeus and Crocker managed manfully to withstand the often nasty implications inherent in the Democrats’ questioning. Petraeus even treated Mrs. Clinton as if she were a lady, despite the fact that the last time he came to the Hill to talk about the situation in Iraq she all but called him a liar before his appearance.

Frankly, I don’t know how he sat there being so respectful of these people, when they are doing everything in their power to undermine what he’s doing. They are also giving hope, not to our troops, but to the enemy which is trying to kill them.

Sen. Jay Rockefeller helped to set the tone for his Democratic colleagues before the hearings when he accused his colleague, war hero Sen. John McCain, of what amounts to a war crime saying, "McCain was a fighter pilot who dropped laser-guided missiles from 35,000 feet. He was long gone when they hit. What happened when they [the missiles] get to the ground? He doesn't know. You have to care about the lives of people. McCain never gets into those issues."

Sen. Rockefeller was forced to apologize to McCain. He didn’t explain how he, as chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, did not know that when John McCain was flying missions over North Vietnam there were no such things as laser guided missiles.

If we had listened to the defeatist Democrats there wouldn’t be 175,000 trained Iraqi soldiers, 379,000 trained Iraqi police, 90,000 trained Sons of Iraq, and you wouldn’t have Maliki, a Shia leader, sending his military into Basra to fight Shia militias.

Instead, al Sadr would be running Iraq with the help of Iran, and bin Laden would be using Iraq as a training base for al Qaeda.


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Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq
They all work for the Brits.

Go back to sleep.
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Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq
well, my position is, if you are going to start a war, f*cking do it! they have been pussy footing around over there way to long
war is killing everything, man,woman, child, pets, everything, you turn the country into a meat grinder and don't stop
i am not sure what we are doing over there, but it isn't working

btw, since i feel that way, war is the LAST option
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Can Republicans Win On Iraq?

Matthew Yglesias is puzzled at the GOP's confidence over Iraq:

The GOP, it seems, is not only convinced that we're "winning" in Iraq (though they can't define what this means) but they're sure they've found a winning issue in the war. Their confidence is a little hard to understand.

Are the Republicans politically suicidal? I don't think so. The public can oppose you on a specific policy question but still favor you on the issue in general. Richard Nixon was fighting an unpopular war in 1972, but he still crushed George McGovern on foreign policy. Likewise, despite the unpopularity of the Iraq war, John McCain's general hawkishness might still be an asset for him.

A Democracy Corps poll, highlighted by Ed Kilgore, suggests exactly that. When presented with the choice of a generic Democrat or Republican, voters strongly prefer a Democrat. But when asked to choose between John McCain and either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, they side with McCain. Democracy Corps calls this swing group -- generically pro-Democrat, actually pro-McCain -- "wanna-D's." (Yes, it's an annoying phrase.) One factor in the Wanna-D's support for McCain is that just over half of them believe that he'd "mostly bring a different approach than President Bush" on foreign policy. So tying McCain to Bush is important.

But Kilgore identifies what seems to be the crucial factor:

by a startling 33 percentage points, the "Wanna-Ds" say they worry more that Clinton or Obama will be too reluctant to use military force abroad, than McCain being too willing to use military force abroad. Given the wording here, the question is about as clear an indicator of which party's candidates control the "center" on national security as you are going to find.


So there you have it. Iraq may not be popular, but the general perception (which isnot the same thing as reality) that they're willing to fight the bad guys remains a key positive for the GOP brand. Am I saying the Democrats need to try to mimic Republican positions in order to win? Not at all. A creative approach is needed, and Obama's combination of dovishness on iraq and hawkishness on al Qaeda in Pakistan strikes me as probably the best approach.

But I am saying that the challenge is steep, liberals are far too confident about the political terrain, and Republicans are far from crazy to stick with Bush on Iraq.

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We should not be in Iraq period, pac-punk. We were lead into an ILLEGAL and IMMORAL war by a bunch of lying NEOCUNT sons of bitches. Any argument about whether we can win (yeah maybe if we kill off three quarters of the Iraqi population, in other words-genocide) or lose is irrelevant. By now I figured most reasonably intelligent people would begin to understand that the "insurgents" you speak of are actually a legitimate Iraqi resistance to an illegal occupation. Got that pac-punk? As far as Al-Qaeda goes, watch the BBC documentary "The Politics of Fear" and actually learn something useful with that brainwashed and decrepit brain of yours....
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Yeah, we need to totally wipe out all the muslim slime in the world. To do that we need to draft everybody who can see to shoot a gun and send them to Iraq.

PAc is ready to volunteer right now. Got your bag packed? You do know how to shhot a gun don't you? Or are you just all hat and no cattle?
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Perhaps they should instead wipe out PACNW guy!
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lmao
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PACNWguy's mental deficiency has reached it's all time high!

According to the latest polls he is functioning at 27%!!!

Desparation is obvious...

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Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq
Why would they want to defeat us just because we killed a million of their citizens, stole their oil and weakened the whole ME in support of the Israeli fascist policy of controlling that area?

They must be crazy!
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here ya go

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Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq
The goal of Republitards and imbecile sheep like PNACgay...

fascism in America.

PNACgay hates the Constitution and civil liberties, just like his Republican gods. Once we are in a complete fascist dictatorship with some brain-dead fucknut like Bush or McCain, PNACgay will finally be happy.

Terrorists are not a threat to the American way of life and the vision of the founding fathers... idiots like PNACgay are the real threat because an open-minded and independent thinking person is unacceptable to people with views as fucked up as his.


Ok PNACgay, you have made your point, you hate America and Americans; will finally just get the fuck out and go to China where you will be happier. True, its only a repressive Communist government and not a full police state under fascism, but I am sure that with the help of propaganda zombies like you, China can realize your dream.
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the USA is actually defeating itself in IRAQ.....take a look back at our invasion of Vietnam and you see the very same pattern.The USA is a MENTAL CASE and there is no doctor in the house!

Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker looked and spoke alot like Abbott and Costello...the two comedians....what a laugh.....both handpicked because they are brain dead waterboys for whatever meathead ideas Bush and Channey can cook up.

Who's on First?......if we were living in a real world, they both would have been marched out of that room, handcuffed and hang on freshly planted trees on the whitehouse lawn!
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well, my position is, if you are going to start a war, f*cking do it! they have been pussy footing around over there way to long
war is killing everything, man,woman, child, pets, everything, you turn the country into a meat grinder and don't stop
i am not sure what we are doing over there, but it isn't working

btw, since i feel that way, war is the LAST option
 Quoting: malu

Exactly how I feel.

War is war. If you half-ass it then you're the one with the problem.

I thought they learned that after Vietnam.
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We should not be in Iraq period, pac-punk. We were lead into an ILLEGAL and IMMORAL war by a bunch of lying NEOCUNT sons of bitches. Any argument about whether we can win (yeah maybe if we kill off three quarters of the Iraqi population, in other words-genocide) or lose is irrelevant. By now I figured most reasonably intelligent people would begin to understand that the "insurgents" you speak of are actually a legitimate Iraqi resistance to an illegal occupation. Got that pac-punk? As far as Al-Qaeda goes, watch the BBC documentary "The Politics of Fear" and actually learn something useful with that brainwashed and decrepit brain of yours....
 Quoting: pac-pimp 13730

...what he said.





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