Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq | |
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malu User ID: 401272 United States 04/11/2008 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq well, my position is, if you are going to start a war, f*cking do it! they have been pussy footing around over there way to long war is killing everything, man,woman, child, pets, everything, you turn the country into a meat grinder and don't stop i am not sure what we are doing over there, but it isn't working btw, since i feel that way, war is the LAST option "By way of deception, thou shalt do war." Israel's Mossad "The truth shall set you free." U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 366950 United States 04/11/2008 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq Matthew Yglesias is puzzled at the GOP's confidence over Iraq: The GOP, it seems, is not only convinced that we're "winning" in Iraq (though they can't define what this means) but they're sure they've found a winning issue in the war. Their confidence is a little hard to understand. Are the Republicans politically suicidal? I don't think so. The public can oppose you on a specific policy question but still favor you on the issue in general. Richard Nixon was fighting an unpopular war in 1972, but he still crushed George McGovern on foreign policy. Likewise, despite the unpopularity of the Iraq war, John McCain's general hawkishness might still be an asset for him. A Democracy Corps poll, highlighted by Ed Kilgore, suggests exactly that. When presented with the choice of a generic Democrat or Republican, voters strongly prefer a Democrat. But when asked to choose between John McCain and either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, they side with McCain. Democracy Corps calls this swing group -- generically pro-Democrat, actually pro-McCain -- "wanna-D's." (Yes, it's an annoying phrase.) One factor in the Wanna-D's support for McCain is that just over half of them believe that he'd "mostly bring a different approach than President Bush" on foreign policy. So tying McCain to Bush is important. But Kilgore identifies what seems to be the crucial factor: by a startling 33 percentage points, the "Wanna-Ds" say they worry more that Clinton or Obama will be too reluctant to use military force abroad, than McCain being too willing to use military force abroad. Given the wording here, the question is about as clear an indicator of which party's candidates control the "center" on national security as you are going to find. So there you have it. Iraq may not be popular, but the general perception (which isnot the same thing as reality) that they're willing to fight the bad guys remains a key positive for the GOP brand. Am I saying the Democrats need to try to mimic Republican positions in order to win? Not at all. A creative approach is needed, and Obama's combination of dovishness on iraq and hawkishness on al Qaeda in Pakistan strikes me as probably the best approach. But I am saying that the challenge is steep, liberals are far too confident about the political terrain, and Republicans are far from crazy to stick with Bush on Iraq. :mccainpilo: OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
pac-pimp User ID: 13730 United States 04/11/2008 01:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq We should not be in Iraq period, pac-punk. We were lead into an ILLEGAL and IMMORAL war by a bunch of lying NEOCUNT sons of bitches. Any argument about whether we can win (yeah maybe if we kill off three quarters of the Iraqi population, in other words-genocide) or lose is irrelevant. By now I figured most reasonably intelligent people would begin to understand that the "insurgents" you speak of are actually a legitimate Iraqi resistance to an illegal occupation. Got that pac-punk? As far as Al-Qaeda goes, watch the BBC documentary "The Politics of Fear" and actually learn something useful with that brainwashed and decrepit brain of yours.... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 413410 United States 04/11/2008 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq Yeah, we need to totally wipe out all the muslim slime in the world. To do that we need to draft everybody who can see to shoot a gun and send them to Iraq. PAc is ready to volunteer right now. Got your bag packed? You do know how to shhot a gun don't you? Or are you just all hat and no cattle? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 357422 United States 04/11/2008 02:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq They must be crazy! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 388036 United States 04/11/2008 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq The goal of Republitards and imbecile sheep like PNACgay... fascism in America. PNACgay hates the Constitution and civil liberties, just like his Republican gods. Once we are in a complete fascist dictatorship with some brain-dead fucknut like Bush or McCain, PNACgay will finally be happy. Terrorists are not a threat to the American way of life and the vision of the founding fathers... idiots like PNACgay are the real threat because an open-minded and independent thinking person is unacceptable to people with views as fucked up as his. Ok PNACgay, you have made your point, you hate America and Americans; will finally just get the fuck out and go to China where you will be happier. True, its only a repressive Communist government and not a full police state under fascism, but I am sure that with the help of propaganda zombies like you, China can realize your dream. |
all_the_kings_horses User ID: 144735 Canada 04/11/2008 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq Gen. David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker looked and spoke alot like Abbott and Costello...the two comedians....what a laugh.....both handpicked because they are brain dead waterboys for whatever meathead ideas Bush and Channey can cook up. Who's on First?......if we were living in a real world, they both would have been marched out of that room, handcuffed and hang on freshly planted trees on the whitehouse lawn! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 380553 United States 04/11/2008 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq well, my position is, if you are going to start a war, f*cking do it! they have been pussy footing around over there way to long Quoting: maluwar is killing everything, man,woman, child, pets, everything, you turn the country into a meat grinder and don't stop i am not sure what we are doing over there, but it isn't working btw, since i feel that way, war is the LAST option Exactly how I feel. War is war. If you half-ass it then you're the one with the problem. I thought they learned that after Vietnam. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 191036 United States 04/11/2008 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Goals of Congressional Dems, al Sadr insurgents & al Qaeda are the same ~ The Defeat of the USA in Iraq We should not be in Iraq period, pac-punk. We were lead into an ILLEGAL and IMMORAL war by a bunch of lying NEOCUNT sons of bitches. Any argument about whether we can win (yeah maybe if we kill off three quarters of the Iraqi population, in other words-genocide) or lose is irrelevant. By now I figured most reasonably intelligent people would begin to understand that the "insurgents" you speak of are actually a legitimate Iraqi resistance to an illegal occupation. Got that pac-punk? As far as Al-Qaeda goes, watch the BBC documentary "The Politics of Fear" and actually learn something useful with that brainwashed and decrepit brain of yours.... Quoting: pac-pimp 13730...what he said. |