April 17th Theory

anyone who purpoirts to pinpoint a date is wrong, not because I say so, but because the Bible says so--

MATTHEW 24:36
36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

So when a guy says "It's April 17!" you know for sure that he is a false prophet becaue only God knows the day and hour.

Worldwide earthquake...

Thw worldwide earthquake comes much later. The start of the Great Tribulation is the signing of the Confirmation of the Covenant (likely to be in May, known as the Annapolis Treaty and is being discussed now).

Wikipedia list of happenings in the Tribulation, in order

First 3 1/2 Years:
· 1. The Rapture takes place.
· 2. The Rise of Antichrist and the False Prophet.
· 3. The Third Temple is rebuilt in Jerusalem.
· 4. The Rise of Babylon.
· 5. The Rise of the false one-world religion.
· 6. The appearance of the two witnesses and the rise of the 144,000 Jewish evangelists.
· 7. The Seven Seal Judgments.
· 8. The Seven Trumpet Judgments.
Midpoint:
· 9. Death and Resurrection of the Two Witnesses.
· 10. Destruction of the One World Church.
· 11. The death and resurrection of Antichrist.
· 12. Antichrist defiles the temple and proclaims himself God.
· 13. The Mark of the Beast begins.
· 14. The Jewish Remnant flees to the desert.
Second 3 1/2 Years:
· 15. 7 Bowl Judgments
· 16. Martyrdom of Jews and Believers
· 17. Babylon is destroyed
· 18. Antichrist summons the world's armies to Armageddon
· 19. Battle of Armageddon
· 21. Return of Jesus Christ in Glory
· 22. Antichrist and the False Prophet are thrown into the Lake of Fire
· 23. Satan is bound for 1,000 years
· 24. Resurrection of Tribulation martyrs
End of the 7-year Tribulation.
· 25. Christ establishes His 1,000 kingdom.
· 26. Satan is released after 1,000 years. (His name will start with a C and End with an X.)
· 27. Final Battle.
· 28. Satan, Death, and Hell are cast into the Lake of Fire.
· 29. Great White Throne Judgment (Final Judgment).
· 30. New heaven and earth. Eternity begins.
[edit] Seven seals
· 1st Seal (Rev. 6:1-2): The White Horse of the Apocalypse. When he comes, he is given a crown and he goes out bent on conquest. This represents the Antichrist's rise to power through diplomacy.
· 2nd Seal (Rev. 6:3-4): When the Red Horse comes he is given a large sword and he takes peace from the world, causing men to kill each other. The Antichrist reveals his true war-like self, and a world war erupts.
· 3rd Seal (Rev. 6:5-6): When the Black Horse comes he causes severe famine possibly resulting from the war.
· 4th Seal (Rev. 6:7-8): The Pale Horse causes pestilence and death from the sword, famine, plague and wild beasts and Hades follow it. 1/4 of the world's population die from the horsemen.
· 5th Seal (Rev. 6:9-11): Martyrs begin dying during the Tribulation (The Antichrist begins his persecution of believers).
· 6th Seal (Rev. 6:12-17):
o Worldwide earthquake;
o The sun ceases to shine visible light and changes from a granular to a woven, textured image;
o The image of the moon resembles blood;
o The stars of the heaven fall to earth;
o The sky rolls up;
o Every mountain and island are dislodged;
o The entire world population flees to caves, dens, and cliffs; and
o The world population interprets the Sixth Seal events as signs for the beginning of the wrath of the Lamb (the Day of Wrath).
· 7th Seal (Rev. 8:1-6): Silence in Heaven,seven angels given seven trumpets, followed by fire being hurled to the Earth.
[edit] Seven trumpets
The sounding of the trumpets in Chapter 8 of Revelation, breaks the silence following the previous cycle of visions. Each trumpet blast brings with it a plague of a more disastrous nature than the one before it. The trumpet is used to build anticipation and tells the reader that an alert, announcement, or warning is about to take place[1].
· After the first trumpet sounds:Hail, fire, and blood fall upon the earth, burning one-third of the earth, trees, and grass. This is a plague similar to the hailstorm described in the book of Exodus, with the exception of the blood. Most Christians believe that it will be supernatural.
· Following the second trumpet blast: Something like a burning mountain plummets into the sea, and one-third of the ships will sink and one-third of all the fish will die. It is believed that it will be a localized, non-extinction-level event. Though most believe in an ocean strike causing a great tsunami that sweeps over entire cities, many scholars argue that the sea referred to here is actually the Mediterranean Sea, in which case the event would mostly affect those nations surrounding that body of water.
· At the sound of the third trumpet: A star called Wormwood falls onto the Earth poisoning the freshwater sources such as streams and rivers. This is interpreted by some to be a comet that falls but disintegrates before striking; the remains of which fall on the rivers and lakes, thus poisoning the waters. It is believed by some that believers will be spared.
· Following the fourth trumpet: Sun, stars and moon are darkened by one-third.
· After the fifth trumpet blows: Plague of indestructible locusts led by Apollyon, Chief Demon of the Abyss ravage the wicked forces of the Antichrist, inflicting endless pain. Many will try to kill themselves from the pain, but "death will flee from them". There is mention that believers will be sealed by God first, and the locusts will not attack them upon seeing God's seal on them.
· At the sound of the sixth trumpet: Over 200 million horsemen kill one-third of wicked left on Earth with massive strikes, fire, and smoke. Some believe that these are demonic beings sent to destroy the most rebellious of the unbelievers. Others believe it could be a massive military force.
The first six trumpets are used to serve as a wake up call to the sinners on Earth and a call to repentance. The seventh trumpet does not bring a plague with it. It is sounded as glory is being given to God and His kingdom is announced[1].
[edit] Seven thunders
· Revelation 10:3 And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
· Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
Revelation 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Revelation 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
The seven thunders in Revelation 10 are a mystery of God until the seventh angel actually sounds.
[edit] Seven vial (bowl) judgments
· Noisome and grievous sores (possibly boils or carbuncles) on the worshipers of the Beast (These sores only affect those bearing the mark of the beast, who worship his image.)
· Sea turns to blood
· Rivers turn to blood
· Sun burns with intense heat and scorches people (This is an intense heat plague, that it is believed will also affect mostly those with the mark.)
· Antichrist's kingdom is plunged into darkness (It is not clear if it means all the earth, or only the Antichrist's capital. New Babylon, the city many believe will be this capital, is a likely place, but cities such as Rome and Jerusalem have also been proposed. This is a darkness reminiscent to the one described in the book of Exodus. It is so thick and deep that it causes literal pain. People writhe and gnash their teeth from the pain which is worsened by the sores that they still have from the first plague.)
· Euphrates River dries up and is prepared for battle from the armies from the east (To clarify, the river dries up to facilitate the crossing of the armies from the east, on their way to Israel for the battle of Armageddon.)
· Worldwide earthquake leveling every mountain into the sea followed by huge hailstones and lightning. (This could also be simultaneous earthquakes of great magnitude throughout the world. The earth's geography and topography will be altered forever, as every mountain and hill will be leveled, and every island will either move or disappear. The earthquakes are accompanied by huge 50-lb hailstones.)
(Note: Some believe that the seals and trumpets will occur during the first half of the tribulation. The vial judgments will occur during the second half, as the first one refers to those with the mark of the beast. The mark will not be implemented until the Antichrist dies and resurrects, and then defiles the Temple; and this will happen at precisely the mid-point of the tribulation. Thus, the vial judgments will be more severe, and will last longer than any of the previous ones.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

That is the DAY or the HOUR of when Christ comes back. Notice, it doesn't say YEAR!

Oh, you are one of those pre-tribbers!!!! :)

actually there are some places in the bible that insinuate one can cipher the date, in daniel, also in revelation, it says if you dont watch you wont know what HOUR i will come on thee, sounds to me like people are expected to try and figure out the hour...ah, but most don't like to even look at revelation, much less study on it.
still, i have found from long and hard experience, to try and pinpoint it and then tell others is an exercise in humilation and frustration. it "looks like" alot, but never is. add that to the important fact in revelation that says the apostles lied, one is walkin up a slippery slope to try and know.

not necessarily. I go back and forth, there is as much scripture for both and I can't settle a clear path on that opinion. I suspect it might be post trib but I hope not!

No one knows the day or hour. No one. Not your guy. Not Jesus when He was on earth, no one.

Be ready for the flight

My father said be ready the flight might leave at noon
Or it could be at midnight ether way it will be soon.
Get your things in order; tell your friends that it looks grim
That they can come along to if they can just ask him

Passengers be ready the flight is boarding soon
Don’t be left behind in this world of ruin
There can you hear it the sound of the wings
What a beautiful feeling this departure brings.

Ask their friends and family even a stranger on the street
There is no one I won’t welcome, no one I will not meet.
Tell them to be ready, just to open up the door
That I will be there knocking like IV never knocked before

Passengers be ready the flight is boarding soon
Don’t be left behind in this world of ruin
There can you hear it the sound of the wings
What a beautiful feeling this departure brings.

I just didn’t listen or I did not want to hear
That the time for leaving was somehow drawing near
I said Ill be ready later. I can just catch another flight.
Maybe noon on Monday or latter Sunday night


Passengers be ready the flight is boarding soon
Don’t be left behind in this world of ruin
There can you hear it the sound of the wings
What a beautiful feeling this departure brings.


Feeling lost I stair in wonder, at the emptiness of the sky.
How could I have done this? Let the chance pass on by.
My friends ask, what just happened? I knew I could not lie
For they to had seen it, in just a twinkling of and eye.

Passengers be ready the flight is boarding soon
Don’t be left behind in this world of ruin
There can you hear it the sound of the wings
What a beautiful feeling this departure brings.

Just like the father promised like a thief in the night
No one knew what hour, just be ready for the flight
Now we all are kneeling stammering in our preys
For we are well aware, this is the end of days.


PASSENGERS BE READY THE FLIGHT IS BOARDING SOON………………

:bsbana2:

I liked your first sentences, that was well said.

Can you please point me to where it says the Apostles lied? This is of concern to me.

I believe you are right about the hour and the day, but I do believe we will know the year or the month if you really want to study it! :) That is when Christ returns.

Usually the term " not knowing the day nor the hour" is commonly interpeted incorrectly. Our Lord Jesus Christ knew when he spoke of it, he also told you when it would be. "watch for signs" etc.
Also,I could say it will be April 17th 2008 or any date such as I "guess the second coming will be may 24th 2012. I am only guessing, or intuition. I do not know as a fact. That is the difference. Anyone can guess and anyone can be correct.
Just like the lottery, No one knows what six numbers will be drawn but they guess, and alot of people are correct. Some try to make "educated " guesses by looking at statistics, etc.

true!

I'd believe only a theory that has nothing in relation to the bible or "god."

The "end of days" depends more on realistic occurrences such as political, environmental, and wars.

Actually i think that statistically is possible people to know the exact date. I mean, bible sais noone will know it but what if someone predict a date, without knowing, and coincidently this is the right date? And what if there are so much predictions that it`s impossible to happen when noone will suspect.
I say 17th could be significant, and of course could be not.

The good news is that you probably are. At last count there have been seventeen point nine bazillion "predictions" and they've all been bogus. My guess is that this Weinland bozo is just another hoaxer or else deluded. I wouldn't worry about Wednesday or anything.

I hope you are very right Duncan and will virtually give you a big huge hug and a kiss on your forehead if you are. lol :)