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6/14/2008 7:16 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Response to 5+1 proposal depends on their response to Iran’s package: FM.
Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mottaki said on Saturday that Tehran’s response to the package presented by the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany about Iran’s nuclear program depends on the 5+1 group’s response to Tehran’s package of proposals.
EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana on Saturday presented a new package of proposals to Iran with the aim of ending a six-year nuclear standoff between Tehran and the West.
“We are waiting for the 5+1 group’s clear response to Iran’s package. Surely Iran’s response to the 5+1 package depends on a logical and constructive response to Iran’s package,” Mottaki said in a meeting with Solana.
Iran’s diplomatic proposals, which were recently sent out to various world leaders and international organizations, cover various political, security, economic, and nuclear issues, and call for regional and international cooperation, he explained.
A realistic approach to Iran’s proposals can pave the way for constructive talks, and the package should be studied based on mutual respect, justice, and international treaties, he added.
Iran will never relinquish its inalienable rights but has always made it clear that it is also ready to negotiate, he noted.
World powers recognize Iran’s right to nuclear technology
Solana stated that he has found many similarities between the Islamic Republic’s proposals and the 5+1 group’s offer and this can be used to prepare the ground for negotiations.
“We ask Iran to comprehensively study the (5+1) package,” the top EU diplomat said after delivering the proposals to Mottaki.
He also emphasized, “We completely recognize the Islamic Republic of Iran’s right to peaceful nuclear technology.”
Solana on Saturday presented an updated package of incentives provided by the five permanent members of the UN Security Council and Germany to Iranian Foreign Minister Manuchehr Mottaki in a bid to end Iran’s prolonged nuclear standoff with the West.
“We fully recognize Iran’s right to nuclear energy for peaceful purposes,” Solana told reporters at a press conference, adding, “We want to have a fully normalized relationship in all the fields, in particular the nuclear field.”
The EU foreign policy chief expressed hope that the 5+1 group’s new offer of incentives would provide the ground for “real talks” with the Islamic Republic.
The package of incentives expresses the six powers’ readiness to develop cooperation with Iran in producing nuclear energy and managing nuclear waste, Solana stated.
The EU envoy said he also submitted a letter from the 5+1 group to the Iranian foreign minister.
He described Iran as a “very important and civilized country which plays a very important role in the international arena.”
Solana said the offer, which he described as “generous”, would support Iran in developing a modern nuclear energy program and also covered political and economic ties.
He said the six world powers behind the package want Iran to suspend uranium enrichment activity during the negotiations on the proposal.
“It is an offer that is going to be considered (by Iran) and we are waiting for the answer that they hope will be soon.”
Asked if the suspension of uranium enrichment is a condition for discussion of the proposal, he said, “I do not have to repeat the condition required for Iran to enter full negotiation…
“We continue to ask for a suspension during the time of negotiations and we will see the outcome of negotiations. The negotiations will take months.”
“The fact that we are here together in Iran today shows how seriously we regard the problem… I think we are in front of a win-win situation.”
He went on to say that he hoped the package would be a starting point for negotiations.
Iranian officials and Solana still agreed in meetings in Tehran to resume efforts to find a diplomatic solution to the standoff, Iranian sources said.
“A new diplomatic path has been opened… this will be a basis for fresh nuclear talks,” said an Iranian official, who declined to be named. A European diplomat said, “Both sides agreed to remain in contact and continue working.”
Solana also rejected allegations that he does not have full authority to make decisions in negotiations with Iran and that the 5+1 group does not respect the 2006 deal he signed with former nuclear negotiator Ali Larijani.
“I have full capacity to reach a deal with Iran and I am the representative of the 27-nation European Union,” Solana asserted.
Iran, EU proposals can open door to diplomacy: Solana
Iran’s top nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, said on Saturday that Tehran’s package of proposals together with the world powers’ package can pave the way for talks on establishing peace and security in the world.
“The common points of Iran’s package and the 5+1 group’s can open a new path of package diplomacy,” Jalili said in a meeting with Solana.
“The Islamic Republic will make every effort to address the world’s concerns about various issues,” he stated.
Solana said, “The six countries have carefully studied Iran’s package and attach great importance to its proposals.”
“The major powers welcome Iran’s important proposals. They have no doubt about starting negotiations and want to swiftly resume talks over the common points accepted by the two sides.
[link to www.tehrantimes.com] |
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6/14/2008 9:20 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
PM aides: Direct talks with Syria possible soon.
Israel and Syria will soon be able to hold direct talks, according to aides of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert involved in the two countries' indirect negotiations.
[link to www.haaretz.com] |
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6/14/2008 9:21 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
the world is a Vampire. Waiting to Drain. |
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6/14/2008 9:22 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Syria asked to open Lebanon Embassy.
France and the United States, in a joint statement, have called on Syria to ' establish full diplomatic relations' with Lebanon.
[link to www.presstv.ir] |
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6/14/2008 9:23 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The official NO WAR thread 2008.
The year is half over and guess what, no war. Go figure. |
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6/15/2008 10:39 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Hamas officials in Egypt to discuss possible truce with Israel.
Top Hamas leaders opened discussions Sunday with Egypt's chief of intelligence to work out a truce between the militant group and Israel, officials said.
On Thursday, Israeli negotiator Amos Gilad was in Egypt to convey his country's position on the latest Egyptian proposal in talks that have dragged on for months.
[link to www.iht.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/15/2008 10:42 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
The year is half over and guess what, no war. Go figure.
It's not over. There's a 75% chance that Bush will attack Iran before the end of the year. |
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6/15/2008 10:43 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Olmert OKs swap deal with Hizbullah
Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has concluded that his country should make a swap deal with Hizbullah, a senior government official confirmed on Sunday, according to Haaretz daily.
The Israeli report comes after the Lebanese newspaper a-Diar on Thursday reported that Lebanon's senior detainee Samir Kintar has been told to pack up his belongings and prepare to return to Beirut in the near future, possibly by the end of the month. Israel had hoped Kintar would be a bargaining chip to get information from Hizbullah about the fate of missing Israeli navigator Ron Arad captured in Lebanon in 1986.
[link to www.albawaba.com] |
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6/16/2008 5:21 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Israeli envoys propose Olmert meet Syria's Assad.
Israeli envoys holding a new round of indirect peace talks with Syrian counterparts in Turkey will propose that the two leaders meet at a Paris conference next month, Israeli political sources said on Monday.
[link to ca.reuters.com] |
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6/16/2008 5:25 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Egyptian intelligence chief meets Hamas delegation on Gaza truce.
Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman held talks on Sunday with a visiting Hamas delegation on a possible truce deal between Palestinian militants groups and Israel.
[link to english.people.com.cn] |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/16/2008 9:23 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Military Man - I think this 2008 Israel war is a little over hyped. Hard to see any major confrontation anytime soon. Looks like we are going to see in the near future DIRECT talks bwtn Syria and Israel. Reports today that a cease fire bwtn Israel and Hamas is a done deal. Also reports today that Hezbollah and Israel have come to terms on a prisoner swap (looks like Regev and Goldwasser are alive). There is even talk about Israel unilaterally withdrawing from Shebba Farms.
The only fly in the ointment is Iran . . . which has ALOT of influence on Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas. So if Iran were really looking to stick it to Israel, why give the nod of approval to Syria, Hezbollah and Hamas to make nicey nice with Israel??? |
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6/16/2008 9:58 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Iran's 'dance' of nuclear packages.
"Our proposed package and yours contain common points and we are in Tehran today due to these commonalities," Javier Solana, the European Union's foreign policy chief visiting Iran as the head of an "Iran Six" delegation to submit the group's latest "incentive package" geared to soliciting Iran's nuclear cooperation, stated at his first press conference in Tehran on Sunday.
Much, then, depends on the ability of both sides to get past divisive issues and expand on these "suitable commonalities" for the sake of what Solana has termed a "win-win" negotiation. (The "Iran Six" consists of the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council - the United States, Britain, France, Russia and China, plus Germany.)
[link to www.atimes.com] |
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6/16/2008 10:03 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Iraq takes a turn towards Tehran.
A popular Iraqi joke speaks of an aged man who marries a young girl many years his junior, called Mana. Whenever he visits his young bride, she complains that his long beard has become too white, and plucks out its white hair. The next day, he visits his first wife Hana, who is his age, and she complains that the remaining black hairs do not compliment him, plucking them out as well. He eventually ends up with no beard, and miserably speaks to himself in front of the mirror saying, "Between Hana and Mana, I lost my beard!"
The moral of the story - which rhymes in Arabic - is that men cannot please all tastes, nor two wives. Iraqis today are using the story in reference to their Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, who is torn between appeasing the United States, which brought him to power and kept him there despite all odds, since 2006, and pleasing his patrons and co-religionaries in Tehran.
The Americans tell him to sign a long-term agreement between with the US, maintaining 50 permanent American military bases in Iraq. The Iranians angrily order him not to, claiming this would be a direct security threat to the region as a whole, and Iran in particular. The Americans reportedly are pressing to finalize the deal by July 30, 2008, upset that no progress has been made since talks started in February. Iran has carried out a massive public relations campaign against the deal, calling on all Shi'ites in Iraq to drown it.
[link to www.atimes.com] |
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6/16/2008 1:51 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Abbas expects Gaza truce within days.
Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas expects Israel and Hamas to reach a truce in and around the Gaza Strip within days, his spokesman said.
"President Abbas today and yesterday had a series of telephone conversations with the Egyptian leadership to support Egypt's efforts for a truce," spokesman Nabil Abu Rudeina said.
"During the talks, he expressed hope a truce agreement would be reached in the next days."
Mr Abbas asked Israel to reopen border crossings with the impoverished territory as part of a truce agreement, the spokesman said.
A delegation from Hamas, the Islamist movement which rules Gaza, was to give its final response to a ceasefire proposal to Egyptian mediators on Monday, Egypt's official MENA news agency reported.
On Sunday, Egypt's intelligence chief Omar Suleiman, who heads the mediation efforts briefed the Islamists on Israel's response to the proposals.
[link to www.abc.net.au] |
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6/16/2008 1:53 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Turkey says Israel-Syria talks were "positive"
Turkish Foreign Minister said Monday the second round of indirect peace talks between Israel and Syria convened in positive and constructive atmosphere, as the sides decided to meet again.
[link to www.hurriyet.com.tr] |
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6/16/2008 1:55 PM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Rice Stops in Lebanon After Israel Rejects Criticism.
U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice left Israel and made a surprise stop in Lebanon after Prime Minister Ehud Olmert rejected her criticism of plans to build thousands of new homes in east Jerusalem.
Rice left Ben-Gurion International Airport outside Tel Aviv shortly before noon and made a previously unannounced visit to Beirut, where she met Lebanon's new President, Michel Suleiman, and Prime Minister Fuad Siniora, the Associated Press reported.
[link to www.bloomberg.com] |
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6/18/2008 3:49 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Israel Agrees to Truce With Hamas in Gaza.
Israel has agreed to an Egyptian-brokered cease-fire with Hamas for the Gaza area starting Thursday, Israel Radio reported on Wednesday.
[link to www.nytimes.com] |
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6/18/2008 3:52 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
More indirect Israel, Syria talks in July - Turkey.
Israel and Syria agreed this week to hold new rounds of indirect peace talks mediated by Turkey in July, Turkey's foreign minister said on Tuesday.
Israel and Syria concluded a second round of indirect peace talks on Monday and agreed to continue the negotiations, though not face-to-face for now, officials said.
[link to uk.reuters.com] |
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6/18/2008 3:55 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
U.S. pushes for Israel-Lebanon peace talks, deal on Shaba.
The United States has begun mediating between Israel and Lebanon in an effort to resolve their dispute over Shaba Farms in the hope they would then start peace talks.
U.S. President George Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice informed Prime Minister Ehud Olmert of this during his visit to Washington two weeks ago, and Rice repeated it during her visit here earlier this week. According to a senior Israeli official, Rice gave Lebanon a message from Olmert on this issue on Monday.
[link to www.haaretz.com] |
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6/18/2008 3:59 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
NYT Exposes Fraud of "Generous Offer" to Iran.
On Sunday, the New York Times reported that President Bush "accused" Iran of rejecting a new set of incentives to stop enriching uranium. "I am disappointed that the leaders rejected this generous offer out of hand," Bush said.
Of course, Iran didn't reject it "out of hand," as the article goes on to explain:
Tehran did not formally reject the offer... Mr. Mottaki [Iran's Foreign Minister] said that Iran's response would depend on how the West responded to Iran's May 13 proposal calling for international talks on all issues and improved international inspection of Iran's nuclear facilities.
[link to news.yahoo.com] |
| Anonymous Coward
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6/18/2008 6:42 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Military man or Mossad agent's wife where is the war? I am seeing more and more signs of peace each day. Can you guys give any updated info on what is happening or may be about to happen???? |
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6/18/2008 6:44 AM
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The official NO WAR thread 2008.
The year is half over and guess what, no war. Go figure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 446343
Precisely!
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PHI is the direct result and first Ratio produced by this arrangement as it Cycles."
Junglelord, www.thunderbolts.info |
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6/18/2008 9:21 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Egypt temporarily reopens Rafah crossing ahead of Gaza truce.
Egypt on Wednesday temporarily reopened the Rafah crossing on the border with the Gaza Strip to allow stranded Palestinians at the Egyptian side to return to the Hamas-controlled enclave.
[link to news.xinhuanet.com] |
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6/18/2008 9:23 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Syria 'backs' Hamas-Israel truce.
Syria said Wednesday it supported a truce between Hamas and Israel, calling on the Jewish state to lift its blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"We support this agreement. We support the lifting of the boycott of Gaza, and we hope and we are waiting to see whether the Israelis are going to fulfil their part of this truce," Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said.
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6/18/2008 9:25 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Syria: Peace with Israel will be 'bliss'.
Syria said Wednesday it supported a truce between Hamas and Israel, calling on the Jewish state to lift its blockade of the Gaza Strip.
"We support this agreement. We support the lifting of the boycott of Gaza, and we hope and we are waiting to see whether the Israelis are going to fulfil their part of this truce," Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem said.
[link to www.jpost.com] |
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6/18/2008 9:28 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Israel Agrees to Truce With Hamas, Eyes Lebanon Talks
"We currently are conducting negotiations with Syria and the Palestinians and there's no logical reason whatsoever why Israel and Lebanon should not be talking," Mark Regev, a spokesman for Olmert, said today in a telephone interview from his car.
[link to www.bloomberg.com] |
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6/20/2008 12:38 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Olmert 'prepared to dramatically compromise' on territory.
The Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert insists his Government's peace talks with the Palestinian Authority are making progress.
Mr Olmert says serious progress has been achieved on issues including the borders of a future Palestinian state.
Earlier today, a ceasefire came into effect between Israel and the Palestinian Hamas movement.
Mr Olmert says Israel is prepared to compromise dramatically on territorial issues.
"The time has come for us and for them to reach an understanding based on a compromise, and a compromise is always a two-way process," he said.
"They have to compromise and we have to compromise.
"I'm telling you now, I am prepared to compromise on territorial issues dramatically.
"They will also have to compromise on territorial issues. It's not a one-way process."
[link to www.abc.net.au] |
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6/20/2008 12:39 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Assad circumspect on Olmert meeting.
Bashar Assad and Ehud Olmert may meet at a Paris conference next month.
[link to www.jta.org] |
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6/20/2008 12:41 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Lebanon skeptical of PM's call for talks.
Lebanon appears to be paying little attention to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's calls this week to discuss the issue of Mount Dov (Shaba Farms) in direct negotiations.
[link to www.jpost.com] |
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6/20/2008 12:43 AM | | Re: War Thread - The Official Israel v. Syria, Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas War Thread 2008. | Quote |
Iran's Foreign Minister Says Iran Ready to Negotiate Nuclear Incentives.
Iran says it is ready to negotiate a new international package of incentives aimed at persuading Tehran to halt its disputed nuclear program.
Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs Manouchehr Mottaki answers questions during a press conference at the Iranian Ambassador's residence in Kampala, Uganda, 19 Jun 2008
Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki during a visit to Uganda Thursday said the package put forward by six major world powers is currently under consideration. He said Iran has informed the six nations, Russia, China, France, Germany, Britain and the United States, of its readiness to negotiate, and will respond to the package at "an appropriate time."
[link to www.voanews.com] |
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